But the basic point remains. They communicating their plan with their players and the basic plan is to add content, deal with the laggy interface, generally improve the interface and improve the trading system. These are, in broad terms, the most major problems that were brought up. So I would say, yes, it looks like they are pointed the right direction. Now, will they get to the goal? Time will tell.
Holy mother of mercy. A well written post that has no personal attacks, read-between-the-lines facestabs, or anything else aggressive. I like you. May there be more FFXIV fans like you.
So much here in this list that I always wanted from XI and Vanguard.
Zero regret for going back to Square Enix, I know I'm just feeding the trolls here a thanksgiving dinner but I think this really shows why Square Enix is the best MMO developer out there, and honestly the only MMO developer I'd even consider buying another MMO from at this point. I quit XI in 07, played Vanguard for 2 years (and every other non scam/f2p MMO out there) I already thought nothing compares to XIV, and with all of this I am getting more than I honestly hoped for before the first expansion.
I wasn't expecting anything even half this size before the PS3 release.
What an amazing post. If I may ask, what non scam MMO have your played which falls short of FFXIV in your eyes?
I don't think it's not impossible to enjoy the game but to go this far, come on, you're on happy pills.
What an amazing post. If I may ask, what non scam MMO have your played which falls short of FFXIV in your eyes?
Maybe his standards were just REALLY low and he enjoys being taken advantage of. I don't think it's not impossible to enjoy the game but to go this far, come on, you're on happy pills.
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Ok:
Originally posted by Benthon
Originally posted by VikingGamer
But the basic point remains. They communicating their plan with their players and the basic plan is to add content, deal with the laggy interface, generally improve the interface and improve the trading system. These are, in broad terms, the most major problems that were brought up. So I would say, yes, it looks like they are pointed the right direction. Now, will they get to the goal? Time will tell.
Holy mother of mercy. A well written post that has no personal attacks, read-between-the-lines facestabs, or anything else aggressive. I like you. May there be more FFXIV fans like you.
Ehm... may there also be more FFXIV critics and bashers like the Viking guy
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
This is exactly what they needed to do in the beta.
Fixed that for you.
Actually I will disaggree with you. Initial content should be largely delivered before the beta. Beta should be for testing and refining that content to a nice polish. There should have been no new content added until the first content patch at the earliest 4 months into the game.
This is definitly adding content that should have been delivered at the release of the game.
Did you play FFXI? What kind of content did it have that the highend players went to? Do they have large raid instances similar to World of Warcraft, or open dungeons like Everquest? What does FFXIV have right now as far as existing high-end content?
Nope, never could get the game to work. But from what I hear there is no end game in this game. I am not sure where you are going with this however. I am not disagreeing. I think that a game, at release, should have enough content to be played as a complete game in and of itself. That is not to say that it wont be expanded or extended at a later time and more content wont ever be added. It is simply to say that there should be enough delivered that you have a playable complete game with nothing more than bug fixes if necessary. WAR had the city siege at release. A sucky city siege but it was there. WoW had Molten Core at release. Only Molten Core, but it was there. Aion had the core of the Abyss and Divine fortress. Took forever before anyone conquered it. Two months I think. But it was there.
The game can be pretty limited in its scope at release but it must have stuff to do at every level including the current max level, be it quests, or grinding locations or dungeons or other encounters, whatever. But what you can't have is gaps in your content. Gaps are design flaws. And "go work on your trade skills" is not a good answer.
But, from this announcement, it looks like they are intending to fill the gaps. No, the gaps should not have been their in the first place but you can't go back in time now. The best thing they can do is fill the gaps and it sound like thats exactly their plan.
What an amazing post. If I may ask, what non scam MMO have your played which falls short of FFXIV in your eyes?
Maybe his standards were just REALLY low and he enjoys being taken advantage of. I don't think it's not impossible to enjoy the game but to go this far, come on, you're on happy pills.
??
Ok:
Originally posted by Benthon
Originally posted by VikingGamer
But the basic point remains. They communicating their plan with their players and the basic plan is to add content, deal with the laggy interface, generally improve the interface and improve the trading system. These are, in broad terms, the most major problems that were brought up. So I would say, yes, it looks like they are pointed the right direction. Now, will they get to the goal? Time will tell.
Holy mother of mercy. A well written post that has no personal attacks, read-between-the-lines facestabs, or anything else aggressive. I like you. May there be more FFXIV fans like you.
Ehm... may there also be more FFXIV critics and bashers like the Viking guy
It may seem lame, but I'm high on percocet right now. Probably not in the best state to type, but I'll go ahead and edit my post, I was out of line.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
This is exactly what they needed to do in the beta.
