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Age of Empires 2 >>>> Starcraft 2

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  • IzkimarIzkimar Member UncommonPosts: 568

    AoE 2 casual gameplay, SC2 extremely competitive?! Wth are you talking about man?!  AoE was extremely competitive, and you guys saying SC2 was more successful, why don't you take  loot and see who sold more games overall?  Dude I'm sorry if I offend some of you AoE players, but if you at least had an 1800 rating on the Zone you weren't worried about making a pretty base.  You had to know which units to make when, you had to use all kinds of flanking strategies, building secret bases, clearing paths through forests, I mean there is sooooo many elements that outnumber the pure speedplay of SC.  And, you say AoE isn't fast????  Ummm, if I recall right in AoE 2 AoC there was something called a rush.  You roll with the Huns or the Goths, and if you know how to play them and you play your cards right you can end the match in 5 mins.  Also, you're really gonna compare social networks with a came that was released in 1999, and with an expansion in 2000?!  The Zone was actually a great place for gameplay.  Dude, lol you must not remember the zone correctly but there would be over 10,000 people playing easy it was greatness haha.  Anyways, yes SC had a better campaign story mode, but that's because AoE was actually about multiplayer competitiveness and not the campaign.  It was more than APM, it took a ton of strategy, hell if you think that SC2 takes more strategy than AoE, hop on AoE3 and you won't know what to do.  Oh yeah, about competitiveness there used to be tourneys right on the zone every couple of months with prizes that were as high as $10,000 for first place, and this was frequent right in the players grasp you didn't have to travel for these tourneys.  I find that highly competitive, rating was everything back then except for people with mods.

  • IzkimarIzkimar Member UncommonPosts: 568

    Originally posted by Hrothmund

    Originally posted by Reizlanzer

    Originally posted by awia

    Originally posted by KingKong007

    SC2 = Science Fiction.

    AoE2 = Medieval.

    While I liked the medieval setting of AoE2, objectively there is more gaming value in SC2.

    SC2 has the better story telling and campaign setting. At times I felt more playing in a small rpg world than the ST MMO. (sadly this is not even a joke).

    SC2 has more multiplayer options through the BattleNet services.

    SC2 has more pure PvP adrenaline and superior matchmaking.

    SC2 will have a much longer life span (due to numurous factors: BattleNet - more campaigns to come - matchmaking - intergame chats - ...). It will be hot for the next 8 to 10 years.

    I do like the historical setting of AoE2, but on pure game mechanics you have to be honest. AoE2 is not even comparable these days.

    what game mechanics? spamming carriers for an insta win game?

    Spamming carriers? Who the hell outside of the bronze league or 2v2+ does that?

    Even then, Mass Hydralisks eat carriers - Mass Marines eat carriers - Mass Stalker eat carriers.

     

    AoE2 is a great game, I am not even going to get into that discussion.

    But why the hell are you even bringing up your opinion in a public forum on what YOU think is better? Some people are going to agree, some people are going to disagree and every once in a while you'll get a guy that is enraged about your opinion making your troll a successful one.

    Here, I'll end it here - If you want casual and fun RTS gameplay, play AoE2. If you want extremely competitive and fun gameplay, play SC2.

    Opinion, opinion, opinion.

    Exactly, SC2 is a different beast and a great game, and definitely more refined than any of the AoE games in terms of balance and polish.

     You must not have played AoE, because you could beat any civ with any civ, the balance was perfect.  Also, to the other dude why do you think AoE3 is bad, I actually enjoyed it.  I think the whole element of bringing in the deck and such was pretty awesome, and its as strategic as ever.  But I do miss AoE 2 none the less.  To the op what about the days in RoR with Wonder Wars, or in AoC2 when you played a match where everyone was on a team but had open diplomacy and somebody could turn on you any moment.  Man those were the days.

