The assumptions and comparisons in your answer are insane.
"But to think ToR will have a major impact on FFXIV is mistaken."
==> this game will have a major impact on every mmo out there, no exceptions.
this can be said for practically every new MMO that launches these days, the question is will it survive its birth or will it beat APB to the fastest shutdown after release
"But guess what, when GWII launches its going to go through the same crap EVERY mmo goes through. "
==> Pure speculation. And we are talking FFXIV here so lets compare it to that. FFXIV was an absuluteley unfinished game at release (still is), GW2 will be released when it's finished. This is a complete opposite release phylosophy.
While GW2 may go through crap at release as all MMO's do, it will in no way be the same crap as FFXIV is going through now.
And every other MMO launched in the last few years has apparantly released 'Finished' . i will believe it when i see it, but as by their very nature MMO evolve they are never truly 'Finished', I think you may have meant to say 'GW2 wont release as a buggy pile of crap that crashes every few minutes, runs perfectly on every PC set up imaginable, on maximum settings, with the servers enver getting congested.
*Or is that what you meant by 'Crap'?*
"in its prime it will hit 500-600k and thats it."
==> speculation again.
Like the poster above you said. FFXIV is in a pickle. Two (not to say more because Rift and Tera are coming to) major releases coming up and they will give FFXIV a run for its money. This situation is different from the FFXI days where there was allmost no competition.
But the game will still have its fan's, whatever other game launches, as Long as SE make enough money to make the game viable and keep updating it, then who really cares?
They already responding to complaints about UI etc in the game and working to resolve them, Will these other games survive their 'HYPE' and retain their playerbase?
Who knows, but to each their own
Must be that it's early morning for me but your red posts completely went over my head as to what you are trying to say in regards to my post.
Well I'm off to drink some coffee maybe it'll clear things up ... but I doubt it.
Maybe ... You could also say I look at realistically and you are still wearing your rose tinted glasses.
But hey, tomeeto - tomato ... poteeto - potato, we'll see how much water is left in your glass in 6 months.
So in 6 months, if your wrong, are you going to come back here and state publically you were? I mean you have been stating this for the past 6 weeks at least. If your so sure of your predictions, I dont see why you wont stand by your word. Shall we call it March 15th? Give it a good 6 months to see if this game is closed for business like you have called for?
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Well here's something interesting I've just found. The FF XIV Server Population over the month of October. Need I say more:
How come the weekends aren't on there???? it's just odd jumping days and only keeping monday - thursday sometimes...
Good question. Maybe they picked only the days that supported their theory?
The numbers are higher on the weekends for sure. But it still shows a decline from Monday-Thursday, suggesting the weekend numbers show the same thing.
God forbid people actually go to work on weekdays instead of playing XIV.
Your missing the whole point. If the trend showed 1500 (theoretically) people Mon-Thurs every week, then the population trend would stay the same. What this is showing is the population EVERY Mon-Thurs on this graph is declining. Meaning every concuring week, less players are on during the week. This will reflect on the weekends as well, while the population for sure is higher because more people have time, the general trend would show a decline in players.
What I think you're misunderstanding is that these are the same days, not weekend -> weekday with only one sample shown.
Maybe ... You could also say I look at realistically and you are still wearing your rose tinted glasses.
But hey, tomeeto - tomato ... poteeto - potato, we'll see how much water is left in your glass in 6 months.
So in 6 months, if your wrong, are you going to come back here and state publically you were? I mean you have been stating this for the past 6 weeks at least. If your so sure of your predictions, I dont see why you wont stand by your word. Shall we call it March 15th? Give it a good 6 months to see if this game is closed for business like you have called for?
Aha so you are here again. No problem mate.
First off .... where have I been stating this for the past 6 weeks? You use the same spin tactics as Geldon to attack posts and to discredit them. Somebody posts some critics, you 2 are there to slander with every means possible missing the ball completely in the process.
Second ... where did I shout, say, mention or even hint that the game would close down? Just go down my post history, please do, and tell me where I said that.
Now we got your spinning turned around again we can focus on the rest of your post ...
Maybe ... You could also say I look at realistically and you are still wearing your rose tinted glasses.
But hey, tomeeto - tomato ... poteeto - potato, we'll see how much water is left in your glass in 6 months.
So in 6 months, if your wrong, are you going to come back here and state publically you were? I mean you have been stating this for the past 6 weeks at least. If your so sure of your predictions, I dont see why you wont stand by your word. Shall we call it March 15th? Give it a good 6 months to see if this game is closed for business like you have called for?
Aha so you are here again. No problem mate.
First off .... where have I been stating this for the past 6 weeks? You use the same spin tactics as Geldon to attack posts and to discredit them. Somebody posts some critics, you 2 are there to slander with every means possible missing the ball completely in the process.
Second ... where did I shout, say, mention or even hint that the game would close down? Just go down my post history, please do, and tell me where I said that.
Now we got your spinning turned around again we can focus on the rest of your post ...
Hmm, not much left to discuss really. Peace.
Oh my mistake, I thought when you referred to the other poster as seeing through rose colored glasses and infring that his glass would hold no water in 6 months as...well, as exactly what you said there. That you believe the other poster is dillusional in his view of this game and that in 6 months it will have no players left on it. Unless you meant something different there??
