i agree that the soloing game in EVE was rated very generous. after 3 years, i am out and i missed the last 2 expansions, so i can just talk about the istuation until late 2008.
it is no problem to solo the PVE content up to level 4 easily , even highest level 5 is partially solable.
of course you could become a trader and/or crafter solo. but it would be harder solo and very hard to cut deals in pvp-zones. actually it is mostly impossible to deal in pvp zones as a stranger.
solo-pvp as a fighter is also possible, but pretty limited to finding idiots, which are an easy victim. ok, some guys soloed with pvp ships worth 20 billions with lots of fun and surprise for their victims, but these crazy guys are very rare and usually got a strong alliance the other day.
whats called endgame in EVE is the battle between the big player-alliances with a strong economy. soloplayers dont play a role in this endgame. even if some guys are soloing for fun only from time to time, if no group- or fleetbattle is announced.
you showed clear bias to digging sandbox games over theme park games.
article fail 2
i could go on and on but ill just leave at this.
Jon Wood, I know the site has to generate traffic based on "volunteer" articles. I get that. But given how many mmorpg fans there are, this is the best you guys can come up with these days?
/facepalm
That's basically my point. If it was thread initiated by a non-articulist, I would say is fine and I could expect the bias to certain type of game. However, this is articule not a normal thread, so I would expect some usefulness more than "I want to look cool saying that STO sucks", pretty childish and unprofessional.
Will I love watching eve's alliance touraments and have been watching them since the 4th one, I found playing the game to be to boring and grindy beyond all hell as a new player. Eve is simply more for the people that have the huge amount of time to invest in it. Sto is more for the people that seek more instant grativication and have far less time to invest.
Weird, I actually play EVE because I see it as not being a grind. I mean come on, I train skills when I'm not playing. How is that a grind?
The skills are part of the problem. An artikel I read about 4 years ago when I played Eve for a bit stated that it would take almost 10 years to fully train every skill in the game, now ofcoarse you really don't need to do that, but I found myself stuck waiting on a skill in order to advance to better equipment, that skill took 47 days to train. Basicly I had to wait 47 days and do nothing then grind for ore or grind missions that are totaly unappealing and take way longer then they should. You take 5 or 6 jumps for you finaly get there and can do the mission and then they expect you to jump all the way back to complete it :S. Doing that for 47 days is imo a huge ass grind. I see and feel more progress in grinding in Aion. Go pvp then? Yeah I would last about 2 seconds with my little ass ship with only low budget equipment and then be stuck grinding again for the money to replace it all. So that's why I consider the game a huge grind.
Originally posted by Fyrex I found myself stuck waiting on a skill in order to advance to better equipment
Stuck? Grind? How about to play the game instead?
It is very much achievable to make 300M to pay for your game just within your trial period. Those people are hardly stuck nor grinding.
I am not saying there is no grind in EVE, but it is the player picking the grind way among other ways the game is offering you. Same applies to your 'stuck problem', it is your choice only.
In no way the game is responsible for the experience you described above.
Lol, this is like saying City of heros vs Champions onlines it isnt even a competition lol Eve online is mega super awesome and trek online was a disappointment IMO. You just cant beat the sandbox aspects of Eve.
I've played Eve and i stopped playing because of sheer boredom. I did the mining, the missions, the trading, manufacturing, etc but after a year it was totally boring. I now play STO and find it pretty entertaining. I will concede STO is rife with bugginess and lacks serious (end game) content. And i dislike the instanced nature of it as much as anyone else, but i see it improving and i like playing it. Ground battles need work, but the space battle in STO kick eve's butt. I never liked Eve's boring space combat.
But like others have said, using colorful metaphors, you can't really compare the two since they are bastly different. Still, i wouldn't mind seeing a comparison once STO was around for as long as EVE has been (7 years). That would probably be a more even fight imo.
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one calling shenanigans on this writer.
MMORPG.com staff, you need to come in and answer to these complaints. Does anyone actually proofread these articles before they go up? If you want to be taken seriously as a news site (and therefore get the almighty dollar you're after), then you need to have some journalistic integrity and standards.
You can't let someone with a clear bias compare two games that are striving for different play styles in an article series that seems like nothing more than flame bait.
Shame on you!
