This thread is nothing but flame bait, although I do find it amusing that a bunch of Xsyon players come to these forums to bash ER. Is Xsyon really that uninteresting that you would rather troll another games forums than play? Curious. Might check on Xsyon in about 6 months also once there is enough to keep players in the game I guess.
Its just that Earthrise deserves to be flamed. And its a way for people to let out their anger and disapointment. And yes, I feel better after it, and I'm allowed to do it, because I played €50 to be angry.
I bought both games, so I can talk about both of them as much as I like And switching to xsyon waas the best I could have done. But still, there is big anger in me about Earthrise and what they did to us people. Just look at Earthrise rating and Rating-comments. And then look at Xsyon. I think soooo many disappointed people earned the right to flame as much as they like. Burn this game down!
Well I actually got both games, and I do follow both forums. ER has a very nice combat system, that could become fantastic if they sort out the lag etc. But Xsyon sure has more sand in their box atm imho. When it comes to communication I think Xsyon wins this one for sure. I get daily update there by the devs, while ERs devs just now took down the game, and didn´t say it was for the patch until asked, and haven´t even got any patch notes ready yet. They "are writing them now". Sure feels abit strange. But I do hope ERs patch fixes some of the exploits etc, and I do hope Xsyon sorts it´s shit with the new servers etc. I´m gonna stick with both checking them out and see who will win my main focus.
This is unbelievable how some people compare the pathetic game Xsyon to anything on the market, not only Earthrise.
Now back on topic, Earthrise devs communicate more than they are supposed to, check their number of posts on the official forums, Ostiak has 78 posts, which is an average of 4 posts a day. This whole topic is ridiculus, you cannot compare games by how much the devs talk to the community.
I mean really... I'm playing Xsyon and all and am impressed with their communication skills (sorry ER folks but they ARE pushing all the right buttons in that regard) but I really don't understand why come here and flame people. This is all turning into a pointless "my game is better than yours!" shouting match.
Move this to the Pub please and lets have some kind of a grown up discussion on "what is the proper way to communicate with your subscribers, regardless of the game's actual quality" which is what this thread purports to be.
its not really about comparing how many posts the devs have on the forum, its comparing how the companies react to the problems of their released game.
Xsyon already had a patch after weekend, and the devs and mods where in the chat, talking about the problems that just happened. And they immidiatly posted on the forum about the problem and what is going to happen. And once a day there is an update how they solve the problems.
Earthrise still think their game is in a "good" state and didnt even reacted when the game was a mess after release. And still, getting information what is going on is reaaly rare on earthrise. The Devs dont show up in game, the havent even posted an official statement to their awefull release and noone really knows thats going on.
These are just 2 totally different qualities of communications and involvement of the people who paid them. Xsyon was even intelligent enough to make a prerelease to see if something unexpected happens.
I experianced both releases, and both had problems (earthrise had many more problems when released and still got after 2 weeks) and it was a totally different quality of release.
Xsyon imiddiatly searched the problem, and announced that they are going to get more and better servers now. The release has been moved to middle of march and the server will be wiped. That information was announced just 2 days after release.
Noone knows yet what is happening to Earthrise. Thousand of people just sit there and hope for information, even weeks after official release.
This thread is just about comparing the release reaction of xsyon to the reaction of earthrise. And everyone has to admit that xsyon won. Just watch the ratings here on mmorpg.com. We dont even need to talk about it here, its totally obvisiouly which game succeeded
I mean really... I'm playing Xsyon and all and am impressed with their communication skills (sorry ER folks but they ARE pushing all the right buttons in that regard) but I really don't understand why come here and flame people. This is all turning into a pointless "my game is better than yours!" shouting match.
Move this to the Pub please and lets have some kind of a grown up discussion on "what is the proper way to communicate with your subscribers, regardless of the game's actual quality" which is what this thread purports to be.