Fixed that for you.
Actually I will disaggree with you. Initial content should be largely delivered before the beta. Beta should be for testing and refining that content to a nice polish. There should have been no new content added until the first content patch at the earliest 4 months into the game.
This is definitly adding content that should have been delivered at the release of the game.
Did you play FFXI? What kind of content did it have that the highend players went to? Do they have large raid instances similar to World of Warcraft, or open dungeons like Everquest? What does FFXIV have right now as far as existing high-end content?
Nope, never could get the game to work. But from what I hear there is no end game in this game. I am not sure where you are going with this however. I am not disagreeing. I think that a game, at release, should have enough content to be played as a complete game in and of itself. That is not to say that it wont be expanded or extended at a later time and more content wont ever be added. It is simply to say that there should be enough delivered that you have a playable complete game with nothing more than bug fixes if necessary. WAR had the city siege at release. A sucky city siege but it was there. WoW had Molten Core at release. Only Molten Core, but it was there. Aion had the core of the Abyss and Divine fortress. Took forever before anyone conquered it. Two months I think. But it was there.
The game can be pretty limited in its scope at release but it must have stuff to do at every level including the current max level, be it quests, or grinding locations or dungeons or other encounters, whatever. But what you can't have is gaps in your content. Gaps are design flaws. And "go work on your trade skills" is not a good answer.
But, from this announcement, it looks like they are intending to fill the gaps. No, the gaps should not have been their in the first place but you can't go back in time now. The best thing they can do is fill the gaps and it sound like thats exactly their plan.
I wasn't going anywhere with it. I was just genuinely curious if you played FFXI so that I could find out what type of end-game it had and what kind of experience you had. What is the highest level person you've encountered in FFXIV and when would you say the first person to hit 50? would be? If it's somewhat high and somewhat soon, I forsee a lot of bored players. :
as for ffxi i can say: they planned to increase the levelcap to 99 till december 2010 now in december we get only to 90. and Wings of the Goddess (may) be finally done from SE after like a half year later.
but other than that: in those years everything that was on those lists for ffxi really was implemented in the time schedule.
SE will implement this at least till january 2011.
Now im don'T have proof for ffxiv for that and i know it's another team working on ffxiv but in almost 10 years of ffxi listing up things to come up and even put some things into the game we didnt know of (as a sugar on top) i trust SE in this one. seriously that's the only side i trust SE in mmo-markets. they do keep their promise. promised....
This is exactly what they needed to do in the beta.
Fixed that for you.
Actually I will disaggree with you. Initial content should be largely delivered before the beta. Beta should be for testing and refining that content to a nice polish. There should have been no new content added until the first content patch at the earliest 4 months into the game.
This is definitly adding content that should have been delivered at the release of the game.
Did you play FFXI? What kind of content did it have that the highend players went to? Do they have large raid instances similar to World of Warcraft, or open dungeons like Everquest? What does FFXIV have right now as far as existing high-end content?
Nope, never could get the game to work. But from what I hear there is no end game in this game. I am not sure where you are going with this however. I am not disagreeing. I think that a game, at release, should have enough content to be played as a complete game in and of itself. That is not to say that it wont be expanded or extended at a later time and more content wont ever be added. It is simply to say that there should be enough delivered that you have a playable complete game with nothing more than bug fixes if necessary. WAR had the city siege at release. A sucky city siege but it was there. WoW had Molten Core at release. Only Molten Core, but it was there. Aion had the core of the Abyss and Divine fortress. Took forever before anyone conquered it. Two months I think. But it was there.
The game can be pretty limited in its scope at release but it must have stuff to do at every level including the current max level, be it quests, or grinding locations or dungeons or other encounters, whatever. But what you can't have is gaps in your content. Gaps are design flaws. And "go work on your trade skills" is not a good answer.
But, from this announcement, it looks like they are intending to fill the gaps. No, the gaps should not have been their in the first place but you can't go back in time now. The best thing they can do is fill the gaps and it sound like thats exactly their plan.
I wasn't going anywhere with it. I was just genuinely curious if you played FFXI so that I could find out what type of end-game it had and what kind of experience you had. What is the highest level person you've encountered in FFXIV and when would you say the first person to hit 50? would be? If it's somewhat high and somewhat soon, I forsee a lot of bored players. :
I know a guy who played FFXI for 3 years and he is definilty a "play it to the high end" endgame type player so I would assume that it had something good for him. He is really the only reason that I gave FFXIV a try in the first place. But even he played this game for a few days and then gave it up. He hated how they changed the interface from the original game and the lack of things to do. Based on that I would be confident that they can eventually deliver some good endgame content, even if it is not there yet. Also, be careful about any assumptions that the endgame has to come only when you hit the level cap. Asian games are more often designed from the perspective of getting within 5 or 10 levels of the cap and being able to get into the endgame at that point with the last few levels serving as a longer term progression though the endgame rather than using a tiered gear progression model like WoW. So I would expect that we are probably still months away from seeing even some phys lvl 50s. But I bet there are already folks in their 40s. And then with the job system, I bet it will be a long time before someone gets to rank 50 in anything let alone mulitple things. In that sense, I don't think the game is intended to be capped. But that is all just speculation.
