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  • RiftFanRiftFan Member Posts: 239

    Originally posted by Joshua69

    Originally posted by majypoo

    How on earth do you believe Rift has sold 700k copies?

    Gamebreaker T.V

    Well it is simple. GBTV did detail it, but the math does work. We know they are using state

    of the art HP Razer technology. This is a fact and was detailed.



    This is about as good as it gets when it comes to gaming servers and the stability of the

    game proves it. I predict the number each server holds is 10k and 2.5 concurrent before you

    get a full message.



    So simple math 10k x 99 = every server full. In my head it makes more sense to adjust down

    200k instead of 300k because every server has basically been sitting at Medium or higher.

    The amount of servers is almost identically proportional to the amount of registered accounts

    they announced. It is smart because I would prefer medium-full servers over half as many with

    600 person queue waits.

    I can go even deeper and make another assumption that proves 700k is more then likely right.

    Almost every gaming site I can find it rating Rift as a buy and has it sitting in a high

    8.2-9.0 range.



    Break that down to 80-90% and you get 800-900k stayed from Beta. I estimated even lower and

    said 700k. Either way if you look at it Trion is not repeating a Mythic because I heard they

    had like 134 servers for that many people.

  • majypoomajypoo Member Posts: 52

    Thats just aload of assumptions, I posted how many pre-orders Rift got nowhere near 700k, no one knows how many people are on each shard and the majority of them are now low/middle. Trion looked like they panicked when the whole forum turned into rage when they put out a few shards and the ques went crazy. If Trion believed they had 700k people they would have had way more servers up when they launched. If you believe that they have had a 70% retention rate from open beta you are delusional, we won't know until Trion releases the information, if I was Trion i'd be singing from the roof tops if I had 700k sales but they have been very quiet.

  • RiftFanRiftFan Member Posts: 239

    Originally posted by majypoo

    Thats just aload of assumptions, I posted how many pre-orders Rift got nowhere near 700k, no one knows how many people are on each shard and the majority of them are now low/middle. Trion looked like they panicked when the whole forum turned into rage when they put out a few shards and the ques went crazy. If Trion believed they had 700k people they would have had way more servers up when they launched. If you believe that they have had a 70% retention rate from open beta you are delusional, we won't know until Trion releases the information, if I was Trion i'd be singing from the roof tops if I had 700k sales but they have been very quiet.

    Every single server in NA last night was at high or full. Even the low ones were at medium

    and the Recommended were at High.



    It is 11:12AM in the MORNING and the US servers are mostly at medium. Hate all you want, but

    this game is picking up steam as more details on end game come out.



    Most 50's are sitting there say that is when the game really begins.

  • tuscaroratuscarora Member Posts: 52

    I registered 6 accounts prebeta to ensure I had a higher chance of getting in.  Many others do the same thing.  And many will not be playing the game.  The article proves nothing.  

    I learned long ago to just wait these games out a few months.  If they are worthwhile, you will know 90 days later.  Look at the hype of past games, Warhammer, DDO, STO (admittedly I still play this one, but I love the genre), Champions, Fallen Earth, LOTRO, Shadowbane, etc...  all have huge influx at the beginning, huge exodus of players within first 90 days, then they struggle or start creating F2P options to keep players.   

    Give credit where credit is due though, this game release solid.  DCUO released in a playable state as well (would have liked more end game content and more powersets).  These two games are a sign that developers are finally understanding you lose numbers by releasing too soon (warhammer and shadowbane are both good examples of this).  

    I will not be playing, but I will keep my eye on this game.  Personally, I would like to see a good MMO not in the fantasy genre.  My only hopes atm, planetside and Warhammer 40k.  

    Looking to the future.  I hope those who decide to play enjoy the game.  I also hope the game succeeds, anything that takes players from WoW on a long term basis can't be bad.

    Good luck to you all.

  • majypoomajypoo Member Posts: 52

    Originally posted by RiftFan

    Originally posted by majypoo

    Thats just aload of assumptions, I posted how many pre-orders Rift got nowhere near 700k, no one knows how many people are on each shard and the majority of them are now low/middle. Trion looked like they panicked when the whole forum turned into rage when they put out a few shards and the ques went crazy. If Trion believed they had 700k people they would have had way more servers up when they launched. If you believe that they have had a 70% retention rate from open beta you are delusional, we won't know until Trion releases the information, if I was Trion i'd be singing from the roof tops if I had 700k sales but they have been very quiet.

