Communication is never a bad thing. A short statement saying that the server is down and we are working to resolve the issue would've been good customer service. If a person downloaded the trial and couldn't access the server and couldn't find any notifications of why, that's a bad first impression. For a game trying to get subs, bad customer service isn't the way to to do it.
I prefer to play a good game..thats why i dont play DF.
what game is that?
I'm curious as well.
on an game vs game debate Darkfall usually blows other games away. Its a debate that rarely happens or quickly gets diverted back to customer service as a game feature.
A lot of debates on Darkfall vs 'what I want' but not so much Darkfall vs Another Actual game.
EDIT: or walk into the valley of steel comments like 'Any thing other than Darkfall.'
I am going to have to respond to this, because this is just false. It is impossible for any game to blow another game out of the water in debates. The problem here being is that it is all based on opinion.
Some people may feel a game of Monopoly or chess on their PC blows DF out of the water. Are they wrong? No, they aren't, just as someone who prefers chocolate over vanilla ice cream isn't wrong, or someone who prefers rap over rock isn't wrong, vice versa, etc, etc. It's all a matter of opinion, and choices, and in debates of game versus game, where a matter of personal taste and opinion plays into it, there is no right or wrong. Just what you prefer over what you don't.
A debate over opinion is just silly, but a debate over facts is another thing altogether. But to say one game blows another out of the water is just silly and a matter of opinion. It may blow the others out of the water in your mind, and the minds of others who play it, but it doesn't make it a fact because you or anyone else says so.
If you like the game, then hey, game on and have at it. But just because you think the game is the "bees knees", doesn't make it a universal truth. Flame on.
I prefer to play a good game..thats why i dont play DF.
what game is that?
I'm curious as well.
on an game vs game debate Darkfall usually blows other games away. Its a debate that rarely happens or quickly gets diverted back to customer service as a game feature.
A lot of debates on Darkfall vs 'what I want' but not so much Darkfall vs Another Actual game.
EDIT: or walk into the valley of steel comments like 'Any thing other than Darkfall.'
I am going to have to respond to this, because this is just false. It is impossible for any game to blow another game out of the water in debates. The problem here being is that it is all based on opinion.
Some people may feel a game of Monopoly or chess on their PC blows DF out of the water. Are they wrong? No, they aren't, just as someone who prefers chocolate over vanilla ice cream isn't wrong, or someone who prefers rap over rock isn't wrong, vice versa, etc, etc. It's all a matter of opinion, and choices, and in debates of game versus game, where a matter of personal taste and opinion plays into it, there is no right or wrong. Just what you prefer over what you don't.
A debate over opinion is just silly, but a debate over facts is another thing altogether. But to say one game blows another out of the water is just silly and a matter of opinion. It may blow the others out of the water in your mind, and the minds of others who play it, but it doesn't make it a fact because you or anyone else says so.
If you like the game, then hey, game on and have at it. But just because you think the game is the "bees knees", doesn't make it a universal truth. Flame on.
all I did was scan your text for the name of another game and didnt see anything.
These types of debates always happen here and its usually take a great deal of effort to pull the name of ANY game out of people who make these points as you have other than 'well any game' or all other such predictably cute comments such as that.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I have to agree with the above poster. Its all just personal opinion. I do find ironic however that the die hard fans built a huge hype, then disappeared shortly after the game launched. There are a few stalwart fans who are still carrying the torch, but over all I think Darkfall has been seen for what it is, which explains the incredibly low population.
I have to agree with the above poster. Its all just personal opinion. I do find ironic however that the die hard fans built a huge hype, then disappeared shortly after the game launched. There are a few stalwart fans who are still carrying the torch, but over all I think Darkfall has been seen for what it is, which explains the incredibly low population.
again, no name of a game unless we are suggesting that Monolpy is better.
Look I just think its sad that the Darkfall haters cant even have a conversation on a game to game level.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
There are people that do appreciate little notifications from the developers and there are those that don't. It makes sense for them to post something to alleviate the frustrations of those players that care about that because it doesn't affect or hurt the players that don't care for it. It's a win-win situation for them if they do it. It's not that hard to understand.