But yeah, same response I got from you the last time I asked if you would buck up in 6 months if your wrong. Honestly didnt expect anything different this time around mate. Really think no way in hell you or any of the other haters on here would have the balls to come back in 6 months if your wrong and admit it. but thats ok, as you put it, we'll see how much water is left in your glass in 6 months. **wink**
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Maybe ... You could also say I look at realistically and you are still wearing your rose tinted glasses.
But hey, tomeeto - tomato ... poteeto - potato, we'll see how much water is left in your glass in 6 months.
So in 6 months, if your wrong, are you going to come back here and state publically you were? I mean you have been stating this for the past 6 weeks at least. If your so sure of your predictions, I dont see why you wont stand by your word. Shall we call it March 15th? Give it a good 6 months to see if this game is closed for business like you have called for?
Aha so you are here again. No problem mate.
First off .... where have I been stating this for the past 6 weeks? You use the same spin tactics as Geldon to attack posts and to discredit them. Somebody posts some critics, you 2 are there to slander with every means possible missing the ball completely in the process.
Second ... where did I shout, say, mention or even hint that the game would close down? Just go down my post history, please do, and tell me where I said that.
Now we got your spinning turned around again we can focus on the rest of your post ...
Hmm, not much left to discuss really. Peace.
Just out of curiosity why do you come to the FFXIV forums? You constantly just criticize people and the game if you don’t like it why come here(this paticular part of the forums)? I dont know if you know this but there are tons of games that have a possitive population you can join. I know it’s all free for people that have anythign positive to say so really why are you here? I’m just curious.....
Maybe ... You could also say I look at realistically and you are still wearing your rose tinted glasses.
But hey, tomeeto - tomato ... poteeto - potato, we'll see how much water is left in your glass in 6 months.
So in 6 months, if your wrong, are you going to come back here and state publically you were? I mean you have been stating this for the past 6 weeks at least. If your so sure of your predictions, I dont see why you wont stand by your word. Shall we call it March 15th? Give it a good 6 months to see if this game is closed for business like you have called for?
Aha so you are here again. No problem mate.
First off .... where have I been stating this for the past 6 weeks? You use the same spin tactics as Geldon to attack posts and to discredit them. Somebody posts some critics, you 2 are there to slander with every means possible missing the ball completely in the process.
Second ... where did I shout, say, mention or even hint that the game would close down? Just go down my post history, please do, and tell me where I said that.
Now we got your spinning turned around again we can focus on the rest of your post ...
Hmm, not much left to discuss really. Peace.
Oh my mistake, I thought when you referred to the other poster as seeing through rose colored glasses and infring that his glass would hold no water in 6 months as...well, as exactly what you said there. That you believe the other poster is dillusional in his view of this game and that in 6 months it will have no players left on it. Unless you meant something different there??
But yeah, same response I got from you the last time I asked if you would buck up in 6 months if your wrong. Honestly didnt expect anything different this time around mate. Really think no way in hell you or any of the other haters on here would have the balls to come back in 6 months if your wrong and admit it. but thats ok, as you put it, we'll see how much water is left in your glass in 6 months. **wink**
Maybe ... You could also say I look at realistically and you are still wearing your rose tinted glasses.
But hey, tomeeto - tomato ... poteeto - potato, we'll see how much water is left in your glass in 6 months.
So in 6 months, if your wrong, are you going to come back here and state publically you were? I mean you have been stating this for the past 6 weeks at least. If your so sure of your predictions, I dont see why you wont stand by your word. Shall we call it March 15th? Give it a good 6 months to see if this game is closed for business like you have called for?
Aha so you are here again. No problem mate.
First off .... where have I been stating this for the past 6 weeks? You use the same spin tactics as Geldon to attack posts and to discredit them. Somebody posts some critics, you 2 are there to slander with every means possible missing the ball completely in the process.
Second ... where did I shout, say, mention or even hint that the game would close down? Just go down my post history, please do, and tell me where I said that.
Now we got your spinning turned around again we can focus on the rest of your post ...
Hmm, not much left to discuss really. Peace.
Just out of curiosity why do you come to the FFXIV forums? You constantly just criticize people and the game if you don’t like it why come here(this paticular part of the forums)? I dont know if you know this but there are tons of games that have a possitive population you can join. I know it’s all free for people that have anythign positive to say so really why are you here? I’m just curious.....
I do not constantly criticize the game and people liking it. Please check my post history and you'll see that.
I do come here and debunk statements that are obviously flawed and full off ...
I have allways stated the game wasn't finished and needs a lot of work and it can be ready inside 6 months if SE works hard.
I never said it will fail or close down or whatever. I even stated that I would buy the game after 6 months (if SE gets their shit together) but could be postponed for ever since there are other titles lurking around the corner to be released.
My reply on the post that seems to get all you peoples panties in a twist was just stating that SE will loose people to the other games releasing soon (STOR in particulary) and that the game was not ready for release to begin with.
You do know this is a forum and I'm entitled to post my opinions no? I guess you just got on the bandwagon and decided to throw in some unfounded remarks before checking your facts.
If people only are allowed to post positives of a game when there are obvious downsides, then what is the purpose of these forums.
As I stated in other threads. Some people regard/use these forums as benchmarks to either buy or postpone purchase of a game. So yes I will come in and try to refute remarks that are clearly not true or spinned around to make the game look better then it is.
