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  • ThomasN7ThomasN7 87.18.7.148Member CommonPosts: 6,690

    That is how I felt. I like the game but definitely not worthy of a monthly fee. So unfortunately SOE doesn't get my purchase.

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  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004

    Originally posted by TyrellJonez

    Originally posted by popinjay

     




    Originally posted by TyrellJonez

     

    OR, spend $20 and buy a freakin gamepad. Whomp, problem solved with the clicking for PC gamers.







    Not really, if you don't use a gamepad as well as a computer/keyboard/mouse.



    Gamepads are really for the younger generation when it comes to gaming. Actually, with the new console features like Kinects, Wii controllers and others.. people don't want to still be going "Left button, Right button, Click X4, Up, Up, Down, Left button" to do a block, or even remember the combos to do all that crap in the first place, lol.

     



    I know plenty of people who don't play MMOs simply because they don't know how to type or where to put their fingers. As slow as the typical PC MMO action is, they aren't able to keep up with games like WoW even because they don't have keyboard skills, and they don't want to buy a G15 just to play them.

     

     

    In the same way, there are people who "just buying a gamepad" doesn't solve their problem with games like this. It's like DCUO did no market research before making this game and just counted on the IP to sell games.

     



    There is a age cutoff that most adults will actually put down a gamepad and not use it anymore, as they aren't as quick as they used to be with it. Here you have a brand new "mmo" that requires fast action and fast clicking even with a gamepad. Those adults are the ones usually spending money on MMO sub fees without blinking. the console generation will just not do that.

     

    It's pretty much as simple as this: if companies make games like this that are shallow in content and then expect people to use things that they don't prefer to use just to play that game properly, they are going to have failed products.

     



    I believe this game will be popular for two months with the under 30 age group, but after that they will refuse to pay $15 bucks for one game on a console, when they can have more options and actually BETTER console games to spend their money on. In light of what's coming out for true console games in 2011, you'll see that people on PS3 won't be subbing this longterm. That only leaves PC people and with games like Rift, Tera, SWTOR and GW2.. they will drop this in a second.

     



    Let's face it.. this is the game people will play until the game they want comes along. If this goes to F2P or even $5/mo, then it will be sucessful. But this baby is clearly in the water stuck between two harbors, sorry.

    OK, not attacking you, but c'mon dude your arguement is flawed from the start? Older gamers don't use gamepads??? I'm 26, been playing since the super mario days (YES the first one on NES). Gamepads/Controllers are like riding a bike, you NEVER forget  how to do it like a pro.

     

    Ok lemme make it simple, if you like the game but don't like the keyboard and mouse setup, a gamepad is faaaaarrrr more optimal and makes it more immersive (IMO). Don't like "I'll ruin my mouse" be the excuse for not playing the game cuz lets face it, if a game is really fun, you'll FIND a way to play it.

     

    I am a comic fan. I am a Batman fanboy admittedly. I freakin love this game and already owned a controller. Yes when SW:Tor comes out i will jump ship because 75% of my friends, some of which have never played an MMO, will be playing as well. But will i come back to it or try to play it when i can? Hell yeah.

    Actually he's probably right, making this game more centred towards gamepads is a mistake, you only have to look at the disaster that is FFXIV to see how that went, the age of the gamepad is long past dead,  its rubbish for FPS games and barely acceptable for anything else, even Sony are recognising this fact with their new motion controller - which is an obvious copy of the Wii motion controller, Kinect, looks interesting.. and might even start making console gamers a bit 'fitter' it might even change the image of gamers being couch potatoes...  but gamepads.. meh.. who needs em..

  • Daffid011Daffid011 Member UncommonPosts: 7,945

    Originally posted by Ikeda

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    9 times out of 10, games that charge below that $15 are NOT from any AAA companies.  They tend to be indie developers trying to make a name for themselves.

