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  • KriosisKriosis Member Posts: 345

    Originally posted by Fdzzaigl

    Originally posted by dinams

    basically this guy

     

    "Ex-Mythic Working Retail says:


    I hear through the grapevine that the shit is hitting the fan over this, hope things turn out well enough for you. I know many people who want to shake your hand, after dealing with this.

    While I do not know about the more recent events described, sounds like what was going on when I was there.

    You didn’t even get into the Tool Support for devs, or the lack there of!

    The items team had to manually make the items before the release (spread sheet, cell by cell) until it was clear they were not going to be done by the 3rd (or was it the 4th?) attempt at release. The guy they had to make a tool to help had 1 month to make it, and after that month, it was crashing, and making broken items.

    I, on my own time off the clock, wrote a replacement tool in less than 12 hours (over 3 days after work) The day I finished the tool, I was fired for ‘not being early’ because of the same management BS you described.

    They were still using MY tool a year later."

     

    Confirmed his credibility.

     

    He really worked in mythic


    How does another guy who alledgedly worked for Mythic back in the day, who tells his own story about internal affairs, confirm what the original poster claimed?

    That's a fallacy, there is no connection between the two.

     

    Furthermore, think about what he says: he knows it all and everyone else is bad, BioWare is making a 300 million dollar game with most of it spend on voice acting and George Lucas is panicking...

    1) This guy claims to work for Mythic on Warhammer. That team is located in Fairfax, Virginia...

    How does he know what goes on in Austin, Texas at the TOR team?

    I thought the exact same thing. He claims he's from Fairfax VA. I don't think he is informed by LA or BioWare on what is happening with TOR. I'm gonna say he's butthurt and stupid. Stupid because he believes he's anonymous.

  • ZERMINUSZERMINUS Member Posts: 241


    Originally posted by sungodra

    Originally posted by Malevil

    Originally posted by sungodra

    Originally posted by dinams
     


     
    You contradict yourself. You question blog credibility, becouse of anonymity and then you say he would never get job in the industry if they would know who he is ... Well thats probably why blog is anonymous ...


     Oh somebody is gonna find out who they are. I am working on it right now. 

    Be careful, if you narc him out someone might narc you out for emailing links to NDA-banned materials.

  • MalevilMalevil Member Posts: 468

    Originally posted by sungodra

    Originally posted by Malevil

    Originally posted by sungodra

    Originally posted by dinams

     

     

    You contradict yourself. You question blog credibility, becouse of anonymity and then you say he would never get job in the industry if they would know who he is ... Well thats probably why blog is anonymous ...

     Oh somebody is gonna find out who they are. I am working on it right now. 

    Good luck . If he is not stupid you will not find. If he is stupid he fully deserves consequeces.

  • thexratedthexrated Member UncommonPosts: 1,368

    Well, I do not mind if ex or still employed people voice their concerns, sometimes it is for a good reason. This is not the case or purpose of the linked blog.

    The blog and the post here in this forum do not seem very credible at all. Many of us who followed Warhammer and who read the rants from Mythic ex-employees, after some them were fired, know of those things already. The blogger seem to have just repeated what was said by others long time ago (TRUTH, as it has been confirmed by actual events) then he injects his LIE/assumptions based on probably nothing but hearsay and his own prejudice.

    There is no reason to take it seriously. Pretty obvious attempt of hostile marketing or another game's fanboi trying his best to discredit SW:TOR.

    The blogger is a troll, that much I am certain, but whether he is a paid hostile marketer, fanboi of other game or fan of more sandboxy games is unclear, perhaps he is all three.

    I suggest reserving your judgement until you get either test it yourself or until more information comes out and people actually have tested it. Currently, comments from people who have played the first few levels seem to be positive. We have to wait for the rest.

    "The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in."

  • sungodrasungodra Member Posts: 1,376

    Originally posted by ZERMINUS

     




    Originally posted by sungodra





    Originally posted by Malevil





    Originally posted by sungodra





    Originally posted by dinams

     










     

    You contradict yourself. You question blog credibility, becouse of anonymity and then you say he would never get job in the industry if they would know who he is ... Well thats probably why blog is anonymous ...






