So, I think if you like AoC, Aion and Vanguard, then your most likely going to enjoy FFXIV, if you hated those three games, you will most definitely hate FFXIV
Wut?
You even compared it the other way around. Looks like this is a case of accidentally generalizing and not conveying the correct message!
Case closed.
Actually, what he said makes sense. Follow the path of logic here:
If FFXIV movement is like AoC's linear movement (Feature A)
FFXIV crafting is like Vanguard's crafting (Feature
FFXIV Combat animations are like Aion's combat animations (Feature C)
FFXIV consists of Feature A + Feature B + Feature C
If you hated (literally hate. Not "Oh.. it's not for me. I'll move on") AoC, Vanguard, Aion, you hate those features.
If you hate those features and they are what FFXIV consists of, then you're going to hate the game because it has your hated features in it.
This DOES require someone to hate all three games, though. It wouldn't work if you hated two and liked the one game, because then you'd be weighing whether or not that one feature you like is worth liking FFXIV for.
I will say one thing though. There are more than just these three features, so if there were more comparisons of FFXIV to other features in those three games, it'd make it easier.
This is all the threads about FFXIV wrapped into one for a little ease of reading....
Thread Type 1.) Final Fantasy is the Debble!!!
Thread Type 2.) Final Fantasy ain't the debble, its for my Bobby!!!!
Hopefully that helps everyone that's still on the fence.
Will Jesus disapprove if you write out the word "devil," or what the hell is going on there?
The movie Waterboy with Adam Sandler, his name was Bobby, his mother called everything (football as well) "The Debble!!!" (Due to her strong Cajun Accent), until the end when she then changed and said "Football ain't the debble, its for my Bobby!!!"
Sorry, thought everyone had seen "the Waterboy.
You beat me and probably good that you had, as I didn't feel like explaining as much.
Anyhow, I liked your assessment. I myself am still on the fence about whether or not I want to purchase the game. I preordered the CE, so obviously I was looking forward to the game, but I do have a few humps that I'm having trouble getting over.
It's funny you mentioned AoC, as one of my main complaints with FFXIV is the movement as it does remind me of AoC a great deal. For some reason, when playing AoC, it always had this unresponsive feel to it almost like I was walking/running on a slippery or icy surface. FFXIV feels a bit like that.
To me, Aion, another game you mentioned has very precise movement. I love the controls in that game, yet find something to be missing in that game in regards to the story, feel, or world; I can't pinpoint it.
Vanguard was a game I liked in many regards, but like EQII, I just could never get over the character models.
There are many things I love about FFXIV, specifically the storytelling, the graphics, sounds, effects. Basically, the visual/audio and storytelling. However, I just wish they would improve some of the issues that come between the game and its player, ie controls, user interface, etc.
I see this game as having loads of potential, with some quite glaring weakenesses and as you eluded to in your OP, I am hoping that they will be addressed.
So, I think if you like AoC, Aion and Vanguard, then your most likely going to enjoy FFXIV, if you hated those three games, you will most definitely hate FFXIV
Wut?
You even compared it the other way around. Looks like this is a case of accidentally generalizing and not conveying the correct message!
Case closed.
Actually, what he said makes sense. Follow the path of logic here:
If FFXIV movement is like AoC's linear movement (Feature A)
FFXIV crafting is like Vanguard's crafting (Feature
FFXIV Combat animations are like Aion's combat animations (Feature C)
FFXIV consists of Feature A + Feature B + Feature C
If you hated (literally hate. Not "Oh.. it's not for me. I'll move on") AoC, Vanguard, Aion, you hate those features.
If you hate those features and they are what FFXIV consists of, then you're going to hate the game because it has your hated features in it.
This DOES require someone to hate all three games, though. It wouldn't work if you hated two and liked the one game, because then you'd be weighing whether or not that one feature you like is worth liking FFXIV for.
I will say one thing though. There are more than just these three features, so if there were more comparisons of FFXIV to other features in those three games, it'd make it easier.