    I'm sorry, you're playing a game that takes up resources, server, BW, and the like.  You expect some form of customer service.  If you expect to get it for free your either a freeloader or just plain nuts.  The ones that are cutting their losses either think they can nickel and dime people for MORE than $15 a month (LOTRO, EQII, DDO, etc) or they were craptastic to begin with and realize that no one would WILLINGLY plop down extra money on their garbage (ANYTHING Cryptic).  Claiming they are failing because of the $15 dollar model is like saying that there is a thunderstorm outside because I did the hokey-pokey drunk in my living room.  They may both exist in the same place but one cannot in ANY form be proven to have influence on the other.

    Who cares if a game is made by indi or AAA.  All that matters is if a game is strong enough to compete with a $15 a month price tag versus other games that charge that same amount.  Most of the games you listed done extremely poorly under the "everyone charges $15 so we can too" business model. 

     

    I am not saying I want the game or anything for free.  The point that seems to be going over your head is that a lot of people do not feel that DCU in the current shape it is in is worthy of a $15 subscription fee.  That doesn't make anyone a freeloader or nuts as you are trying to make it out to be.  It just means they do not feel DCU is game enough for a premium fee. 

  • ktanner3ktanner3 Member UncommonPosts: 4,063

    I'd rather play Arkham Asylum again while waiting for the sequal that comes out soon. Plenty of deep gameplay in that game without the monthly fee.

    Currently Playing: World of Warcraft

  • TheFurTheFur Member Posts: 96

    Originally posted by ktanner3

    I'd rather play Arkham Asylum again while waiting for the sequal that comes out soon. Plenty of deep gameplay in that game without the monthly fee.

     hehe, I was just thinking that last night as I was uninstalling DCUO beta....(now where did I put that disk...)

    yea this game isn't for me and that is sad because I have been collecting comics (DC mostly) for over 35yrs and I was really looking forward to it. But there is no way I am forking out $100 for the collectors ed. (I pre ordered it) and then $15 a month. Not to mention they are going to have an item mall as well to gouge you for more cash. I feel the same disappointment as I did when I quit SWG many moons ago.

    i will check back with it in 6-12 months and see what it is doing....

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  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Member CommonPosts: 10,910


    Originally posted by Abangyarudo

    Originally posted by lizardbones
     


    Originally posted by Ikeda
    I fail to see how my registering for the site fails to allow me to see how these companies have failed.  Let's look at the $15 model.
    EvE - $15 - Check
    WoW - $15 - Check
    AoC - $15 - Check
    Champions - $15 - Check
    LOTRO - $15 - Check (I believe at one point this was changed to/from $9.99)
    EQ2 - $15 - Check
    Lineage - $15 - Check
    Lineage II - $15 - Check
    STO - $15 - Check
    Global Agenda - $12ish
    CoH - $15 - Check
    WAR - $15 - Check
    DAOC - $15 - Check
    9 times out of 10, games that charge below that $15 are NOT from any AAA companies.  They tend to be indie developers trying to make a name for themselves.
    I'm sorry, you're playing a game that takes up resources, server, BW, and the like.  You expect some form of customer service.  If you expect to get it for free your either a freeloader or just plain nuts.  The ones that are cutting their losses either think they can nickel and dime people for MORE than $15 a month (LOTRO, EQII, DDO, etc) or they were craptastic to begin with and realize that no one would WILLINGLY plop down extra money on their garbage (ANYTHING Cryptic).  Claiming they are failing because of the $15 dollar model is like saying that there is a thunderstorm outside because I did the hokey-pokey drunk in my living room.  They may both exist in the same place but one does cannot in ANY form be proven to have influence on the other.



    Global Agenda has no monthly fee.

    Publishers start at what they want to charge for their product, regardless of the product's quality. Then, if the market says, "No", they go with what they can charge for their product.

    Personally, if I'm spending $15 a month, I expect a game that works, and can be played for a signifigant amount of every month. DC Universe isn't one of those games. I would put it ahead of Global Agenda on content, but not so much that I'd pay $15 a month to play it.
     


     what about the game does not work? Global Agenda is a horrible game it should be free. DC universe has both of that and is being worked on. I don't see your issue here but like usual you played it for 15 minutes and decided you already figured it out.



