Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!

Must run good with keyboard and mouse.

12467

Comments

  • PalebanePalebane Member RarePosts: 4,011

    Resident Evil 5 has a funky control system, even with the WASD movement keys, different than any other shooter I've played before it. It just takes awhile to get the hang of it. Lots of games do. Being unfamiliar with the controls is the silliest reason to not play a new video game, in my opinion.

    Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.

  • QuetosQuetos Member Posts: 48

    Hmm, silliest reason for not playing a new computer game? There's gotta be a better reason than the controller!

    Mate and I have come up with:

    My mom told me not to.

    It'll lead to repetative strain injury

    It's got 'T' on the box and I'm a mature player!

    It's NOT a WoW clone!

    There's no online shop

    If it doesn't need a maxed out rig to run

    Gotta be something better!

  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 7,081

    Have you ever considered how many mmo players read message boards ?

    Very close to none, that's how many, I worked in a large factory for years, and now I work for the Army.  So I come in contact with many people. I know a lot of mmo players, mostly WoW, some EQ2, but thats besides the point. The point is NONE of them read message boards NONE !

    So if they release FF XIV in anyway close to FF11's control. MOST EVERYONE will not know anything about a control pad, and I hope BestBuy and GameStops have a good return policy.

    What you are all saying, is that they are working on it.... Thats good.... The difference between me and you is that I'm telling you that they must, your saying it would be nice. How so many people can be so selfish is beyond me.

     

    See,,, the large population is not like you.  But you don't care about them !

  • HyanmenHyanmen Member UncommonPosts: 5,357

    Originally posted by page

    So if they release FF XIV in anyway close to FF11's control. MOST EVERYONE will not know anything about a control pad, and I hope BestBuy and GameStops have a good return policy.

    If people are so dumb that they don't read ANY reviews, ANY comments about the game before buying it....

    I hope there is no return policy. Teaches them right for being such an idiots.

    Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 7,081

    Originally posted by Hyanmen

    Originally posted by page

    So if they release FF XIV in anyway close to FF11's control. MOST EVERYONE will not know anything about a control pad, and I hope BestBuy and GameStops have a good return policy.

    If people are so dumb that they don't read ANY reviews, ANY comments about the game before buying it....

    I hope there is no return policy. Teaches them right for being such an idiots.

     Thanks you just proved me right :)

  • BenediktBenedikt Member UncommonPosts: 1,406

    Originally posted by Quetos

    Hmm, silliest reason for not playing a new computer game? There's gotta be a better reason than the controller!

    Mate and I have come up with:

    My mom told me not to.

    It'll lead to repetative strain injury

    It's got 'T' on the box and I'm a mature player!

    It's NOT a WoW clone!

    There's no online shop

    If it doesn't need a maxed out rig to run

    Gotta be something better!

     There is no jumping. :)

  • VarishmonVarishmon Member Posts: 5

    Originally posted by rozenblade1

    I don't get it...

    ...are people too lazy to take the time to learn a new control scheme for a new game or what?

    There's no reason to drive in a nail with a screwdriver if the hammer has already been invented.   Control schemes exist that are simply better for mouse users than what existed in FFXI or the FFXIV beta, so people naturally expect that in a game they might play for literally thousands of hours, those superior controls are available.

  • SkieveSkieve Member Posts: 190

    Originally posted by page

    Have you ever considered how many mmo players read message boards ?

    Very close to none, that's how many, I worked in a large factory for years, and now I work for the Army.  So I come in contact with many people. I know a lot of mmo players, mostly WoW, some EQ2, but thats besides the point. The point is NONE of them read message boards NONE !

    So if they release FF XIV in anyway close to FF11's control. MOST EVERYONE will not know anything about a control pad, and I hope BestBuy and GameStops have a good return policy.

    What you are all saying, is that they are working on it.... Thats good.... The difference between me and you is that I'm telling you that they must, your saying it would be nice. How so many people can be so selfish is beyond me.

     

    See,,, the large population is not like you.  But you don't care about them !

    Only kids and people who dont care about their money buys stuf w-o reading reviews, previews and such.Were exactly do you get the ilussion FFXIV MUST have a game pad or cant play exactly ?