Yes, I followed that logic but that's not what his conclusion states. He's trying to say if you like Vanguards crafting, AoC's movement, and Aion's combat, you'll like FFXIV. What he ACTUALLY said was if you like Vanguard, FFXIV, and Aion, you'll like FFXIV, which is just assinine.
After having played all through CBT I can safely say the only game this game reminds me of is FFXI. IMO even in the ways listed by the OP (Crafting, combat, environment) it does not resemble Aion, AoC, or Vanguard in anyway. If you enjoy those games, even only in the aspects that the OP uses for comparison, you will not enjoy FFXIV. There are plenty of people that will enjoy this game, but the vast majority of them are FFXI vets.
Based on your post history I can certainly respect your opinion as being honest, however, I do think the areas that I compared them is accurate. AoC, only looking at the feel of traveling around the landscape, I can t count how many time the terrain made me go the long way when I could see where I wanted to be right in front of me, same thing in FFXIV, all the time.
Aion, in terms of how epic the combat moves look (or SE;s attempt at that) just keeps bring to mind Aion for me, maybe its just me though.
Vanguard, this one, its almost the exact same crafting system, with different names and interface, the exact same system, so I dont know how anyone can dispute that one.
All in all, I'm just saying that If you enjoyed all three of those games (all of which are very very different than each other) then I think your type of gamer will most likely enjoy FFXIV.
So, I think if you like AoC, Aion and Vanguard, then your most likely going to enjoy FFXIV, if you hated those three games, you will most definitely hate FFXIV
Wut?
You even compared it the other way around. Looks like this is a case of accidentally generalizing and not conveying the correct message!
Case closed.
Actually, what he said makes sense. Follow the path of logic here:
If FFXIV movement is like AoC's linear movement (Feature A)
FFXIV crafting is like Vanguard's crafting (Feature
FFXIV Combat animations are like Aion's combat animations (Feature C)
FFXIV consists of Feature A + Feature B + Feature C
If you hated (literally hate. Not "Oh.. it's not for me. I'll move on") AoC, Vanguard, Aion, you hate those features.
If you hate those features and they are what FFXIV consists of, then you're going to hate the game because it has your hated features in it.
This DOES require someone to hate all three games, though. It wouldn't work if you hated two and liked the one game, because then you'd be weighing whether or not that one feature you like is worth liking FFXIV for.
I will say one thing though. There are more than just these three features, so if there were more comparisons of FFXIV to other features in those three games, it'd make it easier.
Yes, I followed that logic but that's not what his conclusion states. He's trying to say if you like Vanguards crafting, AoC's movement, and Aion's combat, you'll like FFXIV. What he ACTUALLY said was if you like Vanguard, FFXIV, and Aion, you'll like FFXIV, which is just assinine. What I ACTUALLY said was you will most likely enjoy.
So, I think if you like AoC, Aion and Vanguard, then your most likely going to enjoy FFXIV, if you hated those three games, you will most definitely hate FFXIV
Wut?
You even compared it the other way around. Looks like this is a case of accidentally generalizing and not conveying the correct message!
Case closed.
Actually, what he said makes sense. Follow the path of logic here:
If FFXIV movement is like AoC's linear movement (Feature A)
FFXIV crafting is like Vanguard's crafting (Feature
FFXIV Combat animations are like Aion's combat animations (Feature C)
FFXIV consists of Feature A + Feature B + Feature C
If you hated (literally hate. Not "Oh.. it's not for me. I'll move on") AoC, Vanguard, Aion, you hate those features.
If you hate those features and they are what FFXIV consists of, then you're going to hate the game because it has your hated features in it.
This DOES require someone to hate all three games, though. It wouldn't work if you hated two and liked the one game, because then you'd be weighing whether or not that one feature you like is worth liking FFXIV for.
I will say one thing though. There are more than just these three features, so if there were more comparisons of FFXIV to other features in those three games, it'd make it easier.
