do not buy RIFT

marquisk2 · February 2011

My gf and I are enjoying the game. We played beta and we knew what we were getting. Did you play the FREE OPEN beta to see if you would like it before purchasing?

Cereo · February 2011

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by cinos

Can someone explain why just because it's the op's first post that his opinion is clearly a troll?

Is the community here so bad that this is all you expect from newcomers?

Yes, actually, you have to earn your stripes to post here on MMORPG.com (and have a thick skin)

Besides, look at the OP, reminds me of the GEICO commercial where they say "you have to be living under a rock not to know Geico can save you 15% on car insurance"..... same with Rift, if you somehow managed to buy it without knowing exactly what sort of game it is you just had to have your head stuck in the sand somewhere.

And just to clarify, Kyleran has tons of street cred here and I'd trust his opinion 1000x more than some guy that makes an account and posts an arbitrary negative review of a new game immediately.

Xthos · February 2011

Yeah, if you didn't bother to play the open beta, and need an anonymous person on a message board to tell you what to do....do not buy RIFT!

Please be welcome to stay and tell everyone how you hate the game and people in it though.

We would miss reading your misery.

OkhamsRazor · February 2011

@ those waiting for GW2 how do we know its going to be any good ? As far as I'm aware none of us have actually played it nor do we have a definate release date . To me RIFT seams as good a place as anywhere to spend the time even if your waiting for GW2 . If you want something totally innovative and new it may be not for you . Then again your proberbly not going to like GW2 either or any other mmo to be released in the next 5-10 years . I guess if thats your reason for not liking RIFT as a fantasy mmo then its proberbly time to give them up for a while and go and do something else instead .

For me RIFT was the closest thing I got to that feeling I had when I first played WoW all those years ago but I've been around the block a few times since then and I don't think anything will quite impress me in the same way again given it was my first mmo . Unfortunatly my pc struggled with it in the beta and that was the real deal breaker for me not the quality of the game . (my pc can handle lotro at high to ultra and AOC at medium to high with a few tweaks of the controls but on RIFT it only got 15-30 fps at minimum settings and went down to 6 fps in some RIFT events ) .

Like with any new mmo I would suggest rather than not to buy if you have doubts wait for the price to come down a little or wait for a free trial . If theres a trial in a few months I will give it a go and if the fps has improved I would'nt hesitate in buying it .

Its a lot of fun .

Lazarus71 · February 2011

Originally posted by SnarkRitter

Originally posted by Leucent

I can t agree with this. Polished, does not mean content. It has the same standard affair of kill this, collect this etc etc. It has collections that most won t even care about after awhile. It has rifts that to me are just glorified PQ s that become extremely stale. It has a soul system that is going to make starter areas desolate, because people won t need to make new chars. It has or will have a DF system. It is a spoon fed, easy mode MMO, that will become boring to alot of people in time. I m not sure it will, I m just predicting it will happen. I can t take anyone seriously if they think it will retain even half the people who bought the game in the first place.

You know what? If you actually have researched about rift content's for launch you'd know that rift has more than sufficient amount of content for launch, all of the instanced dungeons will have expert version for level cap which expanded the storyline and have more content than the normal version. Several open world rift raids(not the same as regular rifts), one raid instances not to mention 10 and 20 version. I wonder how could you disagree with me that the game does not have sufficient content for launch.

About the "It has the same standard affair of kill this, collect this etc etc. It has collections that most won t even care about after awhile. It has rifts that to me are just glorified PQ s that become extremely stale ". The first part I agree but it has rifts to break up the monotony. The last part is opinion, but people will still do rift to get token and stuffs for gears, just like people still daily farm heroics in WoW.

About the "Rift will have a DF system", no it won't just like BFBC2 did not have the DF system, FF XIV is the game that will have the DF system. People will still roll new toons because while each calling can choose to build the souls the way they want, they're still within the boundary of the souls that belong to that calling, not to mention each calling are still limited in armour, weaponry and playstyle. Also did you know that the extreme vast majority of WoW players never level more than 2 chars to max level?

"It is a spoon fed, easy mode MMO, that will become boring to alot of people in time." This "alot of people", whatever they are they're definitely not the majority, and while I'm a hardcore gamer I still have to accept the fact that the vast majority prefer things to be.....not too rough.

"I m not sure it will, I m just predicting it will happen"

Would you kindly add "I personally believe" before each of your sentence regarding the fate of this game instead of spouting them as fact or.....prophecies?

