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Why sure! In case you missed it on page 7 of this very thread...
"Foreign sites have lots of false rumors. They throw together words and fabricate remarks. Then Japanese sites take this and further [falsify it through] mistranslation. The fatigue point criticism has absolutely nothing to do with the actual [system] and is just full of wild ideas."
And for those not aware - this is one of the 'Foriegn sites' he is talking about, and the people in these multiple threads are the ones he is saying "throw together words and fabricate remarks". But if you read it carefully you will see where he states something along the lines of "The fatigue point criticism has absolutely nothing to do with the actual [system] and is just full of wild ideas."
Is that what you were looking for?
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Thanks, and where does he explain what the system really is?
again, the article copied here and the article in sankaku are exactly the same to the last comma. If there´s a lack of context it comes from the source, not from me.
and if you ask me fanbois are easily to please, Tanaka did the basic version of "no u" without adding facts of their own. considering that he should know how the system works, hs reluctancy to speak clearly at the light of a "wave of histeria" (your words, not mine) says volumes about the issue at hand.
histeria? lol, probably the article was too alarmist and exagerated, but the fact remains, a fatigue system regardless its implementation will be something that western players will abhor, specially in a P2P model placing restrictions to how and how much you can play is ludicrous, and the guy fully knows that the least its explained before he can rack up box sales, the better...
He doesn't, but of course I'm not arrogant enough to believe that someone in his position is required to tell us anything about the things his company and development team are testing in a game they haven't yet release to the public or charged anyone any money to play yet. I know some here believe he is required to do so, but I dont.
Once he charges people money for his product, then sure he should tell us whats in it so we can make an informed decision on if we wish to pay for it. But until that point I honestly believe he has the right to test his own software anyway he wants without getting the approval of people he neither knows nor gave any monetary contributions to his company or said product development.
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Aha, so we don't know coz he didn't explain.
Well then he should not be surprised by the reactions it has caused.
Very stupid strategy imo, it is causing a lot of damage to a product that's allready got some controversies to shake.
Now see, there you go assuming everyone believes as you do. Unfortunately I am a 'western player' and I do NOT abhor what I see so far on this topic. I however do not think it opporates or has anythign to do with the fabricated belief that surplus does in fact mean fatigue - which so many here do. I tend to think they have 2 seperate functions with 2 seperate end results in mind. I dont howver presume I KNOW what SE has in mind, so I am not going to come on a public forum and causing a riot based off my own assumptions.
The entire comment above "specially in a P2P model placing restrictions to how and how much you can play is ludicrous" is nothing more than a complete biased opinion based on no facts at all, and with only one intent, to try and persuade others on these forums to believe as you do and pre-hate this game. You do not in any way have any facts that prove they are restricting HOW MUCH YOU CAN PLAY. Noone yet has said that any system in BETA forces you to log off the game after a certain period of time, even though some here have gone so far as to say they will only be allowed to play for 30 hours a month once the game is released next month (no clue how they got that one yet).
Even your comment on how you believe he is purposely not telling you what you want to hear, just so you wont know and still buy his game...come on, please. You have been watching too my CNN and listening to too many partisan politicians. Real people, who run real companies, dont really go out of thier way to screw thier customers. Especially Japanese compaies. They still have honor codes over there, doing that kind of dishonest behavior can cost them thier jobs or more.
Coments like this one is what started and fed the hysteria on this issue, and anyone who isnt trying to push it further would see that for what it is. Not saying you are, I'm just saying.
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Nobody knows what they have in mind since ... they didn't explain.
This does not mean people can not be woried about it.
Just like your idea of the system might be valid so is the fatigue idea!
And what if it is like the fatigue system ... well you will be thanking the God's on your bare knees that evryone got all worked up about it, resulting in a change/removal of the system.
This is the problem with certain people, they treat criticism in any shape or form as a direct attack on their game, without even thinking about what the criticism is really about and what it tries to do ... avoid clusterfucks.
Hmm you lost me here, are you saying that he is required to tell us what he does in his own house on his own product BEFORE he even puts it up for sale? You really believe he is huh?
And yes he should be surprised, he should be angry as hell in my opinion that a group of people who have nothing to do with his product are out making up lies about his team and product and causing others to lose faith in the honesty and integrity of his company. At no fault of his own! How would you react if someone here started spreading rumors about how you treat your kids in your house, with no facts at all other than they heard someoene say something about what they heard someone else say about how they knew this guy who said he saw it happen? Personally I think he handled that perfectly, your just not happy you didnt get the respect you though you deserved in it.