    According to you we are being selfish becouse we dont care about a simple thin such as camera movement,but what you fail to see is that the game is a lot more than just that.Becouse what we do say here makes a huge diference to what the game is going to be like, right.

    You know who doesnt read boards apart from your wow friends ? Square Enix team.They read the beta threads.So exactly , what is your porpouse on raging about this ?apart from trolling based on everythin but the actual facts.

    Let me list it down nice and clean for you so maybe you get a hint of whats actually the problem .

    1 - SE aims for a diferent player base than NAs and WoW fans

    2 - Mouse camera is regardless of what anyone say, ON BETA STAGE 2 imposible to use.

    3 - Everythin else WORKS CORRECTLY, yes you can play with keyboard JUST FINE, and even better once they put in once again the keybinds for the keyboard.

    4 - SE posted that they would fix the issue with the mouse camera on Stage 3

    5 - Week after ,you come crying for justice in the world, becouse a game doesnt support mouse camera on a beta.

    6 - You call everyone selfish for not giving a S*^t about your oldated demands.

    7 - i take the time to make my third post directed to you and hopefully you understand the FACTS, and wait untill phase 3 like everyone else.

     

  • AlexanderTDAlexanderTD Member Posts: 97

    I didn't even know you can play any decent mmo with controller. Ain't lack of buttons gonna be problem? Now i understand why there's no PVP in FF - they probably need to make all the skills/attacks etc. as drop down/rolliing menus and it takes more time to do something you need with the controller. OR....there's just very simplified combat system that require no more than what controller has to offer, but it's another story...

  • SkieveSkieve Member Posts: 190

    Originally posted by AlexanderTD

    I didn't even know you can play any decent mmo with controller. Ain't lack of buttons gonna be problem? Now i understand why there's no PVP in FF - they probably need to make all the skills/attacks etc. as drop down/rolliing menus and it takes more time to do something you need with the controller. OR....there's just very simplified combat system that require no more than what controller has to offer, but it's another story...

    Controler is just more comfortable,what you say is true to much scrolling, the most effective way to play it is with the keyboard w-o mouse for camera. imho.Unlike what people may say the game is designed to be played with a keyboard, i dare someone say they never used keyboard on XI, even when playing with the controler on ps2.the controler and yes, the mouse is personal preference.At least from SE developers point of view it was  and is why they made somethin similar for 14 until all the complains started from the new player base and old.

    Aparently they were following the same rute on beta, and of late complains for a "normal UI" i mean K/M, they lean to fix the mouse camera thin as well.

  • Silas26Silas26 Member Posts: 51

    FF XIV is a PS3 game.

     

    Just smile at the fact you won't have to buy a PS3 to play the game.

  • MoodsorMoodsor Member UncommonPosts: 712

    Its so adoreable that FFXI fans think they have the right to tell the rest of the MMO industry what they are allowed to like or not like.

    We get it by now, you like the controls, you might even love them, yet by some weird coincidence theres people who like FinalFantasy and would very much like to play it, but prefer a controlscheme they are used to.

    Square has every right to shape their game as they want, but could we quit the whole FFXI fans vs the world mentality ?

    image
  • SkieveSkieve Member Posts: 190

    Originally posted by Velera

    Its so adoreable that FFXI fans think they have the right to tell the rest of the MMO industry what they are allowed to like or not like.

    We get it by now, you like the controls, you might even love them, yet by some weird coincidence theres people who like FinalFantasy and would very much like to play it, but prefer a controlscheme they are used to.

    Square has every right to shape their game as they want, but could we quit the whole FFXI fans vs the world mentality ?

    And by controlscheme im guessing your refering to a wow clone interface,since is what your playing now, right.Exactly this is why SE is not making the game for everyone, but rather their player base.Is what most people fail to see.SE is not aiming at the 10923449398 millions of wow subs, but rather to a diferent player base, unlike every other MMO on the market atm.Is not the fans vs the world, is SE vs the current world of MMOs.

    Regardless if i like it or not( i agree COMPLETLY the mouse should work better)is geting fixed,

  • MLecl0001MLecl0001 Member Posts: 153

    Originally posted by Skieve

    Originally posted by Velera

    Its so adoreable that FFXI fans think they have the right to tell the rest of the MMO industry what they are allowed to like or not like.

