This game will need much much much more to let me try again. Have been returning after every few months to leave again disappointed a lot. Last time simply had enough. This is actually first time after half year that I read at all any article related to War.
If Darkfall can stick around with 15k subs, I'm sure WAR will manage with a measly 100k...
Agreed but the speculations is more if EA will allow it or not. The had no problem with Terminating Tabula Rasa that had something like 85K players so you can't really be sure (but you can be sure that WAR really should avoid losing 15K players more).
Trusting EA might not be a good idea no matter what and Mythic need to get more players one way or another if nothing else but to prove to EA that the game can support itself.
I have no doubt that WAR could be run for years as long as it have enough players to pay for the servers but the same was true for Tabula rasa and Sims online. No need to panic of course but that doesn't mean that the devs should relax, they need to make the game more fun so more players join.
WAR is fun in the short run but not so much in the long one (opinion). They should fix that, DAoC was the other way around so they should be able to do just that.
I think they're finally moving in the right direction (but it's taken 2 years? LOLOLOLOLOL!)... so we'll see.
Just a word on Tabula Rasa, EA had to let go of the game as they lost the rights to it. I think you either love war or you hate it. I think it helps if you like the warhammer universe. I kinda like WAR at the moment but it is true they need to do something more than add a few adventure packs to the game. Long term war is going to suffer when 2011 hits and the new mmo's start to enter the market. I think a lot of the current brand of mmo's will suffer to be honest when you get down to it, their all the same. I think the free to play model that D&D and LOTR have changed to is going to be more apparent for the current range of mmo's and I hope this help to keep them running. I think developers are afraid to break from the cookie cut mmo at the moment as to avoid alienation. I just hope the new games that are coming to town can deliver what is lacking in the market at the moment. Hey thats just an opinion.
"if Orcs can work together with chaos (what is imo stupid) than skaven can as well"
*Digs out his old CE* I think there is a brief section of the hardback commic that explains this... Nothing earthshattering just the good old magical mind controll trick.
Anyhow Skavens are kinda funky when it comes down to it. It is not so much them not working with others as other not working with them. Altho i belive Dark Elves have tried in the past. Most likley did not turn out to well but as a Warhammer table top gamer for long i know you never let lore get in the way of a good fight.
"if Orcs can work together with chaos (what is imo stupid) than skaven can as well"
*Digs out his old CE* I think there is a brief section of the hardback commic that explains this... Nothing earthshattering just the good old magical mind controll trick.
Anyhow Skavens are kinda funky when it comes down to it. It is not so much them not working with others as other not working with them. Altho i belive Dark Elves have tried in the past. Most likley did not turn out to well but as a Warhammer table top gamer for long i know you never let lore get in the way of a good fight.
"If Orks can be manipulated by Dark Elves (what is IMO completely plausible) than Chaos can manipulate them as well."
"Orcs" are from Tolkein and the other wimpy fantasy IPs. ORKS are Warhammer. Skaven pretty much do their own thing.
Love people that can't stand criticism. If you have not figured it out yet, I feel sorry for you, the game is beyond hope, the design is just flawed beyond repair. I don't see this game making it through next year, they don't have the subs and these changes won't bring many back, just too little too late.
This game is in it's death knells. Just a matter of time before EA pulls the plug.
Folks have been saying this for a year and half....
I'm not much of a Warhammer lore fan, as a matter o fact i know next to nothing about it.
However, folks say that they (bioware/mythic) are "raping" (really bad choice of words imo) the lore. If I'm not mistaken though, they are required to pass everything through Games Workshop, are they not?
From what i have been told, GW is pretty tight on what you can, and can not do with their IP. So who is destroying said lore? And considering we aren't even positive on how they will be implemented.....
Bit ignorant on this subject as i said, i guess i'm just curious more than anything.
If Darkfall can stick around with 15k subs, I'm sure WAR will manage with a measly 100k...
Agreed but the speculations is more if EA will allow it or not. The had no problem with Terminating Tabula Rasa that had something like 85K players so you can't really be sure (but you can be sure that WAR really should avoid losing 15K players more).
I really like the direction the new producer speaks of and the manner she presents things. While it is a little disturbing that 2 years later Mythic is still talking about revitalizing the pvp lakes, the methods sound like a different approach.
"if Orcs can work together with chaos (what is imo stupid) than skaven can as well"
*Digs out his old CE* I think there is a brief section of the hardback commic that explains this... Nothing earthshattering just the good old magical mind controll trick.
Anyhow Skavens are kinda funky when it comes down to it. It is not so much them not working with others as other not working with them. Altho i belive Dark Elves have tried in the past. Most likley did not turn out to well but as a Warhammer table top gamer for long i know you never let lore get in the way of a good fight.
"If Orks can be manipulated by Dark Elves (what is IMO completely plausible) than Chaos can manipulate them as well."
