Originally posted by shakermaker0 OK, Ok. As writer of this series, I take on your criticisms and in later articles will strive to remedy the negatives. As I point out time and time again, these are my opinions, try as I might, I am going to always be subjective- such is being human. Bias is something that nobody can hide, however, this is something I will try to minimize in future. In regards to your comments that the website is trying to stir up some sort of inter-mmo war. Come on buddy, these articles are meant to be fun and entertaining. They are not the last word in the quality of the game neither or they meant to be pieces of journalistic art. Sure there is an element of debate to them but come on, I'm trying to entertain people on this website first and foremost. Give me a break. Also, Eve Online versus Star Trek Online- is it a fair comparison? I am going to say yes, as both share a common genre element. Sure, it's sand box versus theme park but on the general idea that these are the foremost representations of Space MMORPGs, I think it fair to consider these worthy of the comparison.
Are you actually paid for your articles? It is a frightening image...
Otherwise as someone already said, it is just a shame on MMORPG.COM for approving something like that on their website.
I won't even comment on your last paragraph that only expose your ignorance even further.
Also, Eve Online versus Star Trek Online- is it a fair comparison? I am going to say yes, as both share a common genre element. Sure, it's sand box versus theme park but on the general idea that these are the foremost representations of Space MMORPGs, I think it fair to consider these worthy of the comparison.
lol.... no it isn't a fair comparison. Not just because it's sandbox vs. themepark though. The reason it isn't a fair comparison is that this just aren't 2 balanced opponents. There was never any question on anyones minds who would be the victor, even the STO fans know that EvE is light years beyond what STO could ever hope to be. You compared basically a name brand item to an off brand item thats been recalled and asked which is better. You just took something that everyone else already knows, wrote up an article on it and said "in your opinion".
I mean come on, you have to see how the article is akin to things as asinine as what I'm writing below.
"In my opinion the world is round, here is an article of mine discussing both theories written in 2010"
"In my opinion Mike Tyson could knock out your average 10 year old boy if they were to fight him, here is why"
"In my opinion I think diet and exercise is better than taking fen-phen"
lol...
Yes , but whose fault is that ? Cryptic launched the game with full knowledge that it wasn't ready . Once they entered the market the gloves were off , putting it mildly , they exposed themselves to criticing and comparison . To say it's not fair is childish and immature. Cryptic bears the responsiblity for releasing a half-assed product in a genre that contains a tough competition and will get tougher with time. Someone needs a nappy , I think.
I'm sure someone has mentioned it, but one huge reason it's not fair...
EVE was released in 2003.
STO was released in 2010.
In 7 years, who knows how good or bad STO will be. It could have 10 races with unique ships and tons of planets to explore. 7 years of development time is a HUGE difference.
EVE is goo, but slow, you need to be a really dedicated playet to achieve anything in EVE. STO is more of your arcade style game, you don't lose your ships, you don't need to mine for days and the universe is pretty instanced. But overall at least NOW, I enjoy STO better. (played EVE since 1995 with breaks, but game is very well made, its just easy to lose yourself in it). STO is good now especially now with their episodic events. Today is next Series starting, cool!.
LOL... what a comparison... having played both... ... ...... ...... oh wait... here comes the announcer...
"In this corner, EVE The Gigantic, with arms so expansive it cant see its fists... And in this corner STO the anorexic... so thin it can hide behind Paris Hilton... So LETS GET READY TO RUM......... ..... ...... It seems STO has fallen over and cant get up.... TKO of STO at 0.00 of the first round... lets go to the STO corner and ask what went wrong... here's head trainer Dip Cryptic... Dip... what happened? Well, we thought just the name STO could draw fans, big bucks, and knock out the compitition. Unfortunately a HUGE head on a skinny foundation just couldn't stand on its own... .... .... That was Dip Cryptic folks.... Looks like a lack of good training to me... lets hope STO makes some changes in its management team, this kids got good breeding and real potential... just needs visionary management willing to put in the time and resources it deserves... Good night everybody"
I'm sure someone has mentioned it, but one huge reason it's not fair...
EVE was released in 2003.
STO was released in 2010.
In 7 years, who knows how good or bad STO will be. It could have 10 races with unique ships and tons of planets to explore. 7 years of development time is a HUGE difference.
You think STO is going to make 7 years, 7 years full of developments and upgrades?
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
Thought I'd take a peek just to see how badly STO got mauled. It's about what I would have expected when a Tiger tank goes bumper to bumber with a Volkswagon Beetle.
