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SWTOR is going to kill WoW?
Sudowoodoo
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I first played WoW about 4 years ago. My then G/F at the time got me into WoW I taught myself all the ropes of the game right to me dropping WoW for the 3rd time even as a CATA beta tester with no desire to go back. Why? Because for me after playing CATA for just two weeks I realize Blizz done nothing new but change the scenery and added the the same grind to the beat of a diffrent drummer.
So with a gap in my MMO life Ive been researching and of course came across swtor and to tell you the truth Ive never played galaxies simply because I made the mistake of thinking it was another WoW clone. But it is not. It seems that the pve aspect alone blows the over simplistic Mage and Warlock OP classes that WoW still refuse to correct. Once again I can not say to much on galaxies pve aspect so this opinion is simply hear say and lots of investigating into swtor.
Now I know that maybe it is unfair of me to predict that swtor will kill wow... No it is shaping up to light years better then CATA ever thought bout being.
So I truly believe that the devs at Blizz should come up with yet another achievement for all who play WoW into 2011 that is "Endgame Slayer"
Perhaps it is bout time I picked up swtor and started playing it.
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It's going to be tough to find SWTOR, especially since it's not even released yet. You could break out a box of crayons, scissors and construction paper and pretend, though.
I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.
I doubt I'll play Cataclysm, but nothing is actually going to kill WoW. WoW might die, for the exact reason you mentioned, but it won't get killed. They've reached the point that people are loyal to the brand, and they would have to do something pretty astounding to break that bond of loyalty.
I am definitely going to play SW:ToR though...and maybe Rifts and very likely GW2. I'll have to stick to one subscription game though so it'll likely be Rifts or SW:ToR.
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Ok, first off... Galaxies (which I assume you are talking SWG) came out before WoW, thus couldnt possibly be a WoW clone. Secondly, I wonder if you are confusing Galaxies and SWTOR and mixing them together, as SWTOR has no release date yet and therefore couldnt be 'picked up and played.' Right now.
SWTOR looks good. SWTOR also looks like WoW. If you like WoW, and like StarWars, then you'll like SWTOR. but as has been said, it won't kill WoW. Blizzard will decide when to kill WoW, and that wont be for a LONG LONG time.
But more importantly, what is the definition of 'killing' WoW? Many people throw it out there, but no one defines it. Are we talking a shutdown of all the servers and not being able to play anymore? Are we talking a loss of half their player base? Some will argue that then WoW is dead, even though it still has 5mil people. Is WoW dead when another mainstream game has more subscriptions than it does?
WoW might start heading downhill soon, but it will be quite some time before it actually is put in the ground. I'd put money on it still being around when my kids have kids.
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While I do think the OP missed a few obvious facts somehow, I will say this:
SWTOR is using the same formula that WOW used when it surpassed EQ in sales. It's a formula which has not been duplicated before or since WOW, until now. Does this mean WOW will die/shut down/anything? No. It does mean that TOR has the potential to rival those mega sales numbers, and possibly out-sell WOW at some point.
We have seen the claims of a few dozen games being potential "WOW killers" over the last few years, but none of the developers actually seemed to grasp what it takest o make a true rival to WOW, until SWTOR.
All of that said, we will have to wait and see what really happens when the game comes out. There are many great things that have to go into a game to make it fun, and it only takes a couple of critical errors to ruin it.
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SWTOR does have a release date, not a specific one but it does have a rough one.
By killing WoW they most likely mean knocking it off the top spot.
Lastly, SWTOR doesn't look like WoW.
Considering the mixed welcome given to Bioware's reveals of graphics, combat, openness, space and crafting - as well as the ludicrously high financial figures it must meet to be sustainable - , we should wait until launch to find out whether the game will actually survive let alone 'beat' WoW.
Hi Zerminus. I think most playing the game at PAX and Gamescom commented that the graphics in person felt just right and considering the build..is already just as polished as most games out now. Many of us are simply concerned about the running animations of certain classes in attack mode. I don't think you need to be too worried when we get to play the final build.
I also don't think most of us care one way or another whether this kills wow or not, as long as it is fun and has a healthy population.
Finally, I agree that everything will be answered between launch and the 3-6 months that follow, but the more information they release the happier most people who arn't disgruntled sandbox folks seem to be..including even the Pro GW2 writers on this site. I want to apologize in advance if the game is successful. lol
There Is Always Hope!
WoW gave EQ players what they begged SOE to give them. WoW listened to the disgruntled players and adjusted. They continue to do that. This is what made WoW so popular. They filled a need that the other game that was the hot shot at the time wasn't fulfilling.
How is SWTOR making a game that WoW players are unhappy with? They aren't, therefore, it won't even come close to killing WoW.
Everyone calm down. SWTOR will not kill WoW. Its not even trying to kill WoW.
We all know only one thing will kill WoW... Colonel Mustard in the Library with the Lead Pipe.
Candlestick got nerfed and the Revolver is over powered.