    The game totally locks up on some machines...not just the game but the whole system. The game also requires a patch to uninstall on all systems. I'm not sure what else doesn't work because that's more than enough for me.

    Global Agenda is a Buy 2 Play game with an inexpensive initial cost, no monthly sub, many hours of game play and several updates update the belt. Well worth the intitial cost. Especially since it doesn't lock up my machine.

    Now you know what my "issue" is. DCUO is (imo) a short lived game not worth a subscription. I actually played it, so I didn't just read the forums and then form an opinion. What's your issue?

    I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  • TUX426TUX426 Member Posts: 1,907

    Originally posted by Ikeda

    9 times out of 10, games that charge below that $15 are NOT from any AAA companies.  They tend to be indie developers trying to make a name for themselves.

    I'm sorry, you're playing a game that takes up resources, server, BW, and the like.  You expect some form of customer service.  If you expect to get it for free your either a freeloader or just plain nuts.  The ones that are cutting their losses either think they can nickel and dime people for MORE than $15 a month (LOTRO, EQII, DDO, etc) or they were craptastic to begin with and realize that no one would WILLINGLY plop down extra money on their garbage (ANYTHING Cryptic).  Claiming they are failing because of the $15 dollar model is like saying that there is a thunderstorm outside because I did the hokey-pokey drunk in my living room.  They may both exist in the same place but one cannot in ANY form be proven to have influence on the other.

    EQ2X is F2P and from the same developer as DCUO (SoE).

    Games don't "fail" because of the $15 fee - if that were the case, how the hell do you explain EVE or WoW? It's a fact that people WILL pay the $15 for any game they think is worth it. However...any game releasing WITH a $15 monthly tag, needs to have the content and mechanics to justify that price. Does DCUO have $15/month worth of content and mechanics, or will it release in a state similar to last years big hit, STO?

    DCUO is the THIRD superhero game - does it have more to offer than CoX? CO? If it has comparable content to what those games did at release, I think it'll do just fine because, lets face it, DC IS superheros.

    Not only is DCUO the 3rd Superhero MMO, it's also (from what I've been reading) very PvP/combat centric - SoE calls it an "Action MMO", Activision calls similar games FPS and just charges for box+DLC. DCUO will charge box+monthly fee+cash shop.

    DCUO is asking absolute top dollar for everything. I'm sure it'll be worth twice that to some players, but don't accuse people of being "freeloaders" for thinking a pseudo FPS may not be worth EVERYTHING SoE is asking. DCUO isn't cheap.

  • adam_noxadam_nox Member UncommonPosts: 2,148

    I've tried rift and dcuo at least looks, runs, and plays better from my limited experience with both.

  • SabasSabas Member UncommonPosts: 217

    Originally posted by TUX426

     
     Does DCUO have $15/month worth of content and mechanics, or will it release in a state similar to last years big hit, STO?

    Are we seriously comparing DCUO to STO now?

    Have you even tried STO in beta and DCUO in beta? I'm thinking you didn't or else you would not even try to bring that up.

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    DCUO is to me worth the €12/month because it offers something that I can not find in any other MMO on the market right now.

    Eventhough I don't like cash shops next to a subscription fee, but apparently thats what the customer wants. :/

     

    Its not a perfect situation but nothing ever is.

    Me being a jaded cynical MMO player who has been around (you know the type) I am beyond belief that I actually enjoyed DCUO. I also do not think I am unique, I'm quite sure there are many "old guys" who are very happy with DCUO because it offers something genuinly new, new to the MMO genre that is. Yes, the mechanics its uses are unique to the MMO genre, that includes the real time combat (in 3 dimensions) with physics in a persistent world that work.

    Where in rift (to name one) I logged 2 hours and just couldn't get myself to replay the same game we have been playing for years. Oh but wait it has a fully adaptable U.I.