I have to agree with the above poster. Its all just personal opinion. I do find ironic however that the die hard fans built a huge hype, then disappeared shortly after the game launched. There are a few stalwart fans who are still carrying the torch, but over all I think Darkfall has been seen for what it is, which explains the incredibly low population.
again, no name of a game unless we are suggesting that Monolpy is better.
Look I just think its sad that the Darkfall haters cant even have a conversation on a game to game level.
Lets not resort to name calling please. I fail to see why i should supply some sort of game name. I dont need to drink a cup of sewage to know when a hamburger is good.
There are probably hundreds of games out there that make more money in a month than darkfall does. So if you want a list of games that have more players and are more successful, you dont have to go any further than the game list here on mmorpg.com.
I have to agree with the above poster. Its all just personal opinion. I do find ironic however that the die hard fans built a huge hype, then disappeared shortly after the game launched. There are a few stalwart fans who are still carrying the torch, but over all I think Darkfall has been seen for what it is, which explains the incredibly low population.
again, no name of a game unless we are suggesting that Monolpy is better.
Look I just think its sad that the Darkfall haters cant even have a conversation on a game to game level.
There is no problem having a discussion on a game to game level, but I think you misread the OP. This thread is about lack of communication when the servers went offline. You're in the wrong thread.
I have to agree with the above poster. Its all just personal opinion. I do find ironic however that the die hard fans built a huge hype, then disappeared shortly after the game launched. There are a few stalwart fans who are still carrying the torch, but over all I think Darkfall has been seen for what it is, which explains the incredibly low population.
again, no name of a game unless we are suggesting that Monolpy is better.
Look I just think its sad that the Darkfall haters cant even have a conversation on a game to game level.
There is no problem having a discussion on a game to game level, but I think you misread the OP. This thread is about lack of communication when the servers went offline. You're in the wrong thread.
I forget if its this thread or the other thread but basically the equation between game itself and PR is being made here. My question is this, if I am to agree with you that the PR is so bad that i should stop playing darkall my quesiton is what game should I play instead.
In fact, I am somewhat very serious about that quesiton. When the server is down I would LOVE to know what other game I could play that is similar. I have the time to play two MMO's and it would be kind of nice to have a distraction so I am honest when I say I would like to know of another game that could come in the same ballpark.
but no suggestions as it turns out.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I have to agree with the above poster. Its all just personal opinion. I do find ironic however that the die hard fans built a huge hype, then disappeared shortly after the game launched. There are a few stalwart fans who are still carrying the torch, but over all I think Darkfall has been seen for what it is, which explains the incredibly low population.
again, no name of a game unless we are suggesting that Monolpy is better.
Look I just think its sad that the Darkfall haters cant even have a conversation on a game to game level.
I quite like from Civilization IV and would say that it is leaps and bounds better game than Darkfall in terms of polish, depth of content and enduring and diverse forms of fun. The amount of player-generated content is mind-boggling and the tools provided by the developer are good enough to allow players to virtually re-create the entire game if they choose to. And for certain, also a game of Monopoly with friends is more fun than Darkfall was for me six months ago.
If you are looking for MMO games that are more fun and/or better, I'd say that I like from Dawntide more than I did like from Darkfall and it has nothing to do with polish. Also, LEGO Universe is pretty whopping although it doesn't have on its beta stage all that much content -- well, still it has more than what there was in Darkfall. Of course also WoW provides such amounts of fun, atmosphere and challenge that it hardly can be compared even at the same day to Darkfall -- so much better it is. Heck, there are even free-to-play games that are more diverse than Darkfall, such as DDO.
Also, there's a plethora of FPS games that surpass the sense-of-combat in Darkfall and they are entirely free-to-play online and most of the time there are even more people to fight against than what I ever managed to see in Darkfall. And small games like Trials HD provide me more challenge than I can bear and they cost roughly the same as one month of Darkfall. On visual design there are countless games that are far better executed than Darkfall, and they can actually be from small indie developers as well. Take Limbo, for example. Or from the field of MMOs that are indie-made, take Love. It has only one developer and still it has managed to catch visual design of unparellal power and vision.