I think this thread is more for people who bought earthrise and xsyon and experianced both releases. Why not compare two Sandbox games that got released at the same time? And there are many people who got both games. for me it was first earthrise, and then I went to xsyon, because I was so disappointed.
so I think this discussion isnt that pointless. Two games, Sandbox, sci-fi, PVP games, released at the same time with server and game problems. And at the moment, I just feel better by having Xsyon, without it, I would still be angry all the time that I lost €50 and have no game to play. And comparing these both just seems naturally
But its true that is not really going somewhere, I think its mostly for us angry people to have some others with the same thoughts to feel a bit better
This thread is just about comparing the release reaction of xsyon to the reaction of earthrise. And everyone has to admit that xsyon won.
Unfortunately no one really wins when a game (ER) comes out like this. It's bad for the community as a whole, and definitely bad for the people who spent their money on a completely unfinished product. It tells developers that it is ok to release an alpha stage product and people will buy it, even at $50.
On a side note, I see ER finally released a patch today. Was it the miracle patch all were hoping for? Looked like it had some decent changes, but most of it seemed to be no brainer stuff that should have already been in there for fixed before the game was released.
Unfortunately no one really wins when a game (ER) comes out like this. It's bad for the community as a whole, and definitely bad for the people who spent their money on a completely unfinished product. It tells developers that it is ok to release an alpha stage product and people will buy it, even at $50.
You are right. No one does win when it comes out like this. I just got Xyson and appreciate the communication we have gotten but don't appreciate the state of things currently.
I experianced both releases, and both had problems (earthrise had many more problems when released and still got after 2 weeks) and it was a totally different quality of release.
Well, Xsyon still has 4 weeks until release, it has not released, just the pre-release which is like beta kind of.
Sincerity doesn't make a good game. I couldn't care less how empathetic the dev team are to the communities insecurity, as long as the game progresses/improves thats all that counts to me.
The problem with Masthead is, that they don't listen to their players at all actually and only followe their so called "plan".
If they would listen, then they would've changed alot of their stuff during beta allready, and I'm speaking of beta a few month ago.
You're so wrong though. There's an entire forum dedicated to the community's wishes. Guess what, they have a plan because they're professional developers. Do you think they just sit around twiddling their thumbs waiting for people like you to tell them what to do? lol. Use your head a little.
I watch both forums and played both games. I can honestly say that the communication is much better on the Xsyon site. I know that ER has a dedicated section on what players would like to see, but I haven't seen any actual implementation of these ideas or indeed player suggestions (of course I could be wrong, because I don't see every aspect of the game. Xsyon on the other hand I have seen direct and responsive changes made based on the communities feedback. To me, this is the most telling point on which game has the best dev/player relationship.
This could be a bad thing, as the loudest players could become too loud of a voice and dictate what gets implemented and what doesn't. It could mean the developers have lack of vision of the game because they have to ask players for what to do.
In Xsyon I found an exploit and was easily able to PM Jooky directly (his game) and he replied within an hour saying, "Great catch! We can block this. Thank you very much!"
How can people honestly compare the 2 games communication wise?
Masthead wouldn't even have posted Patchnotes if there hadn't been like 3-4 whine threads and shitload more posts demanding them. It took em a week to start posting server updates again after lots of complaining from the playerbase.
But seriously Masthead should talk more.... it's pretty hilarious watching Atanas claim "I think that the Earthrise release was a success and had less technical difficulties than other MMO releases in general".
Keep doing what you do best Atanas! Awesome believable communication at it's finest!
Communication aside...both games are unplayable as they stand.
Xyson is down again, as they examine why the data keeps getting corrupted. Nothing but lag, crash, rollback, wipe. In that order, repeated. Not sure when they are going to do a final launch of their beta material.
Yes i know xsyon is in beta, and earthrise is new....but still...these are dark days for sandbox fans.
I mean really... I'm playing Xsyon and all and am impressed with their communication skills (sorry ER folks but they ARE pushing all the right buttons in that regard) but I really don't understand why come here and flame people. This is all turning into a pointless "my game is better than yours!" shouting match.
Move this to the Pub please and lets have some kind of a grown up discussion on "what is the proper way to communicate with your subscribers, regardless of the game's actual quality" which is what this thread purports to be.
I concur, this should be in the pub and not on the ER forum. Its obviously a bait to get everyones dander up. Someone mentioned that they were amused that all these Xsyon fans were coming to the ER forum to bash the game. Its not that we are all 'coming to the ER' forum, but that this thread was started in the ER forum and we are simply replying to the thread.