     Oh somebody is gonna find out who they are. I am working on it right now. 



     

    Be careful, if you narc him out someone might narc you out for emailing links to NDA-banned materials.

     I never emailed any links to nda banned material. Nice try.   If there is any out there and you think you can get me in trouble than do so.  Bottom line is the person here does not work or never has worked for EA. They simply posted things we already know about war and then tried to take a shot at TOR, but they offer nothing revealing about the game.

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    "When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"

  • ElikalTWhiteElikalTWhite Member Posts: 7

    Toldja.

    You know, I said about Vanguard it would fail. VG fans flamed me. All the VG fans told me, VG was for hardcore, only for some, it was not *my* sort of game. How often I hear THAT specific excuse.

    I said Warhammer would fall way behind it's aspirations. WAR fans flamed me (and BOY a lot!). I vividly recall how everyone and everyones mom called me names because I had no idea what Warhammer is blah blah.

    I said AoC would falter with that game system. AoC gamers grilled me.

    I even said it once about FFXIV... but again I was stomped and shred to pieces, ppl said FF is great, it isn't for me, I was called many names. Now the truth is out.

    I said it about *every single fail*, and I was flamed *every single time*, and I was always right. Right as in *every time*.

    Now who said, they invested way too much into VO? Who said they are panicking and their devs give obscure answers and often aggressive brush offs?

     

    I am not saying SWTOR is a guaranteed fail. But I say: SWTOR has major flaws. PERIOD. My prediction (as well as advise to Bioware): push it back to late 2011 or early 2012 and rethink your life... err game. They MUST add stuff people seek in MMOs, freedom, variety, not heroic things like crafting and other stuff. None here can really want them to fail, for the consequences would be a catastrophe. Who would invest again huge into AAA MMOs after such a failure?

    Even tho... I must admit after EA destroyed a dozen great creative studios, I didn't expect anything different from the evil that is EA. Origin (Ultima, Wing Commander), Bullfrog (Dungeon Keeper), Westwood (Lands of Lore, C&C)... there is a LONG list of creative studios EA bought and RUINED. Now Mythic and next Bioware? They must leave their lofty "we know better", they must STOP listening to those who are just blind to the weak spots of the game and praise it! They must realize that the critique is their best chance to make the game better, and for that, the need to push it back and rethink some of their approaches. It is the only hope this game has now.

  • CeridithCeridith Member UncommonPosts: 2,980

    Originally posted by Fdzzaigl

    How does another guy who alledgedly worked for Mythic back in the day, who tells his own story about internal affairs, confirm what the original poster claimed?

    That's a fallacy, there is no connection between the two.

     Claiming a fallacy when there isn't one... is a fallacy. The corporate culture of EA speaks for itself with regards to how one can have to do with the other. EA has a reputation to overwork, underpay, and generally just mismanage projects. Sure, some of their games turn out to be gems, but they also have a long line of terrible games as well.

    Furthermore, think about what he says: he knows it all and everyone else is bad, BioWare is making a 300 million dollar game with most of it spend on voice acting and George Lucas is panicking...

    1) This guy claims to work for Mythic on Warhammer. That team is located in Fairfax, Virginia...

    How does he know what goes on in Austin, Texas at the TOR team?

    It's easy for word to get around within a company. Especially when a few members of a team are unhappy, they will tend to vent more to others in the compan when socializing. And yes, it's not uncommon for people of different teams to be communicating even if they don't directly work together. Sometimes employees get shifted around teams, but still talk or otherwise collaborate on some level.

    2) George Lucas is panicking about this game... really? George Lucas... That's just ridiculous, I wonder if Lucas even knows about this game, he has never been involved with much of what went on with his IP beyond the films, that's handled by LucasArts.

    LucasArts is also closely involved with TOR (they do the voice overs and sound he talks about for example), but they are obviously not in contact with the Warhammer team, so how would that guy know what is going on with LucasArts, let alone that he can look into George Lucas's mind...