There -- now you got yourself a list you can start to dissect as you wish. I can easily say that I do/did prefer all of those games I have mentioned above over Darkfall. And there are countless more that I could add. The idea of Darkfall might be fun but on level of execution it fails to reach lofty goals Aventurine set to it. I didn't feel immersed, I felt annoyed.
I have to agree with the above poster. Its all just personal opinion. I do find ironic however that the die hard fans built a huge hype, then disappeared shortly after the game launched. There are a few stalwart fans who are still carrying the torch, but over all I think Darkfall has been seen for what it is, which explains the incredibly low population.
again, no name of a game unless we are suggesting that Monolpy is better.
Look I just think its sad that the Darkfall haters cant even have a conversation on a game to game level.
I quite like from Civilization IV and would say that it is leaps and bounds better game than Darkfall in terms of polish, depth of content and enduring and diverse forms of fun. The amount of player-generated content is mind-boggling and the tools provided by the developer are good enough to allow players to virtually re-create the entire game if they choose to. And for certain, also a game of Monopoly with friends is more fun than Darkfall was for me six months ago.
If you are looking for MMO games that are more fun and/or better, I'd say that I like from Dawntide more than I did like from Darkfall and it has nothing to do with polish. Also, LEGO Universe is pretty whopping although it doesn't have on its beta stage all that much content -- well, still it has more than what there was in Darkfall. Of course also WoW provides such amounts of fun, atmosphere and challenge that it hardly can be compared even at the same day to Darkfall -- so much better it is. Heck, there are even free-to-play games that are more diverse than Darkfall, such as DDO.
Also, there's a plethora of FPS games that surpass the sense-of-combat in Darkfall and they are entirely free-to-play online and most of the time there are even more people to fight against than what I ever managed to see in Darkfall. And small games like Trials HD provide me more challenge than I can bear and they cost roughly the same as one month of Darkfall. On visual design there are countless games that are far better executed than Darkfall, and they can actually be from small indie developers as well. Take Limbo, for example. Or from the field of MMOs that are indie-made, take Love. It has only one developer and still it has managed to catch visual design of unparellal power and vision.
There -- now you got yourself a list you can start to dissect as you wish. I can easily say that I do/did prefer all of those games I have mentioned above over Darkfall. And there are countless more that I could add. The idea of Darkfall might be fun but on level of execution it fails to reach lofty goals Aventurine set to it. I didn't feel immersed, I felt annoyed.
much better I am proud of you. Now I think its best to keep comparisions within the MMO world. Single player games bring in a whole different angle that can become hard to untangle. For example, to compare Darkfall FPS combat with say Bad Company 2 as evidence that Darkfall is a bad MMO would be rather silly given that few MMO's even have FPS combat at all.
but never the less, thank you, you stretched well there
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I have to agree with the above poster. Its all just personal opinion. I do find ironic however that the die hard fans built a huge hype, then disappeared shortly after the game launched. There are a few stalwart fans who are still carrying the torch, but over all I think Darkfall has been seen for what it is, which explains the incredibly low population.
again, no name of a game unless we are suggesting that Monolpy is better.
Look I just think its sad that the Darkfall haters cant even have a conversation on a game to game level.
There is no problem having a discussion on a game to game level, but I think you misread the OP. This thread is about lack of communication when the servers went offline. You're in the wrong thread.
I forget if its this thread or the other thread but basically the equation between game itself and PR is being made here. My question is this, if I am to agree with you that the PR is so bad that i should stop playing darkall my quesiton is what game should I play instead.
In fact, I am somewhat very serious about that quesiton. When the server is down I would LOVE to know what other game I could play that is similar. I have the time to play two MMO's and it would be kind of nice to have a distraction so I am honest when I say I would like to know of another game that could come in the same ballpark.
but no suggestions as it turns out.
my point sir, is that customer service is part of the overall package. A car salesman who has mastered the art of customer service will aid in return customers. A jerk off who doesnt like his job and is only doing it to get by is going to cost the company in the long run.
Frankly Darkfall doesnt need anymore reasons for people to stop playing. If anything you should be on the side of keeping them legit, not defending their bad business practices.