Yes, I followed that logic but that's not what his conclusion states. He's trying to say if you like Vanguards crafting, AoC's movement, and Aion's combat, you'll like FFXIV. What he ACTUALLY said was if you like Vanguard, FFXIV, and Aion, you'll like FFXIV, which is just assinine.
Where did he say that if you liked those three games, you'd automatically like FFXIV? The only things I found remotely close was his logic of the opposite argument (The if you hate these three games, you'll hate FFXIV) and him saying "Now for the undecided player, I can tell you this, the best way I can help someone get an idea about FFXIV is to comnpare it to something thats already out" He said the best way to get an idea about the game. Neither of those imply what you're saying, so unless I'm missing it... =[
EDIT: Okay, I see where he said you'll most LIKELY like it. Which means that there's obviously people who aren't going to like it even with those features, so it's not like he was saying it was a "for sure" or automatic thing.
So, I think if you like AoC, Aion and Vanguard, then your most likely going to enjoy FFXIV, if you hated those three games, you will most definitely hate FFXIV
This game plays nothing like those 3...I don't even get the combat, movement, crafting comparisons you made. It seems to me you tried to compare some of the best of those 3 games with FF14...which is quite absurd. I like those 3 games and I do not like ff14 yet...but that could change if they have a decent release.
I would be more inclined to say they compare to these 3 games because ff14 could have just as bad of a release considering what we've seen so far.
I really do look forward in seeing the future of ff14, but I am in no way impressed so far.
...plus i could jump and kill people in those games.
You beat me and probably good that you had, as I didn't feel like explaining as much.
Anyhow, I liked your assessment. I myself am still on the fence about whether or not I want to purchase the game. I preordered the CE, so obviously I was looking forward to the game, but I do have a few humps that I'm having trouble getting over.
It's funny you mentioned AoC, as one of my main complaints with FFXIV is the movement as it does remind me of AoC a great deal. For some reason, when playing AoC, it always had this unresponsive feel to it almost like I was walking/running on a slippery or icy surface. FFXIV feels a bit like that.
To me, Aion, another game you mentioned has very precise movement. I love the controls in that game, yet find something to be missing in that game in regards to the story, feel, or world; I can't pinpoint it.
Vanguard was a game I liked in many regards, but like EQII, I just could never get over the character models.
There are many things I love about FFXIV, specifically the storytelling, the graphics, sounds, effects. Basically, the visual/audio and storytelling. However, I just wish they would improve some of the issues that come between the game and its player, ie controls, user interface, etc.
I see this game as having loads of potential, with some quite glaring weakenesses and as you eluded to in your OP, I am hoping that they will be addressed.
Wow, you know I really have exactly the same feelings about all these games as you. I hope I'm not schizophrenic and posted this myself.
Still, as an FFXI vet I've got years of product loyalty pulling me hard towards their new baby, so I'll definitely be buying it.
To the OP and the guy arguing about which game it resembles....
FFXIV is releasing on console as well. It's as if everyone is forgetting about this.
Unless they produce two separate titles, the two platforms will have to be exactly the same in content and style.
That being said, the PC version is a console port. There is no denying this.
Linear like AoC, perhaps. Crafting like Vangard, maybe. But the bottom line is that it's a console game. The issue of whether or not you'll enjoy the game knowing this should be more prevalent.
FFXIV is releasing on console as well. It's as if everyone is forgetting about this.
Unless they produce two separate titles, the two platforms will have to be exactly the same in content and style.
That being said, the PC version is a console port. There is no denying this.
... But the bottom line is that it's a console game. The issue of whether or not you'll enjoy the game knowing this should be more prevalent.
Imo, this is an old argument that people are trying to apply to FFXIV and it's not accurate. You can call it a 'console port' if that makes you feel good I guess. But it is totally inaccurate from what I've read based on the original meaning of 'console port'. The original meaning was that a console game had its code 'ported' to run on a PC. Usually a half-assed job was done in mapping controller functions to the keyboard. I'm not seeing any evidence that this applies to FFXIV.