    George Lucas has a lot invested in SWTOR. It's an immensely big project, in the least from a financial perspective. It's very like being made with the intent of becoming the 'next WoW' so to speak, which would be a massive profit center if they could pull that off.

    Furthermore, GL has plans to rerelease the entire Star Wars series, starting with episode one in 2012, and each consecutive movie each year after. SWTOR is very likely tied up in their marketing strategy to drum up more attention to the Star Wars franchise, in hopes of being able to get the next generation hooked onto it even more. If SWTOR doesn't meet expectations, it could derail their whole marketing plan.

    As per knowing with GL is thinking... that's simple. Again, all it takes is one employee to gossip about their work to collegues. A client manager who interacts with George, or someone who is in a meeting with him, or is hearing the direct spill over from the person who does. It's actually not uncommon for things like that to get around a company.

    The whole blog just screams bullshit.

    I'm not saying the blog is truth, but there's nothing in it that deviates from EA's reputation, nor anything that is improbable. Even if the blogger is lying, the best lies are based on shreds of truth, so there are very likely some problems that he stated which actually do exist if he is.

  • mklinicmklinic Member RarePosts: 2,012

    Originally posted by ElikalTWhite

    I said it about *every single fail*, and I was flamed *every single time*, and I was always right. Right as in *every time*.

    To be fair, I'd be more impressed if you predicted the successes as those seem much fewer and further between ;)

     

    As far as the blog, the OP seems to be responding to questions, so should be easy enough to get him to slip up if it is indeed false. But yeah, can't believe anything you read these days anyhow...

    /begins "back in my day..." ramble

    -mklinic

    "Do something right, no one remembers.
    Do something wrong, no one forgets"
    -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence

  • mrw0lfmrw0lf Member Posts: 2,269

    The blog should be treated with the same level of skepticism with which you should treat EA's (or any companys) marketing of the game.

    Simply put, trust no-ones view but your own, it's the only one where you can be sure of the motivations of the viewpoint (or at least it should be).

    -----
    “The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.”

  • dannydeucedannydeuce Member Posts: 310

    All I took from this is a reminder that I will be buying the retail version as opposed to the digital version.

  • TeiraaTeiraa Member UncommonPosts: 447

    Originally posted by ElikalTWhite

    Toldja.

    Maybe so. But the accurateness of your predictions is much lower when you announce your future interest in certain games. image

     

    BTW: I'm not a SWTOR fan, personally not really impressed with what I've seen so far.

  • ElikalTWhiteElikalTWhite Member Posts: 7

    Originally posted by mklinic

    Originally posted by ElikalTWhite

    I said it about *every single fail*, and I was flamed *every single time*, and I was always right. Right as in *every time*.

    To be fair, I'd be more impressed if you predicted the successes as those seem much fewer and further between ;)

     

    As far as the blog, the OP seems to be responding to questions, so should be easy enough to get him to slip up if it is indeed false. But yeah, can't believe anything you read these days anyhow...

    /begins "back in my day..." ramble

    Keke, yeah ok, if I knew THAT, I wouldn't be here, but a rich stockholder making my own MMOs.

    But then... what successes? I mean, not that there were any in the last few years, not any of real note.

     

    Yeah. It could be hate from the blog poster. Who could blame him... but he seems to know detail, and not wanting to go into all detail again, it 100% fits to everything I see and hear. Just three sniplets.

    A) We have a few months before the release and the solid info is really meager. Say what you want, but that DOES make one suspicious.

    B) I felt the "tone" in which devs and representatives got more "aggressive", like brushing off unwanted question. I always had this feeling they started to act like someone thin skinned... and BOY when there are 300 MILLION bucks involved, I WOULD be nervous.

    C) Even if YOU think SWTOR is great for you - which is ok with me, each to his - you must ackowledge there is a strong doubt and negative attitude towards revealed facts. Space on rails, human player species, legacy system asf. Yes, you CAN call them all  hatebois you know, but when you have so MANY ... it starts to twist in a BAD way.

