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At no point was this game designed to be a "one class" system.
The game is designed so that maximum efficiency of character play comes from unique combinations of skills culminated from the mastery of multiple magical, melee, and ranged skills (plus a bit of crafting and gathering skills). If you're looking to straight class into end game, move on, there are linear games out there that you can enjoy. If you're looking to experience a new evolution to a customized game play experience, stick around, you'll be happy.
What the people are crying out against here is what they view as reduced playability.
I repeat, the "one class" system is dead. Learn to appreciate a unique game experience, or stick with your WoW clones.
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That's a pretty big assumption to make of "early end-gamers", I've played other games where plenty of my guildmates hit cap months/years (-_-;) before I did..and they just rerolled a new toon to try something different. Sure, there's going to be a few account sellers, but to lump all players who get to cap fast as RMT is a a bit much. Heck, I did the same when I hit cap in CoX, I just made another toon with a different power set. Viola! I was still paying for the game, and still finding something new to do.
Harcdore, or casual, both player types pay the same amount for the game - so why is only one group being forced to change for the sake of the other?
is this really true? maybe they are trying to say rested exp for those who play less... like wow. and its kinda stupid that I have to make another character to play more, one of FF appeal was able to try different classes and stuff with 1 toon and not like a million with wow.
I've gotten it to 20% on 3 classes at once. Guess you don't grind for long.
Haven't seen it above 20% though, but at that point I usually get discouraged and switch chars.
I blame that garbage of a site sankakucomplex for starting this uproar. The information they have on there is totally false. Sigh.
i see the point as they are saying when you get fatigued with one weapon to use another, or maybe switch from meelee dps to casting magic, or go do some gathering and crafting and spend the earned points on those for stats to make you better in combat. the game has plenty to do when they took ff11 and added to it from all accounts. most importantly of all, dont just sit there like a lmp for 4-20 hours not moving, its unhealthy, and the way obamas going at it your unhealthy bs is going to cost me money, and i dont like that. get up, go outside a while and get some fresh air, stop smoking, give up liquor, live life isntead of being a dueche bag!
It was popping up within an hour or so of heavy grinding for me on each class I had above 14. It takes a while to increase in rank and get up to 20%, probably another 2 hours or so of heavy grinding. It really isn't quite as bad as people are making it out to be, but it also isn't good for anyone in my opinion the way the system is now. Nobody in my linkshell seems to be in favor of it, and aside from a few people on these forums who I don't even think are in beta with a character above 14, most people on these forums and the beta forums seem to be complaining about it too.
It really isn't a matter of how bad the surplus is, it's just the fact they are trying to appeal to casuals by punishing the hardcore, which even most casuals I've talked to think is outrageous.
In my opinion it's nothing to cancel your preorder over. The major uproar over surplus happened after an interview with SE explaining how it worked and that it likely won't be changed, but I'd imagine with all the complaints about it they'll be forced to listen to player feedback on this and at the very least change the system so it's barely noticable.
http://ffxiv.zam.com/story.html?story=23080
I think Tanaka got upset.
Of course they still haven't said what it is. But I'm guessing it's not what everyone thinks it is?
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Apparently so but hey, have to admit they kind of deserve it. I mean clarification on it would do away with confusion and its not like it'd make/break the game dynamics knowing. But if they have to be all "Bush~Cheney secretive~like" well then they deserve it I say! Not like any of us care for more cryptic FF sh*t like AV and what not.
Tanaka tired of "Fatigue" Rumors
It's okay.
We can shut this thread down now before it gets crazy.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Until they clarify what it is, this is to be expected and will continue. It's too bad he was just annoyed but not annoyed enough to actually explain the system. <g>
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
True, but I can at least wait until launch.
For God's sake.. it's less than 30 days away lol.
edit: besides, even AFTER people will still be getting it wrong.
"TO MICHAEL!"
I can't imagine there being a system this harsh at release. I'd be willing to bet it turns into the classic "bonus xp for dormancy" instead of penalizing you for playing long periods
A witty saying proves nothing.
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You people wanted the news that would kill FF14, here it is. This is why you don't preorder.
The simple fact of the matter is, you pay a monthly fee to be able to access the servers. If I can only play 30 hours a month, I want the other 14.25 a month refunded to me. I understand you will have access to the servers, but not being able to play is the same thing. This is just a boneheaded move.