Just out of curiosity why do you come to the FFXIV forums? You constantly just criticize people and the game if you don’t like it why come here(this paticular part of the forums)? I dont know if you know this but there are tons of games that have a possitive population you can join. I know it’s all free for people that have anythign positive to say so really why are you here? I’m just curious.....
I do not constantly criticize the game and people liking it. Please check my post history and you'll see that.
I do come here and debunk statements that are obviously flawed and full off ...
I have allways stated the game wasn't finished and needs a lot of work and it can be ready inside 6 months if SE works hard.
I never said it will fail or close down or whatever. I even stated that I would buy the game after 6 months (if SE gets their shit together) but could be postponed for ever since there are other titles lurking around the corner to be released.
My reply on the post that seems to get all you peoples panties in a twist was just stating that SE will loose people to the other games releasing soon (STOR in particulary) and that the game was not ready for release to begin with.
You do know this is a forum and I'm entitled to post my opinions no? I guess you just got on the bandwagon and decided to throw in some unfounded remarks before checking your facts.
If people only are allowed to post positives of a game when there are obvious downsides, then what is the purpose of these forums.
As I stated in other threads. Some people regard/use these forums as benchmarks to either buy or postpone purchase of a game. So yes I will come in and try to refute remarks that are clearly not true or spinned around to make the game look better then it is.
I love the swing you got going here, how your putting yourself up as being the good guy. I think people should go check your post history sure. Give them a chance to see how you jump on people with life threatening health conditions, and tell them to stop collecting YOUR tax money and stop playing games because what??? You think he is lying?? That post just painted you the insensative prick, nothing more. Seriously, your no white knight dude. And yes, just about every post you have made on the FFXIV forums has been negative, either against the game or against the poster your replying to. So dont come out now and play off like your the saint here to save people from doing something stupid. The only stupid thing that can do is believe the pile your shoveling. And no, I dont think anyone should believe me, they should take YOUR advice and read your post history for themselves. It should shed some light on your intent.
EDIT: Oh and I fully expect this poster to report this comment and get me a ban for it. If telling the truth offends then so be it.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Just out of curiosity why do you come to the FFXIV forums? You constantly just criticize people and the game if you don’t like it why come here(this paticular part of the forums)? I dont know if you know this but there are tons of games that have a possitive population you can join. I know it’s all free for people that have anythign positive to say so really why are you here? I’m just curious.....
I do not constantly criticize the game and people liking it. Please check my post history and you'll see that.
I do come here and debunk statements that are obviously flawed and full off ...
I have allways stated the game wasn't finished and needs a lot of work and it can be ready inside 6 months if SE works hard.
I never said it will fail or close down or whatever. I even stated that I would buy the game after 6 months (if SE gets their shit together) but could be postponed for ever since there are other titles lurking around the corner to be released.
My reply on the post that seems to get all you peoples panties in a twist was just stating that SE will loose people to the other games releasing soon (STOR in particulary) and that the game was not ready for release to begin with.
You do know this is a forum and I'm entitled to post my opinions no? I guess you just got on the bandwagon and decided to throw in some unfounded remarks before checking your facts.
If people only are allowed to post positives of a game when there are obvious downsides, then what is the purpose of these forums.
As I stated in other threads. Some people regard/use these forums as benchmarks to either buy or postpone purchase of a game. So yes I will come in and try to refute remarks that are clearly not true or spinned around to make the game look better then it is.
I love the swing you got going here, how your putting yourself up as being the good guy. I think people should go check your post history sure. Give them a chance to see how you jump on people with life threatening health conditions, and tell them to stop collecting YOUR tax money and stop playing games because what??? You think he is lying?? That post just painted you the insensative prick, nothing more. Seriously, your no white knight dude. And yes, just about every post you have made on the FFXIV forums has been negative, either against the game or against the poster your replying to. So dont come out now and play off like your the saint here to save people from doing something stupid. The only stupid thing that can do is believe the pile your shoveling. And no, I dont think anyone should believe me, they should take YOUR advice and read your post history for themselves. It should shed some light on your intent.
EDIT: Oh and I fully expect this poster to report this comment and get me a ban for it. If telling the truth offends then so be it.
Well there you go of your knockers again as you allways do pulling in completely unrelated issues just to prove your point and getting offensive in the process.
At this moment I allready forgot what your point was to be honest with all your balls flying in the air.
Oh yeah, I never pretended to be a white knight I only responded to his question to as why I am posting in a FFXIV forum.
You have fun catching those balls when they come down.
Well here's something interesting I've just found. The FF XIV Server Population over the month of October. Need I say more:
How come the weekends aren't on there???? it's just odd jumping days and only keeping monday - thursday sometimes...
Good question. Maybe they picked only the days that supported their theory?
The numbers are higher on the weekends for sure. But it still shows a decline from Monday-Thursday, suggesting the weekend numbers show the same thing.
God forbid people actually go to work on weekdays instead of playing XIV.
Your missing the whole point. If the trend showed 1500 (theoretically) people Mon-Thurs every week, then the population trend would stay the same. What this is showing is the population EVERY Mon-Thurs on this graph is declining. Meaning every concuring week, less players are on during the week. This will reflect on the weekends as well, while the population for sure is higher because more people have time, the general trend would show a decline in players.
What I think you're misunderstanding is that these are the same days, not weekend -> weekday with only one sample shown.