    Every single server in NA last night was at high or full. Even the low ones were at medium

    and the Recommended were at High.



    It is 11:12AM in the MORNING and the US servers are mostly at medium. Hate all you want, but

    this game is picking up steam as more details on end game come out.



    Most 50's are sitting there say that is when the game really begins.

    Are you just making stuff up as you go on? Rift's end game has been getting blasted for how easy it is. Alot of people I know have quit the game already because how generic and average it is. There is still many game breaking bugs that haven't been fixed either like falling through the floor, Trion must of spent most of it's budget on propoganda on sites like this making out the game is something that it isn't. Even the main gaming sites on the internet have been ignoring the Rift hype mainly because they know what it is. Most of the shards in Europe are on medium at the moment at its 5.30pm-6.30pm...

  • SandvichedSandviched Member Posts: 28

    Originally posted by majypoo

    Are you just making stuff up as you go on? Rift's end game has been getting blasted for how easy it is. Alot of people I know have quit the game already because how generic and average it is.

    Now you're just talking out of your ass, go to RIFT dungeon raids forum and read the threads there, nobody's saying  end game is easy. Only people who haven't experienced it make stuffs up based on thespeed the T1 dungeons get cleared which are cleared by hardcore raiders from other MMORPGs. Only one raid boss's been downed so far by a tester guild and they're saying that the Greenscale is not being expected to be clear for at least another month.

     

    There is still many game breaking bugs that haven't been fixed either like falling through the floor,

    The falling through the floor bug still exist in WoW, back when I was still playing it a month before Cataclysm hit. The only game breaking bug so far is the runebreaking exploit which has been fixed after a day.

     

    Trion must of spent most of it's budget on propoganda on sites like this making out the game is something that it isn't. Even the main gaming sites on the internet have been ignoring the Rift hype mainly because they know what it is. Most of the shards in Europe are on medium at the moment at its 5.30pm-6.30pm...

     

    More personal speculation. FYI most EU shards are on high or full now.

  • RiftFanRiftFan Member Posts: 239

    Originally posted by majypoo

    Are you just making stuff up as you go on? Rift's end game has been getting blasted for how easy it is. Alot of people I know have quit the game already because how generic and average it is. There is still many game breaking bugs that haven't been fixed either like falling through the floor, Trion must of spent most of it's budget on propoganda on sites like this making out the game is something that it isn't. Even the main gaming sites on the internet have been ignoring the Rift hype mainly because they know what it is. Most of the shards in Europe are on medium at the moment at its 5.30pm-6.30pm...

    Within the last two days

    March 3rd:

    COMBAT

    * Increased the damage reduction bonus to players from Toughness against Expert Dungeon and Raid mobs.

    * Increased the amount of Critical Hit bonus damage for Expert Dungeon and Raid mobs.

     

    March 4th:



    DUNGEONS AND RAIDS

    * Greenscale’s Blight: Lockout timer has been changed from 3 days to 1 week.

    * Players can no longer reset Expert or Raid instances that are locked to their party.

    * Increased the bonus granted by Hit and Focus against Expert Dungeon and Raid mobs.

    * Increased the Dodge and Resistances of Expert Dungeon and Raid mobs.

     

    Go tell your elite friends to log in now and tell me how pro they are now. This is not NCSoft that will allow exploits and bugs to exist in their end game. They are listening to player feedback.

    Falling through the floor? Find me a single post. Go ahead. If this was a major issue where is the forum qq? I am not a big fan of liars and you are bad at it.

  • DeathofsageDeathofsage Member UncommonPosts: 1,102

    It's funny because how much the server can handle doesn't matter.

    If they chose the tactic, they could easily lower the limit before "full" message. I mean, they could say a server was full at 100 people.

    Yes, this is just baseless speculation but so is just about everything else in this thread.

    Spec'ing properly is a gateway drug.
    12 Million People have been meter spammed in heroics.

  • Professor78Professor78 Member UncommonPosts: 611

    Originally posted by majypoo

    Originally posted by RiftFan


    Originally posted by majypoo

    Thats just aload of assumptions, I posted how many pre-orders Rift got nowhere near 700k, no one knows how many people are on each shard and the majority of them are now low/middle. Trion looked like they panicked when the whole forum turned into rage when they put out a few shards and the ques went crazy. If Trion believed they had 700k people they would have had way more servers up when they launched. If you believe that they have had a 70% retention rate from open beta you are delusional, we won't know until Trion releases the information, if I was Trion i'd be singing from the roof tops if I had 700k sales but they have been very quiet.