What does happen in games that are developed simultaneously for PC & consoles is devs work to keep the two types of controls in sync so that when people move from one to the other things feel basically the same and you don't feel you are gaining or losing abilities depending on which platform you are on. This can result in a different usage of keyboards than are in PC only games but that's completely different than a game that was developed for a console and given a poor mapping to a keyboard.
I have been one of those undecided ones for a while now. I preordered the game and cancelled several times. Depending alot on what I have read about it.
I have played ALOT of MMO's over the years. The first one I played was Final Fantasy XI and I really LOVED that game. The only problem for me was that I have kids and therefor not so much time to play. And little time to play does not match good with FFXI since almost everything in that game requires a party to do
After FFXI I played mostly WoW but also alot of others. Though WoW became my main MMO because it was easy to play and leave whenever needed for the kids and other stuff
But since everything shall be soloable in FFXIV and it feels like they kept many of the aspects and feelings from FFXI I really think I will love this game for many years to come.
I know that if you wanna do the hardest parts in the game it wont be soloable..but that I can live with doing in a party
I just hope that Gilsellers wont get a chance to ruin this game like they did with FFXI
Just wanted to say I agree with some of your comparisons OP. Not sure why most of the other people seem to get on this hate kick.
AOC Landscape comparison - This seems like an easy one to me. Anyone that has played the Tortage turtorial should be able to say the same thing. Both AOC and FFXIV has this feeling of guided direction. The landscape is beautiful, but you aren't free to explore. You have to stick to the paths the game sets before you. You can't climb up that rock to get a better view. Very good comparison there.
Aion combat - Not sure I get this one. Perhaps I haven't played enough in beta. My highest job/class was level 8. I had multiple abilities/spells from different classes, but none of them remind me of Aion combat graphics/effects. So far all of the effects seem kinda bland. The best looking spell I've seen is probably stoneskin. Everything else is pretty subtle. All the combat animations look similar to me. World goes dark, you stab your weapon and a tiny little glitter appears on your enemy.
Vanguard Crafting - Hmm, tough one. Either Vanguard or EQ2 is closest to the crafting aspect. I personally think both Vanguard and EQ2 provide a more enjoyable crafting experience because of the crafting UI. In FFXIV it is just a series of menu clicks...wait, fast, bold, standard. It's not as indepth as Vanguard so I would put it more on par with EQ2. I do however enjoy the gathering mini-games.
So, I think if you like AoC, Aion and Vanguard, then your most likely going to enjoy FFXIV, if you hated those three games, you will most definitely hate FFXIV
This game plays nothing like those 3...I don't even get the combat, movement, crafting comparisons you made. It seems to me you tried to compare some of the best of those 3 games with FF14. Actually, I listed the AoC comparison as a negative, Its one of the only things about AoC and FFXIV that I dont like. The Aion comparison, I said that SE attempted the epic feel that Aion Accomplished, again, just saying that FFXIV came up short but I liked the attempt. The Vanguard comparison, yes, I think thats one of the best features of Vanguard and I do think FFXIV did well on it.
..which is quite absurd. I humbly disagree I like those 3 games and I do not like ff14 yet...but that could change if they have a decent release.
I would be more inclined to say they compare to these 3 games because ff14 could have just as bad of a release considering what we've seen so far.
I really do look forward in seeing the future of ff14, but I am in no way impressed so far.
...plus i could jump and kill people in those games.
Just wanted to say I agree with some of your comparisons OP. Not sure why most of the other people seem to get on this hate kick.
AOC Landscape comparison - This seems like an easy one to me. Anyone that has played the Tortage turtorial should be able to say the same thing. Both AOC and FFXIV has this feeling of guided direction. The landscape is beautiful, but you aren't free to explore. You have to stick to the paths the game sets before you. You can't climb up that rock to get a better view. Very good comparison there.
Aion combat - Not sure I get this one. Perhaps I haven't played enough in beta. My highest job/class was level 8. I had multiple abilities/spells from different classes, but none of them remind me of Aion combat graphics/effects. So far all of the effects seem kinda bland. The best looking spell I've seen is probably stoneskin. Everything else is pretty subtle. All the combat animations look similar to me. World goes dark, you stab your weapon and a tiny little glitter appears on your enemy. Just the feeling I get in every fight, the way my lancer fights reminds me everytime of my Gladiator in Aion, the swirl effects when I swing, the movement, Dont know, it just makes me think of Aion every fight.