I have to agree with the above poster. Its all just personal opinion. I do find ironic however that the die hard fans built a huge hype, then disappeared shortly after the game launched. There are a few stalwart fans who are still carrying the torch, but over all I think Darkfall has been seen for what it is, which explains the incredibly low population.
again, no name of a game unless we are suggesting that Monolpy is better.
Look I just think its sad that the Darkfall haters cant even have a conversation on a game to game level.
There is no problem having a discussion on a game to game level, but I think you misread the OP. This thread is about lack of communication when the servers went offline. You're in the wrong thread.
I forget if its this thread or the other thread but basically the equation between game itself and PR is being made here. My question is this, if I am to agree with you that the PR is so bad that i should stop playing darkall my quesiton is what game should I play instead.
In fact, I am somewhat very serious about that quesiton. When the server is down I would LOVE to know what other game I could play that is similar. I have the time to play two MMO's and it would be kind of nice to have a distraction so I am honest when I say I would like to know of another game that could come in the same ballpark.
but no suggestions as it turns out.
Like I said, Ultima Online is having the same problem with lack of communication right now so I can't suggest that. Otherwise I would, because it does everything that Darkfall does, just a lot better. A lot of people compare it to that for good reason. The only thing you are losing is modern-gen graphics and a first-person perspective, but I have a feeling they are going to announce something soon regarding either a graphics upgrade or UO2. EA is putting a lot of surprising support in it for a 13 year-old game, and they have some "major announcement" planned in the next community event. It could also be the addition of classic servers, which a ton of players keep saying they will return to UO if that opens. That would make it even more like Darkfall because there would be no separation of PVP/PVE rulesets.
The problem I have with having this debate with you is I like a LOT of MMOs. You can just see in my profile the huge list of one's I've played before, and I can say I enjoy different aspects of at least a quarter of them enough to play regularly if I had the time. Since I don't, I tend to focus on a select few like Lotro, Guild Wars, and UO. I don't think the first two have much in common with DF, but I think they are better games. That isn't going to help you though because those two aren't anything like Darkfall and I don't know your other interests/requirements in an MMO.
Personnaly, tehre are 2 things I care about when this happens.
Are the servers really offline or is it me having a problem?
And for how long.
Sometimes, maintenance is a few minutes to an half hour late, I don't mind this. But if I am like is it gonna be an half hour or 3 hours, it's very annoying.
As others have mentionned, it's not a criteria for good/bad game.
Personnaly, tehre are 2 things I care about when this happens.
Are the servers really offline or is it me having a problem?
And for how long.
Sometimes, maintenance is a few minutes to an half hour late, I don't mind this. But if I am like is it gonna be an half hour or 3 hours, it's very annoying.
As others have mentionned, it's not a criteria for good/bad game.
That's another good point. A simple statement from them at least gives the players some idea about where the problem is, and if it's worth waiting for it to come up or if it's better to just make other plans and forget about playing it for awhile. A similar complaint erupts with companies that understate the problem, saying it will be up in the next hour, then they say that every hour for the next 24 hours. It's like Scotty once said, take how long you think it will take and multiply it times two. Then when you finish sooner, it'll look impressive lol
Lol Sean Arcken has been that way since vaportrolling times. Don't feed him, he is here just for some 'forum pvp'.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Like I said, Ultima Online is having the same problem with lack of communication right now so I can't suggest that. Otherwise I would, because it does everything that Darkfall does, just a lot better. A lot of people compare it to that for good reason. The only thing you are losing is modern-gen graphics and a first-person perspective, but I have a feeling they are going to announce something soon regarding either a graphics upgrade or UO2. EA is putting a lot of surprising support in it for a 13 year-old game, and they have some "major announcement" planned in the next community event. It could also be the addition of classic servers, which a ton of players keep saying they will return to UO if that opens. That would make it even more like Darkfall because there would be no separation of PVP/PVE rulesets.
The problem I have with having this debate with you is I like a LOT of MMOs. You can just see in my profile the huge list of one's I've played before, and I can say I enjoy different aspects of at least a quarter of them enough to play regularly if I had the time. Since I don't, I tend to focus on a select few like Lotro, Guild Wars, and UO. I don't think the first two have much in common with DF, but I think they are better games. That isn't going to help you though because those two aren't anything like Darkfall and I don't know your other interests/requirements in an MMO.
