Boring video, boring pvp, is that all Rift has to offer ? Maybe in 2004 Rift would have a chance to compete in the mmo industry, but come on ... rogue backstabbing ... been there done that like a zillion times ... yawns
PvP is rarely honourable at all. It's mostly players that get their jollies beating up on someone. It's very rarely fair and mostly a mess. I am very glad Rift has PvE servers.
This.
In Eve the common saying is if your in a fair fight your doing it wrong.
In Darkfall vet players frequently roll through the newbie towns and starter
areas just to gank the low level "freshmeat".
In No MMO that i know of is PvP about honor, or even skill. its about killing for
the sake of killing, or killing for the easy reward.
Originally posted by Mortemia The problem is that people roll into PvP severs, thinking PvP means the fighting is honourable and you can always pick your fights. No, it's not. Of course you use the element of surprise. Of course you every dirty trick your class has. And the funniest part is this: everytime you get a kill, well that's a kill. Everytime you get killed, that's a gank with no skill included. People play such "victims".
Many people think that way ,that a kill is a kill and a die is a gank,and of course is not honorable buahah .I laugh at some that say 3 levels difference got no chance to win ,this is so wrong.So many guys are afraid of pk so it is normal to state it.Honorable kills dont exist ,maybe just for some that dont know what pvp in open world pvp.
PVP in Rift is basically a joke. And open world PVP just shows how crazy it is to allow free for all killing. You can barely hurt someone when they are 3 levels above you, and you practically can't touch them if they are 4 levels above you.
Wrong!
Feel free to prove this next beta event, attack someone 5 levels above you and film it. I'd love to see video proving my wrongness as long as it's open world PVP and not warfronts where they give you a buff to increase your lower level effectiveness. One and one it'd be even better if you actually won a fight, but I'll settle for you getting them to half health before they kill you. 5 levels above yours is enough to prove me wrong.
PvP is rarely honourable at all. It's mostly players that get their jollies beating up on someone. It's very rarely fair and mostly a mess. I am very glad Rift has PvE servers.
This.
In Eve the common saying is if your in a fair fight your doing it wrong.
In Darkfall vet players frequently roll through the newbie towns and starter
areas just to gank the low level "freshmeat".
In No MMO that i know of is PvP about honor, or even skill. its about killing for
the sake of killing, or killing for the easy reward.
If you are mainly a pve person then yes I can see where your rather general view of pvp is coming from.
You are roaming the countryside minding your business and enjoying the butterflies ... boomm, you got ganked.
Hate sprouts from your mouth as you curse the lowlife who just had the odassity to kill you. What a looser.
People who roll pvp servers and know what that means (yes this choice has certain repercussions), will also roam the country but with a sense of alertness. Each step can bring havoc. So they walk the world not paying that much attention to the butterflies. When they get ganked, it will not come as such a big surprise and they will prolly take the attacker down, because griefers are not that op most of the time when they need to fight experienced/alert players.
Also most pvp'ers will leave the butterfly lovers alone anyway. Griefers are a nuisance thats for sure. But what I am trying to say is if your mindset is one of a pvper, griefers are not the only pvp related experiences you are confronted with. You will also have lots of other pvp related experiences, which are a hell of a lot fun.
PVP in Rift is basically a joke. And open world PVP just shows how crazy it is to allow free for all killing. You can barely hurt someone when they are 3 levels above you, and you practically can't touch them if they are 4 levels above you.
Wrong!
Feel free to prove this next beta event, attack someone 5 levels above you and film it. I'd love to see video proving my wrongness as long as it's open world PVP and not warfronts where they give you a buff to increase your lower level effectiveness. One and one it'd be even better if you actually won a fight, but I'll settle for you getting them to half health before they kill you. 5 levels above yours is enough to prove me wrong.
I had a few world fights in the last beta against people at least +4 levels higher then me ... and yes I took em down or they bolted.
And you ganking people that were on average 5 levels lower than you while they were fighting mobs, often while you outnumbered them 2vs1 and had faction mobs supporting you is impressive how?
I'm not saying you can't do it but it's hardly something worth making a vid of.
But anyhow, as you're on my server and you killed some low level guildies I promise to chop you up into very small bits in the next beta cheers!
edit: partII was somewhat better.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
And you ganking people that were on average 5 levels lower than you while they were fighting mobs, often while you outnumbered them 2vs1 and had faction mobs supporting you is impressive how?