"Orcs" are from Tolkein and the other wimpy fantasy IPs. ORKS are Warhammer. Skaven pretty much do their own thing.
Ork orc orcoid orker orch... You know what i was saying... pointless to pont it out.... About as usefull this this line of text...
Anyhow, I am sure it will be very hard to fit Skavens working "with" the empire... if nothing else becase they do not belive in skavens.. =P But then again lore always have to take the back seat if somehing can not be fitted within lore.
Playing skaven sounds really cool,but you have to EARN it . WAR had potential that it did not live up to,witch i wish it would have..i loved my Chosen. but adding (as one other said) basicly monster play is grasping for survival imo. they should have spent more time and came out with a Good/deep Xpac. but im not a dev, dont know how hard that would be,all i can say is after 6months,a guild that was 200+ and followd WAR 2years prelaunch, and almost everyone is gone just goes to show really,i do kinda hope war can dig it self out of a hole.but as we have seen once you get so deep its REALLY hard to come back.
"if Orcs can work together with chaos (what is imo stupid) than skaven can as well"
*Digs out his old CE* I think there is a brief section of the hardback commic that explains this... Nothing earthshattering just the good old magical mind controll trick.
Anyhow Skavens are kinda funky when it comes down to it. It is not so much them not working with others as other not working with them. Altho i belive Dark Elves have tried in the past. Most likley did not turn out to well but as a Warhammer table top gamer for long i know you never let lore get in the way of a good fight.
"If Orks can be manipulated by Dark Elves (what is IMO completely plausible) than Chaos can manipulate them as well."
"Orcs" are from Tolkein and the other wimpy fantasy IPs. ORKS are Warhammer. Skaven pretty much do their own thing.
Sorry, in Warhammer its Orcs, not Orks.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Love people that can't stand criticism. If you have not figured it out yet, I feel sorry for you, the game is beyond hope, the design is just flawed beyond repair. I don't see this game making it through next year, they don't have the subs and these changes won't bring many back, just too little too late.
This game is in it's death knells. Just a matter of time before EA pulls the plug.
Love people who can't stand other peoples opinion. This kind of stupidity never ends.
If Darkfall can stick around with 15k subs, I'm sure WAR will manage with a measly 100k...
Agreed but the speculations is more if EA will allow it or not. The had no problem with Terminating Tabula Rasa that had something like 85K players so you can't really be sure (but you can be sure that WAR really should avoid losing 15K players more).
Trusting EA might not be a good idea no matter what and Mythic need to get more players one way or another if nothing else but to prove to EA that the game can support itself.
I have no doubt that WAR could be run for years as long as it have enough players to pay for the servers but the same was true for Tabula rasa and Sims online. No need to panic of course but that doesn't mean that the devs should relax, they need to make the game more fun so more players join.
WAR is fun in the short run but not so much in the long one (opinion). They should fix that, DAoC was the other way around so they should be able to do just that.
The main question is how much did EA pour into WAR, how much do they have a reasonable chance to recoup when recurring costs are factored in, and does slashing and burning any expenses related to EA make somebodies corporate balance sheet look better, or prevent a more productive arm of the company from facing cuts?
It's that simple. At this point it does not matter if the game has potential. It does not matter if the population has stabilized at a certain fan level, or if gameplay has been fixed, improved or revolutionarily turned around. WAR lost money on its balance sheets. Lots of it. It is a massive disapointment in turns of revenue generation. Especially when compared to EA's primary competitor. ( and it is not escaping EA executives notice that most of their competitors profit has been coming from "non console games" ie WOW and Starcraft. WAR is what they expected to grab a piece of that pie damnit!). The current trash talking going on between the AB CEO and the EA one does not help WAR in any way. It is a festering pit of resentment, and will never escape that. So the only thing that it lives or dies on is whether or not it can meet ongoing expenses and whether its losses can ever be recouped. Love the game or hate it, at this point it is only a matter of time before it feels the harsh swing of the axe from an EA bean counter in order to protect an executives pet project.
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Good news indeed.
Game was in coma state so I am happy new things are coming.
This game has a lot of pvp/rvr and mostly fun. In fact is the funniest game I know out there.
This is a longshot and maybe just maybe can be a success.
At least we have game for another year
This game will need much much much more to let me try again. Have been returning after every few months to leave again disappointed a lot. Last time simply had enough. This is actually first time after half year that I read at all any article related to War.
I will come back for this... for at least one month.
omg i love skavens soo much maybe i play for one month again
FOR HORNED RAT
I think they're finally moving in the right direction (but it's taken 2 years? LOLOLOLOLOL!)... so we'll see.