Something else that chart doesn't show, and every person so far who has tried to say FFXIV is doing well because it has so-and-so people playing at any one time seems to gloss over it, is: how many of the people online are actually playing and how many are simply leaving their characters logged in to sell from their bazaar?
I have a feeling if SE were to actually implement an AH, or a reliable AH-style search system for retainers, everyone would suddenly see big dips in their servers populations when conducting "census" counts simply from people no longer having to stay logged in 24 hours a day to sell their crap.
For example, a server right now may show 1500 people online at peak playtimes, while that same server with people no longer needing to stay logged in for bazaar selling would most likely drop to between 1000-1100 players at peak times.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Why would you be selling stuff on your retainer if you don't intend on playing the game? If you have your retainer active or are using your Bazaar, then you are "playing the game."
Just because a game has a bazaar mechanic that allows people to keep the game on means we shouldn't count that as playing? (lol). The game is on, the character is active, you are trying to do something in game to get money, to spend it on something else, or save it. That sounds like playing to me.
Why would you be selling stuff on your retainer if you don't intend on playing the game? If you have your retainer active or are using your Bazaar, then you are "playing the game."
Just because a game has a bazaar mechanic that allows people to keep the game on means we shouldn't count that as playing? (lol). The game is on, the character is active, you are trying to do something in game to get money, to spend it on something else, or save it. That sounds like playing to me.
Oh, AFK for 20+ hours a day is "playing" to you? This is what SE has counted on the most from its players: low standards.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Why would you be selling stuff on your retainer if you don't intend on playing the game? If you have your retainer active or are using your Bazaar, then you are "playing the game."
Just because a game has a bazaar mechanic that allows people to keep the game on means we shouldn't count that as playing? (lol). The game is on, the character is active, you are trying to do something in game to get money, to spend it on something else, or save it. That sounds like playing to me.
Oh, AFK for 20+ hours a day is "playing" to you? This is what SE has counted on the most from its players: low standards.
Stop making up numbers and pretending it proves anything.
Yes, people afk while they're selling stuff. But it begs the question... why they hell are they selling stuff if they have NO INTENTIONS of playing the game. Presumably, if they're playing other games, they can't have FFXIV on to sell stuff. The people have active bazaars are actually a very good indicator of the current subscriber base/active accounts.
So by your standards, someone has to play a game for 15 hours a day for it to count? so playing 4-5 hours and then setting up a bazaar for the rest of the time doesn't count? So just because a game like wow doesn't have a bazaar mechanism, and by your standards, if someone only plays an hour of wow a day, it doesn't count.
Regardless, all of this speculation is just that, wild guesses. Wait another month and you'll see people voicing their opinion with their wallets. The only true measure of a game is how many people are actively paying to play it.
I'm not making any guesses on how many that will be, it will likely be less because that's the case for ALL GAMES that come out of the free trial period. But don't pretend that using a designed game mechanic as it is intended some how means it shouldn't count towards people "playing" the game.
Your actually trying to make the argument that the number of people playing is fudged because they have retainers up?? Your serious?? You know that little about the game your arguing about??
Here, let me fill you in. Retainer, NPC. Does NOT require the player to be logged in to be up. Personal Bazzar yes, but there is only a very small percentage of players that actually leave thier characters logged inwhen they are not online. This is all common sense, TAX. Anyone who plays this game knows your retainer in the correct ward or in a stall is a 2% tax, wrong ward 5% tax, personal bazzar is a 10% tax. Now sure, if you in a BIG hurry to move your product you'll set it up on your bazzar, and accept the loss. But I dont know too many who are in that big of a hurry. And trust me, when I walk thru the markets (not the wards) I'm not seeing that many people standing around afk like there used ot be. Once they learned the tax spike they stopped that practice pretty quick. To be honest, that alone might be the cause of your decline in the server population over the past 2 weeks, but that trend is almost entirely past now.
As for the Xfire statistics...come on, didnt we go through all this with Aion, and you were all proven wrong in the end on that doom and gloom road too. Do we really have to go through it all again?? We dont need to bring back Zondorf again really. The percentage of people that use Xfire is unreliable to the game populations, it is only a snapshot of a small group of players. Its like asking 20 people at a Bingo game if they like Bingo. Xfire caters to a certain type of gamer, and thier numbers only reflect the trend of that type of player, not the genre as a whole. Dont try and make it out to be anything else because it isnt.
Seriously, the only measure of a games success is if it is profitable to the company that has made it. If it is, they will keep it running, if its losing money they will close it down. Thats all there is to it. Right now FFXIV is making SE money, period. When they start to lose money they will reevaluate the project and decide how to procede from there. And NO, FFXIV is NOT the only game SE has out right now, and NO Final Fantasy is NOT the only line of games they offer. It is only ONE of many.
Really, stop picking out just what you want out of the facts to support your arguments. All the facts please, or dont even bother. Sure, I can walk outside for 5 days in a row and see it warm and sunny and say the weather is always warm, sunny, and great.....in Buffalo. But that doesn't make it true now does it?
And just for the record, I'm not saying there isnt a decline in server population, because there is, I hope is goes farther before it gets better actually. There are still way too many people playing who hate the game entirely but for some reason feel it better to log in everyday, play for 10 minutes and spend the next 2 hours bitching about how much they hate it (kind of like these forums). So yeah, hopefully in a month or two all those people will jump ship for Cata or something they like and let the community grow and prosper without them.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
And just for the record, I'm not saying there isnt a decline in server population, because there is, I hope is goes farther before it gets better actually. There are still way too many people playing who hate the game entirely but for some reason feel it better to log in everyday, play for 10 minutes and spend the next 2 hours bitching about how much they hate it (kind of like these forums). So yeah, hopefully in a month or two all those people will jump ship for Cata or something they like and let the community grow and prosper without them.