"I can t take anyone seriously if they think it will retain even half the people who bought the game in the first place."

And after reading your posts more thoroughly , I can't take you seriously anymore, they give me a very strong feeling that you've never actually played the game and only watch videos and read some rather vague and generalized stuffs about it then come here to to become the prophet of doom, or you've never made it past the first levels.

well said +1

ThomasN7 · February 2011

People should try outr zrift because it is a super fun game to play. So many people doing rift event and pvping their butts off too!

Shatter30 · February 2011

FYI...GW2 is liklely not going to be out until 2012. Read NCSoft's first quarter financial statement where they elude to a "possible" beta in 2011. They are also not counting on any profits from GW2 in 2011 financials since they dont believe it will be out this year.

holifeet · February 2011

Originally posted by Cereo

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by cinos

Can someone explain why just because it's the op's first post that his opinion is clearly a troll?

Is the community here so bad that this is all you expect from newcomers?

Yes, actually, you have to earn your stripes to post here on MMORPG.com (and have a thick skin)

Besides, look at the OP, reminds me of the GEICO commercial where they say "you have to be living under a rock not to know Geico can save you 15% on car insurance"..... same with Rift, if you somehow managed to buy it without knowing exactly what sort of game it is you just had to have your head stuck in the sand somewhere.

And just to clarify, Kyleran has tons of street cred here and I'd trust his opinion 1000x more than some guy that makes an account and posts an arbitrary negative review of a new game immediately.

Why does that new member, that might merely wish to let people know what he feels should be known, have any less reason to say what he likes? When Kyleran was new here did people say 'you're just a one post member and your thoughts mean nothing'?

The OP's post could be 2 or 3 lines written in bad English and spouting ahtred, but it's not. He goes some way to say why he thinks what he thinks. More so than many of the people that come on here to say 'OMG the dude's a troll', or some such rubbish.

And this is by no means to say that I don't trust what Kyleran says. We were all first time posters though. There has to be that stage.

k44cv9 · February 2011

Iam happy that i was in all the Beta events so that i could see for my self how bad the game really was. Well tru enough its a new world and we have "rifts" poping up here and there making all the close players on the map come togheter in effort to defet the monsters coming out off the rift and ofc gaining rewards.

And i wouldent say that the hole thing with the skill tree is that remarkable that it would count into the "next-gen" mmos. Sure basicly everyone can heal, tank and dps if you put the points in right. Thing is with this system you have alot off different combinations for chars. But then again looking at some off the builds they do remind alot off different builds from wow.

Conclusion, if you whant a copy-paste of wow just with a new world and some new skills, pls go ahead and buy the game. If you are looking for the "next-gen" mmo dont buy this game.

Myself i will stick to lotro untill GW2 is out there and well yea some APB:Reloaded beta will also have some room in my gaming time.

MMO.Maverick · February 2011

Originally posted by elocke

Originally posted by Elidien

Originally posted by Aguitha

What i dont get is how can you be bored of WOW and enjoy Rift ? I've been bored of WOW for over a year i tried Rift and it felt the same as playing WOW. I'm not buying the game just because it's too similar to WOW.

Because its a different world, different story, different NPC's, different quests, etc....

No offense your argument sounds like, to me, "How can you enjoy reading a fantasy novel if you read one before?" or "How can you like this movie's sequel if you liked the first one?".

To me, I cannot understand why if someone really liked WOW, why they do not like Rift even more.

This^^

Well said.

Agreed.

This deserves indeed a repeated quote, especially the colored bold part.

People read a lot of the same type of books and watch the same type of movies and sequels. Why should it suddenly be different for MMO's, that people should dislike the same type of MMO's after playing 1 or 2 of them?

Sounds to me like something people say who've grown tired and jaded with current themepark MMO mechanics, not people who are still enjoying them.

Unknown · February 2011

Originally posted by Kilmar

Originally posted by T67U89
I purchased this game on Thurs and have already cancelled my account and requesting a full refund through paypal.

This game is the saddest excuse for a "Next-Gen" MMO i've ever seen. In fact, Trion should be sued for false advertisement for even daring to market this thing as Next-Gen. It is about as next-gen as putting wheels on a Bike.

There is nothing going for this game. It's as generic as generic can possibly be. One might argue and say "But they have Rifts!"... right. A spot on the map where a bunch of monsters get spammed out of. Gee, I wonder how many seconds that took to think up and implement.

The combat system is just your generic button mashing.... graphics are mediocre at best.... At the end of the day it's nothing more than a bad version of WoW.

