Well If you wouldn't drop your money so freely on these craptastic games, that are churned out like a bakers dozen . While you wait frothing at the mouth like a rabid animal, for the next best "GAME EVER IN THE UNIVERSE" to arrive . So you can blow some more of mommys and daddys hard earned money on . Maybe, just maybe, the game developers would get a clue and develop the quality and type of game that are worth paying for. Also in the past , if guys hadn't ordered the Great Golden Armor of Glad, and the Wonder Sword of Happiness with real cash and had the donkeys deliver them to you , we wouldn't have item shops now. I know a guy that bought items a few yrs. ago ( for use in Diablo I think ) , He paid $50.00 for armor and a sword . You reap what you sow . It comes back to bite you in the Donkey . lol
Can we get his post plastered all over mmorpg.com so that every gamer can read his post because he hit the nail on the head 1000x and then some. You sir are hired!
reply because thats the sad dark age of mmo history
now: GW2 (11 80s). Dark Souls 2. future: Mount&Blade 2 BannerLord. "Bro, do your even fractal?" Recommends: Guild Wars 2, Dark Souls, Mount&Blade: Warband, Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning.
Every forum I see on this website I see people being unhappy with the current and possible future of MMO's.
Does everyone on this forum just hate MMO's or something?
I imagine there's just not a lot to be particularly optimistic about at this point in time. Very few games are coming out that deviate from the standard mold of fantasy grinding, most of the innovative titles that looked promising ultimately flopped for any number of reasons (Tabula Rasa, SeeD, and Auto Assault... I hardly knew thee) and I think a lot of us have just gotten jaded over the whole deal... basically what a couple other guys have already said.
However, I see the potential what MMOs could be; they could be so much more, so much better. But companies sell us cheap versions, everything dumbed down, reduced and narrowed down to mass market and easy to satisfy target audiences. Everytime I see another WOW-like Theme Park this SW quote comes to my mind "This is how freedom dies. With thundrous applause." It makes me sick to see how people are sold cheap and hollow stuff where they are railroaded instead of free, where things are preset and everything is easy given for no effort at all.
I can imagine how great MMOs could be and how cheap they have become!
I see how release after release has been a letdown, how every time people have critizised things before release, how no one ever listened, and how after release every single new MMO was a failure and the critics proved to be true. And what did the gamers learn? NOTHING. They blindly believe the next overhyped MMO just with the same zeal as every failed MMO before, so the genre does not seem to advance or learn at all. How can one NOT hate all that?
I hate how companies ruined MMOs.
Cynism you say? Well call it cynism; I call it observation and naming things as they are.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Cynism you say? Well call it cynism; I call it observation and naming things as they are.
Don't you mean as you see them? This just highlights the biggest problem here. People can't accept their opinion is just that, their opinion.
There's no greater truth in yours than anyone elses. The only fact in saying they've ruined MMO's is in regard to they've ruined them for you. Some may even feel they've made them better, that doesn't make that true either, except of course for them.
Saying a game has this feature is speaking in facts, it's hard to dispute facts. Saying this game sucks because it has that feature, is speaking about opinion, which again is hard to dispute, as for you it very well may.
In other words people argue over opinions, that is as moronic as you can get.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
But I believe most of us are running after the rabbit. We are trying to have that same feeling as our first mmo gave us (the wonder, the action, the satifaction *speak voice*) but are getting none. So we bitch and complain about how games sucks in a forum with ppl with the same mind set.
I think though that mmo's are still part of that "what are we" field of games. I mean we all know what a FPS game is, or an RPG, but what is really an mmo at heart? Its massive and yea has a lot of people online but what else? I think that hurts and helps mmo's. It hurts because at a general business and marketing level, its pretty untapped as a market and popular ideas can get floated around due to the conventional thinking that "if people know about it, they will like it and will buy it". But games like Star Trek showed us, expectation and making it come true aren't the same.