    Every single server in NA last night was at high or full. Even the low ones were at medium

    and the Recommended were at High.



    It is 11:12AM in the MORNING and the US servers are mostly at medium. Hate all you want, but

    this game is picking up steam as more details on end game come out.



    Most 50's are sitting there say that is when the game really begins.

    Are you just making stuff up as you go on? Rift's end game has been getting blasted for how easy it is. Alot of people I know have quit the game already because how generic and average it is. There is still many game breaking bugs that haven't been fixed either like falling through the floor, Trion must of spent most of it's budget on propoganda on sites like this making out the game is something that it isn't. Even the main gaming sites on the internet have been ignoring the Rift hype mainly because they know what it is. Most of the shards in Europe are on medium at the moment at its 5.30pm-6.30pm...

    Well it's not exactly game breaking bug, as it refers to 1 skill of 1 class, that happenes once every 500 uses....And there is just a single official thread with a handfull of posts about it...

    Please name something that is gamebreaking from this big long list you must have or I may have to report you for trolling.

    80% servers are full Full or high at 7pm (EU)

    Thanks.

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  • RiftFanRiftFan Member Posts: 239

    Originally posted by Professor78

    Well it's not exactly game breaking bug, as it refers to 1 skill of 1 class, that happenes once every 500 uses....And there is just a single official thread with a handfull of posts about it...

    Please name something that is gamebreaking from this big long list you must have or I may have to report you for trolling.

    80% servers are full Full or high at 7pm (EU)

    Thanks.

    They can't so they make these broad statements and use words like "everyone" and "all my

    friends" to make it sound like the game is broken and you should stay away.



    I personally hate it because they treat people like they are stupid who have not seen the 1,000

    other post about this game not having bugs.



    It takes a lot to say the game is not still getting hype. The real question should be is what

    site do you visit that does not have a Rift add or thread about Rift?



     

  • ComafComaf Member UncommonPosts: 1,150

    Originally posted by Professor78

    Originally posted by majypoo

    Originally posted by RiftFan

    Originally posted by majypoo

    Thats just aload of assumptions, I posted how many pre-orders Rift got nowhere near 700k, no one knows how many people are on each shard and the majority of them are now low/middle. Trion looked like they panicked when the whole forum turned into rage when they put out a few shards and the ques went crazy. If Trion believed they had 700k people they would have had way more servers up when they launched. If you believe that they have had a 70% retention rate from open beta you are delusional, we won't know until Trion releases the information, if I was Trion i'd be singing from the roof tops if I had 700k sales but they have been very quiet.

    Every single server in NA last night was at high or full. Even the low ones were at medium

    and the Recommended were at High.



    It is 11:12AM in the MORNING and the US servers are mostly at medium. Hate all you want, but

    this game is picking up steam as more details on end game come out.



    Most 50's are sitting there say that is when the game really begins.

    Are you just making stuff up as you go on? Rift's end game has been getting blasted for how easy it is. Alot of people I know have quit the game already because how generic and average it is. There is still many game breaking bugs that haven't been fixed either like falling through the floor, Trion must of spent most of it's budget on propoganda on sites like this making out the game is something that it isn't. Even the main gaming sites on the internet have been ignoring the Rift hype mainly because they know what it is. Most of the shards in Europe are on medium at the moment at its 5.30pm-6.30pm...

    Well it's not exactly game breaking bug, as it refers to 1 skill of 1 class, that happenes once every 500 uses....And there is just a single official thread with a handfull of posts about it...

    {mod edit}

    80% servers are full Full or high at 7pm (EU)

    Thanks.

     Wow I mean just wow.  Finally, after the Vanguard Saga of Heroes, Age of Conan, Allods (f2p but yeah was so hyped I"ll post it), Warhammer, Alganon (seriously?), debacle, do you really feel anything other than a sense of awe at what a great job Trion has done to create a functioning game that is fun?  I  haven't enjoyed a new mmorpg since Vanilla World of Warcraft when my nights were spent in huge open world pvp fights (back when wow was beautiful through simplicity and community).  Before then it was Dark Age of Camelot that blew my mind with real factions and 3 of them~ at that. And...real pvp that included objectives that were NOT about flag captures and other playground favorites.

     

    To say people are falling through the ground, or to even debate that the packed servers do not exist *you go sit in a 3.5 hour queue for Faeblight and tell me how that works for you?  And falling through the floor, I mean seriously? {mod edit}  (jk but seriously - you aren't playing this game with a clear conscience if you can say that people are just falling through the graphics and you know it.)

