gotta love the 8 pages of people who must not have read the actual OP, seeing as how everyones taking about how blizzard sucks cause there somehow stopping this mod to there game, which isnt what happened at all in any sense, at least not yet it hasnt.
Oh wait, i forgot, on teh internet if you think somethings going to happen it already happened.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but here's what I see happened:
1. SC2 launched w/ mod tools
2. Group makes SC2 a MMO w/ said mod tools
3. If said MMO based on SC2 were not shut down players would have to buy SC2 to play it
4. Anyone playing said MMO would be giving Blizz money
5. Blizz shuts it down?
Your #2 is flawed. They didn't just mod SC2. They changed the game in a way that Blizzard didn't like by turning SC2 into an MMO.
To Blizz, that's clearly not what they intended and it's an unauthorized modification to their game. Ergo, they made a copyright claim and demanded it be taken down.
You seriously need to read up on the history of DoTA.
Hint: The Warcraft III mod called DoTA predates Valve's attempt to apprpriate the name by 7 years.
Haha, I'm fully aware of the original mod, I played it in the earliest forms.
I'm just horribly horribly amused by the fact that Valve =successfuly= appropriated the name, OFFICIALLY has DoTA 2, and I like rubbing it in Blizzard's face every chance I get. Because, y'know, schadenfreude and whatnot.
I mean, if Blizzard say... tried making a game called DoTA 2, or even DoTA 3, Valve could totally slap them with a cease and desist.
You seriously need to read up on the history of DoTA.
Hint: The Warcraft III mod called DoTA predates Valve's attempt to apprpriate the name by 7 years.
Haha, I'm fully aware of the original mod, I played it in the earliest forms.
I'm just horribly horribly amused by the fact that Valve =successfuly= appropriated the name, OFFICIALLY has DoTA 2, and I like rubbing it in Blizzard's face every chance I get. Because, y'know, schadenfreude and whatnot.
I mean, if Blizzard say... tried making a game called DoTA 2, or even DoTA 3, Valve could totally slap them with a cease and desist.
Valve doesn't own the rights to Dota, I thought that whole issue was still pending.
Valve doesn't own the rights to Dota, I thought that whole issue was still pending.
Hmmm, I thought they totally got away with hijacking DoTA for some reason. I mean, it looks like they're definitely getting to name their game DoTA 2 with nothing stopping them.
A little research online shows that they attempted to trademark it, but it appears to still be up in the air.
I am very amused by the official Blizzard response - "Valve is usually so pro mod community. It's such a community company that it just seems like a really strange move to us... I really don't understand why [they would do it], to be honest."
Haha, reminds me of the EXACT same complaint people have been having about the way Blizzard just dealt with this World of Starcraft issue.
Regarding the whole DoTA thing I haven't looked into it, but I'd be surprised if Valve actually had the rights and it was uncontested. Prior art much? It's really not difficult to demonstrate.
I hope there is an update, I'd like to know if it was just the name Blizzard objected to. I assume that is the case - they should try something like, I dunno, Ever-starcraft or Age of Starcraft or something instead :P
Ok wise guy, I have written a beautiful MOD and it is called World of Guild Wars - the real MMO.
And I am sure Korean NCSoft will be VERY glad that people use that name for an amateur game.
Just like EA/LucasArts will sue anything with the name World of Star Wars written on its game.
The reaction is pretty much a no brainer.
Except for the frustrated dudes who don't seem to have the capability to reason anymore.
Not the same thing at all. In this case same company own the copyright to both worlds.
This is exactly like if you use a Quake mod to make a Wolfenstein game. Do you think ID software would care even the bit?
And I have actually seen Stars wars mods to Quake 2, no one cared.
I actually don't think Arenanet would sue you anyways if you made a MOD so you could play in Tyria for any gamke as long as you don't sell it or make money on it. If you don't want stuff like this you shouldn't add an editor.
No brainer is a fitting expression here. Check all mods that has been made for games with editors, this is the first time anyone ever complained as far as I know.
I can buy that Blizzard somehow got upset because of the name but in that case they should just have mailed the dude and asked him to change it.