Save your money for something like Guild Wars 2... stay away.

First post, new account, I see your point...

Lol troll, no? I preordered rift once I got into the open beta. Been enjoying it very much since. A step above the rest of the mmos these days I would say. In my personal experience There have been zero server crashes at launch, 0 emergency update patches for bugs. In the aspect of releasing a quality product, it is next-gen.

MetalFreak89 · February 2011

To late man i already bought it. I disagree tho about the game being a waste of money i have played many morpg's in the past and been on and off of wow. I find this game to be very fun and i am enjoying the fresh lore. Sure it may have its similarities to WoW but i wouldnt go as far as calling it a clone it has its diffrences, and on that note not every new game is a wow clone hell wow was an Eq clone, but lets nto get into that. This may not be as innovative as some would like but it is still a good game. i doubt you will see any game with enough innovation to please the masses anywere in the near future. Just take a deep breath sit back and enjoy some fresh lore for a change.

soulcat · February 2011

I am getting a little tired of the whole, next-gen argument. Has anyone really considered what Next-gen really means. It's the next generation. It does not neccessarily mean new ideas or innovation. It means it builds off of the previous generation. In nature the next generation of creatures usually does not have new traits, it has a semi random mix of traits from it parents. When it does have new traits it is a mutation, and those often fail. Sometimes the mutation may help, but more often than not it results in failure. Honestly Rifts is pretty much the definition of next generation. It takes traits from several games, mixes them together. Yes it is not innovative (mutated), but a lot of those games have died, or have not been able to compete. If you enjoyed the previous generation of games, but you have been there done that. This might be the game for you, it is simular to the previous generation, so no learning curve or big surprises, but it is a new world to explore. If you are looking for something different it's not the game for you, and just maybe you might get lucky and find a mutant game that survives and even thrives, but those are rare.

SnarkRitter · February 2011

Man I love the nostalgia filter. Every bad gameplay design,inconvenient, outdated features and fucked up balancings just need to pass through that filter to become "deep gameplay".

mastersomrat · February 2011

RIFT rocks! Its the bast thing I've seen in years...........and I've checked them ALL out. Played WoW for five years but their is only so much of the same thing one can do. If Blizzard want to retain subs they are going to have to do something new (or simpy add things every MMO already have). That being said, I use to much more content than RIFT currently has but then again, it's not even released yet. Hopr Trion keeps adding content.

Lazarus71 · February 2011

Originally posted by Krky7
I think this game can work for people who've never played an MMO, or at least, never played a fantasy MMO. But if you're even remotely an MMO veteran, I think you'll find this attempt at next-gen MMO laughable. It is a blatant WoW clone, down to sound effects and item icons. I found it utterly unplayable. There's not an original pixel in the whole game. So, if you have nothing to compare it with, you might even enjoy it for a while. But if you've ever tried LOTRO, WoW, AION, AoC, DDO or virtualy any other fantasy MMO, you will probably find them vastly superior to this poor jumble of outdated concepts.

I've been playing MMOs since UO and love Rift, kind of disproves your point doesn't lol.

You know I'm playing Rift and I'm having a great time and that's all that matters in my opinion. I don't feel I'm of lesser intelligence or settling for an easy mode game as some love to imply or straight out say. I will never understand peoples need to belittle others because they enjoy a game that said individual does not. I will get my enjoyment out of Rift wether it be for 2 months or 2 years and that to me will be well worth the 50 dollars I spent.

erictlewis · February 2011

Originally posted by holifeet

Originally posted by Cereo

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by cinos
Can someone explain why just because it's the op's first post that his opinion is clearly a troll?

Is the community here so bad that this is all you expect from newcomers?

Yes, actually, you have to earn your stripes to post here on MMORPG.com (and have a thick skin)

Besides, look at the OP, reminds me of the GEICO commercial where they say "you have to be living under a rock not to know Geico can save you 15% on car insurance"..... same with Rift, if you somehow managed to buy it without knowing exactly what sort of game it is you just had to have your head stuck in the sand somewhere.

And just to clarify, Kyleran has tons of street cred here and I'd trust his opinion 1000x more than some guy that makes an account and posts an arbitrary negative review of a new game immediately.

Why does that new member, that might merely wish to let people know what he feels should be known, have any less reason to say what he likes? When Kyleran was new here did people say 'you're just a one post member and your thoughts mean nothing'?