     

    Rifts end game blasted?  There are a handful of 50s on my server faction - okay maybe like 20 and a number of mid to high level 40s - but no sorry, I'm not reading nor hearing anything other than "this game is like crack."  Our community rocks - (Estrael) - and the game is ridiculously fun (for once!).

     

    The ONLY negatives I see in Rifts - is I am personally tired of Dark Age of Camelot raising the bar so high for 3 faction realm vs realm castle sieging - an amazing 3 realm dungeon called Darkness Falls, 1-50 in each faction without having to see a single enemy, player housing and the like...and NO one not even Rifts has emulated that level of immersion BUT - even though Rifts is doing what all the WOW + games are doing - they do a FANTASTIC job doing it.  Which I cannot claim for any mmorpg since WoW first released.  I mean everything has just been a boring or frustrating tragedy.  Rift: Planes of Telara has reaffirmated the fact that a company other than Blizzard Entertainment can have common sense and work hard to create something great in the fantasy mmorpg genre.  How refreshing.

     

    I haven't missed sleep in years in an mmorpg and my wife is pissed since headstart.  But you know what?  I'm flippen happy for once in an mmorpg - and if you knew me, and how I compare everyting to Dark Age of Camelot (highest mmorpg standard thus far), it's amazing I can actually say anything good about Rifts though I wish I could describe the game better - all I know at this point is since headstart - every day has been F U N. 

     

    Rift: Planes of Telara = F U N (in case you missed it).

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  • majypoomajypoo Member Posts: 52

    Originally posted by Professor78

    Originally posted by majypoo


    Originally posted by RiftFan


    Originally posted by majypoo

    Thats just aload of assumptions, I posted how many pre-orders Rift got nowhere near 700k, no one knows how many people are on each shard and the majority of them are now low/middle. Trion looked like they panicked when the whole forum turned into rage when they put out a few shards and the ques went crazy. If Trion believed they had 700k people they would have had way more servers up when they launched. If you believe that they have had a 70% retention rate from open beta you are delusional, we won't know until Trion releases the information, if I was Trion i'd be singing from the roof tops if I had 700k sales but they have been very quiet.

    Every single server in NA last night was at high or full. Even the low ones were at medium

    and the Recommended were at High.



    It is 11:12AM in the MORNING and the US servers are mostly at medium. Hate all you want, but

    this game is picking up steam as more details on end game come out.



    Most 50's are sitting there say that is when the game really begins.

    Are you just making stuff up as you go on? Rift's end game has been getting blasted for how easy it is. Alot of people I know have quit the game already because how generic and average it is. There is still many game breaking bugs that haven't been fixed either like falling through the floor, Trion must of spent most of it's budget on propoganda on sites like this making out the game is something that it isn't. Even the main gaming sites on the internet have been ignoring the Rift hype mainly because they know what it is. Most of the shards in Europe are on medium at the moment at its 5.30pm-6.30pm...

    Well it's not exactly game breaking bug, as it refers to 1 skill of 1 class, that happenes once every 500 uses....And there is just a single official thread with a handfull of posts about it...

    Please name something that is gamebreaking from this big long list you must have or I may have to report you for trolling.

    80% servers are full Full or high at 7pm (EU)

    Thanks.

    http://forums.riftgame.com/forumdisplay.php?64-Technical-Discussions take a pick if you like there is plenty to choose from and its about 60% actually that are high/full at peak time, http://www.riftgame.com/en/status/index.php

  • RiftFanRiftFan Member Posts: 239

    Originally posted by majypoo

    http://forums.riftgame.com/forumdisplay.php?64-Technical-Discussions take a pick if you like there is plenty to choose from and its about 60% actually that are high/full at peak time, http://www.riftgame.com/en/status/index.php

    hmmz post on a technical forum? ok I can do that too

     

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/1011701/

    http://forums.aiononline.com/na/forumdisplay.php?f=55

    http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/subindex/219?warhammer

     

    I see how you think the issue could be big, but it is not gamebreaking. Aion is probably

    the best example of gamebreaking that were never fixed.



    Things that could be gamebreaking Rift are fixed:

    1. xp exploit to get stupid high amount of xp from much higher level npc's. Those people

    between 1-3 days bans depending on how much the exploited



    2. Runecrafting exploit that could destroy the economy. Fixed the moment they found it and

    adjusted people's money and probably 1-3 day banned a few.

