Regardless of the (usual) ob problems can the people that did get in shed some light on how the game behaves.
We are all anxious to know about the controls, the ui, the combat speed, overall playability, etc.
I know it's a bit early, but is it the pos that alot (before ob) made it out to be or is it a gem in the making?
Keep it civilized,
Thanks.
well im still downloading but its safe to assume the first 10% of leveling will have combat thats slower then hell, all mmos do other then age of conan, i mean really, why do they make the first few levels so dam slow in every single game?!
ui should probably be the one from 11 with whatever new bits tacked on. i hear you have to set your video settings to something that runs decently to not lag the soft mouse out, hopefully a hardware mouse will come since pc is going to be out so far ahead of the ps3 version in march 2011, hardware mouse is a good idea SE!
It is just a game made for Console and PC. Doing this requires a different interface than most are used to. Is it really that hard spending a bit of time and learning a new interface? It takes at the most a day or two to get it down.
They said that hardware mouse would not be in at launch, but if needed would be added later. They also said that UI sluggishness including mouse would be greatly improved in the launch version and is worse in beta due to logging and debugging issues.
None of the MMO's you guys have played could support a controller or be played on a console. It is actually a lot of fun playing an MMO on console so dont' be so close minded. Console games where a controller is all you have requires nestled menus. If it is too much for you to handle though this just won't be the game for you.
As far as confusion, mystery, unmarked npc's, etc. this is key to making FFXI and XIV a much more immersive world. Talk to NPC's, explore, it isn't that hard. Not everything needs a ! and ? to show you exactly what to do and where to go. At least for me it is just an insult to intelligence.
Everything in XIV is not going to be handed to you on a silver platter. You won't be told exactly what to do or where to do it or be given a clear line from point A to B where B is end game. It is just the way the game is, and the devs refuse to change it to be more like WoW. If you can't get past that it just won't be the game for you.
Don't be so quick to judge. You might be hurting yourself with early judgment and letting a unique game pass by in the sea of clones we are stuck with. Try to be a little open minded and maybe you will find something great like I did. Maybe you won't but at least you will have given it a fair shot.
Seffren, I hope you enjoy your session tonight (EU here too), my only advice would be to go with a PS3 or X360 controller from the start. It's the intended media and really eases up the gameplay.
Please do tell us your feedback!
Well I'm seriously thinking of getting me a controller to give this game a fair chance, I know I'm unforgiving when it comes to controls and ui (Darkfall got canned coz I couldn't get passed the horrible ui).
FF11 was the same way with the misleadings and the lack of info, Its not ment to be an easy autorout game. Its supposed to be hardcore if you played there first mmo you would know this.
As far as the Xbox 360 conroller the game supports it you dont have to find some hidden config file to change the controller buttons, Its right there in your start menu in the FF folder.
Also, The mouse is useless. Its just like there first mmo's mouse . Its not WoW stop trying to make it Wow.
Its supposed to be hardcore if you played there first mmo you would know this.
ff11 wasn't hardcore, it was just boring.
lol yeah this game is hardcore alright. if hardcore means the controls suck, the game performance sucks, and it's nearly impossible to get the game client downloaded.
What's all this talk about xbox controllers? Is this an MMO or console trash?
The fact that this game is design for console doesnt meen this is not an MMO, so to be clear this is an mmo for console and PC. I didnt play yet but if this is the same way as FFXI for the control, for me this is good. Playing with my xbox controller give me a better feeling that with my mouse. Well i know that not everyone will like that and they even will be some who will not give a chance to the game because of this but me i dont care about the control, i can manage.
The mouse seemed fine to me. This is the first beta phase that I have been in and I really thought that they must have fixed the mouse issues because I didnt notice any mouse lag at all upon first playing. I did try increasing my graphics settings, and noticed a little bit of mouse lag after doing so. It seems that the key for using the mouse is to not push your pc too hard.
I agree with most that the UI is a bit clunky feeling for menus and stuff.
Other than the UI being clunky, I really enjoyed the little bit that I got to play last night. The world is beautiful and immersive.
It is just a game made for Console and PC. Doing this requires a different interface than most are used to. Is it really that hard spending a bit of time and learning a new interface? It takes at the most a day or two to get it down.