Personal Bazzar yes, but there is only a very small percentage of players that actually leave thier characters logged inwhen they are not online. This is all common sense,
>>>>>>>> you are agreeing with him. He has a pretty good point if you don't try to split hairs down to nothing.
>>>>>>>> "buts" are useless in an intelligent debate
>>>>>>>> this is completely made up and not true of 95% of every MMO I have ever played. A ton of folks leave an MMO on all the time and even run multiple characters which SE was careful to specifically address in their 30 day additional giveaway. MMO gamers are compulsive in that way. I was just reading a post from someone on here that got caught fishing with a bot while they weren't playing. It's not that far of a stretch that they'd be doing something you'd actually be allowed to do.
>>>>>>> Your opinion is not necessarily common sense. In fact, it's probably not based on your taste in comparison to the rating this game has recieved on a dozen internet sites. Common sense is common, as in, majority.
Someone could just as easily say that 1/3 of the current players on each server were actually just one player playing more than one character. There is no way to prove or disprove this and so it's not even worth debating over.
Numbers really are just food for chat until the free time has expired and then we all see just how much people really like the game. If there is a downward spiral in numbers before the free giveaway has expired then it's reasonable to assume there is going to be a sharp falloff when it actually costs more cash to play. It's all theory.
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized" "The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
Your actually trying to make the argument that the number of people playing is fudged because they have retainers up?? Your serious?? You know that little about the game your arguing about??
Here, let me fill you in. Retainer, NPC.
Hey, Kaocan. Learn to read or stay out of the convo. I said "bazaar" not "retainer". You know, those hundreds of AFK characters ( can't call them players because they're not even at their damn keyboards ) sitting around the inns and crystals hoping you'll buy shit from them rather than waste your time searching those NPC retainers?
Still waiting to hear why you're still here when "the people who like FFXIV are playing it and avoiding this site"
And again, being AFK is not "playing" the game. Next you guys will argue that all asian mmos are highly successful because "look at all the AFK bots!!".
And to "HrVR2148" who says I'm "making up numbers" by saying 20+ hours AFK", sorry buddy, it's called logic. There isn't enough content in the game by design to keep anyone outside of grinders playing for more than 4 hours a day. That leaves -HEY!!! - 20 hours of AFK bot selling.
And while we're at it, how many of those people AFK "playing" are going to be there when the sub fees start? I bet the number will be way lower than any fanboi here is willing to project.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Your actually trying to make the argument that the number of people playing is fudged because they have retainers up?? Your serious?? You know that little about the game your arguing about??
Here, let me fill you in. Retainer, NPC.
Hey, Kaocan. Learn to read or stay out of the convo. I said "bazaar" not "retainer". You know, those hundreds of AFK characters ( can't call them players because they're not even at their damn keyboards ) sitting around the inns and crystals hoping you'll buy shit from them rather than waste your time searching those NPC retainers?
Still waiting to hear why you're still here when "the people who like FFXIV are playing it and avoiding this site"
And again, being AFK is not "playing" the game. Next you guys will argue that all asian mmos are highly successful because "look at all the AFK bots!!".
And to "HrVR2148" who says I'm "making up numbers" by saying 20+ hours AFK", sorry buddy, it's called logic. There isn't enough content in the game by design to keep anyone outside of grinders playing for more than 4 hours a day. That leaves -HEY!!! - 20 hours of AFK bot selling.
And while we're at it, how many of those people AFK "playing" are going to be there when the sub fees start? I bet the number will be way lower than any fanboi here is willing to project.
FIXED, where is art tho RMT!? we don't have spammers in our channels BUY GIL BUY GIL BUY GIL BUY GIL!
The fansite auction house: http://ffxiv.yg.com/ you can search to items in the game instead of wasting tons of hours. Go to where they are in the game an buy.
Your actually trying to make the argument that the number of people playing is fudged because they have retainers up?? Your serious?? You know that little about the game your arguing about??
Here, let me fill you in. Retainer, NPC.
Hey, Kaocan. Learn to read or stay out of the convo. I said "bazaar" not "retainer". You know, those hundreds of AFK characters ( can't call them players because they're not even at their damn keyboards ) sitting around the inns and crystals hoping you'll buy shit from them rather than waste your time searching those NPC retainers?
Still waiting to hear why you're still here when "the people who like FFXIV are playing it and avoiding this site"
And again, being AFK is not "playing" the game. Next you guys will argue that all asian mmos are highly successful because "look at all the AFK bots!!".
And to "HrVR2148" who says I'm "making up numbers" by saying 20+ hours AFK", sorry buddy, it's called logic. There isn't enough content in the game by design to keep anyone outside of grinders playing for more than 4 hours a day. That leaves -HEY!!! - 20 hours of AFK bot selling.
And while we're at it, how many of those people AFK "playing" are going to be there when the sub fees start? I bet the number will be way lower than any fanboi here is willing to project.
FIXED, where is art tho RMT!? we don't have spammers in our channels BUY GIL BUY GIL BUY GIL BUY GIL!