One thing i've noticed about the MMORPG community is that many ppl are pro their game and anti any other game. At least thats the way it seems to me in their posts. Nobody seems to be happy for the other guy; nobody seems to hope for the best for the other MMO. Its just sad.
I've played both games, and I enjoy Xsyon more. I hope those who play ER have a great time. Me, I'm sticking to Xsyon right now. Yes Xson has problems. However, I do like their communication with the community and their responsiveness in fixing/tweaking things that the community finds. I didn't get that impression from the ER devs. To each his own.
Once agin, send this to the pub, where it is at least on neutral territory.
Frankly I think we should support, in some way, all sandbox games. Until a true sandbox game succeeds, the bigger companies will never gamble on developing one themselves. They'll just stick to the simple tried and true 'pretty theme park' model that has proven to be easy and a money maker.
I always wonder why people call Earthrise a Sandbox game. Just because there are no levels but different skills that you level up?
There are questgivers, there are regions with weak enemies, with stronger and stronger enemies. so you go your way trough the world like in all other mmorpgs.
Sandbox to me means some kind of living world (not just random spawning mobs), ability to change the world, to build things in the world and to rise without the Questgivers.
Earthrise doesnt has more sandbox elements then WoW does? The more I play and think about Earthrise, the less I think it is really a sandbox game. I mean, what is sandbox about it? You got a character that you level up, you go through questgivers to get the money to get new gears and you can go to other areas when you get stronger. You can fight other guilds with your own guild and you can craft weapons and armor.
Thats all nice, but to be honest, I dont know any other mmorpg that doesnt have all these aspects and still is not Sandbox
Earthrise MIGHT be a sandbox game in the future when they add some features maybe.
Star Wars Galaxies was Sandbox, because you could survive just by your own and you were able to change the world through gathering and building.
Wurm Online is Sandbox, just because there are no quests, and everything in game is playermade. Just like Xsyon.
Even Ryzom has more Sandbox elements then Earthrise.
Just because there are no intelligent Quests, a game doesnt become "Sandbox"
Hm ok, but that has nothing to do with the subject of this thread. It just came in my head by reading all the sandbox comments, that this game just is no Sandbox. Its just a normal mmorpg with lack of Quests?
Yea Xsyon's dev guy, I forget his name but he worked on Roma Victor back in the day, he's there posting updates, doing server boots, chatting in game to let people know what's going on or to bug collect info from players, etc. That was just yesterday.
Eearthrise.. well you'd think their team would have been all over it, as this was a good live demonstration of their engine which apparently they are or have sold to interplay for the Fallout MMO.. Yea.. Not sure I will even bother trying that mmo, if it uses this engine
Originally posted by mgilbrtsn Someone mentioned that they were amused that all these Xsyon fans were coming to the ER forum to bash the game.
Yea.. the thing about that is.. go take a look at the Tribes recruitment section of Xsyon (aka guilds), it's a lot of familiar names, from ER, from MO, from DF.. the usual suspects.. So like me, chances are these people still cling to a shred of hope for ER, but are set to go the Xsyon route instead.
So don't be surprised at the forum cross-over, it's the same player bases after all.
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This thread is nothing but flame bait, although I do find it amusing that a bunch of Xsyon players come to these forums to bash ER. Is Xsyon really that uninteresting that you would rather troll another games forums than play? Curious. Might check on Xsyon in about 6 months also once there is enough to keep players in the game I guess.
Its just that Earthrise deserves to be flamed. And its a way for people to let out their anger and disapointment. And yes, I feel better after it, and I'm allowed to do it, because I played €50 to be angry.
I bought both games, so I can talk about both of them as much as I like
And switching to xsyon waas the best I could have done. But still, there is big anger in me about Earthrise and what they did to us people. Just look at Earthrise rating and Rating-comments. And then look at Xsyon. I think soooo many disappointed people earned the right to flame as much as they like. Burn this game down! 