    That does not mean that rift is a bad game, its just not something that can hook me after so many years of games just like it. 

    I think DCUO is being sold short.

  • TUX426TUX426 Member Posts: 1,907

    Originally posted by Pandamin

    Originally posted by TUX426


     
     Does DCUO have $15/month worth of content and mechanics, or will it release in a state similar to last years big hit, STO?

    Are we seriously comparing DCUO to STO now?

    Have you even tried STO in beta and DCUO in beta? I'm thinking you didn't or else you would not even try to bring that up.

    That was a question, hence the "?"

  • SabasSabas Member UncommonPosts: 217



    Originally posted by TUX426


     
    That was a question, hence the "?".

    Ah yes, one of those innocent questions. :)

  • Germaximus_SGermaximus_S Member UncommonPosts: 1,061

    Personally i have every expectation of getting a lifetime sub, thats how much i like it. Im of course gonna give it the full 30 days and play the crap out of it but the beta had me hooked right away and only got better the more i played. I just enjoyed it more than i ever expected. I expect ill still wanna get the lifetime after my first 30 days but ya never know!

    Im also looking forward to the old republic.

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  • KremlikKremlik Member UncommonPosts: 716

    Originally posted by Pandamin

    Originally posted by TUX426


     
     Does DCUO have $15/month worth of content and mechanics, or will it release in a state similar to last years big hit, STO?

    Are we seriously comparing DCUO to STO now?

    Have you even tried STO in beta and DCUO in beta? I'm thinking you didn't or else you would not even try to bring that up.

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    DCUO is to me worth the €12/month because it offers something that I can not find in any other MMO on the market right now.

    Eventhough I don't like cash shops next to a subscription fee, but apparently thats what the customer wants. :/

     

    Its not a perfect situation but nothing ever is.

    Me being a jaded cynical MMO player who has been around (you know the type) I am beyond belief that I actually enjoyed DCUO. I also do not think I am unique, I'm quite sure there are many "old guys" who are very happy with DCUO because it offers something genuinly new, new to the MMO genre that is. Yes, the mechanics its uses are unique to the MMO genre, that includes the real time combat (in 3 dimensions) with physics in a persistent world that work.

    Where in rift (to name one) I logged 2 hours and just couldn't get myself to replay the same game we have been playing for years. Oh but wait it has a fully adaptable U.I.

    That does not mean that rift is a bad game, its just not something that can hook me after so many years of games just like it. 

    I think DCUO is being sold short.

    DC being sold short is deffitly true, it's nothing to do with the engine or the fact it crashes - they all do, it's simply the goto excuse of people not wanting to play it because: It's not/like WoW.

    Bottom line is a large portion of the playerbases these days don't want to 'play for fun' they want to 'play to win', between CoD Starcraft and WoW it's clear most what the glory of 'world firsts' and top ranks, gaming is no longer a means to have fun for them, it's a sport, they want to think they've acheved something that people will go 'OMG I SO WANT TO BE YOUR FRIEND' about.

    DC is none of the above hence why 'it will fail' according to that crowd - which sadly now greatly outnumbers the people who 'have fun' with games and now controls how/where the market has been heading these past years.

    I want DC to do well just to prove that games don't have to be a massive compeative battle to be sucessful, I'm just hoping DC don't do a Lucus Arts/Games Workshop/Tolken Inc and force a gamebreaking change just becuase it's not pulling massive numbers quickly

    Bring on the WARRRRGGHH!

  • TyrellJonezTyrellJonez Member Posts: 36

    Originally posted by monstermmo

    Personally i have every expectation of getting a lifetime sub, thats how much i like it. Im of course gonna give it the full 30 days and play the crap out of it but the beta had me hooked right away and only got better the more i played. I just enjoyed it more than i ever expected. I expect ill still wanna get the lifetime after my first 30 days but ya never know!

    Im also looking forward to the old republic.

    Couldn't agree more, but i'm not as finanically stable so soon after the holidays to afford the lifetime sub for DCUO.