They said that hardware mouse would not be in at launch, but if needed would be added later. They also said that UI sluggishness including mouse would be greatly improved in the launch version and is worse in beta due to logging and debugging issues.
None of the MMO's you guys have played could support a controller or be played on a console. It is actually a lot of fun playing an MMO on console so dont' be so close minded. Console games where a controller is all you have requires nestled menus. If it is too much for you to handle though this just won't be the game for you.
As far as confusion, mystery, unmarked npc's, etc. this is key to making FFXI and XIV a much more immersive world. Talk to NPC's, explore, it isn't that hard. Not everything needs a ! and ? to show you exactly what to do and where to go. At least for me it is just an insult to intelligence.
Everything in XIV is not going to be handed to you on a silver platter. You won't be told exactly what to do or where to do it or be given a clear line from point A to B where B is end game. It is just the way the game is, and the devs refuse to change it to be more like WoW. If you can't get past that it just won't be the game for you.
Don't be so quick to judge. You might be hurting yourself with early judgment and letting a unique game pass by in the sea of clones we are stuck with. Try to be a little open minded and maybe you will find something great like I did. Maybe you won't but at least you will have given it a fair shot.
I totally agree with this statement! You are right on the nail!
In all honesty I had no trouble at all getting used to just using the keyboard and using mouse for clicking targets and rotating camera view. I used the keyboard 90% of the time and only 10% on mouse for talking to npc's, rotating camera and selecting targets. Really just get in game and spend a few mins just getting used to the controls.
Yes, very true that this game gives you no help what so ever in direction of where you should go. Which is AWESOME! It allows you to actually have to think and actually have to read what is going on. If you do not read the dialog you really should not be playing at all cause you will get lost. Map and reading was my key to enjoying this game.
I have however not played since CB2 and I want to know how is the combat speed. If anyone remembers how cb1 and cb2 was you would understand how MISERABLY slow the combat was. Have they speed up the combat some what?
Its supposed to be hardcore if you played there first mmo you would know this.
ff11 wasn't hardcore, it was just boring.
lol yeah this game is hardcore alright. if hardcore means the controls suck, the game performance sucks, and it's nearly impossible to get the game client downloaded.
Well for me FFXI was hardcore compare to any mmo ive played out there. Just one question tough if this is nearly impossible to get the client, how do you know about the control and performance?
The people who enjoy the game are the ones who arent so bull headed they wont get a controller.
What is this some kind of strike? This game is meant to be played simultaneoulsy across 3 platforms, Name one other MMO that is designed for Pc, Xbox and Ps3... oh i know.. Final fantasy 11.
It cost a grand total of 5 bucks to buy a used xbox 360 controller. Even if the mouse wasnt a bit sluggish at the moment, the controller is still so much better for this game, it lets you sit back and relaxx, hours of grinding the controller is much more comfortable, and it takes very little effort to just use the keyboard to start chatting.
It too me all of 20minutes to make using a combination of the 3 second nature, the way these people make it seem like its such an ordeal, id hate to see when htey had to learn to ride a bike without training wheels, apperently something different is a big problem.
If hte interface was like WoW this whole forum would be a different bitchfest, FF14 would suddenly be branded a WoW clone, it has aunique interface, and now the bitchfest is.. we dont want to learn how to use iit.
So silly.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
Regardless of the (usual) ob problems can the people that did get in shed some light on how the game behaves.
We are all anxious to know about the controls, the ui, the combat speed, overall playability, etc.
I know it's a bit early, but is it the pos that alot (before ob) made it out to be or is it a gem in the making?
Keep it civilized,
Thanks.
Quote from ToS:
Beta Tester shall not disclose, publish, distribute, transmit, post, or otherwise make available, directly or indirectly, any Confidential Information to Others. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU MAY NOT POST OR PUBLISH IN ANY WAY YOUR EXPERIENCE IN THE BETA TEST OR YOUR OPINION OF THE NON-RETAIL VERSION OF FINAL FANTASY XIV ONLINE.
However:
Q: Are we allowed to upload screen shots pertaining to FINAL FANTASY XIV on non-commercial websites?