    It is really spooky how often we saw the very same swing that critique was called hater and whiner. You know, since I am not a wicked person, I didn't write down all the names of ppl who flamed me for VG, WAR, STO, CO, AoC and whatnot... all those same faces who AGAIN praise their games. It isn't my style to memorize names and drag them in the public here. But it happened.

    Since I love Star Wars so much, I really hope Bioware does rethink some of their things.

     

    @Teiraa: It was endless anger and frustration about the futility. I really don't think I am so smart, ya know. I think it actually doesn't take much to see the red flags when a game goes a bad direction. And we have repeated this silly and pointless game SO MANY TIMES... I am just sick and tired to be right. it is every time the same. Some warn - not only me but plenty enough - but in the end fans get the upper hand, critique is silenced and then shit hits the fan. How I just wish to break this pointless cycle which always ends with a bad MMO and everyone disappointed. I mean, I am a huge Star Wars fan for 25 years. Of course I will buy SWTOR. But it may still then be a "meh" game, something I play 1-2 classes and then move on, and yes I *do* think that is a bit meager for $300 million dollars!

  • mverhoevvemverhoevve Member Posts: 56

    [(re: on) http://ealouse.wordpress.com/2010/10/12/hello-world/ ]

    wauw... just WAUW

    Thank you for posting this!! Let the smell out!! WAUW

  • NazgolNazgol Member Posts: 864

    Hmm should I believe an anonymous blog or people who have played the game...

    And why would Lucas care? Its not like Lucast Arts are making the game. Bioware is making it and EA is publishing it. I am sure Lucas is getting money for license of the IP. But I am not sure what he would have to lose from the game if it fails.

    In Bioware we trust!

  • mverhoevvemverhoevve Member Posts: 56

    Originally posted by Nazgol

    Hmm should I believe an anonymous blog or people who have played the game...

    And why would Lucas care? Its not like Lucast Arts are making the game. Bioware is making it and EA is publishing it. I am sure Lucas is getting money for license of the IP. But I am not sure what he would have to lose from the game if it fails.

    It would help if you actually read the blog! He's talking about the people, you big frodo

  • ElikalTWhiteElikalTWhite Member Posts: 7

    Originally posted by Nazgol

    Hmm should I believe an anonymous blog or people who have played the game...

    And why would Lucas care? Its not like Lucast Arts are making the game. Bioware is making it and EA is publishing it. I am sure Lucas is getting money for license of the IP. But I am not sure what he would have to lose from the game if it fails.

    Who can say? But I do think Lucas is generally informed. I can't imagine he is totally oblivious of things. I mean, he IS a businessman after all. I can't imagine he just invests money and then never looks into what is going on.

  • mverhoevvemverhoevve Member Posts: 56

    Originally posted by ElikalTWhite

    Originally posted by Nazgol

    Hmm should I believe an anonymous blog or people who have played the game...

    And why would Lucas care? Its not like Lucast Arts are making the game. Bioware is making it and EA is publishing it. I am sure Lucas is getting money for license of the IP. But I am not sure what he would have to lose from the game if it fails.

    Who can say? But I do think Lucas is generally informed. I can't imagine he is totally oblivious of things. I mean, he IS a businessman after all. I can't imagine he just invests money and then never looks into what is going on.

    How about you both start with reading the actual blog?

  • LittlestuartLittlestuart Member Posts: 36

    300 MILLION HOLY SHIT!!!

    How is EA going to get back all that money? is SWTOR that good? i don't think so.

  • NazgolNazgol Member Posts: 864

    Originally posted by mverhoevve

    Originally posted by ElikalTWhite

    Originally posted by Nazgol

    Hmm should I believe an anonymous blog or people who have played the game...

    And why would Lucas care? Its not like Lucast Arts are making the game. Bioware is making it and EA is publishing it. I am sure Lucas is getting money for license of the IP. But I am not sure what he would have to lose from the game if it fails.

    Who can say? But I do think Lucas is generally informed. I can't imagine he is totally oblivious of things. I mean, he IS a businessman after all. I can't imagine he just invests money and then never looks into what is going on.

    How about you both start with reading the actual blog?