I love it. This is a surefire way to make sure people don't hit max level in the first 2 weeks after launch. After playing "X" number of hours straight, they will just stop gaining XP entirely. Brilliant!
Also, to all casuals who hate this. You brought this on yourselves. You whined hard and forced the industry to change to you. Now the MORE CASUALS are whining and look what you get. Where does it end? Will we ever get our games back (the old school pre WoWers) ?
You are a victim of own agenda.
This won't even fix casual players. Casual players don't get to do things like top level raiding and other content simply because top level raiding really does require some level of commitment. You can become a high- end raider as a casual player (sort of) as long as you;re willing to pug everything and play a dps toon.
Basically, all this will do is ruin the game for everybody and make sure that Square-Enix's stock drops.
A witty saying proves nothing.
-Voltaire
Here is what I am hearing from 90% of the people here
"I only read what the OP posted and haven't taken a look at anything anyone posted to contradict the OPs statements. I also haven't bothered to look up this information myself to see if the OP is correct. DOOM DOOM DOOOOOOOM!"
Seriously, talk about knee-jerk reactions. How about everyone calms down and waits to see how this actually turns out...
Did you all miss the part where Tanaka said it isnt what your all assuming it is?? Or were you all too busy complaining about how it sucks and how the game will suck and how your not gonna play it to read that part?
Oh wait I get it, you think they should tell you what it is, and get your approval for it, before they even test it in thier own game? I see now, you own stock in SE and want to make sure your voice is heard by your board of directors. Sorry, didnt mean to interupt, carry on.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
There was a thread on these forums where a beta player talked about the frustrations of having his favorite class' exp gain being weakened, after playing too long. I can only assume/hope, as I haven't played the beta, that the problem is that a lot of people perceive it as a penalization, rather than what my be a bonus wearing off. That could be where the translation is being messed up. Presentation can mean everything, especially in a fledgling MMORPG.
Personally, I believe they should have just left the exp system from FFXI. This would have helped keep the familiar FFXI fans, myself included, and attracted more players that were curious of a different system, but couldn't get around FFXI's now-dated graphics. Not to mention, attracting those seeking a break from the recent rash of "easy mode" MMOS. Of course, I think there should have been some changes to the FFXI system, otherwise, there wouldn't be much point in making a new game. However, this new system has me a bit concerned. Maybe someone can help me with this, but do you allocate main attribute points, as you gain physical level (not class level)? If so, can you re-allocate those attribute points, when you change a class? It would seem silly, maybe worthless, to have a Marauder class with high INT / WIS and low STR/DEX, because I've mainly leveled my Conjurer class and conjurers don't benefit from STR/DEX. I sincerely hope that the system isn't this broken. I also hope that there aim to attract casual gamers hasn't attracted the crowd of players who care little about social consequence. That would possibly kill the greatest aspect of FFXI, the community.
I still want to try this game for myself and I'm trying to keep an open mind, as I'm a big FF fan for about 20 years and I think FFXI was/is easily the best MMORPG out there. But, Square isn't saying or doing anything yet to help me with those concerns. I will still buy a copy of this game cause I have to see for myself if, what I believe to be the best RPG developer ever, has truly screwed up so badly.
The thing I find most amazing about all of this is that if it really is something different as Tanaka claims why don't SE come out and explain what it is then? True or not this is hurting their game big time and their usual apathy for customer relations only allows for those rumours to fester.
Just tell people what it is FFS!
as I posted, I just copied faithfully the thread I found on Onrpg.com
and if you bothered to check the second link i provided (sankaku complex) you would realize that their article is exactly the same I copied.
The only edit I did to the OP was to fix the links that didnt work on the first copy-paste
They are fanboys. They will say what they say, but never provide any evidence to support it.
Oh I did go to your links, and I did the same thing and copied the text from that very page. Strange part is, the link copied over for me with out any edit at all. Maybe I did a copy paste that was different than your copy paste.
The bad thing you did in the OP wasn't with that you didnt copy and paste it exactly like it was there, but you failed to include the context of your post. You put it out as direct quotes from SE instead of a quote from an opinion columnists article which didnt in fact use direct quotes from SE. The columnist combined random facts from different sources and assumed he knew what the issue was when he wrote his fictional story. The fictional story you further reinforced by posting it here out of context.
Not to worry though, no harm done, as it appears Mr Tanaka spoke up and corrected the wave of histaria before it caused an extraplanetary melt down.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Care to share with us what he has spoken up about?