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Wtf is with all these "F2P" games..all of them are money scams.
Pesmergia
Member Posts: 75
Every F2P game I've checked out, downloaded and tried always ha some retarded catch like paying money for virtual currency to unlock areas or gear or items.
From what I've seen and read, it seems the F2P industry is designed for 1 thing only, which is quick money gain.
I've met quite a few people in multiple F2P games who have blown away 100 bucks in 1 month just to make substancial progress and do already what a game should, include the basics, like the GAME, the whole game?
I'm glad I didn't get hurt by it, but I know people are tossing money around just to unlock the full game and features, and F2P is making a crap ton of money on nothing but ridiculously scamming people.
I may hate WoW but I'm going to find a good P2P game that is actually stable, this is ludacris.
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Paying to play F2P is giving you the full experience. Not paying to play a F2P may not always give you the full experience, but its better than not playing at all and the game can still be enjoyed. Nobody is forcing you to play or not to play. If your playing a F2P game and you really enjoy it, by all means support the devs and spend some money.
i don't find a lot of these games too bad if you can get the same item shop items people buy, either from trading for them or buying them off the auction house.
then you can just grind your butt off and get everything you need off the people who pay 100's a month.
it take s a lot of work though and at some point you just got to know when enough is enough.
Pesm, you're talking about a small percentage of people in free to play games. Most pay nothing at all.
However, in the majority of subscription games, 100% of the playerbase pays for a $40-$60 retail box, 100% of the playerbase pays $15 a month if they want to even play for a minute that month, and any player that wants to advance the new levels and gain the new content of an expansion has to pay the $30-$50 expansion price on top of that.
Where's the retard catch now?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
LOL .. they make a big part of the game free for you and you complain?
Research has shown that a MAJORITY of players do not pay a dime. I have no problem if others want to subsidize my gaming.
Deathenger that is the problem, a lot of F2P will not even allow you to progress unless you spend money, a lot of them require you to buy area to unlock, to be able to zone into the next exp zone.
And they are designed to try to "force" you into buying from them, because without the items, your progress is so slow it isn't even worth wasting your time.
I, for one, am not falling for it, I need a good PvE P2P MMO that is stable.
And that's different from a paid expansion for a subscription game how?
EDIT: I play a lot of F2P games and I'm having trouble trying to find more than maybe three F2P that require me to pay to enter the next zone. Could you post the games you are referring to when you say "a lot of them require you to buy area to unlock, to be able to zone into the next exp zone?"
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
What you are saying is that companies are out to make money... and that this offends you...
They don't make a big part of the game for free.
They program a couple exp zones, basic chat, quests, and alot of them require you to purchase zones.
Spending 60 bucks for a whole unlocked game vs having to pay per zone package is a little ludacris.
And all of you speak as if I have done anything, I haven't and will not pay for crap but to WHOEVER says 99% of the playerbse pays zero cents is crazy.
Spend about 2 hours downloading random F2P games and talk to people, LOL it;'s more along the lines of 75% do pay.
And most of the people who deny paying are just too ashamed to admit what everyone else has the balls to.
I have never played a game that was released F2P that requires you to purchase content, and I play a TON of f2p games.
The only ones that charge for more content are the failed p2p games that switched to f2p (lotro, potbs,eq2,ddo).
Most f2p games only have deco items or items that speed your leveling/whatever up. I have no clue what you are talking about with your post.
Develpment does cost money. I'm sure there should be a large group of people to spend their money to provide you with enterainment, but the real world intrudes.
I[object Window]ve played several games where the cash shop plays a big role in the game, but there are always work arounds. You just have to play harder if you wish to play for free.
If a game is enjoyable then I don[object Window]t have a problem with paying for it.
1) Who said 99? 85-80% is about the industry average, though. That's not anecdotal, that's a fact directly from the developers.
2) Your ass is not a reliable source of data.
3) So are you saying you really do pay for content ina F2P game?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Oh I bet the "developers" are little truth fairys wit little white crowns of truth, and truth wands, with truth boyscout badges.