Just a word on Tabula Rasa, EA had to let go of the game as they lost the rights to it. I think you either love war or you hate it. I think it helps if you like the warhammer universe. I kinda like WAR at the moment but it is true they need to do something more than add a few adventure packs to the game. Long term war is going to suffer when 2011 hits and the new mmo's start to enter the market. I think a lot of the current brand of mmo's will suffer to be honest when you get down to it, their all the same. I think the free to play model that D&D and LOTR have changed to is going to be more apparent for the current range of mmo's and I hope this help to keep them running. I think developers are afraid to break from the cookie cut mmo at the moment as to avoid alienation. I just hope the new games that are coming to town can deliver what is lacking in the market at the moment. Hey thats just an opinion.
Sparks
"if Orcs can work together with chaos (what is imo stupid) than skaven can as well"
*Digs out his old CE* I think there is a brief section of the hardback commic that explains this... Nothing earthshattering just the good old magical mind controll trick.
Anyhow Skavens are kinda funky when it comes down to it. It is not so much them not working with others as other not working with them. Altho i belive Dark Elves have tried in the past. Most likley did not turn out to well but as a Warhammer table top gamer for long i know you never let lore get in the way of a good fight.
This have been a good conversation
"If Orks can be manipulated by Dark Elves (what is IMO completely plausible) than Chaos can manipulate them as well."
"Orcs" are from Tolkein and the other wimpy fantasy IPs. ORKS are Warhammer. Skaven pretty much do their own thing.
Folks have been saying this for a year and half....
I suppose eventually you will be right.
/shrug
Wow, some interesting features coming. RVR is going to become even more interesting for sure.
Even if the lore gets raped (skavens playing alongside dwarfs??? err.... NO WAY!!!!) even do like I posted before, this is good news.
To all the haters; Do you prefer what SOE is doing with an awesome game like vanguard? DO YOU?
At least they are constantly improving the game.
Lets not forget they have a skeleton crew working on.
Btw don´t think war has 150k subs or even 100k probably 70-80k at best.
I'm not much of a Warhammer lore fan, as a matter o fact i know next to nothing about it.
However, folks say that they (bioware/mythic) are "raping" (really bad choice of words imo) the lore. If I'm not mistaken though, they are required to pass everything through Games Workshop, are they not?
From what i have been told, GW is pretty tight on what you can, and can not do with their IP. So who is destroying said lore? And considering we aren't even positive on how they will be implemented.....
Bit ignorant on this subject as i said, i guess i'm just curious more than anything.
I will definitely be resubbing in the near future.
Steam: Neph
Did you mean NCSoft terminated Tabula Rasa?
@Original Topic
I really like the direction the new producer speaks of and the manner she presents things. While it is a little disturbing that 2 years later Mythic is still talking about revitalizing the pvp lakes, the methods sound like a different approach.
Ork orc orcoid orker orch... You know what i was saying... pointless to pont it out.... About as usefull this this line of text...
Anyhow, I am sure it will be very hard to fit Skavens working "with" the empire... if nothing else becase they do not belive in skavens.. =P But then again lore always have to take the back seat if somehing can not be fitted within lore.
This have been a good conversation
Playing skaven sounds really cool,but you have to EARN it
. WAR had potential that it did not live up to,witch i wish it would have..i loved my Chosen. but adding (as one other said) basicly monster play is grasping for survival imo. they should have spent more time and came out with a Good/deep Xpac. but im not a dev, dont know how hard that would be,all i can say is after 6months,a guild that was 200+ and followd WAR 2years prelaunch, and almost everyone is gone just goes to show really,i do kinda hope war can dig it self out of a hole.but as we have seen once you get so deep its REALLY hard to come back.
Sorry, in Warhammer its Orcs, not Orks.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Orcs in Warhammer.
Orks in Warhammer 40k
This, and just in case anyone tries to argue it, ill just post this link.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Love people who can't stand other peoples opinion. This kind of stupidity never ends.
The main question is how much did EA pour into WAR, how much do they have a reasonable chance to recoup when recurring costs are factored in, and does slashing and burning any expenses related to EA make somebodies corporate balance sheet look better, or prevent a more productive arm of the company from facing cuts?
It's that simple. At this point it does not matter if the game has potential. It does not matter if the population has stabilized at a certain fan level, or if gameplay has been fixed, improved or revolutionarily turned around. WAR lost money on its balance sheets. Lots of it. It is a massive disapointment in turns of revenue generation. Especially when compared to EA's primary competitor. ( and it is not escaping EA executives notice that most of their competitors profit has been coming from "non console games" ie WOW and Starcraft. WAR is what they expected to grab a piece of that pie damnit!). The current trash talking going on between the AB CEO and the EA one does not help WAR in any way. It is a festering pit of resentment, and will never escape that. So the only thing that it lives or dies on is whether or not it can meet ongoing expenses and whether its losses can ever be recouped. Love the game or hate it, at this point it is only a matter of time before it feels the harsh swing of the axe from an EA bean counter in order to protect an executives pet project.