The OP's post could be 2 or 3 lines written in bad English and spouting ahtred, but it's not. He goes some way to say why he thinks what he thinks. More so than many of the people that come on here to say 'OMG the dude's a troll', or some such rubbish.

And this is by no means to say that I don't trust what Kyleran says. We were all first time posters though. There has to be that stage.

So really you cant tell this entire topic was a bait and troll post. LoL we been there done that with this topic hundreds of threads and topics. All the sudden one person shows up and goes oh i hate it because. I am not a rift fan in fact i been on the side with the pitch forks against rift.

However even I am smart enough to see this guy created a new account just to troll with. And we are seing it a lot now.

Either one or 2 things has happened. They have another account already and dont want to get a warning, or another warning added, or they already been banned.

I'm like the first thing the guy did was to launch an attack against rift. Usually folks come over to this site due to a promotion or something.

After reading what the op had to say anybody with half a brain can figure out that it was a troll bait and attack thread. Quite frankly they need to lock this thread as its degenerated into the sam old attacks.

Maitrader · February 2011

Originally posted by Xzen

Originally posted by maitrader

Originally posted by holifeet

Originally posted by cobaltdemon

A fool is still foolish. I declair a witch hunt and open season on the troll. Let the mob form! Mob rules! BURN THE TROLL!

I suggest that you start looking for a model-T. Since it was concidered the 1st car and since everything the came after it is just repitions of the same-old same-old. There is nothing new out there, just cheap-ass repitions of the previous designs that you are unwill/unable to accept as true progressions of development.

Rift is a progression of development? Exactly what is progressive about Rift?

- The class system is just 4 AA tables.

- The rifts are just glorifiedPQs without the story.

- The combat is duller than anything that has come before. No abilities are anything to write home about.

- The dungeons are more linear and simplistic than anything I have ever seen.

- The questing makes this game more of a platformer than an MMO.

- The world is the smallest and most compact I have seen in any MMO. Runescape is bigger...possibly.

Tell me, what is progressive about Rift? Other than how is progresses the simplistic nature of modern MMOs even further, that is.

Well I totally understand your post as it probably comes from someone whos unemployed. For those of us that actually DO work, this game is perfect! we do not have the time to play 8 - 10 hours a day.. thus we need to be able to get into instance action, be that questing/rifts/invasions/"linear dungeons"... This game really does cater to the casual population, not the "hardcore" ... you now, the hardcore that cant even get a job due to be unkept and toothless, toothless due to the amount of red bull they drink... we simply arent "that"... so yes, should you be unemployed with nothing better to do but be immersed in a world 10 hours a day, this probably isnt the best game for you... go play FF XI or better yet, Vanguard

Another reason to avoid Rift. The community is full of people like this guy.

employed, professional people? yes I do agree that's why I love the rift community :>

holifeet · February 2011

Originally posted by soulcat
I am getting a little tired of the whole, next-gen argument. Has anyone really considered what Next-gen really means. It's the next generation. It does not neccessarily mean new ideas or innovation. It means it builds off of the previous generation. In nature the next generation of creatures usually does not have new traits, it has a semi random mix of traits from it parents. When it does have new traits it is a mutation, and those often fail. Sometimes the mutation may help, but more often than not it results in failure. Honestly Rifts is pretty much the definition of next generation. It takes traits from several games, mixes them together. Yes it is not innovative (mutated), but a lot of those games have died, or have not been able to compete. If you enjoyed the previous generation of games, but you have been there done that. This might be the game for you, it is simular to the previous generation, so no learning curve or big surprises, but it is a new world to explore. If you are looking for something different it's not the game for you, and just maybe you might get lucky and find a mutant game that survives and even thrives, but those are rare.

No, I think next-generation means an improvement on what has gone on before. I'm pretty sure that is what is frequently taken to be the context of the statement. Changing that to cover up the fact that Rift is not changing anything for the better isn't going to hgold up excuses about how poor it is.

What excuse does Rift really have for not doing something new and interesting, but instead stepping the genre backwards a few years?

Ekaros · February 2011

Rift migth be both bad and good for MMO-market:

1. It proves you can make new MMO which is polished and bug free(not sure if fully, but no major game stopers) from the begining.

2. An other fantasy MMORPG can make profit...

I don't know what is the issue of all bitter MMO veterans? Their game losing players? Their GREAT IDEAS not implemented yet again? They don't get their dream game, an full sandbox(just see how well those have done in recent years)?

How hard is it to just look at game, "Ah, an other generic fantasy MMORPG, not realy intrest in more of them." and pass on?