Vanguard Crafting - Hmm, tough one. Either Vanguard or EQ2 is closest to the crafting aspect. I personally think both Vanguard and EQ2 provide a more enjoyable crafting experience because of the crafting UI. In FFXIV it is just a series of menu clicks...wait, fast, bold, standard. It's not as indepth as Vanguard so I would put it more on par with EQ2. I do however enjoy the gathering mini-games. Never crafted in EQ2 so it may be like that, but the system for crafting in FFXIV is the exact same system used in Vanguard, as opposed to every other game I have crafted in (Darkfall, UO, DAoC...)
Now, the simple truth is this, FFXIV is as good an MMO as any that has released to date (DAoC not included, nothing has matched DAoC yet). This is an opinion, not a fact.
But just as with all the other MMO's, (yes, that includes WoW and EQ2) it has some flaws, but so did every other game that has come before it, and none of its flaws are any worse than any other games and none of them make SE The Debble!!! Very few MMO's are console ports, this one is very different and cannot compare development-wise to any other MMO aside from FFXI.
But your going to have two types of players, the kind that understand this and just enjoy the game and look forward to its release (like me) hoping they fix the flaws sooner rather than later (and every game always fixes them eventually). I don't know what games you've played, but many large gaping flaws remain in games after years of play...and up until the day they close their MMO doors. Nowhere near every flaw or short coming gets fixed.
And you have the player that sees a flaw and declares the game and it's maker money grubbing lie'in cheats!! And wants everyone to hate the game with them. And then you have players in between who understand the truth of the game..there is both bad and good here. Its not about hate and we have realistic expectations about what (human) software development can overcome. Very few MMO's change drastically over the course of their existence. Very few. Just ask a Star Wars fan.
Now, those of us that are enjoying the game are not automatically fanbois, and those that hate it are not automatically trolls, (though some are) we just all feel strongly about our position. I've noticed that fanbois of FF will self-declare. Most of us with at least something "constructive" can spot ya right away. We know FF fans will put blinders on just so they say they have played every enumeration of FF
Now for the undecided player, I can tell you this, the best way I can help someone get an idea about FFXIV is to comnpare it to something thats already out (nothing is quite like it, but a few games combined can give you a certain feel of it I think)
The landscape (mostly the feel of moving around it, and how linear traveling it feels) puts me in mind of AoC, the combat (mostly SE's attempt at making all the combat moves have a certain epic look) puts me in mind of Aion when I'm playing, and the crafting and harvesting reminds me alot of Vanguard (though much improved over Vanguard).
So, I think if you like AoC, Aion and Vanguard, then your most likely going to enjoy FFXIV, if you hated those three games, you will most definitely hate FFXIV. As has been said by every knowledgeable FF player on these boards: This game is most like FFXI. I see hints of other games in it as well, but the same goes for earlier MMO's.
Oh yeah, my disclaimer ** I love graphics and animations and FFXIV knocked it out of the park on those, so I may be more forgiving because of that.** One place I can partially agree with you, although the camera still needs some work. If you are playing one of the fat guys and fighting a little tiny bug, the camera can be a real pain. Yes, you can move the camera, but then it moves right back. So if you like not seeing what you are attacking (or what's attacking you), then you will love FF. In addition, I did not find the combat animations (at least at sub lvll 10) to be all that spectacular. If mobs did not move forward when they attacked, you'd have very little clue they were actually attacking you. Also, Lancer and conjurer skills were less than impressive. Blizzard? That was a blizzard? Skewer looks like the guy crapped in his pants.
I'm sorry, but I just don't see the comparison to AoC, Aion and Vanguard.
The game just doesn't feel reminiscent of any other MMO, except perhaps FFXI - albeit with different combat / crafting mechanics, lack of clear zone transitions and better graphics.