I still have fun with mmo's but console games have also become more fun. I think mmo's could learn from console games like Demon Soul's and Fallout where new approaches might be need and risk as well in making an mmo. Given WoW's popularity, I think its really hard to make a game that deviates so much from WoW; not because I'm a@@ kissing WoW but because with its distinction and familiarity how would you feel if you were the poor programmer sent to the VP's office to say "hey I wanna make a game that's the exact opposite of WoW and I'm sure we'll strike gold!". Its like that episode in Code Monkeys where Dave makes a Hitler game and Larrity approves it; in the real world some stuff doesn't fly.
I think the only mmo out there that has shown promise is Eve is terms of reversing the trend of falling numbers and showing how you can make a game that is risky but develop it in time into something bigger and better. I can't think of any game that has done what Eve has in terms of just defying mmo logic and successfully.
Give us something new with decent production values and we will be there.
This seems to be the focus of the hour for current dev teams, at least for the most part. TOR with their single-player RPG depth with story mechanics, and GW2 with polished fast paced combat, and their deep world mechanics. RIFT seems to be going along these roots as well, same with Tera. They all seem to be offering polished games so far, we'll see when they release.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Give us something new with decent production values and we will be there.
Theres been plent,y take your pick, its not those games fault if you cant see past flaws.
Every great game has flaws.
Yeah I'd say AOC had decent production values as an example. It just didn't have the polish to make them shine. Great visuals, decent combat, beautiful scenery, as well as a better than average quest system and lore. Polish is where they failed IMO.
Then again if I always worried about polish I'd have missed out on some great adventures over the years. KOTOR2, SWG and NWN2 are decent examples of this. All IMO of course.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
These forums have the worst type of people, they complain about every MMo wether its good or bad, when WOW was released it was all people whining , today same thing with any game, These forums Most of us call the whiner forums, because its full of them , they need to get out more or get laid one of the two or both, Players here will never be happy, they even complain about games that are not out yet , those posts make me laugh, Those people they whine about SWTOR, Rift, TSW , any of them really need a life period.
Get some damn sun get a GF, or BF, stop whining...
For those saying AOC was bad well thats your opinion plenty of other players disagree, by server is full of players who disagree, some of been there since release, did they have a rough release yes, but get over it... WOW had a bad release, people seem to get over it, I know what the problems is people are followers not leaders, when someoen whines then everone else does even if they never played the game....
I love when people say how bad AOC is and the last time they played it was 2yrs ago.... They have plenty of subs to go around and its not F2P its must be doing good, AOC, is one of the few MMO's I can log into and have over 50 people on at one time...
I have played nearly every P2P MMo a few free, and thats never the case, WOW in its prime. But very rare will u log on a game and have over 10-20 people on at one time, if your in a small guild lucky to have 5 people on...
By the way I took a break from games as of late so call me an AOC fanboi please... I love Fallen earth as well, some people hate it, I like it because it does not have 10000000000 whiners on it.. It has a mid size community with some great people there, thats why I play it, and the game is goood......
Every forum I see on this website I see people being unhappy with the current and possible future of MMO's.
Does everyone on this forum just hate MMO's or something?
Its the exact opposite....people who are using this web site love MMOs
The problem is there are so many games and there are many games that people have been "STUNG BY" so to speak.
So thats what you have...a bunch of cynical open minded game players who are tired of the same garbage being put out all the time with the creators constantly giving the same excuses as to why their game is so bad.
As a few people have said on numerous threads....this site might have spoiled many people becasue it gives everyone the ability to tell people about their game experience....users can see first hand video and screen shots of the game....and pretty much know ahead of time what the game will be like before they decide to even play it.
And because of this....this dramaticaly changes the entire Game Industry.
I don't feel it takes very much to set a tone for a forum. Unfortuneately much of the tone in this forum is set by those with vested interests. When this much money is involved corruption is innevitable.
For instance, it doesn't make any difference whatsoever as to the quality of TOR (or any new title) there are those that want/need to maintain the status quo. The bigger the game, the bigger the campaign against it required.