UPDATE: The modder creating the World of Starcraft mod has been offered a job with Riot Games, confirmed by the League of Legends Design Director Tom "Zileas" Cadwell according to PixelatedGeek.com:
When I see a modder with a lot of drive that has done something cool, I tend to contact them. I shot him an email recently asking if he was interested in exploring an opportunity here. As to what comes of that, who knows — that depends on the mutual fit and his own goals.
I was wondering why no one was bringing up the idea of League of Legends turning into an MMO which would be nice. Though I can see now that it was a recet update of information.
Blizzard's actions here are reprehensible. What was once one of the greatest open-ended modding communities in the history of PC gaming is being transformed into a fluffy little map editor entirely regulated by corporate slime. With this sort of hostility towards any sort of creativity and innovation it's no wonder that the campaign quality of SC2 was a far cry from the original games.
Hang on all I'm aware of sofar is youtube removed the video at the request of some official from Activision. He hasn't been slapped with a c&d just had to remove the videos.
Far as I can tell the only problem he could really have is that Blizzard most likely copywrited the name World of Starcraft not long after they made World of Warcraft because they probably figured they would be making it a couple of years down the line. WOW went on to succeed beyond anything they thought it would and they figured it would be best to keep pushing WOW as far as they could before starting a new MMO.
Now Blizzard is making a new MMO and they "say" it isn't based on an existing IP but as we all know executives "say" alot of things so they may or may not be making a Starcraft MMO. Anyway the point is he hasn't been told to stop working on the mod his just had some videos removed that had World of Starcraft plastered all over them and may indeed be copywrite infringing but we should all wait and see how it all shakes out before we jump the gun cursing out Blizzard or calling anyone a bunch of asshat wearing douchebags.
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Originally posted by Vryheid Blizzard's actions here are reprehensible. What was once one of the greatest open-ended modding communities in the history of PC gaming is being transformed into a fluffy little map editor entirely regulated by corporate slime. With this sort of hostility towards any sort of creativity and innovation it's no wonder that the campaign quality of SC2 was a far cry from the original games.
It probably would have been fine if he had not put it out as a distinct product. i.e. If the video was of an "MMORPG mod for Starcraft II", then there probably wouldn't have been a copyright notice sent to him. Ditto for the website. There's a difference between marketing something you've done as a distinct product and marketing it as a mod for the product you bought from Blizzard. It's a small difference, but a difference none the less.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Shame though, its always the good things that get cease and decist and end up losing all news and materials to this as the mods or games are locked away in a safe somewhere and never to be seen again...
happened with Warhammer games, happened with Planetside mods... hell its happened with great groups out there, nintendo has shown a great example of it and so has sega at times with the Mods relating to Metroid and Legend of Zelda...
The best thing about this mod is the attention its gotten both from Blizzard and this website. Hopefully this will show Blizzard people have an interest in a Starcraft MMO and they'll get to work on one(if theyre not already).
I am going to create an MMO called "Guild wars Extreme" I am sure Arenanet wont have any issue with that. Once I am done with that my next project will be "not so angry birds" and once I am done with that I'll make a 3d cartoon racer called "Bowser cart".
Originally posted by clankyasp Blizzard did not report, its probably all the other upcoming MMO companies reported to youtube so their game dont get owned by this mod.
I don't know if this is true, but this made me smile. :-)
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I am going to create an MMO called "Guild wars Extreme" I am sure Arenanet wont have any issue with that. Once I am done with that my next project will be "not so angry birds" and once I am done with that I'll make a 3d cartoon racer called "Bowser cart".
Hey, sounds pretty awesome. You should get around to that as soon as you read up on what a mod is, check out the EULA for Starcraft 2, look at the types of mods that Blizzard itself has released for Starcraft 2, learn to read news articles so you can see that Blizzard (as of yet) hasn't made any noises about shutting down the mod itself, and oh yeah... brush your teeth because the taste of your own foot probably isn't that appealing.
Invalid bad comparisons are... well, invalid and bad. What you're saying has nothing to do with what's actually going on.
Why is it so hard for some people to understand that this is indeed infringement of Blizzard's rights.
Yes, they have a map editor, yes you can create anything you feel like even an MMO. However, the name is very inappropriate. It's obvious that you just can't name your module World of Starcraft. Blizzard even had a joke about World of Starcraft. Basically Blizzard owns the name Starcraft so you can't use it without their permission.