     That doesn't answer the question nor does the blog. What money did Lucas invest? Lucasarts is not developing it. Its Bioware and EA. The only thing he has to do is license the IP.

    In Bioware we trust!

  • mklinicmklinic Member RarePosts: 2,012

    Originally posted by Nazgol

     That doesn't answer the question nor does the blog. What money did Lucas invest? Lucasarts is not developing it. Its Bioware and EA. The only thing he has to do is license the IP.

    And, since the IP is a pretty decent money-maker for him, you have to figure there is some interest in making sure the IP is represented favorably. I get the impression LA had a pretty decent say with SWG and I imagine they are reasonable stake holders with SWTOR (though that is purely speculation on my part).

    This is a complete tangent though. Don't take it as agreement with the numbers put forth in the blog. I get the impression the blog poster is meant to represent the Mythic side of things and just referenced SWTOR for the sake of completeness...

    -mklinic

    "Do something right, no one remembers.
    Do something wrong, no one forgets"
    -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence

  • SuperXero89SuperXero89 Member UncommonPosts: 2,551

    Originally posted by whilan

    Dang Loke beat me to it, yeah Christopher Lee kinda took me by surprise there, wasn't expecting his voice.

    EQ2 did have VO yes, but not to the extent AoC did and even less so then i'm sure ToR will. Hence why i said fully VO, other then may Lucien and a few npcs most of it was text and simple greetings. So while i agree that VO are not new, fully VO in my opinion are new. Or let me better explain VO in the entire game is something new.

    Eh, in terms of voice over content in the original game, there were far more voice overs in EQ2 than in AoC.  Only when they started producing expansion packs and adventure packs did they begin to skimp out on the voice overs.  I think this was primarily because the game simply wasn't in great financial standing at that point and still isn't today.

  • pmaurapmaura Member UncommonPosts: 530

    you all realize this is a disgruntled employee who got fired, and then he listed all the reasons War Hammer failed, and even though none of those people work on tor, he then goes and staw wars sucks too.

    YOu cant believe anything there. He didnt release corporate documents that can prove anything, just raning and raving saying nothing specific.

  • AnubisanAnubisan Member UncommonPosts: 1,798

    A guy recently quit my company and went on a rant very similar to this immediately after. The funny thing is that everyone who actually knows the guy and the situations surrounding his departure knows for certain that 90% of the things he was saying are bullshit. When people quit out of anger or get fired, it is pretty common for them to go on an angry tirade like we see here. I would bet that the reality of the situation is much different than what this jaded soon to be ex-employee would have you believe...

  • XiaokiXiaoki Member EpicPosts: 4,036

    A lot of this could be true but most of it reeks of office gossip, rumors and hearsay.

    http://eatingbees.brokentoys.org/2010/10/13/yes-i-saw-the-louse-blog/

    Sanya has already said that what he said about her is wrong.

  • TUX426TUX426 Member Posts: 1,907

    Originally posted by sungodra

     shocking news?  Somebody that has enough knowledge for a game and a vendetta could make a blog about any game out here and it doesn't make it true.

     

    Cannot believe that people are being this gullable.  This guy may have done his research, or maybe he is an employee about to get laid off, either way he has a personal grudge against this company, so I don't buy any of this BS he is shoveling.  

     

    If TOR sucks, than so be it, I'll find some other game to play. Probably gw2 since I was buying that game, but what if it sucks too?  Hmm tough one, maybe a trip back to SWG , AOC, or just start a new AIOn account, since I actually liked that game.

     

    THis is a fucking game , man. If it winds up failing why do I or most of the other people on here care????? It is not like I own EA BW LA or even work for them. SO , it means absolutley nothing to me.  

    No kidding. Well said sungodra.

    The part that TOTALLY gave it away was "George Lucas is panicking..." Geezus...George created Jar-Jar Binks and didn't give a **edit**, hell, he even threw him back in our face for 2 more **edit**ing movies, this sure as hell doesn't bother him. Not only do I not think he commutes from California to Austin to oversee SW:ToR, he's busy working on SW 3D.

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