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Originally posted by Blurr I'm glad to see I'm not the only one calling shenanigans on this writer.
MMORPG.com staff, you need to come in and answer to these complaints. Does anyone actually proofread these articles before they go up? If you want to be taken seriously as a news site (and therefore get the almighty dollar you're after), then you need to have some journalistic integrity and standards. You can't let someone with a clear bias compare two games that are striving for different play styles in an article series that seems like nothing more than flame bait. Shame on you!
Originally posted by curzon176 I've played Eve and i stopped playing because of sheer boredom. I did the mining, the missions, the trading, manufacturing, etc but after a year it was totally boring. I now play STO and find it pretty entertaining. I will concede STO is rife with bugginess and lacks serious (end game) content. And i dislike the instanced nature of it as much as anyone else, but i see it improving and i like playing it. Ground battles need work, but the space battle in STO kick eve's butt. I never liked Eve's boring space combat. But like others have said, using colorful metaphors, you can't really compare the two since they are bastly different. Still, i wouldn't mind seeing a comparison once STO was around for as long as EVE has been (7 years). That would probably be a more even fight imo.
That's the only problem everyone faces in EVE - you really gotta involve yourself with the game and not just look for what you can get from it. Once you've tried everything it has as a solo player you hit this wall and become bored, but once you join a corporation and start contributing to the war effort the perspective changes because you're working for a much greater goal than just stuff like farming EXP or grinding for loot like in other MMOs.
Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.
Even if STO is being rated fairly, I have a real hard time buying all 9s and 10s for EVE, so I call BS on the whole thing.
You along with many others seemed to have overlooked this key disclaimer in the article.
"It is important to note that the following is subjective to the author and an opinion piece. Each category is scored out of ten, the winner being the one I deem "right good".
This entire series of articles are in fact flame bait and meant to stir up controversy.
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Wouldn't comparing POTBS to STO be a more better match? given how similar they are, but how vastly superior POTBS is.
EVE Online is a bit too hardcore and niche, STO is more mass market, its an unfair comparisson. You should compare POTBS to STO, its a more logical choice, but POTBS would win out, its combat system is better, its land battles are actually interesting, their customization options are just as good and the game isn't nearly as instanced as STO is.
EVE Online has also had so many extra years of development, so its unfair.
This entire series of articles are in fact flame bait and meant to stir up controversy.
Apparently so. It's a shame. Clearly this site is now nothing more than a joke of a "news" source, intent on selling advertising dollars. (If it had any integrity before anyways)
I've been coming here for the better part of almost seven years, hoping the site would at least gain some legitimacy. I guess the joke's on me.
Ah well, I guess the site will go on pretending like it's articles full of bad writing are more than just a pissing contest to start flame wars, while the rest of the industry pats them on the head and gives them a gold star for effort, trying to hide their snickering. Perhaps one day they'll realize why actual journalism sites get the big bucks.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
OK, Ok. As writer of this series, I take on your criticisms and in later articles will strive to remedy the negatives. As I point out time and time again, these are my opinions, try as I might, I am going to always be subjective- such is being human. Bias is something that nobody can hide, however, this is something I will try to minimize in future.
In regards to your comments that the website is trying to stir up some sort of inter-mmo war. Come on buddy, these articles are meant to be fun and entertaining. They are not the last word in the quality of the game neither or they meant to be pieces of journalistic art. Sure there is an element of debate to them but come on, I'm trying to entertain people on this website first and foremost. Give me a break.
Also, Eve Online versus Star Trek Online- is it a fair comparison? I am going to say yes, as both share a common genre element. Sure, it's sand box versus theme park but on the general idea that these are the foremost representations of Space MMORPGs, I think it fair to consider these worthy of the comparison.
Also, Eve Online versus Star Trek Online- is it a fair comparison? I am going to say yes, as both share a common genre element. Sure, it's sand box versus theme park but on the general idea that these are the foremost representations of Space MMORPGs, I think it fair to consider these worthy of the comparison.
lol.... no it isn't a fair comparison. Not just because it's sandbox vs. themepark though. The reason it isn't a fair comparison is that this just aren't 2 balanced opponents. There was never any question on anyones minds who would be the victor, even the STO fans know that EvE is light years beyond what STO could ever hope to be. You compared basically a name brand item to an off brand item thats been recalled and asked which is better. You just took something that everyone else already knows, wrote up an article on it and said "in your opinion".