The fansite auction house: http://ffxiv.yg.com/ you can search to items in the game instead of wasting tons of hours. Go to where they are in the game an buy.
Further changes we have planned for the near future, which will be coming sometime after the first version update, include the following:
Search feature to allow item searches by individual wards
Icon display to identify retainers selling sought-after items
Increase in the number of retainers that may be employed
Well to be honest there really aren't any channels for spammers to spam in, so that explains the lack of them.
As for the rest, yeah it's fine and dandy that they are promising all these things to come a few months after launch, but the big question is why weren't they in before launch? I mean we all (testers) kept saying these things were needed and nothing ever came of it. Now after seeing the reviews of their game, almost all of them being negative (specially with the Japanese players being more pissed than others) they finally decide to add these 'features'...
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Aw, golly gee whiz, I missed a rant? Anyone got the cliff's notes version handy?
Originally posted by wizyear2099
Originally posted by eyeswideopen
Originally posted by Kaocan
Wait, what????
Your actually trying to make the argument that the number of people playing is fudged because they have retainers up?? Your serious?? You know that little about the game your arguing about??
Here, let me fill you in. Retainer, NPC.
Hey, Kaocan. Learn to read or stay out of the convo. I said "bazaar" not "retainer". You know, those hundreds of AFK characters ( can't call them players because they're not even at their damn keyboards ) sitting around the inns and crystals hoping you'll buy shit from them rather than waste your time searching those NPC retainers?
Still waiting to hear why you're still here when "the people who like FFXIV are playing it and avoiding this site"
And again, being AFK is not "playing" the game. Next you guys will argue that all asian mmos are highly successful because "look at all the AFK bots!!".
And to "HrVR2148" who says I'm "making up numbers" by saying 20+ hours AFK", sorry buddy, it's called logic. There isn't enough content in the game by design to keep anyone outside of grinders playing for more than 4 hours a day. That leaves -HEY!!! - 20 hours of AFK bot selling.
And while we're at it, how many of those people AFK "playing" are going to be there when the sub fees start? I bet the number will be way lower than any fanboi here is willing to project.
FIXED, where is art tho RMT!? we don't have spammers in our channels BUY GIL BUY GIL BUY GIL BUY GIL!
The fansite auction house: http://ffxiv.yg.com/ you can search to items in the game instead of wasting tons of hours. Go to where they are in the game an buy.
Further changes we have planned for the near future, which will be coming sometime after the first version update, include the following:
Search feature to allow item searches by individual wards
Icon display to identify retainers selling sought-after items
Increase in the number of retainers that may be employed
1. The chat channels are shit, outside of LS chat the game might as well be dead for as much as you see ANYTHING posted in local chat.
2. Hey, is the PS3 version going to come bundled with a FFXIV laptop inside the box so people can use outside sites to get the info every other mmo has available ingame?
3. I don't give a crap what the director says WILL BE, I only care about what there actually IS. Those "improvements" the director alludes to aren't coming 'til late November - mid December. 60 days will be over for a lot of people before then. When your game is being slammed on every side from players and gaming sites both, you don't do one measely bug fix a week and call it a day. Tell me, how much have you seen them do since that announcement?
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Thank you. What a steaming pile of rage your previous post was.
Yeah I know, I decided that even if this whoever he is deserved what I wrote, the rest of this community didnt need to be subjected to it. I just erased it all and placed his ass on ignore. Not that he ever had enything worth reading in the past anyway. All hate and misconceptions and an agenda to spread even more of that to others. No great loss.
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Must be that it's early morning for me but your red posts completely went over my head as to what you are trying to say in regards to my post.
Well I'm off to drink some coffee maybe it'll clear things up ... but I doubt it.
So in 6 months, if your wrong, are you going to come back here and state publically you were? I mean you have been stating this for the past 6 weeks at least. If your so sure of your predictions, I dont see why you wont stand by your word. Shall we call it March 15th? Give it a good 6 months to see if this game is closed for business like you have called for?
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Your missing the whole point. If the trend showed 1500 (theoretically) people Mon-Thurs every week, then the population trend would stay the same. What this is showing is the population EVERY Mon-Thurs on this graph is declining. Meaning every concuring week, less players are on during the week. This will reflect on the weekends as well, while the population for sure is higher because more people have time, the general trend would show a decline in players.
What I think you're misunderstanding is that these are the same days, not weekend -> weekday with only one sample shown.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
Aha so you are here again. No problem mate.
First off .... where have I been stating this for the past 6 weeks? You use the same spin tactics as Geldon to attack posts and to discredit them. Somebody posts some critics, you 2 are there to slander with every means possible missing the ball completely in the process.
Second ... where did I shout, say, mention or even hint that the game would close down? Just go down my post history, please do, and tell me where I said that.
Now we got your spinning turned around again we can focus on the rest of your post ...
Hmm, not much left to discuss really. Peace.
Oh my mistake, I thought when you referred to the other poster as seeing through rose colored glasses and infring that his glass would hold no water in 6 months as...well, as exactly what you said there. That you believe the other poster is dillusional in his view of this game and that in 6 months it will have no players left on it. Unless you meant something different there??