And just curious on this last one, exactly what are these controversies you speak of regarding his product? More fabrications based on opinion of what someone heard someonelse say somewhere on a forum someplace? Please, do tell. Did his lead developer have an affair with the mail room clerk? They hire VP Biden to do the box cover art? Oh I know, the game only runs on multi-million dollar computers called HAL right?
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just let it go. some people in here are so deep in fanboism denial that FFXIV could cost $300 a month and restrict you to 20 seconds of gameplay weekly and they would still bring bazookas to shot down any trace of criticism.
its ironic that rabid fanbois are always a game's worst enemies, even more than haters.....
You're funny.
The game is in the public domain, isn't it? (btw my kids aren't, so that stretches the validity of your comparison).
In case you didn't know, you're on the internetz, evryone is entitled to his/her opinion, same as you are, and you seem pretty vocal in spreading yours.
If he is really of the same opion as you, then he is the most naive and stupid director a company has ever had.
But I doubt he is, and he is now at this point assembling a message that is going to end this discussion once and for all.
Thing is, he should've shared the real idea behind this system allready earlier, so to avoid any damage the rumour is doing.
As for the controversies ... controls, high system demands, to name a few.
I suppose hes talking about the idea of charging for more than 1 char, when the normal stuff is up to 10 and very very few games dare to give their players less than 5.
but of course you already know that, reading your reply it sounds more like pure damage control from a rabid fanboi who sees the harsh times are just around the corner and his first reaction is biting...
Personally, I think we should be encouraging companies to try different things and to bring different ideas to the market and while on the surface there sounds like there might be some issues with this idea in particular I think that it is way too premature to be quite so extreme about something that hasn't been finalized yet.
I think that this idea if properly implemented could be fine and could actually enhance the game play a lot so I will buy the game and give it a chance and see how it works out. If not then there is still plenty of room on my shelf for another game that didn't quite suit me.
Good, so you admit we have no clue what they have in mind for this, whatever it is. We dont even know what it does really, other than turn your xp yellow. Scary I know. And sure you canbe worried about that if you want to be, that fine too, can even ocme on public forums and ask what it is, maybe do some research, work together cooperatively to try and see if anyhone can figure out what the yellow means. But thats not what is happening here is it? Its being blown so far out of proportion that some on here are saying things like "you will be thanking the God's on your bare knees that evryone got all worked up about it". God even, we will be thanking God himself on our bare hands and knees even, that we worried about this, whatever it is that turns xp yellow.
And you make a valid point on your last statement, however incorrect by one word. People do treat criticism as a direct attack at times yes, but then again this isnt criticism we are seeing here on this topic is it. This is 90% HOW DARE THEY, and 10% CALM DOWN. Criticism is well thought out, educated, and purposeful. An intent to show fault with a desire to correct AND offering solutions to problems. It is based on fact, and meant to lead to a posative outcome. Crying wolf and threatening harm is not criticism, especially when it is based entirely off opinion and assumption. Stiring up panic is what we had here, mob/riot mentality would be more correct. One person throws a rock, 2 more throw a rock, next thing you know 50 people are throwing rocks, chairs, tables, swinging baseball bats. And only 1 really knows why the first rock was ever thrown, but the damage is still done in the end isn't it. Even if the first rock was tossed just for the sake of tossing a rock.
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You are joking, right?
Tanaka get's a taste of his own medicine and we're supposed to feal responsible that his on going lack of communication is what started this entire thing to begin with? The man just doesn't get it, plain and simple.
I'm not a person that feels entitled to any information the devs don't want to tell us off the bat, but the way he's handling this makes me laugh and is a slap in the face to our intelligence. I'd explain why in a simple concise responce, but i'd rather just post that i'm angry instead.
Holy crap guys, are you all serious?
You take some guy's unfounded nonsense as facts coming straight from the developers then backlash against the developers for not explaining a system in detail that they had no intention of fully describing in the first place?
I'm ashamed to be a part of this community right now. What the hell happened?
The fatigue system isn't any different than WoW's rested XP, it's just called by a different name. You get a bonus for being logged out for a while, then after you're logged in for a while, you get a little less XP. Those are the facts. The article in the OP was pure speculation and doomsaying.
I mean seriously? I could just post up an article on my blog saying "Interview with Square Enix developers: Looks like there's going to be a system in place that makes you switch your characters every 30 minutes, if you don't switch on your own it automatically switches your character, even if you're in combat or don't have a weapon for that job!"
Is that true? No. Did a developer actually say that? No. But apparently tons of people would reply that they were pissed off what SE was doing and cancelling their preorder without actually looking at the factual information before hand.
Are you all just trying to find a reason to hate FFXIV so much that you'll take any speculative BS article that someone posts a link to on here as entirely factual without looking for what the truth is first?