A: Yes, all users who wish to utilize any art, text and logo materials pertaining to FINAL FANTASY XIV on non-commercial websites are subject to the FINAL FANTASY XIV Materials Usage License (http://support.na.sq...&la=1&tag=authc).
I got in last night for a short time. It's stunning to look at, music is great, character creation was fun. Once the first cut scene was over and the first little battle started I noticed the change from FF11, no auto attack. That's a good thing. The UI needs work. Some controls were very FF11 like and felt familiar but others not at all. Now I might be trying to make this new game play like FF11 does and it's not like it in many ways.
The biggest thing that struck me was it felt smaller when in the cities but comparing to FF11. My bad again. Just have to look at this as a whole new game.
Didn't expect too much mouse control since it is a console game fitted to a PC and not the other way around. I'll keep going with it, I think they have something worth keeping on the front burner.
Regardless of the (usual) ob problems can the people that did get in shed some light on how the game behaves.
We are all anxious to know about the controls, the ui, the combat speed, overall playability, etc.
I know it's a bit early, but is it the pos that alot (before ob) made it out to be or is it a gem in the making?
Keep it civilized,
Thanks.
Quote from ToS:
Beta Tester shall not disclose, publish, distribute, transmit, post, or otherwise make available, directly or indirectly, any Confidential Information to Others. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU MAY NOT POST OR PUBLISH IN ANY WAY YOUR EXPERIENCE IN THE BETA TEST OR YOUR OPINION OF THE NON-RETAIL VERSION OF FINAL FANTASY XIV ONLINE.
I thought the NDA was lifted or something? I was all ready to type my experiences (good ones, too!) about the game so far.
The people who enjoy the game are the ones who arent so bull headed they wont get a controller.
So silly.
Bad keyboard and mouse support is the fault of people who are "too bullheaded" to buy a controller?
No but bitching about it over and over again even after they have stated they will fix the problem is,
The game was heavily designed around a controller, the controller does feel more natural, and the people who have tried it agree, now just because you refuse to try it and will juust quit the game rather then use a controller then yes it does.
They are gong to improve the controls for mouse soon theyve said it officially, if that is not enough for you guys, there is nothing more to say.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
I thought the NDA was lifted or something? I was all ready to type my experiences (good ones, too!) about the game so far.
That is a direct copy/paste from the OB ToS
Which makes no sense because so many people are going to be able to play and learn the information about the game since it's open beta now... Hm. Where's the OB ToS at? I never even had to accept a ToS for it.
The people who enjoy the game are the ones who arent so bull headed they wont get a controller.
So silly.
Bad keyboard and mouse support is the fault of people who are "too bullheaded" to buy a controller?
No but bitching about it over and over again even after they have stated they will fix the problem is,
The game was heavily designed around a controller, the controller does feel more natural, and the people who have tried it agree, now just because you refuse to try it and will juust quit the game rather then use a controller then yes it does.
They are gong to improve the controls for mouse soon theyve said it officially, if that is not enough for you guys, there is nothing more to say.
Well in FFXI, you never ever used the mouse. You completely controlled the game with the keyboard. (Ya could use mouse, but keyboard was far superior)
The people who enjoy the game are the ones who arent so bull headed they wont get a controller.
So silly.
Bad keyboard and mouse support is the fault of people who are "too bullheaded" to buy a controller?
No but bitching about it over and over again even after they have stated they will fix the problem is,
The game was heavily designed around a controller, the controller does feel more natural, and the people who have tried it agree, now just because you refuse to try it and will juust quit the game rather then use a controller then yes it does.
They are gong to improve the controls for mouse soon theyve said it officially, if that is not enough for you guys, there is nothing more to say.
Well in FFXI, you never ever used the mouse. You completely controlled the game with the keyboard. (Ya could use mouse, but keyboard was far superior)
You can do the same in this game, but i hate usng 2 hands on the keyboard, the controller is better.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
Who fucking cares... an NDA on an OPEN beta makes no sense, that ToS Is obviously just a cut and copy of the Closed beta ToS, stop playing hall monitor.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
Who fucking cares... an NDA on an OPEN beta makes no sense, that ToS Is obviously just a cut and copy of the Closed beta ToS, stop playing hall monitor.
Oh don't bitch at me. I'm not your guarding, do as you wish.