How many people realisticly think an old-school game would do well anymore? Games are expensive and HC-crowd is small and demands way too much...

Personaly I think it good to see a game with proper production values, even if it doesn't bring much new to genre.

holifeet · February 2011

Originally posted by maitrader

Originally posted by Xzen

Originally posted by maitrader

Originally posted by holifeet

Originally posted by cobaltdemon

A fool is still foolish. I declair a witch hunt and open season on the troll. Let the mob form! Mob rules! BURN THE TROLL!

I suggest that you start looking for a model-T. Since it was concidered the 1st car and since everything the came after it is just repitions of the same-old same-old. There is nothing new out there, just cheap-ass repitions of the previous designs that you are unwill/unable to accept as true progressions of development.

Rift is a progression of development? Exactly what is progressive about Rift?

- The class system is just 4 AA tables.

- The rifts are just glorifiedPQs without the story.

- The combat is duller than anything that has come before. No abilities are anything to write home about.

- The dungeons are more linear and simplistic than anything I have ever seen.

- The questing makes this game more of a platformer than an MMO.

- The world is the smallest and most compact I have seen in any MMO. Runescape is bigger...possibly.

Tell me, what is progressive about Rift? Other than how is progresses the simplistic nature of modern MMOs even further, that is.

Well I totally understand your post as it probably comes from someone whos unemployed. For those of us that actually DO work, this game is perfect! we do not have the time to play 8 - 10 hours a day.. thus we need to be able to get into instance action, be that questing/rifts/invasions/"linear dungeons"... This game really does cater to the casual population, not the "hardcore" ... you now, the hardcore that cant even get a job due to be unkept and toothless, toothless due to the amount of red bull they drink... we simply arent "that"... so yes, should you be unemployed with nothing better to do but be immersed in a world 10 hours a day, this probably isnt the best game for you... go play FF XI or better yet, Vanguard

Another reason to avoid Rift. The community is full of people like this guy.

employed, professional people? yes I do agree that's why I love the rift community :>

Your argument is very flawed because the quote you replied to is based on the fact that you completely misjudged who I was. Don't try and turn this around to make it look like you did say something correct.

I'm pretty sure there are unemployed people playing Rift, and I am also certain of the fact that there are unemployed people of more worth than very many employed people.

mmrbaisite · February 2011

As soon as the 'this game is for casual gamer' / 'this game is not for pro gamers' discussion starts, a game has proven to be shallow and of very short term fun. No questions asked. R(mt)ift does it at beta/prelaunch. Hey how is Aion doing?

Lazarus71 · February 2011

Originally posted by SnarkRitter
Man I love the nostalgia filter. Every bad gameplay design,inconvenient, outdated features and fucked up balancings just need to pass through that filter to become "deep gameplay".

This^

I have had so many discussions with some friends of mine about this same thing lol. People just can't seem to take off those rose colored glasses sometimes. I find nothing any more shallow about Rift than any MMO I have played and I have played them all (I really have, help me I think I have a problem lol) and found them all to be very similar. As you said clunky, unintuitive and grindy do not make a game deep lol. Even though I enjoyed most of them and have fond memories.

Ubel12 · February 2011

Originally posted by grenademaste

Originally posted by Krky7

I think this game can work for people who've never played an MMO, or at least, never played a fantasy MMO. But if you're even remotely an MMO veteran, I think you'll find this attempt at next-gen MMO laughable. It is a blatant WoW clone, down to sound effects and item icons. I found it utterly unplayable. There's not an original pixel in the whole game. So, if you have nothing to compare it with, you might even enjoy it for a while. But if you've ever tried LOTRO, WoW, AION, AoC, DDO or virtualy any other fantasy MMO, you will probably find them vastly superior to this poor jumble of outdated concepts.

That's how I felt in the the beta: "Kill 10 wolves" - "F*** OFF you demonic WoW-WAR-child!". =D

But i tried playing with builds more and after about lvl18ish somehow started liking the game.

Krky7, did you listen to the Sound design at all? It has amazing clarity and possibly has the best sound in any MMO I have ever had the pleasure of listening to.

VirusDancer · February 2011

Originally posted by Ubel12

...snip...

Krky7, did you listen to the Sound design at all? It has amazing clarity and possibly has the best sound in any MMO I have ever had the pleasure of listening to.

I actually have a problem with the sound engine - you hear sounds of battle that are taking place nowhere near you. It is kind of weird. You hear fighting, spin around to see it - but it is not there.

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