Who is the highest person I have encountered? lvl 10 or so probably but I quit the game 3 days after release.
Did you play FFXI? What kind of content did it have that the highend players went to? Do they have large raid instances similar to World of Warcraft, or open dungeons like Everquest? What does FFXIV have right now as far as existing high-end content?
I know a guy who layed FFXI for 3 years and he is definilty a "play it to the high end" endgame type player so I would assume that it had something good for him. He is really the only reason that I gave FFXIV a try in the first place. But even he played this game for a few days and then gave it up. He hated how they changed the interface from the original game and the lack of things to do. Based on that I would be confident that they can eventually deliver some good endgame content, even if it is not there yet. Also, be careful about any assumptions that the endgame has to come only when you hit the level cap. Asian games are more often designed from the perspective of getting within 5 or 10 levels of the cap and being able to get into the endgame at that point with the last few levels serving as a longer term progression though the endgame rather than using a tiered gear progression model like WoW. So I would expect that we are probably still months away from seeing even some phys lvl 50s. But I bet there are already folks in their 40s. And then with the job system, I bet it will be a long time before someone gets to rank 50 in anything let alone mulitple things. In that sense, I don't think the game is intended to be capped. But that is all just speculation.
Who is the highest person I have encountered? lvl 10 or so probably but I quit the game 3 days after release.
now as question fro ffxi endgame content: there are instanced areas and non-instance areas. for non-instance areas linkshells have to communicate with eath other and maybe post their dates and runs up to the calendar (dynamis in example) which is a fan made website.
for instanced things theres a lot to do. as for now there is so much endgame content you can do that you barely know what you want to do right now. kinda sucks.
as for FFXIV: i dunno from SE's side but that really brings up the thinking: didnt they think ahead of the players who would play almost all the time and get to high le level as fast as possible? yeah sure but that's the absolute minority. now as for WoW for example (yes that comparisson again) i asked my roommate and he said WoW didnt have that much endgame content but it had Endgame-content. so there was something to do besides grinding crafting and whatnot. Maybe SE hasnt found their balance for EG-content (SE really hated the idea of instanced areas. for example a BCNM fight in ghelsba outpost this wasnt isntanced the people outside could watch through the fence and see how you did.) SE kinda hated instanced areas but now i think they can work with it.
i just hope at least to January 2011 there is something to do. and even if it is a tedious questline that's soo long and you only get 10 gil. Please entertain me SE for all that it's worth.
They're putting water onto the fire, that's for sure. Only time will tell if they're using a fire hose or a water gun. In the case of the latter, I wouldn't give them credit for "trying" or "doing SOMETHING", because players will still be quitting and the game will still be bad. At this point, they HAVE to do something like this, unless they were totally inept and didn[object Window]t have a clue how to run an MMO (which is false, since they had FFXI).
Im glad that they have another large update coming but it is still too soon and not enough to make it worth playing. (6 months sounds accurate). I will keep FFXIV on the radar in hopes they further tweek the UI (completely overhaul), add a auction retainer browser (similar to EQ1 bazaar), and add content to make it feel like my character is progressing and not grinding.
I know that sounds like a lot but a playable game with a reason to stay logged on seems like a no brainer to me.
The developers themselves (you know. the ones that invisioned the game it's world and spent countless hours creating it. The ones that continue to work on improving it.) care. The number crunchers and buisness men that forced them to release an unfinished product do not.
The developers themselves (you know. the ones that invisioned the game it's world and spent countless hours creating it. The ones that continue to work on improving it.) care. The number crunchers and buisness men that forced them to release an unfinished product do not.
Actually they are only likely to "care", with continued pay cheques. So yeah, they'll care, but only about keeping their jobs. The "suits" didn't design the game, the developers did. They are just as much to blame (if not more so) than anyone pushing for release, which incidently there is no evidence of. It was also the development team that ignored just about every bit of feedback during beta. FF XIV was in development for years, with very little to show for it. Shocking, but even Cryptic managed to put STO out with more content and "fun factor", and it look them only 1.5 years.