     

    Pretty much, if you ARE financially stable and have disposable income (yeah, crazy term right?) you won't mind subbing to DCUO even if you only play moderately or play multiple games.

     

    Its not that "its a bad game" it just sounds like people are saying "its good, but not worth the money" which is weird because if you enjoy playing it then  why get cheap and not support and continue playing it? Probably comes back to the budget thing.

     

    Back on the gamepad topic, gamepads are NOT obsolete. Its personal preference and i still love my 4 year old gamepad. Still functions and has a use to me (assassins creed 1 and 2 for starters)

     

    I think SoE was trying to show that MMOs can be done differently. That you don't need 15 powers, different stances and other stuff to enjoy an MMO or be classified as an MMO. Hell console gamers can just grab a gamepad and jump right in. =)

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  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Member CommonPosts: 10,910


    Originally posted by TyrellJonez


    Originally posted by monstermmo
    Personally i have every expectation of getting a lifetime sub, thats how much i like it. Im of course gonna give it the full 30 days and play the crap out of it but the beta had me hooked right away and only got better the more i played. I just enjoyed it more than i ever expected. I expect ill still wanna get the lifetime after my first 30 days but ya never know!
    Im also looking forward to the old republic.

    Couldn't agree more, but i'm not as finanically stable so soon after the holidays to afford the lifetime sub for DCUO.
     
    Pretty much, if you ARE financially stable and have disposable income (yeah, crazy term right?) you won't mind subbing to DCUO even if you only play moderately or play multiple games.
     
    Its not that "its a bad game" it just sounds like people are saying "its good, but not worth the money" which is weird because if you enjoy playing it then  why get cheap and not support and continue playing it? Probably comes back to the budget thing.
     
    Back on the gamepad topic, gamepads are NOT obsolete. Its personal preference and i still love my 4 year old gamepad. Still functions and has a use to me (assassins creed 1 and 2 for starters)
     
    I think SoE was trying to show that MMOs can be done differently. That you don't need 15 powers, different stances and other stuff to enjoy an MMO or be classified as an MMO. Hell console gamers can just grab a gamepad and jump right in. =)


    Your question kind of answers itself. Compared to other games out there, they have the opinion that DCUO is a good game in its own right, but it isn't worth paying $15 a month to play. For me it's not a budget thing, there's just not enough there to spend $15 on when I can spend it somewhere else and get more of what I want. That doesn't mean DCUO is a bad game, or that I think other people shouldn't spend $15 a month on it. Just means I won't.

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  • TyrellJonezTyrellJonez Member Posts: 36

    Originally posted by lizardbones

     



    Your question kind of answers itself. Compared to other games out there, they have the opinion that DCUO is a good game in its own right, but it isn't worth paying $15 a month to play. For me it's not a budget thing, there's just not enough there to spend $15 on when I can spend it somewhere else and get more of what I want. That doesn't mean DCUO is a bad game, or that I think other people shouldn't spend $15 a month on it. Just means I won't.

     

    To each his own bro. You like broadswords, i like batarangs =)

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  • NyQuil81NyQuil81 Member Posts: 101

    Then you have people like myself who subscribe to Sony's Station Access plan.  I probably would not be willing to pay 15 dollars per month for DCUO as it is.  But since they're adding it for free to the subscription I already pay for all their other games, it's essentially a buy-to-play for me, and it is DEFINITELY worth that.  It adds some much needed value to the Station Access as well.  Might be a good time for others to look into it...people that want to go back to Vanguard as well, for example.  And Planetside is still alot of fun.

  • popinjaypopinjay Member Posts: 6,539


    Originally posted by TyrellJonez

    I'm 26,


    No offense, but this is not old, lol. You have barely begun to use your hands at 26 years old.


    This is the prime demo for this game and exactly the age they are looking for.



    Originally posted by DeathStroke


    I'm 34 so I'm not a "young" gamer, as much as that pains me to say.
    This isn't exactly a "old" gamer either, although you are ahead of most players.