I've only played a couple random basement F2Ps and got bored so here I am.
And no I haven't payed for anything how about you? I bet you have since you try that reverse phsycology bullrap to keep the headlight off of you.
It's funny how i've been playing f2p games for years and have never spent a dime on any of them, and still ended up with the same ammount of enjoyment as a p2p would have given me (they all pretty much do the same basic thing for me).
That's not to say there aren't scam-games, some are obviously built from the ground up with CS dependancy in mind *coughPWEcough*, but when you find out they are, you can just quit and try another one. No harm done, and you still played a game and had some fun passing the time.
Being able to enjoy f2p's all depends on what you expect from mmo's too I guess, to be the absolute best "end-gamer", or just to enjoy the fun of it and the random player interactions that the genre allows lol. One of those will cost you money, and the other will not (in most cases).
Also helps to use the mmo genre as a secondary gaming choice too :P
I agree just2duh
If every mmo company relied on monthly subs for their revenue, all but a select few would die. The smaller companies can't compete unless they create an easy way for folks to get into their games. Of course they want to generate revenue, so they all have to walk that line between accessibility and revenue. Some games get it right (Lotro), others wrong (Allods) but it's a viable method of generating revenue for a game without having to go head to head with the big boys (aka WoW).
This isn't the first thread I've seen the OP rail against f2p games. I, for one, and millions of players have had hours and hours of solid entertainment playing these 'scam' games and am glad they are out there.
Oh, and by the way...there are plenty of f2p titles that allow you to advance without spending money. If don't care enough to fact-check your statements about f2p mmorpg's, I'm sure you don't care enough to find games that allow free advancement..
What's even more hilarious is that one calls a f2p game a scam because they want money...while a sub game charges you $15 bucks whether you log in or not...every single month. I play both kinds, and will continue to do so along with a large segment of our community.
A more correct term should be "Pay as you Go" payment model.
That said.
With Fantasy Earth Zero and Lord of the Rings Online I've spent about 40 bucks on both this year. Each bit of content I've purchased in each game has felt like I actually got something with my purchase that was worthwhile. I don't play daily. I have a lifestyle that usually means I can't look at a computer screen for leisure for weeks at a time until I get a project done.
I've played sub games, currently missing the crap out of City of Heroes, and enjoyed them and felt like I got my money's worth. But there's been times when out of 3 months I'd log about 8 hours total. 14.99 + 14.99 + 14.99 = 44.97 that mostly went to logging into a game to see guild drama and sighing as I logged out.
For casual players this sort of plan is very helpful.
For companies it's very helpful because casual players will still pay for content like any subscriber would, rather than just ignore the game completely.
It doesn't harm anyone either. If anything if it's done fairly it helps the community around the game; be they freeps or subbers.
Depends if the cash shop is done right or not.. I've played a few F2P MMO's and for the most part they have been pretty good games and can be played failry cheap while still getting the full experience.. Beleive it or not popular F2P's like LOTRO i sorta stay clear from because of having to pay for content, thats not something i agree too..
Currently the F2P i'am playing (Heroes of Three Kingdoms) has a fair cash shop and FREE new content is introduced to it a lot.. Features are being added quickly and we even got a free expansion not too long ago that added 50 new levels, 3 new places for content, and really updated the graphics.. Everything in HOTKs cash shop is tradeable on the player market and even the cash market currency is tradeable for in game gold.. Everything is priced really well and no game breaking items are sold just things like fashion, special mounts (regular mounts can be earned in game and upgraded still too), and dbl xp items.. Stuff like that i find ok for a cash shop, but thats just me.
Uncharted Waters Online is another f2p MMO that comes to mind that has a fairly well cash shop.. There are more f2p games out there with cash shops like these.. I just recently started playing f2p MMO's after hearing all the horror stories i usually stayed clear.. But after wasteing $110 to get started in WoW and really disapointed in the game i was sorta forced to play f2p or stick to paying $15 for a month of P2P mmo's that i wont even know if i like..