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well im still downloading but its safe to assume the first 10% of leveling will have combat thats slower then hell, all mmos do other then age of conan, i mean really, why do they make the first few levels so dam slow in every single game?!
ui should probably be the one from 11 with whatever new bits tacked on. i hear you have to set your video settings to something that runs decently to not lag the soft mouse out, hopefully a hardware mouse will come since pc is going to be out so far ahead of the ps3 version in march 2011, hardware mouse is a good idea SE!
It is just a game made for Console and PC. Doing this requires a different interface than most are used to. Is it really that hard spending a bit of time and learning a new interface? It takes at the most a day or two to get it down.
They said that hardware mouse would not be in at launch, but if needed would be added later. They also said that UI sluggishness including mouse would be greatly improved in the launch version and is worse in beta due to logging and debugging issues.
None of the MMO's you guys have played could support a controller or be played on a console. It is actually a lot of fun playing an MMO on console so dont' be so close minded. Console games where a controller is all you have requires nestled menus. If it is too much for you to handle though this just won't be the game for you.
As far as confusion, mystery, unmarked npc's, etc. this is key to making FFXI and XIV a much more immersive world. Talk to NPC's, explore, it isn't that hard. Not everything needs a ! and ? to show you exactly what to do and where to go. At least for me it is just an insult to intelligence.
Everything in XIV is not going to be handed to you on a silver platter. You won't be told exactly what to do or where to do it or be given a clear line from point A to B where B is end game. It is just the way the game is, and the devs refuse to change it to be more like WoW. If you can't get past that it just won't be the game for you.
Don't be so quick to judge. You might be hurting yourself with early judgment and letting a unique game pass by in the sea of clones we are stuck with. Try to be a little open minded and maybe you will find something great like I did. Maybe you won't but at least you will have given it a fair shot.
Well I'm seriously thinking of getting me a controller to give this game a fair chance, I know I'm unforgiving when it comes to controls and ui (Darkfall got canned coz I couldn't get passed the horrible ui).
FF11 was the same way with the misleadings and the lack of info, Its not ment to be an easy autorout game. Its supposed to be hardcore if you played there first mmo you would know this.
As far as the Xbox 360 conroller the game supports it you dont have to find some hidden config file to change the controller buttons, Its right there in your start menu in the FF folder.
Also, The mouse is useless. Its just like there first mmo's mouse . Its not WoW stop trying to make it Wow.
ff11 wasn't hardcore, it was just boring.
lol yeah this game is hardcore alright. if hardcore means the controls suck, the game performance sucks, and it's nearly impossible to get the game client downloaded.
Come on now.
The game is an autoroute game. You get a minimap with all the mobs on it, all the npc, all the pc and all the stats you want.
You lock onto enemies without having to target and it plays with a controller.
The reason people complain is because the game has a clumsy, laggy and terrible UI and control system.
At least be honest.
The fact that this game is design for console doesnt meen this is not an MMO, so to be clear this is an mmo for console and PC. I didnt play yet but if this is the same way as FFXI for the control, for me this is good. Playing with my xbox controller give me a better feeling that with my mouse. Well i know that not everyone will like that and they even will be some who will not give a chance to the game because of this but me i dont care about the control, i can manage.
The mouse seemed fine to me. This is the first beta phase that I have been in and I really thought that they must have fixed the mouse issues because I didnt notice any mouse lag at all upon first playing. I did try increasing my graphics settings, and noticed a little bit of mouse lag after doing so. It seems that the key for using the mouse is to not push your pc too hard.
I agree with most that the UI is a bit clunky feeling for menus and stuff.
Other than the UI being clunky, I really enjoyed the little bit that I got to play last night. The world is beautiful and immersive.
I totally agree with this statement! You are right on the nail!
In all honesty I had no trouble at all getting used to just using the keyboard and using mouse for clicking targets and rotating camera view. I used the keyboard 90% of the time and only 10% on mouse for talking to npc's, rotating camera and selecting targets. Really just get in game and spend a few mins just getting used to the controls.
Yes, very true that this game gives you no help what so ever in direction of where you should go. Which is AWESOME! It allows you to actually have to think and actually have to read what is going on. If you do not read the dialog you really should not be playing at all cause you will get lost. Map and reading was my key to enjoying this game.