    I think you guys misunderstand... when you get past 40, you will be considered an "old" gamer. You know,. from Pong days.

    Things BEFORE gamepads and controllers.

    Just dust off some history books and you'll know what I mean. Most of 'my' group are playing PC mmos, we don't mess around with this type of action game... we usually leave that for younger console players. That's the point I was making.


    We buy rigs and play actual MMOs with keyboards and such and this is the group that isn't going to stick with this game long. Regardless of the old Saturday morning Justice League ones we grew up with.

  • Biel_WundeBiel_Wunde Member Posts: 33

    I don't know about you guys but I have paid $15 a month to play some really crappy games at launch. And most never get any better. With DCU online, I already know that Green Lantern content is coming, Additional power-sets like lightning, atomic, and light have already been announced (as they were in the original beta before they opened it up to the pre-order). And with an IP like DC  I am not concerned with the  addition of future content. I will gladly play for $15/ month. 

    As for there being "no end-game content", that  translates into "I hate PVP" and that's cool, but to say that content is not there is just wrong. There is plenty of content, IF you like PVP. which I do!

    And maybe I'm not a "hard-core" MMO'er but the prospect of NOT needing to make 15 shirts, 20 jackets, followed by 15,000 other worthless trinkets that no-one else wants, while spending 5000+ hours searching for the crap I need to make this worthless stuff, appeals to me greatly!! 

    So while this may not be a "traditional MMO" it is exactly what I am looking for!!! So I would recommend this game to anyone who wants a casual MMO game with characters you know, in a world you know with the potential for VERY deep development of the IP.

  • popinjaypopinjay Member Posts: 6,539


    Originally posted by Abangyarudo

     what about the game does not work?


    Chat doesn't work right. It's too borky and cumbersome to even try and console it.

    The tanking system doesn't work well enough atm.

    There is a lot of disconnections happening with the game.

    Mobs are brainless and zerg style. Hit one and you got a ton on you. The AI is horrible in this game.


    With certain combos of the mouse, the skills do not go off correctly. This has been all over the offical boards and "known issue". (in before: go buy a controller/gamepad)


    There are plenty things that don't work (atm) but I'm not listing them because this is beta. But for you to say "What doesn't work?" as if everything does at this time, is dishonest.


    Of course stuff is broken. It's beta. But that can pretty much be fixed.


    What can't be fixed is the "fast food" nature the game has. It's not a real type of meal in a gaming sense.. more like chicken nuggets and that really can't be fixed based on the platforming limitations of a PS3.

    I think the game will overall be fine for two months. After that, I don't hold much hope for it as a $15/mo sub.

  • popinjaypopinjay Member Posts: 6,539


    Originally posted by Biel_Wunde

    As for there being "no end-game content", that  translates into "I hate PVP" and that's cool, but to say that content is not there is just wrong. There is plenty of content, IF you like PVP. which I do!


    This is actually a VERY fair point.

    But the "no content" argument is very valid.


    Half the dungeons are nothing more than "Heroic" versions of ones you've done before which isn't really more content.


    Even the PvP stuff at the end is only going to be.. how many arena maps... before you're doing the same ones each time? Two? Three?


    Basically here, the PLAYERS are the endgame content. You kinda just fight each other in the same arenas for the most part or do the same 4 Alert dungeons on "hard mode", each dungeon being about 30 minutes long.

    And for that $15/mo, people are going to play things like Halo for practically free on replay value. I doubt you'll see many console player shelling out $90 for six months of game time doing this, in ADDITION to montly fees for connecting to things like Xbox Live and such.


    A few year. A few will even buy lifetimes (lawl) but it's each his own.

  • TyrellJonezTyrellJonez Member Posts: 36

    Originally posted by popinjay

     




    Originally posted by TyrellJonez

    I'm 26,



    No offense, but this is not old, lol. You have barely begun to use your hands at 26 years old.