  • adam_noxadam_nox Member UncommonPosts: 2,148

    cnc: generals >>>> SC2 >>>> everything else

  • Thomas2006Thomas2006 Member RarePosts: 1,152

    Originally posted by WardTheGreat

    AoE 2 casual gameplay, SC2 extremely competitive?! Wth are you talking about man?!  AoE was extremely competitive, and you guys saying SC2 was more successful, why don't you take  loot and see who sold more games overall?  Dude I'm sorry if I offend some of you AoE players, but if you at least had an 1800 rating on the Zone you weren't worried about making a pretty base.  You had to know which units to make when, you had to use all kinds of flanking strategies, building secret bases, clearing paths through forests, I mean there is sooooo many elements that outnumber the pure speedplay of SC.  And, you say AoE isn't fast????  Ummm, if I recall right in AoE 2 AoC there was something called a rush.  You roll with the Huns or the Goths, and if you know how to play them and you play your cards right you can end the match in 5 mins.  Also, you're really gonna compare social networks with a came that was released in 1999, and with an expansion in 2000?!  The Zone was actually a great place for gameplay.  Dude, lol you must not remember the zone correctly but there would be over 10,000 people playing easy it was greatness haha.  Anyways, yes SC had a better campaign story mode, but that's because AoE was actually about multiplayer competitiveness and not the campaign.  It was more than APM, it took a ton of strategy, hell if you think that SC2 takes more strategy than AoE, hop on AoE3 and you won't know what to do.  Oh yeah, about competitiveness there used to be tourneys right on the zone every couple of months with prizes that were as high as $10,000 for first place, and this was frequent right in the players grasp you didn't have to travel for these tourneys.  I find that highly competitive, rating was everything back then except for people with mods.

     

    Last I checked SC has sold over 22 Million copies world wide.  So lets not even go there. And comparing SC2 that just released to AOE that has been out for some time.  SC2 sold 1.4 million boxs within 48 hours of its launch. I imagine its already past the 4 million mark in sales.  So yeah if you want to toss sells out there and stuff then Starcraft across the board has beat AOE and its sequals hands down.

    As far as competitive gameplay goes. SC1 has had that locked up in the RTS market from day one. The games remained a top RTS seller for over 8 years and IS the RTS competitive game. In Korean theres been yearly tournaments that bring in people from around the wold where $100k+ is given out each year.

    As far as SC2 goes we have yet to see what blizzard is going to offer up, but they have said they are interested in expanding upon the league system(s) used in the game and that could lead to some fairly crazy world wide tournaments where money is given out just like in the WoW Arena system.

  • Frostbite05Frostbite05 Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,880

    AoE is a great game series but its still no where near the level of SC2.

  • IzkimarIzkimar Member UncommonPosts: 568

    Originally posted by Thomas2006

    Originally posted by WardTheGreat

    AoE 2 casual gameplay, SC2 extremely competitive?! Wth are you talking about man?!  AoE was extremely competitive, and you guys saying SC2 was more successful, why don't you take  loot and see who sold more games overall?  Dude I'm sorry if I offend some of you AoE players, but if you at least had an 1800 rating on the Zone you weren't worried about making a pretty base.  You had to know which units to make when, you had to use all kinds of flanking strategies, building secret bases, clearing paths through forests, I mean there is sooooo many elements that outnumber the pure speedplay of SC.  And, you say AoE isn't fast????  Ummm, if I recall right in AoE 2 AoC there was something called a rush.  You roll with the Huns or the Goths, and if you know how to play them and you play your cards right you can end the match in 5 mins.  Also, you're really gonna compare social networks with a came that was released in 1999, and with an expansion in 2000?!  The Zone was actually a great place for gameplay.  Dude, lol you must not remember the zone correctly but there would be over 10,000 people playing easy it was greatness haha.  Anyways, yes SC had a better campaign story mode, but that's because AoE was actually about multiplayer competitiveness and not the campaign.  It was more than APM, it took a ton of strategy, hell if you think that SC2 takes more strategy than AoE, hop on AoE3 and you won't know what to do.  Oh yeah, about competitiveness there used to be tourneys right on the zone every couple of months with prizes that were as high as $10,000 for first place, and this was frequent right in the players grasp you didn't have to travel for these tourneys.  I find that highly competitive, rating was everything back then except for people with mods.

     

    Last I checked SC has sold over 22 Million copies world wide.  So lets not even go there. And comparing SC2 that just released to AOE that has been out for some time.  SC2 sold 1.4 million boxs within 48 hours of its launch. I imagine its already past the 4 million mark in sales.  So yeah if you want to toss sells out there and stuff then Starcraft across the board has beat AOE and its sequals hands down.

    As far as competitive gameplay goes. SC1 has had that locked up in the RTS market from day one. The games remained a top RTS seller for over 8 years and IS the RTS competitive game. In Korean theres been yearly tournaments that bring in people from around the wold where $100k+ is given out each year.

    As far as SC2 goes we have yet to see what blizzard is going to offer up, but they have said they are interested in expanding upon the league system(s) used in the game and that could lead to some fairly crazy world wide tournaments where money is given out just like in the WoW Arena system.