I have however not played since CB2 and I want to know how is the combat speed. If anyone remembers how cb1 and cb2 was you would understand how MISERABLY slow the combat was. Have they speed up the combat some what?
Well for me FFXI was hardcore compare to any mmo ive played out there. Just one question tough if this is nearly impossible to get the client, how do you know about the control and performance?
The people who enjoy the game are the ones who arent so bull headed they wont get a controller.
What is this some kind of strike? This game is meant to be played simultaneoulsy across 3 platforms, Name one other MMO that is designed for Pc, Xbox and Ps3... oh i know.. Final fantasy 11.
It cost a grand total of 5 bucks to buy a used xbox 360 controller. Even if the mouse wasnt a bit sluggish at the moment, the controller is still so much better for this game, it lets you sit back and relaxx, hours of grinding the controller is much more comfortable, and it takes very little effort to just use the keyboard to start chatting.
It too me all of 20minutes to make using a combination of the 3 second nature, the way these people make it seem like its such an ordeal, id hate to see when htey had to learn to ride a bike without training wheels, apperently something different is a big problem.
If hte interface was like WoW this whole forum would be a different bitchfest, FF14 would suddenly be branded a WoW clone, it has aunique interface, and now the bitchfest is.. we dont want to learn how to use iit.
So silly.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
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Beta Tester shall not disclose, publish, distribute, transmit, post, or otherwise make available, directly or indirectly, any Confidential Information to Others. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU MAY NOT POST OR PUBLISH IN ANY WAY YOUR EXPERIENCE IN THE BETA TEST OR YOUR OPINION OF THE NON-RETAIL VERSION OF FINAL FANTASY XIV ONLINE.
However:
Q: Are we allowed to upload screen shots pertaining to FINAL FANTASY XIV on non-commercial websites?
A: Yes, all users who wish to utilize any art, text and logo materials pertaining to FINAL FANTASY XIV on non-commercial websites are subject to the FINAL FANTASY XIV Materials Usage License (http://support.na.sq...&la=1&tag=authc).
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So here's my one screenie before the servers crashed this morning:
Bad keyboard and mouse support is the fault of people who are "too bullheaded" to buy a controller?
I got in last night for a short time. It's stunning to look at, music is great, character creation was fun. Once the first cut scene was over and the first little battle started I noticed the change from FF11, no auto attack. That's a good thing. The UI needs work. Some controls were very FF11 like and felt familiar but others not at all. Now I might be trying to make this new game play like FF11 does and it's not like it in many ways.
The biggest thing that struck me was it felt smaller when in the cities but comparing to FF11. My bad again. Just have to look at this as a whole new game.
Didn't expect too much mouse control since it is a console game fitted to a PC and not the other way around. I'll keep going with it, I think they have something worth keeping on the front burner.
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No but bitching about it over and over again even after they have stated they will fix the problem is,
The game was heavily designed around a controller, the controller does feel more natural, and the people who have tried it agree, now just because you refuse to try it and will juust quit the game rather then use a controller then yes it does.
They are gong to improve the controls for mouse soon theyve said it officially, if that is not enough for you guys, there is nothing more to say.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
That is a direct copy/paste from the OB ToS
Which makes no sense because so many people are going to be able to play and learn the information about the game since it's open beta now... Hm. Where's the OB ToS at? I never even had to accept a ToS for it.
Well in FFXI, you never ever used the mouse. You completely controlled the game with the keyboard. (Ya could use mouse, but keyboard was far superior)
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Sure you did. After you spam refreshed to log in the long screen with the Accept ToS to get a key.
Here's your link to the ToS
It's under section 2.6
You can do the same in this game, but i hate usng 2 hands on the keyboard, the controller is better.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
Who fucking cares... an NDA on an OPEN beta makes no sense, that ToS Is obviously just a cut and copy of the Closed beta ToS, stop playing hall monitor.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
I got in, just waiting for the lobby to come up so I can log in, if not I guess my client is fucked, and i'll have to reinstall...
If I don't like the game I wouldn't mind passing off my open beta to someone who might. Gotta get it working for myself though.
Oh don't bitch at me. I'm not your guarding, do as you wish.