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No different than these forums actually.
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The game is great, I'm enjoying it. Will it be the next WoW? ofcourse not. Will it satisfy most people's need for a new refreshing MMO for a few months up to a year? Yup.
*Off topic*
Why do you have a Diablo Icon?
Weren't you bashing Diablo only last month?
Wasn't that you who put up the Epic Mikey darker than Diablo 3 Thread?
Kinda odd.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
The problem is, that most of the criticism that is being posted both here and on the main forums is either uninformed or fabricated.
Ive seen so many people complaining RIFT doesnt have this or doesnt have that when it does. So many people posting complaints about the game either havent played it at all, or havent explored all its features. Ive been in every dev chat even when it was just me and another guy that showed up and still the devs answered or questions, and listened to our suggestions.
So many of the people being critcal of the game havent even been to one dev chat, read the dev notes, or even given the game any chance at all.
So many of the negative things about the game I see people posting are just outright lies which puts me on the defensive from the start.
I know that there is a huge movement of WoW fanbois that are feeling very threatened by RIFT ( as maybe they should ), I have two of these WoW fanbois in my guild, and they are constantly trashing RIFT on vent, problem is they arent trashing it because its a bad game, they are trashing it because most of our WoW guild has pre-ordered it, and they can't get thier parents to buy it for them.
As a result they are feeling jealous, worried, and left out, which is making them more and more obnoxious. Same thing seems to be going on, on the forums. Tons of people making up lies trying to convince people WoW is a better game.
Mix in the viral marketing teams from Blizzard, and the paid trolls, and its really making for a very hostile situation.
I've been very guilty of letting my temper get the best of me over this game and the lies I constantly see posted about it to the point Ive gotten 3 warnings and even had a 24 hour ban on my account here.
Frankly I think everyone needs to just back off, cool down, and maybe just let people make up thier own minds.
If you like the game then great, if you dont like it well that's fine too.
My liking it and deciding its the best game Ive ever had the pleasure of playing should have zero bearing on you or your feelings at all, just as your feeling it sucks and you arent going to play it shouldnt matter to me.
Yet, for some reason tons of people on here have taken personal offense that me and 98k others have decided its a great game and made the decision to pre-order it.
Why?? Well all I can figure is because you can't afford it and are jealous, worried, and left out just like my guildmates.
I noticed this before the events started. Seemed like the constant influx of new, somewhat "less-informed", players ruined the forums. Eventually just became a shouting match in the threads and who could sound the most intelligent, "sound" being the operative word there. Unfortunately, this is inherent when you start letting everyone in the door. A clash between people that want to bring their ideas or see Rift (game in context) changed to model their favorite MMO and those that want Trion to do things their way.
I've stopped posting on the forums altogether because even the Off Topic is no longer fun. Seemed like the only thing that kept it civil was the crew of veterans and the occasional hand slap from the community managers.
I imagine once the game is released, either Rift isn't such a huge success and the forums again become a place of productivity, or the game takes off and it becomes a cesspool. Only time will tell. In the meantime, fingers crossed for the community team to keep the plague in check.
That was a decent convo. You take one example and say, look, the people there are all nice and cheerful posters. Go look at some of the otehr threads I had convo's in and it is a whole other story. Had one player try to say I had never beta'd a game before and was clueless how MMORPG's work. LMAO! Funny stuff.
Aye, it all comes down really to the 'tone' of the posts. If you write a post that seems angry or naggy, you will catch a lot more flack, specially if you keep pressing your views on people and get frustrated with them when they still don't see things your way.
I mean I can see what shes getting at, wanting the devs to improve upon the little 'annoying' things, but the way she goes about it is all wrong.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Yeah...community there is just so mature.
http://forums.riftgame.com/showthread.php?49795-Rift-its-not-Enough
I agrew with everything they said...
Your blog is pretty bad.
So bad that i actually changed my sig and avatar on this forum... From the runic symbol of Odin (which is crazy for me too do if you knew me in real life) just to poke fun at you...
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
Right. I wrote such a terrible preview. I actually gave the game kudos where they were due and lots of them. Pointed out what I thought were its flaws, weaknesses. and places it needs work. And that is a bad thing.
You spend most of your time complaining about minor issues and comparing Rift to WoW which seems to be a negative both when its similar and different.
Sounds to me like you just dont like the game what you expect , its really no differant than here.
You brought up wow like 50 times...
Its a review of rift and you were horribly nit picky about the most trival shit.
Im not surprised it was burried so many times.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
While you did point out a few flaws of the game, you kept comparing it to other games. You point out graphic glitches, which is impossible to fix as we aren't technologically advanced to fix all clipping bugs yet, especially in massive amounts of models.
You're complaining about mounts at level 20 when world of warcraft gives it at 20.
All in all it's just a bad review, you're comparing the game to your preference of squirrels and complaints about PvP and PvE gear which many people enjoy the split.
Instead of reviewing important parts of the game, such as Instances and PvP you talk about useless shit.
If I had paid you to write a review; I would have fired you.
Know what is funny. People keep saying my review(which is actually a preview) is so terrible and inaccurate...but not one has taken the time to point out where I am wrong. If I give an opinion that I feel horses should obtainable at level 10 - that is an opinion. If I say that night time is not dark enough and it should be a wee bit darker...that is an opinion based off an observation and my observation of night time is how I saw it. It was not dark enough. It was hardly any different than day time.
All these people that say they read what I wrote and hate it and yet none can put forth a better argument against what I wrote other than call me names, a WoW fangirl, and inaccurate and etc, etc, etc...