I've been playing HOTK for about 5-6 months now and so far have spent $80 in game.. And i still have $15 of cash shop currency thats left on my account and im having a problem spending it as i've got everything i need.. I don't see myself really having to spend any more cash in this game unless i want items asap.. Everything can be obtained thru regular game play tho so i only resort to cash shop unless im lazy or looking for a new fashion/mount.
Currently Playing:
Rift + Starcraft II + Gears Of War 3 Beta
I agree. I have said this time and again. I tried out a vast part of the so called F2P games. It is as you say. Some small part is free for but anything substantial you have to pay, or you can play the bare minimum. It is no secret that companies get insanely rich with those "F2P" games. The name alone is a scam! Free to play! As if anything in life ever were free!
The truth is, most players pay netto considerably more in F2P games as in regular games with a monthly fee.
Compare it with flatrate connection VS pay per use. Most people end up paying and paying for new robes and nice mounts and new areas and whatnot. It's a myth that most people don't pay. F2P games make way more money to the company. And EVERY single F2P game I have ever seen was only variants of trash, on top of it.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
So what you're saying is you're shocked because the company putting out the F2P games you've tried don't just keep them running, completely for free, solely to entertain people? Free to play is just that- you are able to log in and play for no cost- it's no guarantee for all of the content, and has never even implied that. The people paying $100+ per month have impulse control issues.
This is one of the dumbest F2P rant threads I've ever read. Grats OP.
Exactly.. I'd actually beleive that people who play F2P are saving money in the long run.. Like i said, i paid $110 for WoW+60day gamecard... It was $40 for WoW+BC.. $40 for lich king.. and $30 for 60day game card.. I played for a total of 3 weeks until i was bored out of my mind.. The game was fun when i trialed it but failed to deliver towards the later levels and i just got bored of it.. I couldn't even get the money back i spent on BC+Lich King when i never even got to their content.
I have played my F2P game (HOTK) now for 5-6 months.. 5-6x longer then i played WoW.. and i've only spent $70-80 with $15 of it still on my account unspent.
edit: and the money wasn't spent on content or gear.. All that is playable and earned only through game play.. I paid for fashion + flashy new mount and dbl xp orbs because i'am more of a casual player.. These options just arnt availiable in most P2P mmo's.
Currently Playing:
Rift + Starcraft II + Gears Of War 3 Beta
You will never be able to enjoy all the game has to offer for 15 a month without something short of selling your soul time wise and to hell with any sort of a soothing game experience, it takes 100 a month plus for that so ya, its a scam dont let anyone else tell you anything different.
And ya you can enjoy some of the game for free and more of the game if you spend 15 a month but not all the game has to offer in any sort of reasonable time frame....
While I agree that most F2P games are a rip off and that you pay more money for less quality, saying they are a scam is just silly. Developers spend money making games. And one way or another they monitize it to attempt to make back a positive return. It's called business.
Remember Old School Ultima Online
It actually depends on a lot of things. Compulsive shoppers should not play F2P while Scrooge McDuck types should.
And certain F2P games demands a lot more money than others. DDO is not so expensive but playing RoM have the potential to be.
And games with a initial box cost will always be very expensive if you just play a few weeks or days.
But one thing is true: Nothing is free and the free part of F2P is a scam. MMOs can't be charity unless Bill Gates or someone else feels to rich and give away 100 mils to some devs for a free game. If they have monthly fees, RMT shops, box sales or adds to get in the money, or even all of them depends on the game but they must get in the money and that means someone has to pay.
You as a player will have to find the payment method that works best for you, I for once try to find the best game and don't worry so much of the money. But my best buy ever is the 4 Guildwars boxes I bought, most fun for least money.
only a scam if you actually pay. sounds like someone fell for one of the nigerian "i need to transfer you a million dollars, but i need you to give me a thousand to do it" scams.
tsk tsk tsk
They spend hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions of dollars making a game, then let you play it for free as long as you want without requiring you to pay a penny. Even after they've done that, you come here and complain that they aren't giving everyone free cash shop items, which are the only thing keeping the game afloat besides website ads, like leveling faster and looking like SSJ4 Vegeto.
Who's scamming who, again?