But yeah, same response I got from you the last time I asked if you would buck up in 6 months if your wrong. Honestly didnt expect anything different this time around mate. Really think no way in hell you or any of the other haters on here would have the balls to come back in 6 months if your wrong and admit it. but thats ok, as you put it, we'll see how much water is left in your glass in 6 months. **wink**
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Just out of curiosity why do you come to the FFXIV forums? You constantly just criticize people and the game if you don’t like it why come here(this paticular part of the forums)? I dont know if you know this but there are tons of games that have a possitive population you can join. I know it’s all free for people that have anythign positive to say so really why are you here? I’m just curious.....
Yep your mistake as usual.
I do not constantly criticize the game and people liking it. Please check my post history and you'll see that.
I do come here and debunk statements that are obviously flawed and full off ...
I have allways stated the game wasn't finished and needs a lot of work and it can be ready inside 6 months if SE works hard.
I never said it will fail or close down or whatever. I even stated that I would buy the game after 6 months (if SE gets their shit together) but could be postponed for ever since there are other titles lurking around the corner to be released.
My reply on the post that seems to get all you peoples panties in a twist was just stating that SE will loose people to the other games releasing soon (STOR in particulary) and that the game was not ready for release to begin with.
You do know this is a forum and I'm entitled to post my opinions no? I guess you just got on the bandwagon and decided to throw in some unfounded remarks before checking your facts.
If people only are allowed to post positives of a game when there are obvious downsides, then what is the purpose of these forums.
As I stated in other threads. Some people regard/use these forums as benchmarks to either buy or postpone purchase of a game. So yes I will come in and try to refute remarks that are clearly not true or spinned around to make the game look better then it is.
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Well there you go of your knockers again as you allways do pulling in completely unrelated issues just to prove your point and getting offensive in the process.
At this moment I allready forgot what your point was to be honest with all your balls flying in the air.
Oh yeah, I never pretended to be a white knight I only responded to his question to as why I am posting in a FFXIV forum.
You have fun catching those balls when they come down.
Something else that chart doesn't show, and every person so far who has tried to say FFXIV is doing well because it has so-and-so people playing at any one time seems to gloss over it, is: how many of the people online are actually playing and how many are simply leaving their characters logged in to sell from their bazaar?
I have a feeling if SE were to actually implement an AH, or a reliable AH-style search system for retainers, everyone would suddenly see big dips in their servers populations when conducting "census" counts simply from people no longer having to stay logged in 24 hours a day to sell their crap.
For example, a server right now may show 1500 people online at peak playtimes, while that same server with people no longer needing to stay logged in for bazaar selling would most likely drop to between 1000-1100 players at peak times.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Why would you be selling stuff on your retainer if you don't intend on playing the game? If you have your retainer active or are using your Bazaar, then you are "playing the game."
Just because a game has a bazaar mechanic that allows people to keep the game on means we shouldn't count that as playing? (lol). The game is on, the character is active, you are trying to do something in game to get money, to spend it on something else, or save it. That sounds like playing to me.
Oh, AFK for 20+ hours a day is "playing" to you? This is what SE has counted on the most from its players: low standards.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Stop making up numbers and pretending it proves anything.
Yes, people afk while they're selling stuff. But it begs the question... why they hell are they selling stuff if they have NO INTENTIONS of playing the game. Presumably, if they're playing other games, they can't have FFXIV on to sell stuff. The people have active bazaars are actually a very good indicator of the current subscriber base/active accounts.
So by your standards, someone has to play a game for 15 hours a day for it to count? so playing 4-5 hours and then setting up a bazaar for the rest of the time doesn't count? So just because a game like wow doesn't have a bazaar mechanism, and by your standards, if someone only plays an hour of wow a day, it doesn't count.
Regardless, all of this speculation is just that, wild guesses. Wait another month and you'll see people voicing their opinion with their wallets. The only true measure of a game is how many people are actively paying to play it.
I'm not making any guesses on how many that will be, it will likely be less because that's the case for ALL GAMES that come out of the free trial period. But don't pretend that using a designed game mechanic as it is intended some how means it shouldn't count towards people "playing" the game.
Wait, what????
Your actually trying to make the argument that the number of people playing is fudged because they have retainers up?? Your serious?? You know that little about the game your arguing about??
Here, let me fill you in. Retainer, NPC. Does NOT require the player to be logged in to be up. Personal Bazzar yes, but there is only a very small percentage of players that actually leave thier characters logged inwhen they are not online. This is all common sense, TAX. Anyone who plays this game knows your retainer in the correct ward or in a stall is a 2% tax, wrong ward 5% tax, personal bazzar is a 10% tax. Now sure, if you in a BIG hurry to move your product you'll set it up on your bazzar, and accept the loss. But I dont know too many who are in that big of a hurry. And trust me, when I walk thru the markets (not the wards) I'm not seeing that many people standing around afk like there used ot be. Once they learned the tax spike they stopped that practice pretty quick. To be honest, that alone might be the cause of your decline in the server population over the past 2 weeks, but that trend is almost entirely past now.
As for the Xfire statistics...come on, didnt we go through all this with Aion, and you were all proven wrong in the end on that doom and gloom road too. Do we really have to go through it all again?? We dont need to bring back Zondorf again really. The percentage of people that use Xfire is unreliable to the game populations, it is only a snapshot of a small group of players. Its like asking 20 people at a Bingo game if they like Bingo. Xfire caters to a certain type of gamer, and thier numbers only reflect the trend of that type of player, not the genre as a whole. Dont try and make it out to be anything else because it isnt.