This site has a wide audience and many people looking into a new game will be influenced by it, it's nothing new and it will always be here.
----- The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
Guild Wars 2 and Rift: Planes of Telara are going to have something new to MMO fans, there both bringing something great to the playing field and both will probably do very well.
Star Wars "TOR" will be great to give a full voice story adventure, but with the recycled use of most MMO's currently out, it's still and iffy call. I still do believe Bioware will do great with this game.
DCUO, I have a feeling that Sony will do great with this title, I've been watching this title for over a year now and it only gets better and better.
Tera Online, well the game looks great and the animations looks sweet, but I have a feeling this is going to be like how Aion was, great at the beginning and then....off to the next game. I still have it on my wish list of great MMO possiblities, but I have my doubts as well.
I don't believe everyone hates MMO's here, they just want something that really stands out and makes then sponge up a game that meets there wants and needs and fuels them from beginning to end. MMO's just need to break out of it's clone status and just bring something game changing.
Out of all the games coming out in 2011, Guild Wars 2, looks to be everything I could want in an MMO.
Wildstar (2013) & Elder Scroll Online (2013)
Playing: Diablo 3, WOW, Far Cry 3 & X-Com.
Enjoyed: WOW 5 1/2 yrs, LOTRO 3yrs, GW 1/2yr, DFO 1yr, EVE Online 3yrs, and Huxley (Beta).
Failed to impress: GW2 3months, Tera Online 6 months (best combat system in any MMO I've played) STO 1/4yr, Aion 1/2yr, AoC 1yr, CO, Fallen Earth, DDO, EQ2 1/2yr, WAR 1/2yr, Lineage 2 and FF XI 1/2yr, FF XIV.
Every forum I see on this website I see people being unhappy with the current and possible future of MMO's.
Does everyone on this forum just hate MMO's or something?
The shortest threads are the ones where someone points out a positive aspect of something and everyone agrees with it -- so nobody posts.
Conversely the common topics that go on forever are the negative ones, or ones where there's much disagreement (and therefore discussion.)
That's the way internet forums work. You can't read too much into it (nor should you really care; you're going to either like or dislike MMOs regardless of the opinions of people here, right?)
Every forum I see on this website I see people being unhappy with the current and possible future of MMO's.
Does everyone on this forum just hate MMO's or something?
Speaking for myself, I'm unhappy with the direction MMORPGs have been taking since about '04, maybe '05.
I've said it before in other threads. Practically all MMORPGs play the godd*mn same way these days. The only difference are the models and textures.
I also dislike the direction of making MMORPGs too solo-friendly. I can deal with it to an extent, but we are (well, for me, were) playing Massive Multiplayer Online RPGs. The genre is having more NPC companions fill out your party instead of bonafide players.
In addition, Innovation is assuredly DEAD in the MMORPG genre because it is deemed risky. Because it is deemed risky, developers who try to do something new, different, will get trouble getting money to even work on the game.
Everything's the same. Everything WILL be the same for years longer. I'd like a dev house out there to prove me wrong.
Also, there has to be people on the opposite spectrum of those that say "Everything's great, nothing could be better, it'll all be totally awesome!" Keeps everything nice, balanced. I'm just sorry we don't lay out a garden or roses along the park walkway for you.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
I've been playing mmos damn near forever. I was like many of these guys that lived and died by oldschool/ sandbox mmos. I would be so pissed off that noone could make a solid game besides CCP. Then one day I stopped caring. I accepted what mmos have turn into. Mmos no longer cater to the simulation crowd, they cater to the casual, solo friendly, dungeon finder, instanced pvp arena crowd. I decided to go with the flow because I was simply fighting a losing battle. I now play mmos for what they are RPGs with other players doing ther own thing within the same game map. Honeslty I'm having a better time now.
I knew it, I could tell you had drunk the Kool-aid from the recent tone of your posts.