I mean come on, you have to see how the article is akin to things as asinine as what I'm writing below.
"In my opinion the world is round, here is an article of mine discussing both theories written in 2010"
"In my opinion Mike Tyson could knock out your average 10 year old boy if they were to fight him, here is why"
"In my opinion I think diet and exercise is better than taking fen-phen"
If anything STO should have been compared to SWG as both are space based plus both have ground combat avatars. In the end though STO would have still lost, even though it tries hard to be the best at what it tried to be.
Kinda knew STO was a dead end when i reached borg space twice within the first week with two characters while cryptic was still desperately trying to impliment lvl40-50 content & raids.
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i agree that the soloing game in EVE was rated very generous. after 3 years, i am out and i missed the last 2 expansions, so i can just talk about the istuation until late 2008.
it is no problem to solo the PVE content up to level 4 easily , even highest level 5 is partially solable.
of course you could become a trader and/or crafter solo. but it would be harder solo and very hard to cut deals in pvp-zones. actually it is mostly impossible to deal in pvp zones as a stranger.
solo-pvp as a fighter is also possible, but pretty limited to finding idiots, which are an easy victim. ok, some guys soloed with pvp ships worth 20 billions with lots of fun and surprise for their victims, but these crazy guys are very rare and usually got a strong alliance the other day.
whats called endgame in EVE is the battle between the big player-alliances with a strong economy. soloplayers dont play a role in this endgame. even if some guys are soloing for fun only from time to time, if no group- or fleetbattle is announced.
played: Everquest I (6 years), EVE (3 years)
months: EQII, Vanguard, Siedler Online, SWTOR, Guild Wars 2
weeks: WoW, Shaiya, Darkfall, Florensia, Entropia, Aion, Lotro, Fallen Earth, Uncharted Waters
days: DDO, RoM, FFXIV, STO, Atlantica, PotBS, Maestia, WAR, AoC, Gods&Heroes, Cultures, RIFT, Forsaken World, Allodds
That's basically my point. If it was thread initiated by a non-articulist, I would say is fine and I could expect the bias to certain type of game. However, this is articule not a normal thread, so I would expect some usefulness more than "I want to look cool saying that STO sucks", pretty childish and unprofessional.
The skills are part of the problem. An artikel I read about 4 years ago when I played Eve for a bit stated that it would take almost 10 years to fully train every skill in the game, now ofcoarse you really don't need to do that, but I found myself stuck waiting on a skill in order to advance to better equipment, that skill took 47 days to train. Basicly I had to wait 47 days and do nothing then grind for ore or grind missions that are totaly unappealing and take way longer then they should. You take 5 or 6 jumps for you finaly get there and can do the mission and then they expect you to jump all the way back to complete it :S. Doing that for 47 days is imo a huge ass grind. I see and feel more progress in grinding in Aion. Go pvp then? Yeah I would last about 2 seconds with my little ass ship with only low budget equipment and then be stuck grinding again for the money to replace it all. So that's why I consider the game a huge grind.
Stuck? Grind? How about to play the game instead?
It is very much achievable to make 300M to pay for your game just within your trial period. Those people are hardly stuck nor grinding.
I am not saying there is no grind in EVE, but it is the player picking the grind way among other ways the game is offering you. Same applies to your 'stuck problem', it is your choice only.
In no way the game is responsible for the experience you described above.
Lol, this is like saying City of heros vs Champions onlines it isnt even a competition lol Eve online is mega super awesome and trek online was a disappointment IMO. You just cant beat the sandbox aspects of Eve.
J. B.
Waht about EvE vs (hypothetically, of course) X3.. if it were made into an mmo.. Oooooooooooo...
I've played Eve and i stopped playing because of sheer boredom. I did the mining, the missions, the trading, manufacturing, etc but after a year it was totally boring. I now play STO and find it pretty entertaining. I will concede STO is rife with bugginess and lacks serious (end game) content. And i dislike the instanced nature of it as much as anyone else, but i see it improving and i like playing it. Ground battles need work, but the space battle in STO kick eve's butt. I never liked Eve's boring space combat.