It would only be fair for me to factor into point that no other MMO is really even close to what Darkfall is like from a game feature perspective. It would be easy for me to spiral the conversation down to that level however that said, it does play a factor and here is a classic example why.
I took a break from Darkfall and I played Fallen Earth, it has a great crafting engine but its so quest dependent that it can get annoying running around touching that, talking to this person. I would almost rather have a quest that says 'kill 1000 beasts' and just not worry about finding boxes and the like. never the less I quit and came back mostly becuase of the quest insanity.
Unfortuntaly for making a fair debate almost all other MMO's are quest dependent leaving only a very small amount to compare to in that vein.
Anyway, its also true that its actually a conversation for a different thread and I most likely have diverted enough away from the orginal post. I think the reason its of intrest to me is becuase I very honestly would like to have options and I am currently looking around for a second MMO.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Lol Sean Arcken has been that way since vaportrolling times. Don't feed him, he is here just for some 'forum pvp'.
well if it isnt my ole froth&foamer. havent seen you much lately hoss, how're those 1 million + subs you so vehemently preached before lauch doing?
You even can't remember fact's right. I was the one asking for a dedicated and small playerbase and getting rid of all the "critics'.
I am happy ...
And yes, its not good they were silent the whole sunday. But for them making thebest game on the market the playerbase forgive em their odditys and take em verey lightly.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Lol Sean Arcken has been that way since vaportrolling times. Don't feed him, he is here just for some 'forum pvp'.
well if it isnt my ole froth&foamer. havent seen you much lately hoss, how're those 1 million + subs you so vehemently preached before lauch doing?
You even can't remember fact's right. I was the one asking for a dedicated and small playerbase and getting rid of all the "critics'.
I am happy ...
Im glad you are happy and i hope that your game sticks around in spite of the fact its been wildly unsuccesful.
They doing great. They hire new employees, moved to bigger offices, hire and set up motion studios, bring out 2 expansions and have time for vacation and respond not during weekends you know.
meanwhile othersar busy and try to implement a fun to play FPS into their MMORPG.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
perhaps after this next expansion they can scrape together enough money to have an employee work on the weekends!
There isn't one needed.
On the last 70 or so weekends the outage occured just 1x.
and after the lovely game is gone back on, everyone regrets having had evil and bad thoughts.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
perhaps after this next expansion they can scrape together enough money to have an employee work on the weekends!
There isn't one needed.
On the last 70 or so weekends the outage occured just 1x.
and after the lovely game is gone back on, everyone regrets having had evil and bad thoughts.
As far as I know, EU crashed twice, this issue being related to last week's crash according to Aventurine.
Servers are finally back up, but I don't see anyone "regretting" having bad thoughts. Most are still outraged by how long it took AV to fix things, even if they received a free extra day to their subscription.
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Communication is never a bad thing. A short statement saying that the server is down and we are working to resolve the issue would've been good customer service. If a person downloaded the trial and couldn't access the server and couldn't find any notifications of why, that's a bad first impression. For a game trying to get subs, bad customer service isn't the way to to do it.
I am going to have to respond to this, because this is just false. It is impossible for any game to blow another game out of the water in debates. The problem here being is that it is all based on opinion.
Some people may feel a game of Monopoly or chess on their PC blows DF out of the water. Are they wrong? No, they aren't, just as someone who prefers chocolate over vanilla ice cream isn't wrong, or someone who prefers rap over rock isn't wrong, vice versa, etc, etc. It's all a matter of opinion, and choices, and in debates of game versus game, where a matter of personal taste and opinion plays into it, there is no right or wrong. Just what you prefer over what you don't.
A debate over opinion is just silly, but a debate over facts is another thing altogether. But to say one game blows another out of the water is just silly and a matter of opinion. It may blow the others out of the water in your mind, and the minds of others who play it, but it doesn't make it a fact because you or anyone else says so.
If you like the game, then hey, game on and have at it. But just because you think the game is the "bees knees", doesn't make it a universal truth. Flame on.
all I did was scan your text for the name of another game and didnt see anything.
