Do you believe in a God

WackoGun · May 2005

I dont believe in him and if he does exist I hate him very badly

Dont ask me why he just pisses me off.

Unknown · May 2005

Originally posted by Toasty

Also, someone mentioned the creation of the earth and such. Life on earth is most likely an accident. hell, the entire universe might be an accident. A study was done on sub-atmoic particles at the university of Boston. They found, that quarks (what makes up protons, neutrons, and electrons) moving from point A to point B do all sorts of crazy things. They'll disapear, reapear, sometimes as a completely different quark. The same is true with protons and neutrons. They have been observed "poofing" in and out of space for a billionth of a second. The Big bang theroy, for those who don't know, states that the universe started as a tiny dot of super-dense matter, about the size of this period. it then expanded with everything that is now our universe. So many people say, "well, that dot must have come from somewhere, so HA! there is a "god", you just proved yourself wrong." But, using the study from Boston, that dot could have been a bit of matter that "poofed" into space, and was to massive to "poof" back out.
Also, back to life on earth: Earth is within the area where we recieve just enough heat to sustain life. In fact, (obviously) we are the only planet found to be the ideal distance away from star is orbits. Scientists believe there has never been much land where the pacific ocean is. Some beleive that the ocean is the result of a massive meteor, the size of mars, striking the Earth early in formation. That impact, besides forming the moon (the moon is damn near the same age as the earth, and made up of the same rock, to similar to have been a passing meteor that got caught in the gravity of the earth) May have pushed the earth into our current orbit.

Uh huh... So your telling me that something went into space, got stuck, and created the universe? And that just by chance we have the right amount of heat? And then, a meteor came and hit the place with the only right amount of heat for life, and made water. Passed all the other stuff in the galaxy and hit earth which also pushed us into orbit? Right .. the chances are what? 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000:1? Maybe higher? Or.. something VERY possible and VERY simple could of happened and 1 powerful man known as "God" came and created Earth and other living things.

Razorback · May 2005

Originally posted by terstax

Originally posted by Razorback
I have a completely open mind.
I dont believe because I have seen nothing in life nor heard any argument to make me believe.
I have read the bible 3 times cover to cover and the Koran twice.... does absolutely nothing for me... just a good read... no more convincing than lord of the rings...
As I said however I retain an open mind and would not be at all surprised to find out god exists...
But the real question that keeps me from believing is.... which god exists....
All you religious types cant all be right... some of you are wrong.... either the christians or the muslims or the bhudists or whatever.... only one group of you can be right...
Thats the real problem.... millions of you, or all of you, or some of you are suffering from a dire form of mass delusion....
Me... Im open to all sugestions that make sense.... but none of you do that very often.

The big problem with "reading" the Quran is that its native language is Arabic. Anything you read was a mere interpretation and thus prone to errors. I say this assuming you do not know how to read Arabic of course. If you do, my bad.

No I dont speak Arabic and nice point...

But...

Lets not forget the bible was not written in English either

As I stated I found neither of them more compelling of my belief than the other or more compelling than LoTR.

Axala · May 2005

We are here because we have to be. If not who'd be asking these questions? admittedly a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy, but if you remember Schrodenger's cat you can see my point. It doesn't explain the how, or settle the question of if there is a god or not, but it does explain the why.

One has to marvel at the strange order of the universe with entropic laws saying things will tend to a disordered state. This alludes to some sort of all encompassing power, be it god, or a natural force skewing the inevitably doom from time to time just so that life may persist.

As for aliens, any intelligent individual that truly does not believe in a god, believes that there is scientific evidence and reasons for lives existence here on earth pretty much has to believe in alien life on other planet. The mathematics prove it. The universe is teaming with life. If you choose to believe in neither then you are in a sad state because your existence can't have happened yet here you are.

I do believe in god, sort of. I don't believe in a good god and evil satan or such. God wouldn't be either as both are constructs of man. He also wouldn't interfere with ones personnel life. Isn't his point. He of course isn't a he, but common convention has one use male pronouns when talking about an indeterminate person or being regardless of the feminists out there preferring to use she, even though if we were to use that pronoun then we'd still be biased wouldn't we?

Mind you that all the religions on earth are wrong. Not mocking any of them, but to think that is group of men/women even if touched by god could somehow know God's will for all the people on this planet is presumptions and ridiculous at best.

Aldaron · May 2005

Originally posted by Mr_JoE_FuNK
From what you believe (the bibble) there is no second chance once you die. You cant repent in hell once your there thats it. so how does hell make you a better person? I mean after your mom spanks you you can think about it. after you go to hell thats it.
Maby thinking there is a hell can make you a better person but going there?? thats crazy

Is it now? Then why would Jesus of preached to the tormented souls in hell? I mean if "Your dead, your spirit is in hell, that's it, no chance" why would Christ of wasted his words, if there was no redemption?
The after-life for the most part...Is very mysterious. You don't know the extents of what it entails. But...One of the largest misnomer people make dealing with the belief in the afterlife...Is the thought of hell and eternity. What they don't understand was that when in the Bible it stated that someone would spend eternity in hell, was that it was a mis-translation. When the original text meant "age" or "eon".
Read this scripture Corinthians 15:28 "And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all."
If need of an understanding, in essence it means ultimate reconciliation. The purification of all in the end.
I'm probably gonna get blasted for being evil or somesort by some, if not most...But ultimate reconciliation even covers the basis of Satan and the fallen angels...Yes...That's right, even the devil in the end will once again be purified.