This is an issue that has been going on in the gameing industry for a long time now. Pretty much since it became a mainstream form of entertainment. Gamedesign isnt something you get into because it pays great. It's also kind of obvious that they pushed to release to beat the WoW expantion release. Also.. really STO? That game is a huge steaming pile.
This is an issue that has been going on in the gameing industry for a long time now. Pretty much since it became a mainstream form of entertainment. Gamedesign isnt something you get into because it pays great. It's also kind of obvious that they pushed to release to beat the WoW expantion release.
Now the expansion is probably going to eat the game alive. What a horrible decision on the suits and the devs part. They should've held back release to Q1 2011 it wouldve been perfect timing as lots of people would just be getting bored of the expansion and been searching for something new.
This is an issue that has been going on in the gameing industry for a long time now. Pretty much since it became a mainstream form of entertainment. Gamedesign isnt something you get into because it pays great. It's also kind of obvious that they pushed to release to beat the WoW expantion release.
Now the expansion is probably going to eat the game alive. What a horrible decision on the suits and the devs part. They should've held back release to Q1 2011 it wouldve been perfect timing as lots of people would just be getting bored of the expansion and been searching for something new.
You got that right. The suits probably just needed the boost to their end of year numbers. I think you guys need to realise that a Dev will tell "suits" all the time that something is not ready but get forced into releasing/implementing it regardeless.
Good list of fixes but its too late they should have done that in beta not in release why? Cause their active player base has already dipped to 50k in NA (barely over XI ironically) and about the same as WAR. One thing history has taught us is players never come back to replay an MMO after release.
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Holy mother of mercy. A well written post that has no personal attacks, read-between-the-lines facestabs, or anything else aggressive. I like you. May there be more FFXIV fans like you.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
I don't think it's not impossible to enjoy the game but to go this far, come on, you're on happy pills.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
??
Ok:
Ehm... may there also be more FFXIV critics and bashers like the Viking guy
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Nope, never could get the game to work. But from what I hear there is no end game in this game. I am not sure where you are going with this however. I am not disagreeing. I think that a game, at release, should have enough content to be played as a complete game in and of itself. That is not to say that it wont be expanded or extended at a later time and more content wont ever be added. It is simply to say that there should be enough delivered that you have a playable complete game with nothing more than bug fixes if necessary. WAR had the city siege at release. A sucky city siege but it was there. WoW had Molten Core at release. Only Molten Core, but it was there. Aion had the core of the Abyss and Divine fortress. Took forever before anyone conquered it. Two months I think. But it was there.
The game can be pretty limited in its scope at release but it must have stuff to do at every level including the current max level, be it quests, or grinding locations or dungeons or other encounters, whatever. But what you can't have is gaps in your content. Gaps are design flaws. And "go work on your trade skills" is not a good answer.
But, from this announcement, it looks like they are intending to fill the gaps. No, the gaps should not have been their in the first place but you can't go back in time now. The best thing they can do is fill the gaps and it sound like thats exactly their plan.
All die, so die well.
It may seem lame, but I'm high on percocet right now. Probably not in the best state to type, but I'll go ahead and edit my post, I was out of line.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
Cool, bro. Respect for that. If it can mix with percocet, have a beer
(I'm already having mine)
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I wasn't going anywhere with it. I was just genuinely curious if you played FFXI so that I could find out what type of end-game it had and what kind of experience you had. What is the highest level person you've encountered in FFXIV and when would you say the first person to hit 50? would be? If it's somewhat high and somewhat soon, I forsee a lot of bored players. :
He who keeps his cool best wins.
Hah! I wish.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
as for ffxi i can say: they planned to increase the levelcap to 99 till december 2010 now in december we get only to 90. and Wings of the Goddess (may) be finally done from SE after like a half year later.
but other than that: in those years everything that was on those lists for ffxi really was implemented in the time schedule.
SE will implement this at least till january 2011.
Now im don'T have proof for ffxiv for that and i know it's another team working on ffxiv but in almost 10 years of ffxi listing up things to come up and even put some things into the game we didnt know of (as a sugar on top) i trust SE in this one. seriously that's the only side i trust SE in mmo-markets. they do keep their promise. promised....