    It is not, but when you know what it felt like when you had ur first grey hairs and were starting to be called "uncle". Its terrifying. LoL And if your a male you know you start using your hands when puberty hits. But i did play atari at 2 and never put down the controller since. i can crush a golfball with my hands....but i usually use a hammer.....



    This is the prime demo for this game and exactly the age they are looking for.

     




    Originally posted by DeathStroke





    I'm 34 so I'm not a "young" gamer, as much as that pains me to say.





    This isn't exactly a "old" gamer either, although you are ahead of most players.

     



    I think you guys misunderstand... when you get past 40, you will be considered an "old" gamer. You know,. from Pong days.

     

    Things BEFORE gamepads and controllers.

     

     

    Just dust off some history books and you'll know what I mean. Most of 'my' group are playing PC mmos, we don't mess around with this type of action game... we usually leave that for younger console players. That's the point I was making.

     



    We buy rigs and play actual MMOs with keyboards and such and this is the group that isn't going to stick with this game long. Regardless of the old Saturday morning Justice League ones we grew up with.

     

    I don't buy rigs i build em but thats a moot point. If you like the game, play it with your friends and enjoy it. You may decide in a month that you do wanna keep playing. Just give it that chance.

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  • GorillaGorilla Member UncommonPosts: 2,235

    The question is not whether the game is worth monthly fees or not but whether it is worth buying and playing for a month. I'm conflicted over that. My gut says it is better to do that a while down the line.

  • AbangyarudoAbangyarudo Member Posts: 156

    Originally posted by popinjay

     




    Originally posted by Abangyarudo

     

     what about the game does not work?



     

    Chat doesn't work right. It's too borky and cumbersome to even try and console it.

     chat has a messed up filter but besides for that I don't see the issue.

    The tanking system doesn't work well enough atm.

     I have a level 20 ice(Cyrogenics) tank, a level 20 fire (immolation) tank and a level 8 fire (ignition) tank so which one ain't working? The cyrogenics tank is up way past others. In pve I usually never die in pvp it usually takes 2 or more to take her down. My fire tank is ok but they should really leave reignition at 25% since it takes alot of damage.  

    There is a lot of disconnections happening with the game.

     I've had no disconnections the client has crashed maybe once for me.

    Mobs are brainless and zerg style. Hit one and you got a ton on you. The AI is horrible in this game.

     Mobs are usually only melee the ones that aren't show ok ai. I've not really accustomed to strong npc ai in mmorpgs in general. The ones who have a skill/power that stuns, holds or other status usually use it to their advantage so I'm not really seeing the issue.



    With certain combos of the mouse, the skills do not go off correctly. This has been all over the offical boards and "known issue". (in before: go buy a controller/gamepad)

     I don't use a gamepad I use mouse and keyboard and I've heard that about staff yet I've been able to pull every combo in the staff tree. Other then that never heard of it I really think that some people are just mashing buttons and expecting the combo to work. In every combo theres a timing element to it. Its not a random guess thing either its about following the animations.



    There are plenty things that don't work (atm) but I'm not listing them because this is beta. But for you to say "What doesn't work?" as if everything does at this time, is dishonest.

     I've commented on all your points besides for the questionable nature of the last one as strong ai is not usually found in mmorpgs and the chat filter. I don't see it as being groundbreaking as the game hasn't launched yet.



    Of course stuff is broken. It's beta. But that can pretty much be fixed.

     



    What can't be fixed is the "fast food" nature the game has. It's not a real type of meal in a gaming sense.. more like chicken nuggets and that really can't be fixed based on the platforming limitations of a PS3.

     If FFXIV's vision (even though its nowhere near that yet) can survive its not based on the platforming. Its an alternative to other mmorpgs that are more involved in other aspects of gameplay (crafting, housing etc). The game is designed as quick fun for casual players. The hardcore crowd will enjoy it as well but its not concerned with timesink activities such as crafting and the more sandbox style gameplay. There is a depth though that most are unable to understand as most people who play dc universe don't even understand the basic mechanics before they comment on it.