     I brought in the sales because the dude said SC was more successful.  Also, yes Koreans play it and love it, and masses cling to it, but does that make it more strategic than AoE?  No...  Also get your numbers right, SC sold over 11 million copies world wide, while AoE has sold over 20 million copies world wide...   Anyways, just because the Koreans worship it does not make it the best RTS, it may be more nub friendly, and then also friendly to the players with fast fingers if you want to compete.  But it in no way compares with the thinking and strategy level it takes to play AoE games.  Also dude above tell me how that game is in no way on the level of SC, maybe in current popularity.. That's about it.  If you wanna look like this be my guest, and idk how you can call this real strategy.       http://www.noob.us/miscellaneous/korean-starcraft-player-demonstrates-300-apm/

  • expressoexpresso Member UncommonPosts: 2,218

    Originally posted by WardTheGreat

    Originally posted by Thomas2006

    Originally posted by WardTheGreat

    AoE 2 casual gameplay, SC2 extremely competitive?! Wth are you talking about man?!  AoE was extremely competitive, and you guys saying SC2 was more successful, why don't you take  loot and see who sold more games overall?  Dude I'm sorry if I offend some of you AoE players, but if you at least had an 1800 rating on the Zone you weren't worried about making a pretty base.  You had to know which units to make when, you had to use all kinds of flanking strategies, building secret bases, clearing paths through forests, I mean there is sooooo many elements that outnumber the pure speedplay of SC.  And, you say AoE isn't fast????  Ummm, if I recall right in AoE 2 AoC there was something called a rush.  You roll with the Huns or the Goths, and if you know how to play them and you play your cards right you can end the match in 5 mins.  Also, you're really gonna compare social networks with a came that was released in 1999, and with an expansion in 2000?!  The Zone was actually a great place for gameplay.  Dude, lol you must not remember the zone correctly but there would be over 10,000 people playing easy it was greatness haha.  Anyways, yes SC had a better campaign story mode, but that's because AoE was actually about multiplayer competitiveness and not the campaign.  It was more than APM, it took a ton of strategy, hell if you think that SC2 takes more strategy than AoE, hop on AoE3 and you won't know what to do.  Oh yeah, about competitiveness there used to be tourneys right on the zone every couple of months with prizes that were as high as $10,000 for first place, and this was frequent right in the players grasp you didn't have to travel for these tourneys.  I find that highly competitive, rating was everything back then except for people with mods.

     

    Last I checked SC has sold over 22 Million copies world wide.  So lets not even go there. And comparing SC2 that just released to AOE that has been out for some time.  SC2 sold 1.4 million boxs within 48 hours of its launch. I imagine its already past the 4 million mark in sales.  So yeah if you want to toss sells out there and stuff then Starcraft across the board has beat AOE and its sequals hands down.

    As far as competitive gameplay goes. SC1 has had that locked up in the RTS market from day one. The games remained a top RTS seller for over 8 years and IS the RTS competitive game. In Korean theres been yearly tournaments that bring in people from around the wold where $100k+ is given out each year.

    As far as SC2 goes we have yet to see what blizzard is going to offer up, but they have said they are interested in expanding upon the league system(s) used in the game and that could lead to some fairly crazy world wide tournaments where money is given out just like in the WoW Arena system.

     I brought in the sales because the dude said SC was more successful.  Also, yes Koreans play it and love it, and masses cling to it, but does that make it more strategic than AoE?  No...  Also get your numbers right, SC sold over 11 million copies world wide, while AoE has sold over 20 million copies world wide...   Anyways, just because the Koreans worship it does not make it the best RTS, it may be more nub friendly, and then also friendly to the players with fast fingers if you want to compete.  But it in no way compares with the thinking and strategy level it takes to play AoE games.  Also dude above tell me how that game is in no way on the level of SC, maybe in current popularity.. That's about it.  If you wanna look like this be my guest, and idk how you can call this real strategy.       http://www.noob.us/miscellaneous/korean-starcraft-player-demonstrates-300-apm/

     Relax, your doing your corner no favour by making up sales figures, calling SC players newbs, proclaiming SC takes no strategy or skill and posting stupid video's.  You sound bitter and angry.. go play some AoE and grow up.