I know a guy who played FFXI for 3 years and he is definilty a "play it to the high end" endgame type player so I would assume that it had something good for him. He is really the only reason that I gave FFXIV a try in the first place. But even he played this game for a few days and then gave it up. He hated how they changed the interface from the original game and the lack of things to do. Based on that I would be confident that they can eventually deliver some good endgame content, even if it is not there yet. Also, be careful about any assumptions that the endgame has to come only when you hit the level cap. Asian games are more often designed from the perspective of getting within 5 or 10 levels of the cap and being able to get into the endgame at that point with the last few levels serving as a longer term progression though the endgame rather than using a tiered gear progression model like WoW. So I would expect that we are probably still months away from seeing even some phys lvl 50s. But I bet there are already folks in their 40s. And then with the job system, I bet it will be a long time before someone gets to rank 50 in anything let alone mulitple things. In that sense, I don't think the game is intended to be capped. But that is all just speculation.
Who is the highest person I have encountered? lvl 10 or so probably but I quit the game 3 days after release.
All die, so die well.
http://www.ffxivpro.com/player/Rabanastre/Hame-Quality and some others are.
now as question fro ffxi endgame content: there are instanced areas and non-instance areas. for non-instance areas linkshells have to communicate with eath other and maybe post their dates and runs up to the calendar (dynamis in example) which is a fan made website.
for instanced things theres a lot to do. as for now there is so much endgame content you can do that you barely know what you want to do right now. kinda sucks.
as for FFXIV: i dunno from SE's side but that really brings up the thinking: didnt they think ahead of the players who would play almost all the time and get to high le level as fast as possible? yeah sure but that's the absolute minority. now as for WoW for example (yes that comparisson again) i asked my roommate and he said WoW didnt have that much endgame content but it had Endgame-content. so there was something to do besides grinding crafting and whatnot. Maybe SE hasnt found their balance for EG-content (SE really hated the idea of instanced areas. for example a BCNM fight in ghelsba outpost this wasnt isntanced the people outside could watch through the fence and see how you did.) SE kinda hated instanced areas but now i think they can work with it.
i just hope at least to January 2011 there is something to do. and even if it is a tedious questline that's soo long and you only get 10 gil. Please entertain me SE for all that it's worth.
does it look like to anyone else that half of that list appear to be repeated stuff where theyve changed a few words to make it seem huge?
lol
even if you remove the repeated stuff ; if they can accomplish whats left and do it right they are on the right track.
They're putting water onto the fire, that's for sure. Only time will tell if they're using a fire hose or a water gun. In the case of the latter, I wouldn't give them credit for "trying" or "doing SOMETHING", because players will still be quitting and the game will still be bad. At this point, they HAVE to do something like this, unless they were totally inept and didn[object Window]t have a clue how to run an MMO (which is false, since they had FFXI).
Now this looks and sounds really good, it shows they really do care. I might just go get me a copy now.
I wouldn't say care I would say they were forced to unless they wanted to continue to lose money.
Im glad that they have another large update coming but it is still too soon and not enough to make it worth playing. (6 months sounds accurate). I will keep FFXIV on the radar in hopes they further tweek the UI (completely overhaul), add a auction retainer browser (similar to EQ1 bazaar), and add content to make it feel like my character is progressing and not grinding.
I know that sounds like a lot but a playable game with a reason to stay logged on seems like a no brainer to me.
just let this game rest in peace
If they cared they would have not launched the game in the condition that they did.
The developers themselves (you know. the ones that invisioned the game it's world and spent countless hours creating it. The ones that continue to work on improving it.) care. The number crunchers and buisness men that forced them to release an unfinished product do not.
My theme song.
Actually they are only likely to "care", with continued pay cheques. So yeah, they'll care, but only about keeping their jobs. The "suits" didn't design the game, the developers did. They are just as much to blame (if not more so) than anyone pushing for release, which incidently there is no evidence of. It was also the development team that ignored just about every bit of feedback during beta. FF XIV was in development for years, with very little to show for it. Shocking, but even Cryptic managed to put STO out with more content and "fun factor", and it look them only 1.5 years.
This is an issue that has been going on in the gameing industry for a long time now. Pretty much since it became a mainstream form of entertainment. Gamedesign isnt something you get into because it pays great. It's also kind of obvious that they pushed to release to beat the WoW expantion release. Also.. really STO? That game is a huge steaming pile.
My theme song.
Now the expansion is probably going to eat the game alive. What a horrible decision on the suits and the devs part. They should've held back release to Q1 2011 it wouldve been perfect timing as lots of people would just be getting bored of the expansion and been searching for something new.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
You got that right. The suits probably just needed the boost to their end of year numbers. I think you guys need to realise that a Dev will tell "suits" all the time that something is not ready but get forced into releasing/implementing it regardeless.
My theme song.
It is the miracle patch at last!
Good list of fixes but its too late they should have done that in beta not in release why? Cause their active player base has already dipped to 50k in NA (barely over XI ironically) and about the same as WAR. One thing history has taught us is players never come back to replay an MMO after release.