    We get it by now, you like the controls, you might even love them, yet by some weird coincidence theres people who like FinalFantasy and would very much like to play it, but prefer a controlscheme they are used to.

    Square has every right to shape their game as they want, but could we quit the whole FFXI fans vs the world mentality ?

    And by controlscheme im guessing your refering to a wow clone interface,since is what your playing now, right.Exactly this is why SE is not making the game for everyone, but rather their player base.Is what most people fail to see.SE is not aiming at the 10923449398 millions of wow subs, but rather to a diferent player base, unlike every other MMO on the market atm.Is not the fans vs the world, is SE vs the current world of MMOs.

    Regardless if i like it or not( i agree COMPLETLY the mouse should work better)is geting fixed,

    Oh yes because WoW created the standard norm control scheme right?  Seriously this whole trying to bash people who dont like your game or something about your game by trying to make some WoW remark is getting old.  I have been using WASD keyboard and mouse combo for a while now, hell I barely remember the days when it was the arrow keys instead of WASD.  

     

    Saying FFXIV needs to clean up their control scheme to make it more accessible to a broader audience is not like people asking for the game to be put on easy mode.  Its not like people are asking for WoW in the FF world, its a simple interface issue.  Keep the old control scheme for the old FFXI players, and make a standard control scheme for any newer players who are used to something more along the lines of the INDUSTRY (not just WoW) norm.

    Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

  • HyanmenHyanmen Member UncommonPosts: 5,357

    ITT: Unique people with their original opinions and arguments

    Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
  • delete5230delete5230 Member EpicPosts: 7,081

    Originally posted by Skieve

    Originally posted by Velera

    Its so adoreable that FFXI fans think they have the right to tell the rest of the MMO industry what they are allowed to like or not like.

    We get it by now, you like the controls, you might even love them, yet by some weird coincidence theres people who like FinalFantasy and would very much like to play it, but prefer a controlscheme they are used to.

    Square has every right to shape their game as they want, but could we quit the whole FFXI fans vs the world mentality ?

    And by controlscheme im guessing your refering to a wow clone interface,since is what your playing now, right.Exactly this is why SE is not making the game for everyone, but rather their player base.Is what most people fail to see.SE is not aiming at the 10923449398 millions of wow subs, but rather to a diferent player base, unlike every other MMO on the market atm.Is not the fans vs the world, is SE vs the current world of MMOs.

    Regardless if i like it or not( i agree COMPLETLY the mouse should work better)is geting fixed,

     So If their only going for a target base of players. We will not see a big hype in the stores, like posters and cardboard stand up's sucking people in ?

  • SkieveSkieve Member Posts: 190

    Originally posted by page

    Originally posted by Skieve


    Originally posted by Velera

    Its so adoreable that FFXI fans think they have the right to tell the rest of the MMO industry what they are allowed to like or not like.

    We get it by now, you like the controls, you might even love them, yet by some weird coincidence theres people who like FinalFantasy and would very much like to play it, but prefer a controlscheme they are used to.

    Square has every right to shape their game as they want, but could we quit the whole FFXI fans vs the world mentality ?

    And by controlscheme im guessing your refering to a wow clone interface,since is what your playing now, right.Exactly this is why SE is not making the game for everyone, but rather their player base.Is what most people fail to see.SE is not aiming at the 10923449398 millions of wow subs, but rather to a diferent player base, unlike every other MMO on the market atm.Is not the fans vs the world, is SE vs the current world of MMOs.

    Regardless if i like it or not( i agree COMPLETLY the mouse should work better)is geting fixed,

     So If their only going for a target base of players. We will not see a big hype in the stores, like posters and cardboard stand up's sucking people in ?

    Doubtfully.

  • HyanmenHyanmen Member UncommonPosts: 5,357

    Originally posted by page

     So If their only going for a target base of players. We will not see a big hype in the stores, like posters and cardboard stand up's sucking people in ?

    Probably not before PS3 version is released. That's where their target audience is.

    Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
  • MoodsorMoodsor Member UncommonPosts: 712

    Originally posted by Skieve

    Originally posted by Velera

    Its so adoreable that FFXI fans think they have the right to tell the rest of the MMO industry what they are allowed to like or not like.

    We get it by now, you like the controls, you might even love them, yet by some weird coincidence theres people who like FinalFantasy and would very much like to play it, but prefer a controlscheme they are used to.

    Square has every right to shape their game as they want, but could we quit the whole FFXI fans vs the world mentality ?

    And by controlscheme im guessing your refering to a wow clone interface,since is what your playing now, right.Exactly this is why SE is not making the game for everyone, but rather their player base.Is what most people fail to see.SE is not aiming at the 10923449398 millions of wow subs, but rather to a diferent player base, unlike every other MMO on the market atm.Is not the fans vs the world, is SE vs the current world of MMOs.

    Regardless if i like it or not( i agree COMPLETLY the mouse should work better)is geting fixed,

    "wow clone interface", fyi WOW did not invent this setup, they might have improved upon it, but I have played MMO's since 1999 in Everquest, so while the majority might have learned it from WOW, the scheme was around way before that.

    You claim people fail to see SE is not aiming at this or that many people, while your absolutely right they have stated they want to provide a new home for their loyal fans, lets not be naive, they are running a business, no self respecting company or businessman would turn down profit.

    And you say its SE vs the current world of MMO's, yet they arent the ones out there telling the rest of us to accept things how they are or gtfo. The only real problem here is page upon page of FFXI fans thinking they for some reason have the right to tell the rest of us what we are allowed to ask for in our games.

    Anyways this is MMORPG.com, freedom of speech reigns heavy in here, unfortunately freedom of thought isnt always included into that factor.

    image
  • cloud8521cloud8521 Member Posts: 878

    who invented WASD?   it started with FPS games where arrows and the mouse were sued but players would change the conrols to WASD because it felt better, and it gave more control ability.  why fight what we gamers created?

  • birdycephonbirdycephon Member UncommonPosts: 1,314

    Originally posted by Velera

    Originally posted by Skieve


    Originally posted by Velera

    Its so adoreable that FFXI fans think they have the right to tell the rest of the MMO industry what they are allowed to like or not like.

    We get it by now, you like the controls, you might even love them, yet by some weird coincidence theres people who like FinalFantasy and would very much like to play it, but prefer a controlscheme they are used to.

    Square has every right to shape their game as they want, but could we quit the whole FFXI fans vs the world mentality ?

    And by controlscheme im guessing your refering to a wow clone interface,since is what your playing now, right.Exactly this is why SE is not making the game for everyone, but rather their player base.Is what most people fail to see.SE is not aiming at the 10923449398 millions of wow subs, but rather to a diferent player base, unlike every other MMO on the market atm.Is not the fans vs the world, is SE vs the current world of MMOs.

    Regardless if i like it or not( i agree COMPLETLY the mouse should work better)is geting fixed,

    "wow clone interface", fyi WOW did not invent this setup, they might have improved upon it, but I have played MMO's since 1999 in Everquest, so while the majority might have learned it from WOW, the scheme was around way before that.

    The action bar was invented before EQ, because Diablo had one.

  • SkieveSkieve Member Posts: 190

    Originally posted by Velera

    Originally posted by Skieve


    Originally posted by Velera

    Its so adoreable that FFXI fans think they have the right to tell the rest of the MMO industry what they are allowed to like or not like.

    We get it by now, you like the controls, you might even love them, yet by some weird coincidence theres people who like FinalFantasy and would very much like to play it, but prefer a controlscheme they are used to.

    Square has every right to shape their game as they want, but could we quit the whole FFXI fans vs the world mentality ?

    And by controlscheme im guessing your refering to a wow clone interface,since is what your playing now, right.Exactly this is why SE is not making the game for everyone, but rather their player base.Is what most people fail to see.SE is not aiming at the 10923449398 millions of wow subs, but rather to a diferent player base, unlike every other MMO on the market atm.Is not the fans vs the world, is SE vs the current world of MMOs.

    Regardless if i like it or not( i agree COMPLETLY the mouse should work better)is geting fixed,

    "wow clone interface", fyi WOW did not invent this setup, they might have improved upon it, but I have played MMO's since 1999 in Everquest, so while the majority might have learned it from WOW, the scheme was around way before that.