Egold · May 2005

wow when i left yesterday it was like 75 25 now its 50/50. weird. ::::18::

SatansDisciple · May 2005

The aetheists come out at night... ::::40::

I used to be highly anti-religious, a couple years ago I suppose. I wasn't brought up in a very religion-heavy environment either, never spent a day in church that wasn't a rare wedding/funeral. I used to believe that religion was the cause of more bad than good, Crusades, Holocaust, segregation, gay-hating, overall hate, etc. But now with my new, more selfish point of view on life, I believe that having something absolute to believe in is more important than anything else. I would give anything to have an absolute, unfaltering faith in a God. But it my current state of beliefs, I couldn't imagine it.

fawd · May 2005

Yup, I believe in God. He is a good guy

Axala · May 2005

Just had to add some info. No argument either way with this. Just stuff to think about

Islamic, Jewish, and Christians all believe in than same God. It is one of the things that make there various wars over the years funny. The difference is in their prophets. Jesus came about and separated out the christians, then Mohammed showed up and separated out the Islamic (mind you the Islamic beliefs are mostly descendent from the Jewish and not from christian at all, so it isn't a progression)

Ghost do not exist. Let me repeat that Ghosts do not exist. For ghost to exists you have to not only believe that the spirit continues on after death, but also the consciousness. That our memories are not stored in brain cells, but in the energy flowing between brain cells. Which we know is not true because we have studied the brain, well that and it is chemicals not electricity that neurons communicate with. Does that mean that some form of energy does not persists? By no means, that is still entirely possible; if there is a soul it has to go somewhere after death. conservation of energy tells us so. I don't know why we see what we see; but I can tell you something that might help. We do not see what is there. We interpret the light reflecting off things, and compare that to schemas that we have been setting up since before birth. We also often "see" things that have no light source at all, but in fact we feel due to minor changes in the air, or scents. This adds details to things we see that might not actually be visible even though we still "see" them. I guess I am saying for those that have seen ghosts that your are not crazy. you vary likely saw something, also felt some stuff that wasn't seeable, maybe imagined some more stuff, and a composite picture was made. Mind you that this energy that persists after death; if indeed there is an energy, could plausibly effect material things and so poltergeist are also possible, it's just the conscious determination that just can not be.

Not that anyone should take my word for it, I once had a conversation with God (not talked to, we conversed, he had his say). Sort of weird when I don't really believe in a god as a corporal entity.

Sobish · May 2005

Psalm 91

He who dwells in the shelter of the most high will abide in the shadow of the almighty.

I will say to the lord, "My refuge and my fortress, My God whom I trust!"

For it is He who delivers you from the snare of the trapper,And from deadly pestilence.

He will cover you with His pinions, And under His wings you may seek refuge;

His faithfulness is a shield and bulwark.

You will not be afraid of the terror by night, or the arrow that flies by day; Of the pestilance

that stalks in darkness, or of the destruction that lays waste at noon.

A thousand may fall at your side, And ten thousand at your right hand; But it shall not approach you.

You will only look on with your eyes, And see the recompence of the wicked.

For you have made the Lord, my refuge, Even the most high, your dwelling place.

No evil will befall you, Nor will any plague come near your tent.

For He will give His angels charge concerning you, to guard you in all your ways.

They will bear you up in their hands. least you strike your foot against a stone.

You will tread upon the lion and cobra, The young lion and the serpent you will trample down.

"Because he has loved Me, therefore I will deliver him;

I will set him securely on high, because he has known My name.

"He will call upon ME, and I will answer him;

I will be with him in trouble; I will rescue him, and honor him.

"With a long life I will satisfy him, And let him behold My salvation."

Marketh126 · May 2005

Yeah I do believe in a God, the one and only God, the God that will determine the bring an end to the world and take me to heaven, the God that will allow so many people go to hell because of they're minds have been clouded by satan.
The quote that i read somewhere in here that says something like the biggest thing that satan did in the 20th century was make us believe that he didnt exist. This is sooooo true.
and for the people that believe that there are things that proove the bible wrong i would like to read some of those things.
God has set a straight path for all of us but the fact that satan has set some of the paths off just one or 2 degrees is sad, that explains the religions that seem so similar but in the end are so different

Dezuria · May 2005

This page is great. http://mindprod.com/religion.html

neschria · May 2005

Interesting thread.

While I do believe in a God, it isn't out of fear of death or cosmic loneliness. I am not going to say I know as fact, but I am perfectly comfortable with mere faith based on a sense of divine presence.

I once blacked out (in a hospital, conveniently), and that time was just gone-- absolutely no awareness, nothing between the time I said "I'm dizzy" and the time I came to on the floor with nurses swarming me-- and after that, I thought that just disappearing like that wouldn't be so bad. I'll be thrilled if there is some kind of pleasant afterlife and somewhat less thrilled if I have to reincarnate, but I am ok with poofing out of existence, too.