These types of debates always happen here and its usually take a great deal of effort to pull the name of ANY game out of people who make these points as you have other than 'well any game' or all other such predictably cute comments such as that.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I have to agree with the above poster. Its all just personal opinion. I do find ironic however that the die hard fans built a huge hype, then disappeared shortly after the game launched. There are a few stalwart fans who are still carrying the torch, but over all I think Darkfall has been seen for what it is, which explains the incredibly low population.
again, no name of a game unless we are suggesting that Monolpy is better.
Look I just think its sad that the Darkfall haters cant even have a conversation on a game to game level.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
There are people that do appreciate little notifications from the developers and there are those that don't. It makes sense for them to post something to alleviate the frustrations of those players that care about that because it doesn't affect or hurt the players that don't care for it. It's a win-win situation for them if they do it. It's not that hard to understand.
Lets not resort to name calling please. I fail to see why i should supply some sort of game name. I dont need to drink a cup of sewage to know when a hamburger is good.
There are probably hundreds of games out there that make more money in a month than darkfall does. So if you want a list of games that have more players and are more successful, you dont have to go any further than the game list here on mmorpg.com.
There is no problem having a discussion on a game to game level, but I think you misread the OP. This thread is about lack of communication when the servers went offline. You're in the wrong thread.
I forget if its this thread or the other thread but basically the equation between game itself and PR is being made here. My question is this, if I am to agree with you that the PR is so bad that i should stop playing darkall my quesiton is what game should I play instead.
In fact, I am somewhat very serious about that quesiton. When the server is down I would LOVE to know what other game I could play that is similar. I have the time to play two MMO's and it would be kind of nice to have a distraction so I am honest when I say I would like to know of another game that could come in the same ballpark.
but no suggestions as it turns out.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I quite like from Civilization IV and would say that it is leaps and bounds better game than Darkfall in terms of polish, depth of content and enduring and diverse forms of fun. The amount of player-generated content is mind-boggling and the tools provided by the developer are good enough to allow players to virtually re-create the entire game if they choose to. And for certain, also a game of Monopoly with friends is more fun than Darkfall was for me six months ago.
If you are looking for MMO games that are more fun and/or better, I'd say that I like from Dawntide more than I did like from Darkfall and it has nothing to do with polish. Also, LEGO Universe is pretty whopping although it doesn't have on its beta stage all that much content -- well, still it has more than what there was in Darkfall. Of course also WoW provides such amounts of fun, atmosphere and challenge that it hardly can be compared even at the same day to Darkfall -- so much better it is. Heck, there are even free-to-play games that are more diverse than Darkfall, such as DDO.
Also, there's a plethora of FPS games that surpass the sense-of-combat in Darkfall and they are entirely free-to-play online and most of the time there are even more people to fight against than what I ever managed to see in Darkfall. And small games like Trials HD provide me more challenge than I can bear and they cost roughly the same as one month of Darkfall. On visual design there are countless games that are far better executed than Darkfall, and they can actually be from small indie developers as well. Take Limbo, for example. Or from the field of MMOs that are indie-made, take Love. It has only one developer and still it has managed to catch visual design of unparellal power and vision.
There -- now you got yourself a list you can start to dissect as you wish. I can easily say that I do/did prefer all of those games I have mentioned above over Darkfall. And there are countless more that I could add. The idea of Darkfall might be fun but on level of execution it fails to reach lofty goals Aventurine set to it. I didn't feel immersed, I felt annoyed.
much better I am proud of you. Now I think its best to keep comparisions within the MMO world. Single player games bring in a whole different angle that can become hard to untangle. For example, to compare Darkfall FPS combat with say Bad Company 2 as evidence that Darkfall is a bad MMO would be rather silly given that few MMO's even have FPS combat at all.
but never the less, thank you, you stretched well there
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
my point sir, is that customer service is part of the overall package. A car salesman who has mastered the art of customer service will aid in return customers. A jerk off who doesnt like his job and is only doing it to get by is going to cost the company in the long run.