We need more space MMOs, damn it.
lool! love the comparison
Same here. The winner was obvious. I only skimmed to see how bad the trashing was
Next week in fight talk: Burning your eyes out vs apples.
I skipped reading this tripe. If it was a marketing effort to build some positive spin for Eve I think they could have found a closer match up that would have provided actual worth to this otherwise crap article.
Damn over 150 posts telling the OP he shouldnt have made this match up... really?
Lets let this one die because with the shear volume of posts this thing has gotten you've shown these guys that they could match up anything and you will all post in its thread lol/
I'm sure someone has mentioned it, but one huge reason it's not fair...
EVE was released in 2003.
STO was released in 2010.
In 7 years, who knows how good or bad STO will be. It could have 10 races with unique ships and tons of planets to explore. 7 years of development time is a HUGE difference.
You think STO is going to make 7 years, 7 years full of developments and upgrades?
I have no clue. But I know that development time is just another reason this comparison should never have been made.
I'm sure someone has mentioned it, but one huge reason it's not fair...
EVE was released in 2003.
STO was released in 2010.
In 7 years, who knows how good or bad STO will be. It could have 10 races with unique ships and tons of planets to explore. 7 years of development time is a HUGE difference.
I think for what was compared the release dates of the games don't matter much if at all. Many of the problems that give STO low marks are based strictly off of design decisions and not a lack of development time, will they add more places to go in the game sure but if it is still designed like open space is now it will always compare unfavorably against EVE which actually feels like a vast expanse of space.
I think we all know older doesn't mean better even in mmorpgs Dark And Light is now an older game and is still worse than most anything released since it.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I think this whole article is just this sites way of rectifying that over-generous pandering re-review of STO they did not too long ago. I can see the staff being mad and embarrassed over having to put out an obviously fluff review like that. Maybe this is payback or at least a small way of getting back the respect they lost for being Cryptic's public relation whore.
I'm sure someone has mentioned it, but one huge reason it's not fair...
EVE was released in 2003.
STO was released in 2010.
In 7 years, who knows how good or bad STO will be. It could have 10 races with unique ships and tons of planets to explore. 7 years of development time is a HUGE difference.
You think STO is going to make 7 years, 7 years full of developments and upgrades?
It is true. I might not happen, but i might happen. Being a successful prophet is a hard thing to do. 7 years from now it might not exists mmos as we know them.
Eve was not that good from day 1, it built its stuff little by little over the years.
I agree with another poster that said tha STO vs. SWG could be a more interesting comparison. I would go further and compare STO vs. SWG before vs. SWG after the big change.
If the actual objective is to criticize STO there are tons of threads about it.
I agree, this was a slaughter all the way, but it would be interesting to see it done again in about a year or so when SWTOR is released and has at least 6 months under its belt.
really cant compare the 2 EvE and SW anyway. SWtor is mainly base on the ground with Space combat as flavor. EvE is all Space,STO was mostly Space with ground added for (well if you can call it) flavor/atmosphere.
I'm sure someone has mentioned it, but one huge reason it's not fair...
EVE was released in 2003.
STO was released in 2010.
In 7 years, who knows how good or bad STO will be. It could have 10 races with unique ships and tons of planets to explore. 7 years of development time is a HUGE difference.
I think for what was compared the release dates of the games don't matter much if at all. Many of the problems that give STO low marks are based strictly off of design decisions and not a lack of development time, will they add more places to go in the game sure but if it is still designed like open space is now it will always compare unfavorably against EVE which actually feels like a vast expanse of space.
I think we all know older doesn't mean better even in mmorpgs Dark And Light is now an older game and is still worse than most anything released since it.
When EVE was released, according to most people, it was terrible. It had about 25k subs for that first year and people generally regarded it in a negative way.
Compare the current STO with that EVE and you might have a fair fight.
Older does not equal better. However, EVE has done an excellent job with it's game in the last 7 years in my opinion. I think that pairing these two up was ridiculous in many ways. I view having 7 extra years to develop as an extra reason why they never should have been compared.
I'm sure someone has mentioned it, but one huge reason it's not fair...
EVE was released in 2003.
STO was released in 2010.
In 7 years, who knows how good or bad STO will be. It could have 10 races with unique ships and tons of planets to explore. 7 years of development time is a HUGE difference.