    You claim people fail to see SE is not aiming at this or that many people, while your absolutely right they have stated they want to provide a new home for their loyal fans, lets not be naive, they are running a business, no self respecting company or businessman would turn down profit.

    And you say its SE vs the current world of MMO's, yet they arent the ones out there telling the rest of us to accept things how they are or gtfo. The only real problem here is page upon page of FFXI fans thinking they for some reason have the right to tell the rest of us what we are allowed to ask for in our games.

    Anyways this is MMORPG.com, freedom of speech reigns heavy in here, unfortunately freedom of thought isnt always included into that factor.

    Read the OP, and tell me thats not just a fail atempt of a troll,then people complain when fans bring out the "if you dont like it gtfo" cach line.

    The fact remains this isnt a game for everyone, theres no such a thin, and the discussion about controls i already said  i agree with everyone else it should be fixed and it is geting fixed.If you like go ahead and read tanaka´s interviews and such, and you will see the facts behind everythin i have said up until now.

    Im not gonna keep posting and try to explain you why SE is diferent , look for a few posts back to another forum if you care to get a deeper understanding on whats going on with 14.

    edit; oh GOD why did i bring out da"wow" word whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy,

  • SkeeterxiSkeeterxi Member Posts: 265

    All I can say is, if SE wants more customers they will put in standardized keyboard+mouse controls. The biggest threads on the beta forums are about the horrible controls. I was a FFXI vet, played for around 4 years, I have also played many other MMOs like Lotro, AoC, WAR, WoW and a couple others. All that being said, FFXI controls are bad and inefficient if you were to put them into another MMO. They work for FFXI because, this is not an insult, FFXIs game play is very slow. Most FFXI players are used to FFXIs controls so it feels natural to them and they might not understand why people have a problem with it. But to the large majority playing games on PCs they were horrible, and FFXI prob lost quite a lot people due to them, even though the game itself was very successful.

     

    When most of us complain about wanting keyboard+mouse controls it goes beyond just comfort of what we are used too. Its about functionality. Using a mouse to control camera is much more efficient than keyboard turning. When I turn my camera with my mouse, my camera will turn as fast as I move it for example, while turning with keyboard will feel slow and restricting. Mouse just has too much precision. Clicking on an enemy to target instead of tabbing though multiple mobs is another example. Not having to scroll various menus or your inventory is another. Open your bag and click your item in a seconds time, instead of opening your inventory and scrolling through a list of items.

     

    The game should play well with a game pad, it should also play equally well with the standard mouse+keyboard almost all PC games have. Playing a PC game without a mouse, to a PC gamer, would be like playing a console game without joysticks to a console gamer. While old consoles games might be fun without them and hold special places in our hearts, their game play is very out dated and limited.

  • JynxorJynxor Member Posts: 40

    What is so bad about the gamepad?  Are PC players so elite that they can't be made to feel like they playing on a console?  The gamepad just takes the place of the WASD and camera controls in a nice neat package.  Is it that you have to use your thumbs?  And its not keyboard/ mouse vs. gamepad.  It's gamepad/keyboard or keypad.  We actually do type on a keyboard to chat with each other on FFXI.  This way I found a lot easier than playing mainly on keyboard.  On keyboard you have to stop moving to chat or risk getting aggro.  I mean your movement keys are letters you need to chat with.

  • cloud8521cloud8521 Member Posts: 878

    Originally posted by Jynxor

    What is so bad about the gamepad?  Are PC players so elite that they can't be made to feel like they playing on a console?  The gamepad just takes the place of the WASD and camera controls in a nice neat package.  Is it that you have to use your thumbs?  And its not keyboard/ mouse vs. gamepad.  It's gamepad/keyboard or keypad.  We actually do type on a keyboard to chat with each other on FFXI.  This way I found a lot easier than playing mainly on keyboard.  On keyboard you have to stop moving to chat or risk getting aggro.  I mean your movement keys are letters you need to chat with.

    yes but why must someone trying to pick up your game have to conform to your wishes? what if they SUCK with gamepads?

Sign In or Register to comment.