Well, when it comes to playing MMORPG's, I'm like you, I enjoy them for what they offer, hence I have subs to EVE and FE.
But when it comes to PVP on the forums, I keep up the good fight, still hoping for a day when vitual worlds become more popular and the rest of the gaming community's tastes mature and demand more out of their MMORPG's.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
I think this forum caters a lot to the veteran players burned out from their MMO (such as WoW) so they're likely to have a negative point of view, though they are looking for a new MMO to play. Note that this does not mean at all 'all mmorpg.com users are burned out players'.
Also in a lot of threads, the OP (or the readers) are going to pay much more attention to flamebait/trolls, and will not pay much attention to the other posts... Which often turns threads into flame wars with little to no interesting content.
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reply because thats the sad dark age of mmo history
now: GW2 (11 80s).
Dark Souls 2.
future: Mount&Blade 2 BannerLord.
"Bro, do your even fractal?"
Recommends: Guild Wars 2, Dark Souls, Mount&Blade: Warband, Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning.
I imagine there's just not a lot to be particularly optimistic about at this point in time. Very few games are coming out that deviate from the standard mold of fantasy grinding, most of the innovative titles that looked promising ultimately flopped for any number of reasons (Tabula Rasa, SeeD, and Auto Assault... I hardly knew thee) and I think a lot of us have just gotten jaded over the whole deal... basically what a couple other guys have already said.
I love MMOs. Really, believe it or not.
However, I see the potential what MMOs could be; they could be so much more, so much better. But companies sell us cheap versions, everything dumbed down, reduced and narrowed down to mass market and easy to satisfy target audiences. Everytime I see another WOW-like Theme Park this SW quote comes to my mind "This is how freedom dies. With thundrous applause." It makes me sick to see how people are sold cheap and hollow stuff where they are railroaded instead of free, where things are preset and everything is easy given for no effort at all.
I can imagine how great MMOs could be and how cheap they have become!
I see how release after release has been a letdown, how every time people have critizised things before release, how no one ever listened, and how after release every single new MMO was a failure and the critics proved to be true. And what did the gamers learn? NOTHING. They blindly believe the next overhyped MMO just with the same zeal as every failed MMO before, so the genre does not seem to advance or learn at all. How can one NOT hate all that?
I hate how companies ruined MMOs.
Cynism you say? Well call it cynism; I call it observation and naming things as they are.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
You sure?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mns8EsSHMmI
Oh and OP, you're right it does seem most are negative about not only MMORPG's but with everything we can spot on this site.
Seems like a good place to spout out the negatives of MMOs.
If everything is going swimmingly we're playing the game much too often to care about the latest gossip of the industry.
At least that's what I would attribute such an observation to.
Some people complain about mmos. Others complain about people who complain mmos. Round and round we go.
Atleast the ones complaining about games are on topic.
Don't you mean as you see them? This just highlights the biggest problem here. People can't accept their opinion is just that, their opinion.
There's no greater truth in yours than anyone elses. The only fact in saying they've ruined MMO's is in regard to they've ruined them for you. Some may even feel they've made them better, that doesn't make that true either, except of course for them.
Saying a game has this feature is speaking in facts, it's hard to dispute facts. Saying this game sucks because it has that feature, is speaking about opinion, which again is hard to dispute, as for you it very well may.
In other words people argue over opinions, that is as moronic as you can get.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I wonder that as well.
But I believe most of us are running after the rabbit. We are trying to have that same feeling as our first mmo gave us (the wonder, the action, the satifaction *speak voice*) but are getting none. So we bitch and complain about how games sucks in a forum with ppl with the same mind set.
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I think though that mmo's are still part of that "what are we" field of games. I mean we all know what a FPS game is, or an RPG, but what is really an mmo at heart? Its massive and yea has a lot of people online but what else? I think that hurts and helps mmo's. It hurts because at a general business and marketing level, its pretty untapped as a market and popular ideas can get floated around due to the conventional thinking that "if people know about it, they will like it and will buy it". But games like Star Trek showed us, expectation and making it come true aren't the same.