Nothing will kill WOW. I hold hope that this will be the first really big scifi game to come out, don't get me wrong I like fantasy games but would be nice to get a decent scifi game for a change. Have to wait for beta to see though.
Yes this game will definitely kill WoW. Blizzard will close WoW's gates a month after TOR releases.
Sarcasm detected, lol. I do agree that Colonel Mustardd will kill WOW, but I think the Revolver nerf was just a hotfix until Bioware finishes Project Revolver.Corny internet humor aside, even if TOR somehow magically ends up stealing half of WOWs member base and surpassing it in sales, Warcraft would continue for years.
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Or you could wait for something to come out thats good.
Like swtor.
Just when you think you have all the answers, I change the questions.
Only thing thats gonna kill WoW is blizzard and Time. Everything gets old and dies at some point. So with that said can we stop talking about 'wow killers" how freaken old is this topic already? Give it up.
It's like the running gag, everytime a new game comes out, this will be brought up. I don't think this game will kill WoW either. But i don't think it needs to. As long as it has a healthy population and is fun then it doesn't matter if it does better then X game.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
I believe wow is already "dead".
Its like Jay Leno. Sure he has the most viewers, but nobody trusts that he is the future in fact he's over the hill.
Just when you think you have all the answers, I change the questions.
I miss Carson more than ever. : (
Interesting I thought like 4 days ago GW2 was supposed to kill WoW? Regardless both games have the same answer, they won't kill WoW. I doubt they'll have even close to the same success.
LOl, neither of them will kill Wow, even though it is possible that one of them might become larger than Wow.
As for success I think GW2 might get more active accounts since it have no monthly fees but comparison is unfair. It is also kinda confusing since Wows western players pay a lot more than the Asian ones so I guess the best way to measure is how much money they get in. And there don't I think anyone can compete with Wow including Blizzard themselves, I don't think any future game ever can get in the amount Wow have.
The oldest MMO around died not even a year ago, and it (Meridian 59) never had a large playerbase. UO and EQ are still around. So I would be surprised if Wow wont have open servers in 2020, even though it will have few players.
No it won't.
But there are sure to be dramatic opera pieces sung about it!
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
Only thing that will kill WoW is WoW itself. SWtoR will do good and sure take a good number away from WoW and other games. But each game still has a fan base and WoW's is pretty big so it will go on for some time.
No way...have you seen the animations?
And plzzz stop all those threads about who kills wow...
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One last time for the mentally challenged who do not get this concept:
NOTHING WILL KILL WOW.
WoW will fade away and die on its own. The revamped old zones and massive graphics overhaul is just another gimmik to keep the playerbase on the mmo treadmill. Eventually the stale mechanics and ungodly neverending class balance (6 years and almost every single class gets tweaked every patch) will do the job.
SWTOR does not WANT to kill wow. Competition is healthy for companies. Without wow, people would have nothing to compare SWTOR to right? Wow is an MMO juggarnaut. It has been and will be. We will be hearing about it 30 years from now. Seriously. All these posts and random comments about "Killing wow" are just fucking stupid. It's like saying "OMG HONDA IS GONNA KILL TOYOTA!" Not....gonna.....happen.
Focus on whats at hand, not some shitty contrived competition that only haters or mega-fanboys give 2 shits about.
I appreciate the OP's enthusiastic attitude, but mellow out and breath dude. You wont be playing swtor in the next 6-10 months unless you luck into a beta key...and then maybe. Until then, try for the rift beta, or gods and heroes, or something else to hold you over. But for god sake, let the wow-perma-death threads die.
Hmmm I tend to be a pretty literal person so when I hear "kill WOW" I literally think "to cause the death of", which is stupid on it's face no mmorpg is going to be the factor that causes the death of another. There is possibly a chance that TOR can make a dent in the staedy rise of WOW's population but it is not going to kill it.
Other questions that I wonder are things like, why does it matter if TOR is the "wow killer" or not? Or any game for that matter, is the idea of a "WOW killer" tied directly to ones need to play what is considered the number one mmorpg on the market?
Obviously I can't speak for everyone but a game only needs to have a healthy population to be considered worthy of my time.
I don't know how fair comparisons between cataclysm and TOR are since Cataclysm is simply an expansion of one of the biggest mmorpg's in the entire industry, while TOR is simply trying to release a game that can be compared favorably to WOW in depth of content.
Not only is it unfair of you to predict it but it's also unwise, in a genre that can be described by it's failures almost as easily as by it's successes why make a prediction about how a game that may be something like six months away is going to perform?
I really don't get it when I read your comments it seems pretty much in line with what I discovered about WOW after TBC, it didn't feel like the same fun it used to and much more like a grind. Where the confusion for me comes in though is why do you guys immediately equate that into negativity? Because you no longer find WOW to be fun to play, why does that mean something has to come along to "kill" it, why not just accept that you have outgrown what they want to offer and happily move onto another game?
Oh and MMORPG.COM let's think about adding something to the TOS agreement that we cannot make any more "WOW killer" threads, pretty please????
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....