Well I actually got both games, and I do follow both forums. ER has a very nice combat system, that could become fantastic if they sort out the lag etc. But Xsyon sure has more sand in their box atm imho. When it comes to communication I think Xsyon wins this one for sure. I get daily update there by the devs, while ERs devs just now took down the game, and didn´t say it was for the patch until asked, and haven´t even got any patch notes ready yet. They "are writing them now". Sure feels abit strange. But I do hope ERs patch fixes some of the exploits etc, and I do hope Xsyon sorts it´s shit with the new servers etc. I´m gonna stick with both checking them out and see who will win my main focus.
This is unbelievable how some people compare the pathetic game Xsyon to anything on the market, not only Earthrise.
Now back on topic, Earthrise devs communicate more than they are supposed to, check their number of posts on the official forums, Ostiak has 78 posts, which is an average of 4 posts a day. This whole topic is ridiculus, you cannot compare games by how much the devs talk to the community.
What is this thread doing in Earthrise forums?
I mean really... I'm playing Xsyon and all and am impressed with their communication skills (sorry ER folks but they ARE pushing all the right buttons in that regard) but I really don't understand why come here and flame people. This is all turning into a pointless "my game is better than yours!" shouting match.
Move this to the Pub please and lets have some kind of a grown up discussion on "what is the proper way to communicate with your subscribers, regardless of the game's actual quality" which is what this thread purports to be.
its not really about comparing how many posts the devs have on the forum, its comparing how the companies react to the problems of their released game.
Xsyon already had a patch after weekend, and the devs and mods where in the chat, talking about the problems that just happened. And they immidiatly posted on the forum about the problem and what is going to happen. And once a day there is an update how they solve the problems.
Earthrise still think their game is in a "good" state and didnt even reacted when the game was a mess after release. And still, getting information what is going on is reaaly rare on earthrise. The Devs dont show up in game, the havent even posted an official statement to their awefull release and noone really knows thats going on.
These are just 2 totally different qualities of communications and involvement of the people who paid them. Xsyon was even intelligent enough to make a prerelease to see if something unexpected happens.
I experianced both releases, and both had problems (earthrise had many more problems when released and still got after 2 weeks) and it was a totally different quality of release.
Xsyon imiddiatly searched the problem, and announced that they are going to get more and better servers now. The release has been moved to middle of march and the server will be wiped. That information was announced just 2 days after release.
Noone knows yet what is happening to Earthrise. Thousand of people just sit there and hope for information, even weeks after official release.
This thread is just about comparing the release reaction of xsyon to the reaction of earthrise. And everyone has to admit that xsyon won. Just watch the ratings here on mmorpg.com. We dont even need to talk about it here, its totally obvisiouly which game succeeded
I think this thread is more for people who bought earthrise and xsyon and experianced both releases. Why not compare two Sandbox games that got released at the same time? And there are many people who got both games. for me it was first earthrise, and then I went to xsyon, because I was so disappointed.
so I think this discussion isnt that pointless. Two games, Sandbox, sci-fi, PVP games, released at the same time with server and game problems. And at the moment, I just feel better by having Xsyon, without it, I would still be angry all the time that I lost €50 and have no game to play. And comparing these both just seems naturally
But its true that is not really going somewhere, I think its mostly for us angry people to have some others with the same thoughts to feel a bit better
Unfortunately no one really wins when a game (ER) comes out like this. It's bad for the community as a whole, and definitely bad for the people who spent their money on a completely unfinished product. It tells developers that it is ok to release an alpha stage product and people will buy it, even at $50.
On a side note, I see ER finally released a patch today. Was it the miracle patch all were hoping for? Looked like it had some decent changes, but most of it seemed to be no brainer stuff that should have already been in there for fixed before the game was released.
You are right. No one does win when it comes out like this. I just got Xyson and appreciate the communication we have gotten but don't appreciate the state of things currently.
This could be a bad thing, as the loudest players could become too loud of a voice and dictate what gets implemented and what doesn't. It could mean the developers have lack of vision of the game because they have to ask players for what to do.
Not saying this is the case. Just a scenario.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
In Xsyon I found an exploit and was easily able to PM Jooky directly (his game) and he replied within an hour saying, "Great catch! We can block this. Thank you very much!"
Does not get much better than this.