I still have fun with mmo's but console games have also become more fun. I think mmo's could learn from console games like Demon Soul's and Fallout where new approaches might be need and risk as well in making an mmo. Given WoW's popularity, I think its really hard to make a game that deviates so much from WoW; not because I'm a@@ kissing WoW but because with its distinction and familiarity how would you feel if you were the poor programmer sent to the VP's office to say "hey I wanna make a game that's the exact opposite of WoW and I'm sure we'll strike gold!". Its like that episode in Code Monkeys where Dave makes a Hitler game and Larrity approves it; in the real world some stuff doesn't fly.
I think the only mmo out there that has shown promise is Eve is terms of reversing the trend of falling numbers and showing how you can make a game that is risky but develop it in time into something bigger and better. I can't think of any game that has done what Eve has in terms of just defying mmo logic and successfully.
Give us something new with decent production values and we will be there.
Theres been plent,y take your pick, its not those games fault if you cant see past flaws.
Every great game has flaws.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
This seems to be the focus of the hour for current dev teams, at least for the most part. TOR with their single-player RPG depth with story mechanics, and GW2 with polished fast paced combat, and their deep world mechanics. RIFT seems to be going along these roots as well, same with Tera. They all seem to be offering polished games so far, we'll see when they release.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Yeah I'd say AOC had decent production values as an example. It just didn't have the polish to make them shine. Great visuals, decent combat, beautiful scenery, as well as a better than average quest system and lore. Polish is where they failed IMO.
Then again if I always worried about polish I'd have missed out on some great adventures over the years. KOTOR2, SWG and NWN2 are decent examples of this. All IMO of course.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
These forums have the worst type of people, they complain about every MMo wether its good or bad, when WOW was released it was all people whining , today same thing with any game, These forums Most of us call the whiner forums, because its full of them , they need to get out more or get laid one of the two or both, Players here will never be happy, they even complain about games that are not out yet , those posts make me laugh, Those people they whine about SWTOR, Rift, TSW , any of them really need a life period.
Get some damn sun get a GF, or BF, stop whining...
For those saying AOC was bad well thats your opinion plenty of other players disagree, by server is full of players who disagree, some of been there since release, did they have a rough release yes, but get over it... WOW had a bad release, people seem to get over it, I know what the problems is people are followers not leaders, when someoen whines then everone else does even if they never played the game....
I love when people say how bad AOC is and the last time they played it was 2yrs ago.... They have plenty of subs to go around and its not F2P its must be doing good, AOC, is one of the few MMO's I can log into and have over 50 people on at one time...
I have played nearly every P2P MMo a few free, and thats never the case, WOW in its prime. But very rare will u log on a game and have over 10-20 people on at one time, if your in a small guild lucky to have 5 people on...
By the way I took a break from games as of late so call me an AOC fanboi please... I love Fallen earth as well, some people hate it, I like it because it does not have 10000000000 whiners on it.. It has a mid size community with some great people there, thats why I play it, and the game is goood......
This is my 2 cents.
Its the exact opposite....people who are using this web site love MMOs
The problem is there are so many games and there are many games that people have been "STUNG BY" so to speak.
So thats what you have...a bunch of cynical open minded game players who are tired of the same garbage being put out all the time with the creators constantly giving the same excuses as to why their game is so bad.
As a few people have said on numerous threads....this site might have spoiled many people becasue it gives everyone the ability to tell people about their game experience....users can see first hand video and screen shots of the game....and pretty much know ahead of time what the game will be like before they decide to even play it.
And because of this....this dramaticaly changes the entire Game Industry.
I don't feel it takes very much to set a tone for a forum. Unfortuneately much of the tone in this forum is set by those with vested interests. When this much money is involved corruption is innevitable.