Now, the simple truth is this, FFXIV is as good an MMO as any that has released to date (DAoC not included, nothing has matched DAoC yet) But just as with all the other MMO's, (yes, that includes WoW and EQ2) it has some flaws, but so did every other game that has come before it, and none of its flaws are any worse than any other games and none of them make SE The Debble!!!
Yes, in a more reasonable world, this should be self-evident. Although, you're trying to smooth over that some games really are more flawed than others. In fact, no two games being the same, it is an inevitability, though difficult to measure exactly what each game's respective worth is. I's not something you should smooth over if you're interested in the truth of the thing.
Originally posted by Quicksand
But your going to have two types of players, the kind that understand this and just enjoy the game and look forward to its release (like me) hoping they fix the flaws sooner rather than later (and every game always fixes them eventually). And you have the player that sees a flaw and declares the game and it's maker money grubbing lie'in cheats!! And wants everyone to hate the game with them.
Now, those of us that are enjoying the game are not automatically fanbois, and those that hate it are not automatically trolls, (though some are) we just all feel strongly about our position.
Lets not be too hasty to sort people into two convenient piles. That said, this is a relatively-accurate descriptor for the greater body of the pro/con threads I've seen around here.
I wouldn't fit perfectly into either mould. I'm bit closer to the former pile, the gamer who's been around the block often enough to overlook a game's flaws to see there's enough deemingly value beneath them. However, at the same time, I see the extent of those flaws in FFXIV to be severe enough as to require immediate (or as close to immediate as possible) action.
So, on one hand I'll refute some con threads if they're baseless enough. However, I'm not above posting my own con threads. You don't give a game a free pass on being sloppy just because it happens to have redeeming value.
Originally posted by Quicksand
Now for the undecided player, I can tell you this, the best way I can help someone get an idea about FFXIV is to comnpare it to something thats already out (nothing is quite like it, but a few games combined can give you a certain feel of it I think)
The landscape (mostly the feel of moving around it, and how linear traveling it feels) puts me in mind of AoC, the combat (mostly SE's attempt at making all the combat moves have a certain epic look) puts me in mind of Aion when I'm playing, and the crafting and harvesting reminds me alot of Vanguard (though much improved over Vanguard)
So, I think if you like AoC, Aion and Vanguard, then your most likely going to enjoy FFXIV, if you hated those three games, you will most definitely hate FFXIV
I appreciate the effort your'e going through to describe to the other players, but the use of gross comparisons to previous existing games is dicey business. I've played a lot of FFXIV and also all these games you're describing here, and each of these comparisons don't make a whole lot of sense to me. You might want to cut down on name-dropping and just describe the details of the specific mechanics, what it is exactly you like and dislike about them.
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Actually, what he said makes sense. Follow the path of logic here:
If FFXIV movement is like AoC's linear movement (Feature A)
FFXIV crafting is like Vanguard's crafting (Feature
FFXIV Combat animations are like Aion's combat animations (Feature C)
FFXIV consists of Feature A + Feature B + Feature C
If you hated (literally hate. Not "Oh.. it's not for me. I'll move on") AoC, Vanguard, Aion, you hate those features.
If you hate those features and they are what FFXIV consists of, then you're going to hate the game because it has your hated features in it.
This DOES require someone to hate all three games, though. It wouldn't work if you hated two and liked the one game, because then you'd be weighing whether or not that one feature you like is worth liking FFXIV for.
I will say one thing though. There are more than just these three features, so if there were more comparisons of FFXIV to other features in those three games, it'd make it easier.
You beat me and probably good that you had, as I didn't feel like explaining as much.
Anyhow, I liked your assessment. I myself am still on the fence about whether or not I want to purchase the game. I preordered the CE, so obviously I was looking forward to the game, but I do have a few humps that I'm having trouble getting over.
It's funny you mentioned AoC, as one of my main complaints with FFXIV is the movement as it does remind me of AoC a great deal. For some reason, when playing AoC, it always had this unresponsive feel to it almost like I was walking/running on a slippery or icy surface. FFXIV feels a bit like that.