How can people honestly compare the 2 games communication wise?
Masthead wouldn't even have posted Patchnotes if there hadn't been like 3-4 whine threads and shitload more posts demanding them. It took em a week to start posting server updates again after lots of complaining from the playerbase.
But seriously Masthead should talk more.... it's pretty hilarious watching Atanas claim "I think that the Earthrise release was a success and had less technical difficulties than other MMO releases in general".
Keep doing what you do best Atanas! Awesome believable communication at it's finest!
Communication aside...both games are unplayable as they stand.
Xyson is down again, as they examine why the data keeps getting corrupted. Nothing but lag, crash, rollback, wipe. In that order, repeated. Not sure when they are going to do a final launch of their beta material.
Yes i know xsyon is in beta, and earthrise is new....but still...these are dark days for sandbox fans.
I concur, this should be in the pub and not on the ER forum. Its obviously a bait to get everyones dander up. Someone mentioned that they were amused that all these Xsyon fans were coming to the ER forum to bash the game. Its not that we are all 'coming to the ER' forum, but that this thread was started in the ER forum and we are simply replying to the thread.
One thing i've noticed about the MMORPG community is that many ppl are pro their game and anti any other game. At least thats the way it seems to me in their posts. Nobody seems to be happy for the other guy; nobody seems to hope for the best for the other MMO. Its just sad.
I've played both games, and I enjoy Xsyon more. I hope those who play ER have a great time. Me, I'm sticking to Xsyon right now. Yes Xson has problems. However, I do like their communication with the community and their responsiveness in fixing/tweaking things that the community finds. I didn't get that impression from the ER devs. To each his own.
Once agin, send this to the pub, where it is at least on neutral territory.
I self identify as a monkey.
Frankly I think we should support, in some way, all sandbox games. Until a true sandbox game succeeds, the bigger companies will never gamble on developing one themselves. They'll just stick to the simple tried and true 'pretty theme park' model that has proven to be easy and a money maker.
I always wonder why people call Earthrise a Sandbox game. Just because there are no levels but different skills that you level up?
There are questgivers, there are regions with weak enemies, with stronger and stronger enemies. so you go your way trough the world like in all other mmorpgs.
Sandbox to me means some kind of living world (not just random spawning mobs), ability to change the world, to build things in the world and to rise without the Questgivers.
Earthrise doesnt has more sandbox elements then WoW does? The more I play and think about Earthrise, the less I think it is really a sandbox game. I mean, what is sandbox about it? You got a character that you level up, you go through questgivers to get the money to get new gears and you can go to other areas when you get stronger. You can fight other guilds with your own guild and you can craft weapons and armor.
Thats all nice, but to be honest, I dont know any other mmorpg that doesnt have all these aspects and still is not Sandbox
Earthrise MIGHT be a sandbox game in the future when they add some features maybe.
Star Wars Galaxies was Sandbox, because you could survive just by your own and you were able to change the world through gathering and building.
Wurm Online is Sandbox, just because there are no quests, and everything in game is playermade. Just like Xsyon.
Even Ryzom has more Sandbox elements then Earthrise.
Just because there are no intelligent Quests, a game doesnt become "Sandbox"
Hm ok, but that has nothing to do with the subject of this thread. It just came in my head by reading all the sandbox comments, that this game just is no Sandbox. Its just a normal mmorpg with lack of Quests?
Yea Xsyon's dev guy, I forget his name but he worked on Roma Victor back in the day, he's there posting updates, doing server boots, chatting in game to let people know what's going on or to bug collect info from players, etc. That was just yesterday.
Eearthrise.. well you'd think their team would have been all over it, as this was a good live demonstration of their engine which apparently they are or have sold to interplay for the Fallout MMO.. Yea.. Not sure I will even bother trying that mmo, if it uses this engine
Yea.. the thing about that is.. go take a look at the Tribes recruitment section of Xsyon (aka guilds), it's a lot of familiar names, from ER, from MO, from DF.. the usual suspects.. So like me, chances are these people still cling to a shred of hope for ER, but are set to go the Xsyon route instead.
So don't be surprised at the forum cross-over, it's the same player bases after all.