     

    I think the game will overall be fine for two months. After that, I don't hold much hope for it as a $15/mo sub.

  • dnarrisdnarris Member Posts: 267

    Originally posted by Abangyarudo

    Originally posted by popinjay

     




    Originally posted by Abangyarudo

     

     what about the game does not work?



     

    Chat doesn't work right. It's too borky and cumbersome to even try and console it.

     chat has a messed up filter but besides for that I don't see the issue.

    The tanking system doesn't work well enough atm.

     I have a level 20 ice(Cyrogenics) tank, a level 20 fire (immolation) tank and a level 8 fire (ignition) tank so which one ain't working? The cyrogenics tank is up way past others. In pve I usually never die in pvp it usually takes 2 or more to take her down. My fire tank is ok but they should really leave reignition at 25% since it takes alot of damage.  

    There is a lot of disconnections happening with the game.

     I've had no disconnections the client has crashed maybe once for me.

    Mobs are brainless and zerg style. Hit one and you got a ton on you. The AI is horrible in this game.

     Mobs are usually only melee the ones that aren't show ok ai. I've not really accustomed to strong npc ai in mmorpgs in general. The ones who have a skill/power that stuns, holds or other status usually use it to their advantage so I'm not really seeing the issue.



    With certain combos of the mouse, the skills do not go off correctly. This has been all over the offical boards and "known issue". (in before: go buy a controller/gamepad)

     I don't use a gamepad I use mouse and keyboard and I've heard that about staff yet I've been able to pull every combo in the staff tree. Other then that never heard of it I really think that some people are just mashing buttons and expecting the combo to work. In every combo theres a timing element to it. Its not a random guess thing either its about following the animations.



    There are plenty things that don't work (atm) but I'm not listing them because this is beta. But for you to say "What doesn't work?" as if everything does at this time, is dishonest.

     I've commented on all your points besides for the questionable nature of the last one as strong ai is not usually found in mmorpgs and the chat filter. I don't see it as being groundbreaking as the game hasn't launched yet.



    Of course stuff is broken. It's beta. But that can pretty much be fixed.

     



    What can't be fixed is the "fast food" nature the game has. It's not a real type of meal in a gaming sense.. more like chicken nuggets and that really can't be fixed based on the platforming limitations of a PS3.

     If FFXIV's vision (even though its nowhere near that yet) can survive its not based on the platforming. Its an alternative to other mmorpgs that are more involved in other aspects of gameplay (crafting, housing etc). The game is designed as quick fun for casual players. The hardcore crowd will enjoy it as well but its not concerned with timesink activities such as crafting and the more sandbox style gameplay. There is a depth though that most are unable to understand as most people who play dc universe don't even understand the basic mechanics before they comment on it.

     

    I think the game will overall be fine for two months. After that, I don't hold much hope for it as a $15/mo sub.

     You keep saying 20's....so you haven't tanked end game, trust me tanking doesn't work well, because tanking is a triangle, especially in end game.

    It is no longer just a matter of your tank doing his/her job and the healer doing theirs. You have to be concerned about how well a controller or two or providing energy to a team. No energy, no healing, no taunting, leaves a big mess on your hands. It comes down to a huge amount of team micromanaging when doing difficult content. Then, they don't give you any tools to monitor everything you have to micromanage. No energy bars when your raid goes over 4 people for the controllers to monitor, no timers to keep track of the duration of taunts, and the list goes on.

    The chat system is very broken. It's a very unwieldy system that very rarely remembers what chat mode you were using last meaning you constantly have to type /say, /group, /shout before anything you input. The tell system provides no easy method of replying to someone, so you constantly have to type /tell <name of character> before each tell. If the person has a space in their name you have to put their name in quotations just to send them a tell.

    There's a heck of a lot more wrong than that, but I could write several pages of current bugs and flawed systems. Not to mention the lack of content overall.

    However, even after all that I'm still sticking with the game on release. It's a good game and worth the box price. If they keep good on their promise of meaningful content each month the game will be great.

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