I think for what was compared the release dates of the games don't matter much if at all. Many of the problems that give STO low marks are based strictly off of design decisions and not a lack of development time, will they add more places to go in the game sure but if it is still designed like open space is now it will always compare unfavorably against EVE which actually feels like a vast expanse of space.
I think we all know older doesn't mean better even in mmorpgs Dark And Light is now an older game and is still worse than most anything released since it.
When EVE was released, according to most people, it was terrible. It had about 25k subs for that first year and people generally regarded it in a negative way.
Compare the current STO with that EVE and you might have a fair fight.
Older does not equal better. However, EVE has done an excellent job with it's game in the last 7 years in my opinion. I think that pairing these two up was ridiculous in many ways. I view having 7 extra years to develop as an extra reason why they never should have been compared.
In some ways your correct, these are 2 games that really shouldnt have been compared, though i can't imagine what games you can compare with STO that would put it in a more favourable light, even comparing it to Earth and Beyond - which recently restarted btw, and amazingly.. STO still compares badly, but even if you compare STO with Eve in its early stages, it really doesnt change things much, Eve has evolved for sure, but even back then it was a 'huge' game, the 'game universe' is its selling point, the tools which players have to forge their adventures, may not have been as refined as they are today, but hell, their a lot better than STO had/currently has. But the games are too dissimilar, STO should have been released as a Morpg.. which is what cryptic is doing with Neverwinter, with monthly 'releases' the main game being free to play.. but im guessing the 'releases' are no more than adventure packs that you have to buy in their 'cash shop' .. anyway.. did anyone expect Eve not to win this particular comparation ?
Controversy between game titles is a great way to stimulate conversation in a community. Articles like this make the subscribers wonder why they are subscribed in the first place... not so great.
The quality of articles over the past couple months have me wondering why I am. MMORPG is becoming a for hire shill service it seems and I'm opting out as of now.
Good luck with your next series of riveting, thought provoking, controversial articles—or whatever this crap falls under.
The only thing you can compare STO to is a gigantic penix, as this game does nothing but screws your wallet with all the lame micro-transactions.
I can't be a federation kinglon unless I pay for it - on top of the base game fee and 15 per month. Screw Cryptic. Will never play a Cryptic title again.
Controversy between game titles is a great way to stimulate conversation in a community. Articles like this make the subscribers wonder why they are subscribed in the first place... not so great.
The quality of articles over the past couple months have me wondering why I am. MMORPG is becoming a for hire shill service it seems and I'm opting out as of now.
Good luck with your next series of riveting, thought provoking, controversial articles—or whatever this crap falls under.
Lol people were talking how bad articles here are for the past 4 years. people as always overreact. Drama queens ~_~
OK, Ok. As writer of this series, I take on your criticisms and in later articles will strive to remedy the negatives. As I point out time and time again, these are my opinions, try as I might, I am going to always be subjective- such is being human. Bias is something that nobody can hide, however, this is something I will try to minimize in future.
In regards to your comments that the website is trying to stir up some sort of inter-mmo war. Come on buddy, these articles are meant to be fun and entertaining. They are not the last word in the quality of the game neither or they meant to be pieces of journalistic art. Sure there is an element of debate to them but come on, I'm trying to entertain people on this website first and foremost. Give me a break.
Also, Eve Online versus Star Trek Online- is it a fair comparison? I am going to say yes, as both share a common genre element. Sure, it's sand box versus theme park but on the general idea that these are the foremost representations of Space MMORPGs, I think it fair to consider these worthy of the comparison.
The fact is that compared to other legitimate sites, and the articles therein, this piece doesn't hold up. I think the problem is, though, that many of us expected that same level of professionalism that we see on those other sites. That is apparently our mistake. I fully realize (now anyways) that I was expecting the site to be held to a standard it's not striving for.
I see now that this site is more the "tabloid" version to the "newspapers" that are those other sites. Articles with titles in the realm of "Why this popular MMO will ruin your life" or "game x vs. game y" are simply for shock value, to draw people in and sell ad space, while they really contain only poorly written opinions and meaningless scores. That's okay, though, because people still read tabloids.
On a personal note, I would like to give you some friendly advice and say that I hope you are not expecting to make a career out of being a game journalist. When you respond to criticisms by essentially saying "the articles aren't meant to be good journalism", it doesn't bode well. If you were serious about being a journalist, I would imagine you would try to make every article good, because your past work is what future employers are going to judge you on. People don't want to read articles where you just 'phone it in' as it were. If you are serious about a career in journalism, I would suggest perhaps finding some local professional writing courses, studying journalism, and working on your writing structure.