  • IzkimarIzkimar Member UncommonPosts: 568

    Originally posted by expresso

    Originally posted by WardTheGreat

    Originally posted by Thomas2006

    Originally posted by WardTheGreat

    AoE 2 casual gameplay, SC2 extremely competitive?! Wth are you talking about man?!  AoE was extremely competitive, and you guys saying SC2 was more successful, why don't you take  loot and see who sold more games overall?  Dude I'm sorry if I offend some of you AoE players, but if you at least had an 1800 rating on the Zone you weren't worried about making a pretty base.  You had to know which units to make when, you had to use all kinds of flanking strategies, building secret bases, clearing paths through forests, I mean there is sooooo many elements that outnumber the pure speedplay of SC.  And, you say AoE isn't fast????  Ummm, if I recall right in AoE 2 AoC there was something called a rush.  You roll with the Huns or the Goths, and if you know how to play them and you play your cards right you can end the match in 5 mins.  Also, you're really gonna compare social networks with a came that was released in 1999, and with an expansion in 2000?!  The Zone was actually a great place for gameplay.  Dude, lol you must not remember the zone correctly but there would be over 10,000 people playing easy it was greatness haha.  Anyways, yes SC had a better campaign story mode, but that's because AoE was actually about multiplayer competitiveness and not the campaign.  It was more than APM, it took a ton of strategy, hell if you think that SC2 takes more strategy than AoE, hop on AoE3 and you won't know what to do.  Oh yeah, about competitiveness there used to be tourneys right on the zone every couple of months with prizes that were as high as $10,000 for first place, and this was frequent right in the players grasp you didn't have to travel for these tourneys.  I find that highly competitive, rating was everything back then except for people with mods.

     

    Last I checked SC has sold over 22 Million copies world wide.  So lets not even go there. And comparing SC2 that just released to AOE that has been out for some time.  SC2 sold 1.4 million boxs within 48 hours of its launch. I imagine its already past the 4 million mark in sales.  So yeah if you want to toss sells out there and stuff then Starcraft across the board has beat AOE and its sequals hands down.

    As far as competitive gameplay goes. SC1 has had that locked up in the RTS market from day one. The games remained a top RTS seller for over 8 years and IS the RTS competitive game. In Korean theres been yearly tournaments that bring in people from around the wold where $100k+ is given out each year.

    As far as SC2 goes we have yet to see what blizzard is going to offer up, but they have said they are interested in expanding upon the league system(s) used in the game and that could lead to some fairly crazy world wide tournaments where money is given out just like in the WoW Arena system.

     I brought in the sales because the dude said SC was more successful.  Also, yes Koreans play it and love it, and masses cling to it, but does that make it more strategic than AoE?  No...  Also get your numbers right, SC sold over 11 million copies world wide, while AoE has sold over 20 million copies world wide...   Anyways, just because the Koreans worship it does not make it the best RTS, it may be more nub friendly, and then also friendly to the players with fast fingers if you want to compete.  But it in no way compares with the thinking and strategy level it takes to play AoE games.  Also dude above tell me how that game is in no way on the level of SC, maybe in current popularity.. That's about it.  If you wanna look like this be my guest, and idk how you can call this real strategy.       http://www.noob.us/miscellaneous/korean-starcraft-player-demonstrates-300-apm/

     Relax, your doing your corner no favour by making up sales figures, calling SC players newbs, proclaiming SC takes no strategy or skill and posting stupid video's.  You sound bitter and angry.. go play some AoE and grow up.

     Lol, there's no need to grow up, it's just in defense of other's trying to say AoE cannot compare to SC.  And, as for the sales figures they're real go look em up.  SC does in fact take less strategy and is more about APM that's my major point, and how is it a stupid video?  It's a Korean who's part of the big competitive SC world and it proves the major role of APM.  Also, yes I may have gotten a little angry, because AoE does have a sweet spot in my heart.  But, excluding all emotion towards the game, the strategy elemnt in AoE is far greater than StarCraft, and that's truly not me putting StarCraft down.  I think StarCraft is a great game, but when you try to compare the two and say that SC is well above AoE and requires more strategy its nonsense.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Empires           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarCraft

    Links to the sales btw, there's the made up sales figures for you. 

  • ArgoZex77ArgoZex77 Member Posts: 40

    I have too many fond memories of AoE2 online. I loved the mods like Castle Blood, and regular deathmatch, ah! Good times from my childhood! lol I never got into SC nearly as much as I was an AoE fanatic

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  • summitussummitus Member UncommonPosts: 1,414

    Originally posted by Karesh

    imo...

    Age of empires = win

    starcraft = fail 

     Mmm perhaps you could enlighten us as to why you think that one of the best most well balanced RTS's ever made   = Fail ??

    just curious to you reasoning is all ...

  • TyilinTyilin Member Posts: 104

    Originally posted by Reizlanzer

    Originally posted by awia

     

    (opinions)

    Originally posted by KingKong007

    (opinions)

    Opinion, opinion, opinion.

     im confused, are not 99% of forums about opinions? seems kinda silly to mock a cog without looking at the machine...

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  • YarlyYarly Member Posts: 53

    Age of Empires 2 is better than Starcraft 2!

    But what would happen if I said Empire Earth Art of Conquest is better than Age of Empires 2?  cus it is.