I'm not saying you can't do it but it's hardly something worth making a vid of.
But anyhow, as you're on my server and you killed some low level guildies I promise to chop you up into very small bits in the next beta cheers!
edit: partII was somewhat better.
Of course i make vids , i dont care the level of the ones that i put in grave.It's about my pk ,my gank and my fun after all ,what rogue suppose to do ,we got stealth especially to spot our pray and attack kill it when is off guard.Many people hate and cry about pk ,but some are enjoy it ,and do it without any remorse ,just like myself.
Originally posted by Xasapis Fair PvP is a myth. Everybody is looking for the edge. That been said, some situations are plain retarded, like max levels camping newcomers.
First of all ,it will be fckin boring to camp and kill level below 15 with a level 50 character..nothing funny in doing that.
All I watched was a bored coward ganking lowbies using OP techniques. Sorry, the video was boring, and your tactics were lame. You never tried to PvP skill vs skill. You took advantage of the flaws in the RIFT PvP system and exploited them. GG.
he didnt exploit anything, its a pvp server and thats what happens on a pvp server. running passed the enemy on a pvp server just kills any point to it being a pvp server. so as it used to be in the old school days, red = dead.
i do love how some people get butthurt over pvp though.
I have to agree. Boring vids. The PvP in Rift can be a lot more exciting, though, but these vids just don't reflect that. Also, the purpose of rogues isn't to gank lowbies. They are designed to effectively take out backline healers / casters, which appears to be the very things you have trouble killing (very convenient cuts). Most of those fights you don't even need stealth, you could kill those opponents with just about any class, even ones not specced for pvp.
Sorry but anyone calling what RIFT has to offer PVP wise "exciting" really needs to go play a real PVP game like Darkfall with FPS combat AND full loot. I just can't derive fun from generic-no-reward-press 1 - 0 to-active-skills type games anymore.
That was boring to watch, and I have no interest in such game-play anymore. Not saying what I enjoy is for everyone... but for anyone to call themselves a PK / PVP and to think games like RIFT is where the true fun / skill is at is pathetic at best.
I have to agree! Most MMORPGs use a combat model that depends on a Random Number Generator to determine Hits and Crits. And such system never require the same level of skill as FPS type combat. So if the OP really wants to brag about his PvP prowess he shouldn't be doing so because he ganked someone already engaged in combat, like is shown in those videos. Seems like the OP is just an immature kid with some serious social issues... Then again he most likely couldn't cut it in a game that required any real skill.
They require different types of skill. There isn't more skill in FPS combat compared to the traditional MMO, its just a different type.
I disagree with how you are defining "skill" here. How does it take "skill" to mash on some buttons and hope for a good hit, or a nice crit? Also you can't really dodge... , dodge, miss, and block, are all determined by RNG. So despite the fact that players in PvP often jump around like manic monkeys. Once you target them and get in range, its simply a matter of selecting your attacks and hoping for the best.
The only thing that comes close to "skill" is knowing your abilities, in such a way that you can utilize them to the greatest effect. Personally I feel like that just indicates you tought out how to engage in PvP, with your character, which requires more "Imagination" than "skill" per se. Either way, in my experience, too much of the outcome depends on that Random Number Generator. You can not have thought anything through, but with a decent build, and a few good Crits, you end up winning.
Imagination also comes into play when you are developing your tactics for PvP. An example of which is in his videos where he starts attacking a Druid at Range. This denies the Druid their close quarter combat capabilites. But that same tactic would not work with a Cabalist / Inquisitor / Purifier combo. The only chance he'd have against that combo is to be much higher level, or get in close and hope he could slow down the casts with a few interrupts.
But "Imagination" is not something most of us would call a "skill". "Skill" is something that you Learn, and improve with practice. "Imagination" is more something you Have, or don't Have. Skill is about reflex, and Imagination is about thought. I guess you can develop your imagination through use. Still its completely different from developing your Skills through practice. (And i can see that I'm bordering on a semantic quandry here... so I guess its time to shut up!)
I guess the best I could do is to bring up an illustration of what I think real "skill" is... Skill is like learning how to fire a real handgun. It depends on things like stance, how you hold the weapon, how you breath, how you sight the target and pull the trigger. But skill is where you don't have to think about all those factors to be able to do them, and hit your target. Skill is where all of those things are reflex which you perform automatically.