Did I somehow stumble onto foxnews.com?
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Yes, yes I do know what he is talking about, I have read the gripes all over the web from people such as him for weeks now. The sluggish mouse control (which they have already attributed to error software running in the background during a BETA test), the benchmark thats putting out low numbers (even though everyone in BETA says it runs just fine even with low benchmark numbers).
Oh and please stop with the fanboi crap already, thats as bad as calling every issue racist. I'm not a fanboi of Final Fantasy, as a matter of fact the only Final Fantasy game I have ever played is the very first one. I dont even care who SE is to be honest, just another software company to me. If thats a fanboi then we are in serious trouble in the world as that puts every person who knows more than me about SE or has played more Final Fantasy than me more of a fanboi than I am.
The correct term for me is a concerned reader of the MMORPG forums who honestly thinks its wrong to pursecute a game and/or company over fasle data, rumors, and lies. Actually I rather dislike people who make up stuff just for the sake of creating an argument in order to entertain themselves. Which in this case is exactly what I think people are doing here. This occurs on these forums with ever game release over the past 2 years. A month before launch the same people go nuts with ways to discredit a game, or make it seem not worth anyones time or money. It would be nice, in my opinion, if people stopped making stuff up just to get a rise from the doom and gloom crowd.
This thread is to discuss the idea that FFXIV is implimenting a fatigue system, which they are. We are discussing what that system is, and isnt'. Some are attempting to do more than that, and they shouldnt' be. We should be staying on topic.
And for the record, for the third time in this thread, I do not, I repeat, I do NOT think that "harsh times are just around the corner". And no, I do NOT beleive that whatever form the fatigue system is when implimented, that it will cause me to dislike this game to a point where I am not willing to pay my money to buy it, pay my money to play it for at least a couple of months, or cause me to dislike my experience while I am playing it.
I hope that clears this up finally and we can get back to discussing the topic of the thread please.
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I think this this must be a joke of some kind...even those japanese guys wouldnt be so, out of reality to put a fatigue system like this in place...its just a joke for sure.
Well all this rockthrowing could've been prevented if the FF guy just used common sense, used his brains and told everyone wtf this system was about in the first place (but as we speak we still don't know).
By now we all know how the internet mobs react and behave in certain scenarioes. Game directors should make damn sure they know, so stuff like this doesn't happen.
I think this director in particular made a big mistake, not by trying a new system (God forbid we get some innovation going for once), but by neglecting the response by the angry people.
Nobody cares at this point if one is wrong or right, the fact is ... nobody knows. And this is where he goes wrong, he should just tell us wtf this system is about and nip this controversy in the bud.
totally misconceived information right there.
while i believe the players who have been in beta and say they haven't been able to get it above 20% more than the op. I do have one concern still the fact that i know you can change your stats for different jobs but can't you only do that once a day. So if i'm forced to play multiple jobs in a day but can't change my stats around to fit that job it kinda sounds self defeating.
Don't know if the changing stats once a day is true or not but rocsloc videos on youtube is where i heard that.
Sankaku Complex replies to the critics
lReply to Anonymous
02:36 25/08/2010 # ! Inordinate
I like this critique, although I don't agree with the content.
It doesn't appear anywhere else only if you happen to unaware of the existence of the large body of Japanese sites we routinely source (and in some cases are unable to source directly due to the transience and non-English nature of sites like 2ch).
We're not in the pay of gaming companies so we can publish whatever proves popular - unfortunately for those companies this inevitably tends to be controversial news rather than their press releases, and it naturally tends to involve popular things people care about, like Final Fantasy.
If you are looking for evidence of bias, can you identify any uniformly positive coverage of anything here? You could probably sustain the argument that we are uniformly negative about most topics, but is that not the nature of most "news," and a reflection of the audience demand for negative coverage rather than constant praise?
16:24 25/08/2010 # ! Light
What part of reporting what people claim without endorsing that claim do you not understand?
There are at least half a dozen different and contradictory accounts of how the system works from supposed beta testers in the comments to this article alone (many of whom are clearly frothing at the mouth at anything less than worshipful said of Square Enix). Then there are the comments from Japanese players (who may be on a different version for all we know) translated in the article itself, and the vague statements by Square.
Unless Square Enix clarifies exactly how it does work I don't think the confusion will abate any time soon
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Oh really??? Testing out DCUO when the beta hasnt even been released? Sorry, had to point that out.
OMG what are they smoking ... That was the end of the FF XIV for me.
A fatigue system this harsh is a REALLY bad idea.
It's just a different take on the rested xp system already out there. People have no idea what they are talking about and are making assumptions, and most haven't even experienced the system or the game. Give it a rest people you are just looking more and more pathetic.