    Guild Wars 2!

  • HYPERI0NHYPERI0N Member Posts: 3,515

    So you are saying that Age of Empiresw 2 is better at Fast paced RTS online gaming are you image

     

    have your heard of the term Apples and Oranges?

    Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981

  • awiaawia Member Posts: 96

    Originally posted by HYPERI0N

    So you are saying that Age of Empiresw 2 is better at Fast paced RTS online gaming are you image

     

    have your heard of the term Apples and Oranges?

    you have never played AOE2 deathmatch? you could wipe someone out in 3 minutes playing time

  • RodentofdoomRodentofdoom Member Posts: 273

    As far as I can tell all thats changed since SC & SC:BW is the graphics and system requirements

     

    2 styles of play 10 years ago

    2 styles of play today.

     

    DoW, C&C and SC were all basically the same game ... and all 10 years old

    Ground Control is 5 years old.

    SC2 is almost identical to SC

    DoW2 has more in common with GC than DoW

     

     

    SC2 is a reused pile of 10 year old garbage.

  • RydesonRydeson Member UncommonPosts: 3,852

    I loved the AoE games, however they two are different themes.. however I can ask.. What makes Starcraft 2 better then Supreme Commander 2?  Both are sci-fi.. Both are 3 faction based.. Both have resource gathering.. Both use the same mechanics of unit crafting and addons..Both have online play.. ONLY Supreme commander can be played without the internet..

    So again, what makes starcraft 2 better? 

  • eburneburn Member Posts: 740

    I like the Age of Empire games a lot, but I like StarCraft as well.

    I do know why. In Age of Empire slower gamers can have a fair shot against the quicker RTS players. Turtling is viable where as SC has a bit of balance to it and a player has to react more quickly.

    A lot of MMORPG players enjoy a slower pace to things for various reasons.

    Your personal preference to slowness doesn't mean StarCraft 2 isn't a very well made and balanced game with a lot to offer to the progress of that particular genre. I mean it's fun to live in the past and cherish what it gave us, but I like the 2010 Mustang while I appriciate the 1969 one.

    I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.

  • lornphoenixlornphoenix Member Posts: 993

    Originally posted by Rydeson

    ONLY Supreme commander can be played without the internet..

    You can play SC2 offline in guest mode just fine... just have to sign into b.net at least once.

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  • KingKong007KingKong007 Member Posts: 149

    Originally posted by Rydeson

    I loved the AoE games, however they two are different themes.. however I can ask.. What makes Starcraft 2 better then Supreme Commander 2?  Both are sci-fi.. Both are 3 faction based.. Both have resource gathering.. Both use the same mechanics of unit crafting and addons..Both have online play.. ONLY Supreme commander can be played without the internet..

    So again, what makes starcraft 2 better? 

    Perhaps buying, installing and playing them would give you your personal answer.

    You can't judge a game without playing (the official version).

    For most burnout WOW players SC2 will raise an eyebrow. I know I was surprised (and since then I am no longer sceptical for D3 either).

    It's a pity this kind of high standards is so rare. It puts everything into perspective again.

  • RydesonRydeson Member UncommonPosts: 3,852

    TY for the non-answer answer.. LOL  I think I'll save my money :)

  • KingKong007KingKong007 Member Posts: 149

    Originally posted by Rydeson

    TY for the non-answer answer.. LOL  I think I'll save my money :)

     The stop posting about games you don't know a thing about.

  • AmarandesAmarandes Member Posts: 104

    Originally posted by Rydeson

    I loved the AoE games, however they two are different themes.. however I can ask.. What makes Starcraft 2 better then Supreme Commander 2?  Both are sci-fi.. Both are 3 faction based.. Both have resource gathering.. Both use the same mechanics of unit crafting and addons..Both have online play.. ONLY Supreme commander can be played without the internet..

    So again, what makes starcraft 2 better? 

     What makes Starcraft 2 better? Starcraft 2 sticked to its original formula of Starcraft 1. Supreme Commander 2 changed too much from the original game, alienating the players and earning mediocre reviews.

  • Vash14132Vash14132 Member UncommonPosts: 21

    I prefer the warcraft RTS experience over both Starcraft and AoE for custom games alone.

  • ZenNatureZenNature Member CommonPosts: 354

    I agree, AoE2 is a much better game imo and I never liked SC1. Of course that's just opinion. AoE3 is just horrible by comparison. I will try SC2 via demo just to see if I like it better, but otherwise I'm more then happy continuing to play Civ IV and AoE2.

  • KryptyKrypty Member UncommonPosts: 454

    Hey, here's a thought - both games are good.

     

    /thread

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