And I guess when it comes right down to it... If you "react" that way in PvP. It could be considered a "skillfull" performance. Its just that in real life you have no RNG, so you better have precise skills. Or you will loose! And there are no "do overs" or respawn points here.
PVP in Rift is basically a joke. And open world PVP just shows how crazy it is to allow free for all killing. You can barely hurt someone when they are 3 levels above you, and you practically can't touch them if they are 4 levels above you.
Wrong!
Feel free to prove this next beta event, attack someone 5 levels above you and film it. I'd love to see video proving my wrongness as long as it's open world PVP and not warfronts where they give you a buff to increase your lower level effectiveness. One and one it'd be even better if you actually won a fight, but I'll settle for you getting them to half health before they kill you. 5 levels above yours is enough to prove me wrong.
I had a few world fights in the last beta against people at least +4 levels higher then me ... and yes I took em down or they bolted.
I guess LTP your char comes to mind here.
Like I said, videos of 1v1 showing your level and their level will be proof enough. I know I had a guy camping me for a good 30 minutes, he'd crit me to death with the marksman guaranteed critical on next hit and then use the marksman ability at the top of the tree to crit me around 5 times in a row for 900+ damage. Being that I didn't have have access to that abiliy yet I couldn't use it against him. He was 3 levels above me and I died before I took 25% of his health off that's assuming I didn't miss which also happened a lot.
I mean I guess if you were killing AFK higher levels..you would probably be able to kill them. Otherwise I think I'll need to see some video of these mad stun lock + DPS skills you have to take down players 5 levels above you. Because it's an easy thing to jump a guy when he's near dead, AFK, or fighting another player and claim you soloed him 1v1.
Thanks you to the OP! After watching you're truly thrilling video of you ganking lowbies, iv canceled my RIFT beta download. Like many have said before, the risk reward system in this game (and many others like it) is a yawn. It’s really a shame because I love the skill system and lore that RIFT was going for.
I find it pretty cute how the OP called someone else a care bear, when he himself took no risks whatsoever. PvP with no rewards or penalty leaves me flaccid.
Thanks you to the OP! After watching you're truly thrilling video of you ganking lowbies, iv canceled my RIFT beta download. Like many have said before, the risk reward system in this game (and many others like it) is a yawn. Its really a shame because I love the skill system and lore that RIFT was going for.
I find it pretty cute how the OP called someone else a care bear, when he himself took no risks whatsoever. PvP with no rewards or penalty leaves me flaccid.
What can i say ..im happy for you and i hope you will find a game that will suit you well.Dont forget ,Rift got pve servers and then you wont be hunted and pk by my kind..
Saiborg is definitely a fun fellow to read, are you RPing? I can't help but imagine the "boom headshot" guy everytime you post...
Either way, I love the fact I'm a carebear and can never be ganked and can PVP at me leisure The videos were interesting (somewhat) into seeing what that type of thing looks like in Rift, though.
Saiborg is definitely a fun fellow to read, are you RPing? I can't help but imagine the "boom headshot" guy everytime you post...
Either way, I love the fact I'm a carebear and can never be ganked and can PVP at me leisure The videos were interesting (somewhat) into seeing what that type of thing looks like in Rift, though.
No man ..im not rp-ing and never try it anyway.I just play the game by my own rules and enjoy it.As for guardian hate ..nah ,i just make fun of some sometimes ,and i enjoy killing them at any levels and in any corner i can find any.This is about gaming and about fun after all ,but of course fun for me is cry and sorrow for others ,you cant make the both parts happy ,only the winer cheer..
Am i the only one that finds rogue PVP vids in every MMO dull and lacking any "skill"?
I'd much rather watch a cleric or mage PVP. It's amazing how interesting PVP can be when your opponent doesn't begin the battle at 50% health.
What more skill you need when you loot your target ? I think is enough skill in that.I am skilled enough to get my target with 50 % hp and kill it ,this is art after all...
Saiborg is definitely a fun fellow to read, are you RPing? I can't help but imagine the "boom headshot" guy everytime you post...
Either way, I love the fact I'm a carebear and can never be ganked and can PVP at me leisure The videos were interesting (somewhat) into seeing what that type of thing looks like in Rift, though.
No man ..im not rp-ing and never try it anyway.I just play the game by my own rules and enjoy it.As for guardian hate ..nah ,i just make fun of some sometimes ,and i enjoy killing them at any levels and in any corner i can find any.This is about gaming and about fun after all ,but of course fun for me is cry and sorrow for others ,you cant make the both parts happy ,only the winer cheer..