Why didn't he call his module something else? Because he wanted to get people's attention. I really like what this guy is doing and all but the name he picked is highly inappropriate.
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So people aren't allowed to make good mods anymore?
Activision, you deserve to go the way of the company you spawned from. Do you remember when you vowed never to be as evil as they were, to be all about gaming? I guess something changed.
Why is it so hard for some people to understand that this is indeed infringement of Blizzard's rights.
I don't think very many people actually don't understand that. More like people just wish for an ideal world where big companies and modders get together and hold hands, or at least are politer about how they ask somebody to stop using a name.
Yeah, inappropriate name, but you know what? From how socially inept some programmers seem, it's possible they weren't even thinking that clearly, they were just having fun. No reason to treat them like it's malicious on their part.
Just a letter saying 'Hey, we saw what you're doing, that's really cool and all, but we have to protect our trademarks, so we're going to ask you to do this, this and this differently' would have made people think Blizzard was 50 kinds of different awesome.
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gotta love the 8 pages of people who must not have read the actual OP, seeing as how everyones taking about how blizzard sucks cause there somehow stopping this mod to there game, which isnt what happened at all in any sense, at least not yet it hasnt.
Oh wait, i forgot, on teh internet if you think somethings going to happen it already happened.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Your #2 is flawed. They didn't just mod SC2. They changed the game in a way that Blizzard didn't like by turning SC2 into an MMO.
To Blizz, that's clearly not what they intended and it's an unauthorized modification to their game. Ergo, they made a copyright claim and demanded it be taken down.
You seriously need to read up on the history of DoTA.
Hint: The Warcraft III mod called DoTA predates Valve's attempt to apprpriate the name by 7 years.
Haha, I'm fully aware of the original mod, I played it in the earliest forms.
I'm just horribly horribly amused by the fact that Valve =successfuly= appropriated the name, OFFICIALLY has DoTA 2, and I like rubbing it in Blizzard's face every chance I get.
Because, y'know, schadenfreude and whatnot.
I mean, if Blizzard say... tried making a game called DoTA 2, or even DoTA 3, Valve could totally slap them with a cease and desist.
Valve doesn't own the rights to Dota, I thought that whole issue was still pending.
-I want a Platformer MMO
Hmmm, I thought they totally got away with hijacking DoTA for some reason. I mean, it looks like they're definitely getting to name their game DoTA 2 with nothing stopping them.
A little research online shows that they attempted to trademark it, but it appears to still be up in the air.
I am very amused by the official Blizzard response - "Valve is usually so pro mod community. It's such a community company that it just seems like a really strange move to us... I really don't understand why [they would do it], to be honest."
Haha, reminds me of the EXACT same complaint people have been having about the way Blizzard just dealt with this World of Starcraft issue.
Regarding the whole DoTA thing I haven't looked into it, but I'd be surprised if Valve actually had the rights and it was uncontested. Prior art much? It's really not difficult to demonstrate.
I hope there is an update, I'd like to know if it was just the name Blizzard objected to. I assume that is the case - they should try something like, I dunno, Ever-starcraft or Age of Starcraft or something instead :P
Not the same thing at all. In this case same company own the copyright to both worlds.
This is exactly like if you use a Quake mod to make a Wolfenstein game. Do you think ID software would care even the bit?
And I have actually seen Stars wars mods to Quake 2, no one cared.
I actually don't think Arenanet would sue you anyways if you made a MOD so you could play in Tyria for any gamke as long as you don't sell it or make money on it. If you don't want stuff like this you shouldn't add an editor.
No brainer is a fitting expression here. Check all mods that has been made for games with editors, this is the first time anyone ever complained as far as I know.
I can buy that Blizzard somehow got upset because of the name but in that case they should just have mailed the dude and asked him to change it.
The guy did an exceptional job. Really, they should just snatch him up and put him in training.
UPDATE: The modder creating the World of Starcraft mod has been offered a job with Riot Games, confirmed by the League of Legends Design Director Tom "Zileas" Cadwell according to PixelatedGeek.com:
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I was wondering why no one was bringing up the idea of League of Legends turning into an MMO which would be nice. Though I can see now that it was a recet update of information.