Seriously, the only measure of a games success is if it is profitable to the company that has made it. If it is, they will keep it running, if its losing money they will close it down. Thats all there is to it. Right now FFXIV is making SE money, period. When they start to lose money they will reevaluate the project and decide how to procede from there. And NO, FFXIV is NOT the only game SE has out right now, and NO Final Fantasy is NOT the only line of games they offer. It is only ONE of many.
Really, stop picking out just what you want out of the facts to support your arguments. All the facts please, or dont even bother. Sure, I can walk outside for 5 days in a row and see it warm and sunny and say the weather is always warm, sunny, and great.....in Buffalo. But that doesn't make it true now does it?
And just for the record, I'm not saying there isnt a decline in server population, because there is, I hope is goes farther before it gets better actually. There are still way too many people playing who hate the game entirely but for some reason feel it better to log in everyday, play for 10 minutes and spend the next 2 hours bitching about how much they hate it (kind of like these forums). So yeah, hopefully in a month or two all those people will jump ship for Cata or something they like and let the community grow and prosper without them.
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I love replies like this! Always get me giggling.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
>>>>>>>> you are agreeing with him. He has a pretty good point if you don't try to split hairs down to nothing.
>>>>>>>> "buts" are useless in an intelligent debate
>>>>>>>> this is completely made up and not true of 95% of every MMO I have ever played. A ton of folks leave an MMO on all the time and even run multiple characters which SE was careful to specifically address in their 30 day additional giveaway. MMO gamers are compulsive in that way. I was just reading a post from someone on here that got caught fishing with a bot while they weren't playing. It's not that far of a stretch that they'd be doing something you'd actually be allowed to do.
>>>>>>> Your opinion is not necessarily common sense. In fact, it's probably not based on your taste in comparison to the rating this game has recieved on a dozen internet sites. Common sense is common, as in, majority.
Someone could just as easily say that 1/3 of the current players on each server were actually just one player playing more than one character. There is no way to prove or disprove this and so it's not even worth debating over.
Numbers really are just food for chat until the free time has expired and then we all see just how much people really like the game. If there is a downward spiral in numbers before the free giveaway has expired then it's reasonable to assume there is going to be a sharp falloff when it actually costs more cash to play. It's all theory.
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
I log in at any time of day, and there are an abundant amount of people playing. What is the problem?
Hint: Attrition rates rape.
Hey, Kaocan. Learn to read or stay out of the convo. I said "bazaar" not "retainer". You know, those hundreds of AFK characters ( can't call them players because they're not even at their damn keyboards ) sitting around the inns and crystals hoping you'll buy shit from them rather than waste your time searching those NPC retainers?
Still waiting to hear why you're still here when "the people who like FFXIV are playing it and avoiding this site"
And again, being AFK is not "playing" the game. Next you guys will argue that all asian mmos are highly successful because "look at all the AFK bots!!".
And to "HrVR2148" who says I'm "making up numbers" by saying 20+ hours AFK", sorry buddy, it's called logic. There isn't enough content in the game by design to keep anyone outside of grinders playing for more than 4 hours a day. That leaves -HEY!!! - 20 hours of AFK bot selling.
And while we're at it, how many of those people AFK "playing" are going to be there when the sub fees start? I bet the number will be way lower than any fanboi here is willing to project.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
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FIXED, where is art tho RMT!? we don't have spammers in our channels BUY GIL BUY GIL BUY GIL BUY GIL!
The fansite auction house: http://ffxiv.yg.com/ you can search to items in the game instead of wasting tons of hours. Go to where they are in the game an buy.
Also the director says : http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail? id=f2cf790e548828eb22d3c4dff5f04bf0793632b5
Further changes we have planned for the near future, which will be coming sometime after the first version update, include the following:
Search feature to allow item searches by individual wards
Icon display to identify retainers selling sought-after items
Increase in the number of retainers that may be employed
Well to be honest there really aren't any channels for spammers to spam in, so that explains the lack of them.
As for the rest, yeah it's fine and dandy that they are promising all these things to come a few months after launch, but the big question is why weren't they in before launch? I mean we all (testers) kept saying these things were needed and nothing ever came of it. Now after seeing the reviews of their game, almost all of them being negative (specially with the Japanese players being more pissed than others) they finally decide to add these 'features'...
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Thank you. What a steaming pile of rage your previous post was.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
Aw, golly gee whiz, I missed a rant? Anyone got the cliff's notes version handy?
1. The chat channels are shit, outside of LS chat the game might as well be dead for as much as you see ANYTHING posted in local chat.
2. Hey, is the PS3 version going to come bundled with a FFXIV laptop inside the box so people can use outside sites to get the info every other mmo has available ingame?
3. I don't give a crap what the director says WILL BE, I only care about what there actually IS. Those "improvements" the director alludes to aren't coming 'til late November - mid December. 60 days will be over for a lot of people before then. When your game is being slammed on every side from players and gaming sites both, you don't do one measely bug fix a week and call it a day. Tell me, how much have you seen them do since that announcement?
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Yeah I know, I decided that even if this whoever he is deserved what I wrote, the rest of this community didnt need to be subjected to it. I just erased it all and placed his ass on ignore. Not that he ever had enything worth reading in the past anyway. All hate and misconceptions and an agenda to spread even more of that to others. No great loss.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)