If what I sense is illusion or delusion, it is of the happy, harmless sort, and I am glad to have it.

gargantroo · May 2005

Originally posted by neschria
Interesting thread.While I do believe in a God, it isn't out of fear of death or cosmic loneliness. I am not going to say I know as fact, but I am perfectly comfortable with mere faith based on a sense of divine presence.I once blacked out (in a hospital, conveniently), and that time was just gone-- absolutely no awareness, nothing between the time I said "I'm dizzy" and the time I came to on the floor with nurses swarming me-- and after that, I thought that just disappearing like that wouldn't be so bad. I'll be thrilled if there is some kind of pleasant afterlife and somewhat less thrilled if I have to reincarnate, but I am ok with poofing out of existence, too.If what I sense is illusion or delusion, it is of the happy, harmless sort, and I am glad to have it.

Reincarnation is the most comforting thought of death I have. And by that, I mean hopefully I will die and enter a new body and be totally unaware of my previous life, carrying no traits and starting over on a blank slate. I think death is just fading away though, even though it is a very uncomfortable thought.

Dezuria · May 2005

You say peoples minds are clouded by Satan? Okay, so religious fanatics have some clear sight of reality? I don't think so..

I've never believed in religion, and my mind is far from clouded. I see reality for what it is. If anything, religion clouds the mind.

Imagine if people never knew about the bible, therefor did not know about god or jesus or anyone of that sort. Would god still exist? I don't think so. Aside from word of mouth, and readings, god shows himself in no other form.

Assuming god even was real, think about his sole purpose serving as a god. His entire job consists of creating humans, so that he can watch from above and judge our actions. If he doesn't like what we do, he'll burn us for eternity. He also lets rapists run free at the same time he lets newborn babies die terribly. He sits back as humans kill each other off and does nothing about it, yet people can pray for silly things and they will recieve them.

Yes, we obviously have a god full of love and reason..

Don't say that unsensible stuff happens because it's gods greater "plan" because a plan needs a purpose, and this lacks one.

Dekron · May 2005

The bible is full of junk. I mean come on, it says you can't eat pork!

I love bacon! Pork fat rules! BAM! BAM!

lonelyrobot · May 2005

I don't, but I don't have a single problem with those that do (except the obnoxious ones of course... but then again I don't really think you can be considered religious the second you begin treating your god like a football team. Perhaps they don't count).

WizGamer · May 2005

Yes I do believe in One God. Please don't offend my religion and others' by your remarks. Just think, wouldn't you rather believe in God and then be good and go to heaven rather than go to hell and be tortured 24/7 til God obliterates your soul and then you don't exist. Think of it, you might not exist, as in no spirit, nothing, just got, just the end...

Razorback · May 2005

Originally posted by fawd

Yup, I believe in God. He is a good guy

So your certain hes not female then ?

See a lot of you on both sides confuse "faith" and "knowledge"

If you can prove something then it is probably "knowledge". If you beleive something is true then it is probably "faith"

Telling people you "know" something but not being able to prove it means you are speaking from "faith" not certainty. Its important you realise what your own true position is or you are deluding yourself and lying to others.

The only thing I am certain about is that none of you are certain about anything. You just know what you believe. Please understand this when you post because a lot of you are very insulting and disrespectfull of others when your arguments contain no more actual facts that your oponent.

Enjoy the debate, respect others beliefs, learn and grow. Recognise what you know and recognise what you believe.

Dekron · May 2005

Originally posted by WizGamer

Yes I do believe in One God. Please don't offend my religion and others' by your remarks. Just think, wouldn't you rather believe in God and then be good and go to heaven rather than go to hell and be tortured 24/7 til God obliterates your soul and then you don't exist. Think of it, you might not exist, as in no spirit, nothing, just got, just the end...

You've watched way too many movies. Even the bible describes hell as "separation from God". It does not at all mention that you will be tortured. Any pastor who says that is trying to use scare tactics to convert someone to christianity.

lonelyrobot · May 2005

Originally posted by dekron

Even the bible describes hell as "separation from God".

Actually, some bibles read "and/or the movie Good Burger" after that part. So it's still debatable.

vrtldave · May 2005

do you know the saying does not compute...

Gravestoned · May 2005

I believe in a God. Although I do not believe in religion. God obviously created us to live our lives, not to sit around praising him/her all day.

About natural disasters and terrorists attacks, God doesnt - in my opinion - like to interfere in human affairs. He creates us the way we are, and he knows what is going to happen, but in the end it will be better for us.

triptronic · May 2005

I do belive in god and i sorta dont, alot of times i think when you die you are reborn and given another life to live.

vrtldave · May 2005

I dont mean to be starting more wars... but all you guys just twist relgion so that it helps you best... techincally if you dont fallow on rule made in bible(made by jesus(transcribed but some other guy)) then you screwed by saying this and that you just making relgion suite you.... so blah blah blah ... I am tired...

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