To me, Aion, another game you mentioned has very precise movement. I love the controls in that game, yet find something to be missing in that game in regards to the story, feel, or world; I can't pinpoint it.
Vanguard was a game I liked in many regards, but like EQII, I just could never get over the character models.
There are many things I love about FFXIV, specifically the storytelling, the graphics, sounds, effects. Basically, the visual/audio and storytelling. However, I just wish they would improve some of the issues that come between the game and its player, ie controls, user interface, etc.
I see this game as having loads of potential, with some quite glaring weakenesses and as you eluded to in your OP, I am hoping that they will be addressed.
Your fail comment, failed.
Yes, I followed that logic but that's not what his conclusion states. He's trying to say if you like Vanguards crafting, AoC's movement, and Aion's combat, you'll like FFXIV. What he ACTUALLY said was if you like Vanguard, FFXIV, and Aion, you'll like FFXIV, which is just assinine.
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Based on your post history I can certainly respect your opinion as being honest, however, I do think the areas that I compared them is accurate. AoC, only looking at the feel of traveling around the landscape, I can t count how many time the terrain made me go the long way when I could see where I wanted to be right in front of me, same thing in FFXIV, all the time.
Aion, in terms of how epic the combat moves look (or SE;s attempt at that) just keeps bring to mind Aion for me, maybe its just me though.
Vanguard, this one, its almost the exact same crafting system, with different names and interface, the exact same system, so I dont know how anyone can dispute that one.
All in all, I'm just saying that If you enjoyed all three of those games (all of which are very very different than each other) then I think your type of gamer will most likely enjoy FFXIV.
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Where did he say that if you liked those three games, you'd automatically like FFXIV? The only things I found remotely close was his logic of the opposite argument (The if you hate these three games, you'll hate FFXIV) and him saying "Now for the undecided player, I can tell you this, the best way I can help someone get an idea about FFXIV is to comnpare it to something thats already out" He said the best way to get an idea about the game. Neither of those imply what you're saying, so unless I'm missing it... =[
EDIT: Okay, I see where he said you'll most LIKELY like it. Which means that there's obviously people who aren't going to like it even with those features, so it's not like he was saying it was a "for sure" or automatic thing.
This game plays nothing like those 3...I don't even get the combat, movement, crafting comparisons you made. It seems to me you tried to compare some of the best of those 3 games with FF14...which is quite absurd. I like those 3 games and I do not like ff14 yet...but that could change if they have a decent release.
I would be more inclined to say they compare to these 3 games because ff14 could have just as bad of a release considering what we've seen so far.
I really do look forward in seeing the future of ff14, but I am in no way impressed so far.
...plus i could jump and kill people in those games.
Wow, you know I really have exactly the same feelings about all these games as you. I hope I'm not schizophrenic and posted this myself.
Still, as an FFXI vet I've got years of product loyalty pulling me hard towards their new baby, so I'll definitely be buying it.
Lets leave the personal attacks out of the discussion guys. Thanks.
To the OP and the guy arguing about which game it resembles....
FFXIV is releasing on console as well. It's as if everyone is forgetting about this.
Unless they produce two separate titles, the two platforms will have to be exactly the same in content and style.
That being said, the PC version is a console port. There is no denying this.
Linear like AoC, perhaps. Crafting like Vangard, maybe. But the bottom line is that it's a console game. The issue of whether or not you'll enjoy the game knowing this should be more prevalent.
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Imo, this is an old argument that people are trying to apply to FFXIV and it's not accurate. You can call it a 'console port' if that makes you feel good I guess. But it is totally inaccurate from what I've read based on the original meaning of 'console port'. The original meaning was that a console game had its code 'ported' to run on a PC. Usually a half-assed job was done in mapping controller functions to the keyboard. I'm not seeing any evidence that this applies to FFXIV.