For instance, it doesn't make any difference whatsoever as to the quality of TOR (or any new title) there are those that want/need to maintain the status quo. The bigger the game, the bigger the campaign against it required.
This site has a wide audience and many people looking into a new game will be influenced by it, it's nothing new and it will always be here.
-----
The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
2011 ...
Guild Wars 2 and Rift: Planes of Telara are going to have something new to MMO fans, there both bringing something great to the playing field and both will probably do very well.
Star Wars "TOR" will be great to give a full voice story adventure, but with the recycled use of most MMO's currently out, it's still and iffy call. I still do believe Bioware will do great with this game.
DCUO, I have a feeling that Sony will do great with this title, I've been watching this title for over a year now and it only gets better and better.
Tera Online, well the game looks great and the animations looks sweet, but I have a feeling this is going to be like how Aion was, great at the beginning and then....off to the next game. I still have it on my wish list of great MMO possiblities, but I have my doubts as well.
I don't believe everyone hates MMO's here, they just want something that really stands out and makes then sponge up a game that meets there wants and needs and fuels them from beginning to end. MMO's just need to break out of it's clone status and just bring something game changing.
Out of all the games coming out in 2011, Guild Wars 2, looks to be everything I could want in an MMO.
Wildstar (2013) & Elder Scroll Online (2013)
Playing: Diablo 3, WOW, Far Cry 3 & X-Com.
Enjoyed: WOW 5 1/2 yrs, LOTRO 3yrs, GW 1/2yr, DFO 1yr, EVE Online 3yrs, and Huxley (Beta).
Failed to impress: GW2 3months, Tera Online 6 months (best combat system in any MMO I've played) STO 1/4yr, Aion 1/2yr, AoC 1yr, CO, Fallen Earth, DDO, EQ2 1/2yr, WAR 1/2yr, Lineage 2 and FF XI 1/2yr, FF XIV.
Axelhilt nails it.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
quite probably. I mean the whole being in a multiplayable world is great, but not a 90,000 quest world..
Speaking for myself, I'm unhappy with the direction MMORPGs have been taking since about '04, maybe '05.
I've said it before in other threads. Practically all MMORPGs play the godd*mn same way these days. The only difference are the models and textures.
I also dislike the direction of making MMORPGs too solo-friendly. I can deal with it to an extent, but we are (well, for me, were) playing Massive Multiplayer Online RPGs. The genre is having more NPC companions fill out your party instead of bonafide players.
In addition, Innovation is assuredly DEAD in the MMORPG genre because it is deemed risky. Because it is deemed risky, developers who try to do something new, different, will get trouble getting money to even work on the game.
Everything's the same. Everything WILL be the same for years longer. I'd like a dev house out there to prove me wrong.
Also, there has to be people on the opposite spectrum of those that say "Everything's great, nothing could be better, it'll all be totally awesome!" Keeps everything nice, balanced. I'm just sorry we don't lay out a garden or roses along the park walkway for you.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
I knew it, I could tell you had drunk the Kool-aid from the recent tone of your posts.
Well, when it comes to playing MMORPG's, I'm like you, I enjoy them for what they offer, hence I have subs to EVE and FE.
But when it comes to PVP on the forums, I keep up the good fight, still hoping for a day when vitual worlds become more popular and the rest of the gaming community's tastes mature and demand more out of their MMORPG's.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
LOL, kids....go figure.
Misery loves company?
Gutlard Out!
What, me worry?
A lot of the people here have a small number of mmo's they love and they just run around trashing every other mmo. *shrug* ymmv.
Shadus
I think this forum caters a lot to the veteran players burned out from their MMO (such as WoW) so they're likely to have a negative point of view, though they are looking for a new MMO to play. Note that this does not mean at all 'all mmorpg.com users are burned out players'.
Also in a lot of threads, the OP (or the readers) are going to pay much more attention to flamebait/trolls, and will not pay much attention to the other posts... Which often turns threads into flame wars with little to no interesting content.