I will make sure, next time, to remember the level of quality the site is striving for may not be the level I would expect.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
on the other side, is there a game STO would actually win against? >.>
Weeeeell... STO almost even with Windows Minesweeper... mostly because the last one is getting old. In 2 years it may become the winner... time will tell
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Are you actually paid for your articles? It is a frightening image...
Otherwise as someone already said, it is just a shame on MMORPG.COM for approving something like that on their website.
I won't even comment on your last paragraph that only expose your ignorance even further.
Yes , but whose fault is that ? Cryptic launched the game with full knowledge that it wasn't ready . Once they entered the market the gloves were off , putting it mildly , they exposed themselves to criticing and comparison . To say it's not fair is childish and immature. Cryptic bears the responsiblity for releasing a half-assed product in a genre that contains a tough competition and will get tougher with time. Someone needs a nappy , I think.
I'm sure someone has mentioned it, but one huge reason it's not fair...
EVE was released in 2003.
STO was released in 2010.
In 7 years, who knows how good or bad STO will be. It could have 10 races with unique ships and tons of planets to explore. 7 years of development time is a HUGE difference.
EVE is goo, but slow, you need to be a really dedicated playet to achieve anything in EVE. STO is more of your arcade style game, you don't lose your ships, you don't need to mine for days and the universe is pretty instanced. But overall at least NOW, I enjoy STO better. (played EVE since 1995 with breaks, but game is very well made, its just easy to lose yourself in it). STO is good now especially now with their episodic events. Today is next Series starting, cool!.
LOL... what a comparison... having played both... ... ...... ...... oh wait... here comes the announcer...
"In this corner, EVE The Gigantic, with arms so expansive it cant see its fists... And in this corner STO the anorexic... so thin it can hide behind Paris Hilton... So LETS GET READY TO RUM......... ..... ...... It seems STO has fallen over and cant get up.... TKO of STO at 0.00 of the first round... lets go to the STO corner and ask what went wrong... here's head trainer Dip Cryptic... Dip... what happened? Well, we thought just the name STO could draw fans, big bucks, and knock out the compitition. Unfortunately a HUGE head on a skinny foundation just couldn't stand on its own... .... .... That was Dip Cryptic folks.... Looks like a lack of good training to me... lets hope STO makes some changes in its management team, this kids got good breeding and real potential... just needs visionary management willing to put in the time and resources it deserves... Good night everybody"
You think STO is going to make 7 years, 7 years full of developments and upgrades?
"Come and have a look at what you could have won."
lool! love the comparison
Same here. The winner was obvious. I only skimmed to see how bad the trashing was
Next week in fight talk: Burning your eyes out vs apples.
I skipped reading this tripe. If it was a marketing effort to build some positive spin for Eve I think they could have found a closer match up that would have provided actual worth to this otherwise crap article.
Damn over 150 posts telling the OP he shouldnt have made this match up... really?
Lets let this one die because with the shear volume of posts this thing has gotten you've shown these guys that they could match up anything and you will all post in its thread lol/
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
I have no clue. But I know that development time is just another reason this comparison should never have been made.
I think for what was compared the release dates of the games don't matter much if at all. Many of the problems that give STO low marks are based strictly off of design decisions and not a lack of development time, will they add more places to go in the game sure but if it is still designed like open space is now it will always compare unfavorably against EVE which actually feels like a vast expanse of space.
I think we all know older doesn't mean better even in mmorpgs Dark And Light is now an older game and is still worse than most anything released since it.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I think this whole article is just this sites way of rectifying that over-generous pandering re-review of STO they did not too long ago. I can see the staff being mad and embarrassed over having to put out an obviously fluff review like that. Maybe this is payback or at least a small way of getting back the respect they lost for being Cryptic's public relation whore.
It is true. I might not happen, but i might happen. Being a successful prophet is a hard thing to do. 7 years from now it might not exists mmos as we know them.
Eve was not that good from day 1, it built its stuff little by little over the years.
I agree with another poster that said tha STO vs. SWG could be a more interesting comparison. I would go further and compare STO vs. SWG before vs. SWG after the big change.