Thanks OP, I found the combat to be quite basic. Looks to be the status quo as far as mmo's go these days.
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My favorite part is @ 1:47 where that healer began to own you or the DOT that got you @ 3:05 in the 2nd film.
And then at the last second when you were about to die, you cut it out.
If you are going to show PVP films have the guts to show your self getting owned as well.
Boring video, boring pvp, is that all Rift has to offer ? Maybe in 2004 Rift would have a chance to compete in the mmo industry, but come on ... rogue backstabbing ... been there done that like a zillion times ... yawns
This.
In Eve the common saying is if your in a fair fight your doing it wrong.
In Darkfall vet players frequently roll through the newbie towns and starter
areas just to gank the low level "freshmeat".
In No MMO that i know of is PvP about honor, or even skill. its about killing for
the sake of killing, or killing for the easy reward.
Many people think that way ,that a kill is a kill and a die is a gank,and of course is not honorable buahah .I laugh at some that say 3 levels difference got no chance to win ,this is so wrong.So many guys are afraid of pk so it is normal to state it.Honorable kills dont exist ,maybe just for some that dont know what pvp in open world pvp.
Everything can be resolved with violence.
Am i the only one that finds rogue PVP vids in every MMO dull and lacking any "skill"?
I'd much rather watch a cleric or mage PVP. It's amazing how interesting PVP can be when your opponent doesn't begin the battle at 50% health.
Feel free to prove this next beta event, attack someone 5 levels above you and film it. I'd love to see video proving my wrongness as long as it's open world PVP and not warfronts where they give you a buff to increase your lower level effectiveness. One and one it'd be even better if you actually won a fight, but I'll settle for you getting them to half health before they kill you. 5 levels above yours is enough to prove me wrong.
If you are mainly a pve person then yes I can see where your rather general view of pvp is coming from.
You are roaming the countryside minding your business and enjoying the butterflies ... boomm, you got ganked.
Hate sprouts from your mouth as you curse the lowlife who just had the odassity to kill you. What a looser.
People who roll pvp servers and know what that means (yes this choice has certain repercussions), will also roam the country but with a sense of alertness. Each step can bring havoc. So they walk the world not paying that much attention to the butterflies. When they get ganked, it will not come as such a big surprise and they will prolly take the attacker down, because griefers are not that op most of the time when they need to fight experienced/alert players.
Also most pvp'ers will leave the butterfly lovers alone anyway. Griefers are a nuisance thats for sure. But what I am trying to say is if your mindset is one of a pvper, griefers are not the only pvp related experiences you are confronted with. You will also have lots of other pvp related experiences, which are a hell of a lot fun.
I had a few world fights in the last beta against people at least +4 levels higher then me ... and yes I took em down or they bolted.
I guess LTP your char comes to mind here.
And you ganking people that were on average 5 levels lower than you while they were fighting mobs, often while you outnumbered them 2vs1 and had faction mobs supporting you is impressive how?
I'm not saying you can't do it but it's hardly something worth making a vid of.
But anyhow, as you're on my server and you killed some low level guildies I promise to chop you up into very small bits in the next beta cheers!
edit: partII was somewhat better.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
Of course i make vids , i dont care the level of the ones that i put in grave.It's about my pk ,my gank and my fun after all ,what rogue suppose to do ,we got stealth especially to spot our pray and attack kill it when is off guard.Many people hate and cry about pk ,but some are enjoy it ,and do it without any remorse ,just like myself.
Everything can be resolved with violence.
Fair PvP is a myth. Everybody is looking for the edge.
That been said, some situations are plain retarded, like max levels camping newcomers.
First of all ,it will be fckin boring to camp and kill level below 15 with a level 50 character..nothing funny in doing that.
Everything can be resolved with violence.
he didnt exploit anything, its a pvp server and thats what happens on a pvp server. running passed the enemy on a pvp server just kills any point to it being a pvp server. so as it used to be in the old school days, red = dead.
i do love how some people get butthurt over pvp though.
I have to agree. Boring vids. The PvP in Rift can be a lot more exciting, though, but these vids just don't reflect that. Also, the purpose of rogues isn't to gank lowbies. They are designed to effectively take out backline healers / casters, which appears to be the very things you have trouble killing (very convenient cuts). Most of those fights you don't even need stealth, you could kill those opponents with just about any class, even ones not specced for pvp.