Sorry if I do not think this game is the next coming of the gaming worlds WoW. I just call it as I see it. Rift is a decent game that has a shot at being the best release we've seen it recent years. It does however come up short - in my opinion - in many ways. It has its flaws and short comings. If people do not agree. I am fine with that. I said the same things here about Aion back when it first was released and the same thing happened. Same things for Age of Conan. Same thing for Warhammer. Same thing for lots of games. Haven't been wrong yet.
Rift just might be the game that takes off like never before. It has a lot going for it. Hard to say. I do know this. The Rift element of the game is not enough to keep people playing. Have no clue about the end game so I cannot comment. I think it will be a lot like WoW since it has all ready proven that plays like it in more ways than one. We'll just have to see. Time will tell. Until then, nobody can predict where this game will end up.
I had no problems with the points you liked or disliked about the game, most of them were personal preference. The problem I had with your review is it needs a serious proof read and a better structure in outline. You seem to ramble and jump all over the place, making my eyes bleed with trying to follow your thoughts.
When you write a review THAT long, you need to follow a good outline and set of bullet points. This will keep your thoughts organized and easier to read. Break the review into simpler parts that are not such a huge chunk to take in. Get a good proof reader to help you better relate your points in an efficient and timely manner.
I'm sorry and I do not mean to be mean, but that review needs a lot of work to be a good read.
I would agree to some extent. But a review is normally given after a game has launched. A "preview" as mine is, is what is written before a game is launched. I'll take your suggestion to heart though. Thank you.
Eh, problem is the way the blog was presented. Everything you see as flaws are pretty trivial to many people, most don't even notice these things nor care. The blog itself kinda reads like it was written the way a 10 yearold with ADHD tells a story - it just seems to be all over the place and not staying in rythmn. You basically wrote a massive complaint about some graphical glitches, your distaste for the squirrels and animations and the desire to have a horse 10 levels earlier (or 2 hours earlier which ever way you look at it). Sure you did throw in a lot of kudos to the devs, but overall it was a whole lot of text for very minor things.
You also wrote the blog on MMORPG.com, which a lot of people tend to dislike for many reasons (yet still come here and post - sort of like a guilty pleasure I guess...). I am sure if you were to have post this on a personal blog and made it easier to follow along with (give it a nice tempo, some rythmn and a decent structure) you would find that more people would be inclined to take it more seriously than they did.
The biggest thing is the OP in that thread used your blog as an 'Official' review for trolling purposes, which also caused a lot of the flack it recieved.
Now before you think I'm just a fan attacking you, I assure you I'm not. I just felt it was needed to explain why your post got the reaction it did. Please don't kill me
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Let me put one thing straight. Since none of you seem to comprehend what I wrote. You all keep pointing out my compalint about the squirrels animations. Guess what. As I said in in article. The squirrels are a part of the game. Doesn't matter how small of part, it reflects on the whole. Same for anything in that game. It has to mesh together and look good and play well. When I reflect on the squirrels animation , it makes me look at other animations of the game. Some of the animations of the game are lacking. Like some pf the rogue combat. Like the way mages summon pets. Those are not good animations. Those are poorly done. If I am wrong than why are others concerned about the animations as well. Yes it is just a squirrel. But it is also part of the game. The parts of the game make up the sum of it all and it reflects on the game as a whole. If we're to believe that the developers are really awesome. Guess what...they have to prove it by doing what?
By doing it better!
If they don't...we get mediocre. Is everyone happy with the slo mo animations of mounts in that game? Those look terrible. Many people have compalined about them. I did no different. I said how I feel and that is that. You can rag and rail on me all you want. Guess what...changes nothing. Some of the games animations are poorly done. The combat sounds "are atrocious" and some of the games mechanics and elements need reworked or fixed. All my own opinions. Agree with me or not - they are my opinions and I stand by them.
Yea I just read your post on the forums that was listed and man, it seems like you were trying to start a fight. Every post someone said something, even if they didn't disagree, you'd say 'REALLY? explain yourself! you don't see this problem?' You are one of those girls that say things like "For a fat person your move really well!" and then think you just made someones day by complimenting them aren't you.
i lol'ed at the self proclaimed pro gamer.
See...this is exactly what this thread was about. This person comes here and makes this post. Cannot comprehend the simple term of "pro" in the context of which it was written.
::sigh::
Yeah I just read through all of those. Funnily enough, while there is the usuall assortment of the "socially retarded" you find on every web board, there are quite a few people who had favorable comments about your review and also quite a few posters who gave rational and relevent criticism. Its too bad you chose to ignore all of them and instead focus solely on the childishly negetive posters.
Your post here equates to nothing better than a pity party because some people didn't eat up your cheerished ideas with a big fork. You seem to feel you have every right to insult all and sundry but no one has the right to criticise you. And worse, in your angry rant you manage to lump the people who treated you fairly in with the malcontents. Sorry but that continued attitude has killed any previous respect I have had for you. I think before you try your hand at a serious journalistic endeaver you need to do a little growing up. Putting people on ignore is not something I do lightly, but since you seem hell bent on alienating anyone who doesn't kowtow and kiss your feet, I feel I have little choice. Goodbye and thanks for all the fish.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "
I so far don't like the Rift community, but it's just beta, hopefully when the game is really out and in a couple months we'll get a glimpse of the real community and I hope it isn't like it is now.
-I want a Platformer MMO
My thoughts exactly.
I didn't find your review to be overly bad. It starts off the wrong foot by making it clear you find it to be a WoW clone. You send a lot of time explaining what you dislike about the glitches, the sounds (and I agree with you on this one), the time spent on travels (they are removing the prereq to buy a mount), and your worries about how Trion Worlds will handle the end game or if they are going to add more. You did write few very positive quotes.
Perhaps you could have prepared your readers a little bit more about how you're going to focus on stuff they need to work on. Personnally, I got confused with your text until I summed up your critics and your positive points and found out you didn't dislike Rift despite the title 'Rift: it's not enough'.