Blizzard's actions here are reprehensible. What was once one of the greatest open-ended modding communities in the history of PC gaming is being transformed into a fluffy little map editor entirely regulated by corporate slime. With this sort of hostility towards any sort of creativity and innovation it's no wonder that the campaign quality of SC2 was a far cry from the original games.
Hang on all I'm aware of sofar is youtube removed the video at the request of some official from Activision. He hasn't been slapped with a c&d just had to remove the videos.
Far as I can tell the only problem he could really have is that Blizzard most likely copywrited the name World of Starcraft not long after they made World of Warcraft because they probably figured they would be making it a couple of years down the line. WOW went on to succeed beyond anything they thought it would and they figured it would be best to keep pushing WOW as far as they could before starting a new MMO.
Now Blizzard is making a new MMO and they "say" it isn't based on an existing IP but as we all know executives "say" alot of things so they may or may not be making a Starcraft MMO. Anyway the point is he hasn't been told to stop working on the mod his just had some videos removed that had World of Starcraft plastered all over them and may indeed be copywrite infringing but we should all wait and see how it all shakes out before we jump the gun cursing out Blizzard or calling anyone a bunch of asshat wearing douchebags.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
There is nothing more dangerous than a true believer.
It probably would have been fine if he had not put it out as a distinct product. i.e. If the video was of an "MMORPG mod for Starcraft II", then there probably wouldn't have been a copyright notice sent to him. Ditto for the website. There's a difference between marketing something you've done as a distinct product and marketing it as a mod for the product you bought from Blizzard. It's a small difference, but a difference none the less.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Blizzard did not report, its probably all the other upcoming MMO companies reported to youtube so their game dont get owned by this mod.
Shame though, its always the good things that get cease and decist and end up losing all news and materials to this as the mods or games are locked away in a safe somewhere and never to be seen again...
happened with Warhammer games, happened with Planetside mods... hell its happened with great groups out there, nintendo has shown a great example of it and so has sega at times with the Mods relating to Metroid and Legend of Zelda...
The best thing about this mod is the attention its gotten both from Blizzard and this website. Hopefully this will show Blizzard people have an interest in a Starcraft MMO and they'll get to work on one(if theyre not already).
greedy S*itzard showed once more who they are. The modder on the other hand bow to him...
I am going to create an MMO called "Guild wars Extreme" I am sure Arenanet wont have any issue with that. Once I am done with that my next project will be "not so angry birds" and once I am done with that I'll make a 3d cartoon racer called "Bowser cart".
I don't know if this is true, but this made me smile. :-)
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Hey, sounds pretty awesome. You should get around to that as soon as you read up on what a mod is, check out the EULA for Starcraft 2, look at the types of mods that Blizzard itself has released for Starcraft 2, learn to read news articles so you can see that Blizzard (as of yet) hasn't made any noises about shutting down the mod itself, and oh yeah... brush your teeth because the taste of your own foot probably isn't that appealing.
Invalid bad comparisons are... well, invalid and bad. What you're saying has nothing to do with what's actually going on.
Blizzard said that it's a compleatly new IP never seen before.
Bullshit or not?
Why is it so hard for some people to understand that this is indeed infringement of Blizzard's rights.
Yes, they have a map editor, yes you can create anything you feel like even an MMO. However, the name is very inappropriate. It's obvious that you just can't name your module World of Starcraft. Blizzard even had a joke about World of Starcraft. Basically Blizzard owns the name Starcraft so you can't use it without their permission.
Why didn't he call his module something else? Because he wanted to get people's attention. I really like what this guy is doing and all but the name he picked is highly inappropriate.
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So people aren't allowed to make good mods anymore?
Activision, you deserve to go the way of the company you spawned from. Do you remember when you vowed never to be as evil as they were, to be all about gaming? I guess something changed.
I don't think very many people actually don't understand that. More like people just wish for an ideal world where big companies and modders get together and hold hands, or at least are politer about how they ask somebody to stop using a name.
Yeah, inappropriate name, but you know what? From how socially inept some programmers seem, it's possible they weren't even thinking that clearly, they were just having fun. No reason to treat them like it's malicious on their part.
Just a letter saying 'Hey, we saw what you're doing, that's really cool and all, but we have to protect our trademarks, so we're going to ask you to do this, this and this differently' would have made people think Blizzard was 50 kinds of different awesome.