I disagree with how you are defining "skill" here. How does it take "skill" to mash on some buttons and hope for a good hit, or a nice crit? Also you can't really dodge... , dodge, miss, and block, are all determined by RNG. So despite the fact that players in PvP often jump around like manic monkeys. Once you target them and get in range, its simply a matter of selecting your attacks and hoping for the best.
The only thing that comes close to "skill" is knowing your abilities, in such a way that you can utilize them to the greatest effect. Personally I feel like that just indicates you tought out how to engage in PvP, with your character, which requires more "Imagination" than "skill" per se. Either way, in my experience, too much of the outcome depends on that Random Number Generator. You can not have thought anything through, but with a decent build, and a few good Crits, you end up winning.
Imagination also comes into play when you are developing your tactics for PvP. An example of which is in his videos where he starts attacking a Druid at Range. This denies the Druid their close quarter combat capabilites. But that same tactic would not work with a Cabalist / Inquisitor / Purifier combo. The only chance he'd have against that combo is to be much higher level, or get in close and hope he could slow down the casts with a few interrupts.
But "Imagination" is not something most of us would call a "skill". "Skill" is something that you Learn, and improve with practice. "Imagination" is more something you Have, or don't Have. Skill is about reflex, and Imagination is about thought. I guess you can develop your imagination through use. Still its completely different from developing your Skills through practice. (And i can see that I'm bordering on a semantic quandry here... so I guess its time to shut up!)
I guess the best I could do is to bring up an illustration of what I think real "skill" is... Skill is like learning how to fire a real handgun. It depends on things like stance, how you hold the weapon, how you breath, how you sight the target and pull the trigger. But skill is where you don't have to think about all those factors to be able to do them, and hit your target. Skill is where all of those things are reflex which you perform automatically.
And I guess when it comes right down to it... If you "react" that way in PvP. It could be considered a "skillfull" performance. Its just that in real life you have no RNG, so you better have precise skills. Or you will loose! And there are no "do overs" or respawn points here.
Like I said, videos of 1v1 showing your level and their level will be proof enough. I know I had a guy camping me for a good 30 minutes, he'd crit me to death with the marksman guaranteed critical on next hit and then use the marksman ability at the top of the tree to crit me around 5 times in a row for 900+ damage. Being that I didn't have have access to that abiliy yet I couldn't use it against him. He was 3 levels above me and I died before I took 25% of his health off that's assuming I didn't miss which also happened a lot.
I mean I guess if you were killing AFK higher levels..you would probably be able to kill them. Otherwise I think I'll need to see some video of these mad stun lock + DPS skills you have to take down players 5 levels above you. Because it's an easy thing to jump a guy when he's near dead, AFK, or fighting another player and claim you soloed him 1v1.
Thanks you to the OP! After watching you're truly thrilling video of you ganking lowbies, iv canceled my RIFT beta download. Like many have said before, the risk reward system in this game (and many others like it) is a yawn. It’s really a shame because I love the skill system and lore that RIFT was going for.
I find it pretty cute how the OP called someone else a care bear, when he himself took no risks whatsoever. PvP with no rewards or penalty leaves me flaccid.
What can i say ..im happy for you and i hope you will find a game that will suit you well.Dont forget ,Rift got pve servers and then you wont be hunted and pk by my kind..
Everything can be resolved with violence.
Saiborg is definitely a fun fellow to read, are you RPing? I can't help but imagine the "boom headshot" guy everytime you post...
Either way, I love the fact I'm a carebear and can never be ganked and can PVP at me leisure
The videos were interesting (somewhat) into seeing what that type of thing looks like in Rift, though.
No man ..im not rp-ing and never try it anyway.I just play the game by my own rules and enjoy it.As for guardian hate ..nah ,i just make fun of some sometimes ,and i enjoy killing them at any levels and in any corner i can find any.This is about gaming and about fun after all ,but of course fun for me is cry and sorrow for others ,you cant make the both parts happy
,only the winer cheer..
Everything can be resolved with violence.
What more skill you need when you loot your target ? I think is enough skill in that.I am skilled enough to get my target with 50 % hp and kill it ,this is art after all...
Everything can be resolved with violence.
No, it's a you killing a guy in a video game.
Killing in a video game is just a good sport when im drunk.So ..iz gud staf
Everything can be resolved with violence.
I weep for the future of the human race.
Thanks OP, I found the combat to be quite basic. Looks to be the status quo as far as mmo's go these days.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...