But like others have said, using colorful metaphors, you can't really compare the two since they are bastly different. Still, i wouldn't mind seeing a comparison once STO was around for as long as EVE has been (7 years). That would probably be a more even fight imo.
Even if STO is being rated fairly, I have a real hard time buying all 9s and 10s for EVE, so I call BS on the whole thing.
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one calling shenanigans on this writer.
MMORPG.com staff, you need to come in and answer to these complaints. Does anyone actually proofread these articles before they go up? If you want to be taken seriously as a news site (and therefore get the almighty dollar you're after), then you need to have some journalistic integrity and standards.
You can't let someone with a clear bias compare two games that are striving for different play styles in an article series that seems like nothing more than flame bait.
Shame on you!
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
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On a side note, I can understand people complaining that this article compares apples to oranges. But is anyone really defending STO at this point?
You along with many others seemed to have overlooked this key disclaimer in the article.
"It is important to note that the following is subjective to the author and an opinion piece. Each category is scored out of ten, the winner being the one I deem "right good".
This entire series of articles are in fact flame bait and meant to stir up controversy.
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Wouldn't comparing POTBS to STO be a more better match? given how similar they are, but how vastly superior POTBS is.
EVE Online is a bit too hardcore and niche, STO is more mass market, its an unfair comparisson. You should compare POTBS to STO, its a more logical choice, but POTBS would win out, its combat system is better, its land battles are actually interesting, their customization options are just as good and the game isn't nearly as instanced as STO is.
EVE Online has also had so many extra years of development, so its unfair.
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush,
Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light,
Company of Heroes II.
I'v never been able to get into eve online. I think it's a good game, but it's not for me at all. I'd rather play STO (not that I do).
STO wins for me...
Apparently so. It's a shame. Clearly this site is now nothing more than a joke of a "news" source, intent on selling advertising dollars. (If it had any integrity before anyways)
I've been coming here for the better part of almost seven years, hoping the site would at least gain some legitimacy. I guess the joke's on me.
Ah well, I guess the site will go on pretending like it's articles full of bad writing are more than just a pissing contest to start flame wars, while the rest of the industry pats them on the head and gives them a gold star for effort, trying to hide their snickering. Perhaps one day they'll realize why actual journalism sites get the big bucks.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
OK, Ok. As writer of this series, I take on your criticisms and in later articles will strive to remedy the negatives. As I point out time and time again, these are my opinions, try as I might, I am going to always be subjective- such is being human. Bias is something that nobody can hide, however, this is something I will try to minimize in future.
In regards to your comments that the website is trying to stir up some sort of inter-mmo war. Come on buddy, these articles are meant to be fun and entertaining. They are not the last word in the quality of the game neither or they meant to be pieces of journalistic art. Sure there is an element of debate to them but come on, I'm trying to entertain people on this website first and foremost. Give me a break.
Also, Eve Online versus Star Trek Online- is it a fair comparison? I am going to say yes, as both share a common genre element. Sure, it's sand box versus theme park but on the general idea that these are the foremost representations of Space MMORPGs, I think it fair to consider these worthy of the comparison.
lol.... no it isn't a fair comparison. Not just because it's sandbox vs. themepark though. The reason it isn't a fair comparison is that this just aren't 2 balanced opponents. There was never any question on anyones minds who would be the victor, even the STO fans know that EvE is light years beyond what STO could ever hope to be. You compared basically a name brand item to an off brand item thats been recalled and asked which is better. You just took something that everyone else already knows, wrote up an article on it and said "in your opinion".
I mean come on, you have to see how the article is akin to things as asinine as what I'm writing below.
"In my opinion the world is round, here is an article of mine discussing both theories written in 2010"
"In my opinion Mike Tyson could knock out your average 10 year old boy if they were to fight him, here is why"
"In my opinion I think diet and exercise is better than taking fen-phen"
lol...
If anything STO should have been compared to SWG as both are space based plus both have ground combat avatars. In the end though STO would have still lost, even though it tries hard to be the best at what it tried to be.
Kinda knew STO was a dead end when i reached borg space twice within the first week with two characters while cryptic was still desperately trying to impliment lvl40-50 content & raids.
Lol First thing that crossed my mind too.