What does happen in games that are developed simultaneously for PC & consoles is devs work to keep the two types of controls in sync so that when people move from one to the other things feel basically the same and you don't feel you are gaining or losing abilities depending on which platform you are on. This can result in a different usage of keyboards than are in PC only games but that's completely different than a game that was developed for a console and given a poor mapping to a keyboard.
I have been one of those undecided ones for a while now. I preordered the game and cancelled several times. Depending alot on what I have read about it.
I have played ALOT of MMO's over the years. The first one I played was Final Fantasy XI and I really LOVED that game. The only problem for me was that I have kids and therefor not so much time to play. And little time to play does not match good with FFXI since almost everything in that game requires a party to do
After FFXI I played mostly WoW but also alot of others. Though WoW became my main MMO because it was easy to play and leave whenever needed for the kids and other stuff
But since everything shall be soloable in FFXIV and it feels like they kept many of the aspects and feelings from FFXI I really think I will love this game for many years to come.
I know that if you wanna do the hardest parts in the game it wont be soloable..but that I can live with doing in a party
I just hope that Gilsellers wont get a chance to ruin this game like they did with FFXI
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Just wanted to say I agree with some of your comparisons OP. Not sure why most of the other people seem to get on this hate kick.
AOC Landscape comparison - This seems like an easy one to me. Anyone that has played the Tortage turtorial should be able to say the same thing. Both AOC and FFXIV has this feeling of guided direction. The landscape is beautiful, but you aren't free to explore. You have to stick to the paths the game sets before you. You can't climb up that rock to get a better view. Very good comparison there.
Aion combat - Not sure I get this one. Perhaps I haven't played enough in beta. My highest job/class was level 8. I had multiple abilities/spells from different classes, but none of them remind me of Aion combat graphics/effects. So far all of the effects seem kinda bland. The best looking spell I've seen is probably stoneskin. Everything else is pretty subtle. All the combat animations look similar to me. World goes dark, you stab your weapon and a tiny little glitter appears on your enemy.
Vanguard Crafting - Hmm, tough one. Either Vanguard or EQ2 is closest to the crafting aspect. I personally think both Vanguard and EQ2 provide a more enjoyable crafting experience because of the crafting UI. In FFXIV it is just a series of menu clicks...wait, fast, bold, standard. It's not as indepth as Vanguard so I would put it more on par with EQ2. I do however enjoy the gathering mini-games.
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I'm sorry, but I just don't see the comparison to AoC, Aion and Vanguard.
The game just doesn't feel reminiscent of any other MMO, except perhaps FFXI - albeit with different combat / crafting mechanics, lack of clear zone transitions and better graphics.
Yes, in a more reasonable world, this should be self-evident. Although, you're trying to smooth over that some games really are more flawed than others. In fact, no two games being the same, it is an inevitability, though difficult to measure exactly what each game's respective worth is. I's not something you should smooth over if you're interested in the truth of the thing.
Lets not be too hasty to sort people into two convenient piles. That said, this is a relatively-accurate descriptor for the greater body of the pro/con threads I've seen around here.
I wouldn't fit perfectly into either mould. I'm bit closer to the former pile, the gamer who's been around the block often enough to overlook a game's flaws to see there's enough deemingly value beneath them. However, at the same time, I see the extent of those flaws in FFXIV to be severe enough as to require immediate (or as close to immediate as possible) action.
So, on one hand I'll refute some con threads if they're baseless enough. However, I'm not above posting my own con threads. You don't give a game a free pass on being sloppy just because it happens to have redeeming value.
I appreciate the effort your'e going through to describe to the other players, but the use of gross comparisons to previous existing games is dicey business. I've played a lot of FFXIV and also all these games you're describing here, and each of these comparisons don't make a whole lot of sense to me. You might want to cut down on name-dropping and just describe the details of the specific mechanics, what it is exactly you like and dislike about them.
Is this even allowed? I can't even browse mmorpg anymore without somebody dropping the J-bomb.
On topic, was looking forward to this game but the consensus seems to be pretty negative. Kinda glad I gave up on the 1kb/sec patcher.
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