Frankly Darkfall doesnt need anymore reasons for people to stop playing. If anything you should be on the side of keeping them legit, not defending their bad business practices.
Like I said, Ultima Online is having the same problem with lack of communication right now so I can't suggest that. Otherwise I would, because it does everything that Darkfall does, just a lot better. A lot of people compare it to that for good reason. The only thing you are losing is modern-gen graphics and a first-person perspective, but I have a feeling they are going to announce something soon regarding either a graphics upgrade or UO2. EA is putting a lot of surprising support in it for a 13 year-old game, and they have some "major announcement" planned in the next community event. It could also be the addition of classic servers, which a ton of players keep saying they will return to UO if that opens. That would make it even more like Darkfall because there would be no separation of PVP/PVE rulesets.
The problem I have with having this debate with you is I like a LOT of MMOs. You can just see in my profile the huge list of one's I've played before, and I can say I enjoy different aspects of at least a quarter of them enough to play regularly if I had the time. Since I don't, I tend to focus on a select few like Lotro, Guild Wars, and UO. I don't think the first two have much in common with DF, but I think they are better games. That isn't going to help you though because those two aren't anything like Darkfall and I don't know your other interests/requirements in an MMO.
Personnaly, tehre are 2 things I care about when this happens.
Are the servers really offline or is it me having a problem?
And for how long.
Sometimes, maintenance is a few minutes to an half hour late, I don't mind this. But if I am like is it gonna be an half hour or 3 hours, it's very annoying.
As others have mentionned, it's not a criteria for good/bad game.
That's another good point. A simple statement from them at least gives the players some idea about where the problem is, and if it's worth waiting for it to come up or if it's better to just make other plans and forget about playing it for awhile. A similar complaint erupts with companies that understate the problem, saying it will be up in the next hour, then they say that every hour for the next 24 hours. It's like Scotty once said, take how long you think it will take and multiply it times two. Then when you finish sooner, it'll look impressive lol
Lol Sean Arcken has been that way since vaportrolling times. Don't feed him, he is here just for some 'forum pvp'.
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It would only be fair for me to factor into point that no other MMO is really even close to what Darkfall is like from a game feature perspective. It would be easy for me to spiral the conversation down to that level however that said, it does play a factor and here is a classic example why.
I took a break from Darkfall and I played Fallen Earth, it has a great crafting engine but its so quest dependent that it can get annoying running around touching that, talking to this person. I would almost rather have a quest that says 'kill 1000 beasts' and just not worry about finding boxes and the like. never the less I quit and came back mostly becuase of the quest insanity.
Unfortuntaly for making a fair debate almost all other MMO's are quest dependent leaving only a very small amount to compare to in that vein.
Anyway, its also true that its actually a conversation for a different thread and I most likely have diverted enough away from the orginal post. I think the reason its of intrest to me is becuase I very honestly would like to have options and I am currently looking around for a second MMO.
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well if it isnt my ole froth&foamer. havent seen you much lately hoss, how're those 1 million + subs you so vehemently preached before lauch doing?
You even can't remember fact's right. I was the one asking for a dedicated and small playerbase and getting rid of all the "critics'.
I am happy ...
And yes, its not good they were silent the whole sunday. But for them making thebest game on the market the playerbase forgive em their odditys and take em verey lightly.
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Im glad you are happy and i hope that your game sticks around in spite of the fact its been wildly unsuccesful.
They doing great. They hire new employees, moved to bigger offices, hire and set up motion studios, bring out 2 expansions and have time for vacation and respond not during weekends you know.
meanwhile othersar busy and try to implement a fun to play FPS into their MMORPG.
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
perhaps after this next expansion they can scrape together enough money to have an employee work on the weekends!
There isn't one needed.
On the last 70 or so weekends the outage occured just 1x.
and after the lovely game is gone back on, everyone regrets having had evil and bad thoughts.
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
I wouldn't say everyone. I actually cherish my evil and bad thoughts, thank you very much
As far as I know, EU crashed twice, this issue being related to last week's crash according to Aventurine.
Servers are finally back up, but I don't see anyone "regretting" having bad thoughts. Most are still outraged by how long it took AV to fix things, even if they received a free extra day to their subscription.