If the actual objective is to criticize STO there are tons of threads about it.
i doubt STO will make it for 7 years. this game is misconcepted.
on the other hand, EVE was perhaps the most succesful game of the last 5 years in terms of constant, steady, yearly growth.
played: Everquest I (6 years), EVE (3 years)
months: EQII, Vanguard, Siedler Online, SWTOR, Guild Wars 2
weeks: WoW, Shaiya, Darkfall, Florensia, Entropia, Aion, Lotro, Fallen Earth, Uncharted Waters
days: DDO, RoM, FFXIV, STO, Atlantica, PotBS, Maestia, WAR, AoC, Gods&Heroes, Cultures, RIFT, Forsaken World, Allodds
really cant compare the 2 EvE and SW anyway. SWtor is mainly base on the ground with Space combat as flavor. EvE is all Space,STO was mostly Space with ground added for (well if you can call it) flavor/atmosphere.
When EVE was released, according to most people, it was terrible. It had about 25k subs for that first year and people generally regarded it in a negative way.
Compare the current STO with that EVE and you might have a fair fight.
Older does not equal better. However, EVE has done an excellent job with it's game in the last 7 years in my opinion. I think that pairing these two up was ridiculous in many ways. I view having 7 extra years to develop as an extra reason why they never should have been compared.
In some ways your correct, these are 2 games that really shouldnt have been compared, though i can't imagine what games you can compare with STO that would put it in a more favourable light, even comparing it to Earth and Beyond - which recently restarted btw, and amazingly.. STO still compares badly, but even if you compare STO with Eve in its early stages, it really doesnt change things much, Eve has evolved for sure, but even back then it was a 'huge' game, the 'game universe' is its selling point, the tools which players have to forge their adventures, may not have been as refined as they are today, but hell, their a lot better than STO had/currently has. But the games are too dissimilar, STO should have been released as a Morpg.. which is what cryptic is doing with Neverwinter, with monthly 'releases' the main game being free to play.. but im guessing the 'releases' are no more than adventure packs that you have to buy in their 'cash shop' .. anyway.. did anyone expect Eve not to win this particular comparation ?
Adam we took a vote. And nobody likes you!
LOL
I dont think Ive ever seen this much hate projected on a (article) writer because how much people dislike one of the games covered.
"I understand that if I hear any more words come pouring out of your **** mouth, Ill have to eat every fucking chicken in this room."
Controversy between game titles is a great way to stimulate conversation in a community. Articles like this make the subscribers wonder why they are subscribed in the first place... not so great.
The quality of articles over the past couple months have me wondering why I am. MMORPG is becoming a for hire shill service it seems and I'm opting out as of now.
Good luck with your next series of riveting, thought provoking, controversial articles—or whatever this crap falls under.
The only thing you can compare STO to is a gigantic penix, as this game does nothing but screws your wallet with all the lame micro-transactions.
I can't be a federation kinglon unless I pay for it - on top of the base game fee and 15 per month. Screw Cryptic. Will never play a Cryptic title again.
Lol people were talking how bad articles here are for the past 4 years. people as always overreact. Drama queens ~_~
Bad writing is bad writing, no hate involved.
Reply in a tone of "Give me a break, it is my opinion thus I am right" is a masterpiece...
The fact is that compared to other legitimate sites, and the articles therein, this piece doesn't hold up. I think the problem is, though, that many of us expected that same level of professionalism that we see on those other sites. That is apparently our mistake. I fully realize (now anyways) that I was expecting the site to be held to a standard it's not striving for.
I see now that this site is more the "tabloid" version to the "newspapers" that are those other sites. Articles with titles in the realm of "Why this popular MMO will ruin your life" or "game x vs. game y" are simply for shock value, to draw people in and sell ad space, while they really contain only poorly written opinions and meaningless scores. That's okay, though, because people still read tabloids.
On a personal note, I would like to give you some friendly advice and say that I hope you are not expecting to make a career out of being a game journalist. When you respond to criticisms by essentially saying "the articles aren't meant to be good journalism", it doesn't bode well. If you were serious about being a journalist, I would imagine you would try to make every article good, because your past work is what future employers are going to judge you on. People don't want to read articles where you just 'phone it in' as it were. If you are serious about a career in journalism, I would suggest perhaps finding some local professional writing courses, studying journalism, and working on your writing structure.
I will make sure, next time, to remember the level of quality the site is striving for may not be the level I would expect.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Weeeeell... STO almost even with Windows Minesweeper... mostly because the last one is getting old. In 2 years it may become the winner... time will tell
We reeeeeally need more Space MMOs...
(Damn EA for unplugging E&B)