  • XasapisXasapis Member RarePosts: 6,337

    Peak time EU as we speak:


    • The majority of the US servers are on medium

    • 3 US servers are on high

    • 10 US servers are on low

    Looking now at EU:

    • 4 servers on full

    • 18 servers on high

    • 15 servers on medium

    • 4 servers on low

    This is for the first day of EU launch. I'd call this doing very well so far, don't know about you.


     


    As for the bugs, the only one I've bump into was some mobs that were invisible besides their name plates in an instance, fixed two or three days in the headstart. The falling through the floor comment is a fabrication.


     


    Listen, the game is far from perfect. The thing though is that by making up stuff to smear it, you discredit yourself and give more credit to those who praise it. I can think of real issues or stuff I dislike that are based on reality and not some fictional problem that you post here just to make some noise. Try doing the same please, if you actually play the game, that is.

  • DarkogieDarkogie Member Posts: 81

    "There is still many game breaking bugs that haven't been fixed either like falling through the floor"

     

    You mean like the bug thats STILL in WoWs BoT raid instance? The bug that sends you thru the world and kills you if you stand in certain places in the instance.

  • RiftFanRiftFan Member Posts: 239

    Originally posted by Xasapis

    Peak time EU as we speak:


    • The majority of the US servers are on medium

    • 3 US servers are on high

    • 10 US servers are on low

    Looking now at EU:

    • 4 servers on full

    • 18 servers on high

    • 15 servers on medium

    • 4 servers on low

    This is for the first day of EU launch. I'd call this doing very well so far, don't know about you.


     


    As for the bugs, the only one I've bump into was some mobs that were invisible besides their name plates in an instance, fixed two or three days in the headstart. The falling through the floor comment is a fabrication.


     


    Listen, the game is far from perfect. The thing though is that by making up stuff to smear it, you discredit yourself and give more credit to those who praise it. I can think of real issues or stuff I dislike that are based on reality and not some fictional problem that you post here just to make some noise. Try doing the same please, if you actually play the game, that is.

    They are also having reports of a Error 2008 for not authorized. Due to the volume the server is taking about 1-2 hours to update the account to active after the new code from the box is applied, so that is affecting server volume in EU a bit.



    EU just looks solid on that screen. If you could get the 800 people on Whitefall and Rubicon to reroll or x-fer when they allow it that place would be set.

  • majypoomajypoo Member Posts: 52

    Originally posted by RiftFan

    Originally posted by majypoo



    http://forums.riftgame.com/forumdisplay.php?64-Technical-Discussions take a pick if you like there is plenty to choose from and its about 60% actually that are high/full at peak time, http://www.riftgame.com/en/status/index.php

    hmmz post on a technical forum? ok I can do that too

     

    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/1011701/

    http://forums.aiononline.com/na/forumdisplay.php?f=55

    http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/subindex/219?warhammer

     

    I see how you think the issue could be big, but it is not gamebreaking. Aion is probably

    the best example of gamebreaking that were never fixed.



    Things that could be gamebreaking Rift are fixed:

    1. xp exploit to get stupid high amount of xp from much higher level npc's. Those people

    between 1-3 days bans depending on how much the exploited



    2. Runecrafting exploit that could destroy the economy. Fixed the moment they found it and

    adjusted people's money and probably 1-3 day banned a few.

    ROFL you was the one making out Rift is bug free.

  • SandvichedSandviched Member Posts: 28

    So we're taking the strawman approach now?

  • RiftFanRiftFan Member Posts: 239

    Originally posted by majypoo

    ROFL you was the one making out Rift is bug free.

    Well of course it is not bug free, but game breaking is the word you used. Now I do see the "qq nerf this class or I will quit" post popping up. Pretty entertaining thread on the Trion General forums if you need a laugh. The guy says nerf sabs or he is going back to WAR where the classes are balanced.

  • OrphesOrphes Member UncommonPosts: 3,039

    Originally posted by majypoo

    Originally posted by RiftFan


    Originally posted by majypoo

    Thats just aload of assumptions, I posted how many pre-orders Rift got nowhere near 700k, no one knows how many people are on each shard and the majority of them are now low/middle. Trion looked like they panicked when the whole forum turned into rage when they put out a few shards and the ques went crazy. If Trion believed they had 700k people they would have had way more servers up when they launched. If you believe that they have had a 70% retention rate from open beta you are delusional, we won't know until Trion releases the information, if I was Trion i'd be singing from the roof tops if I had 700k sales but they have been very quiet.

    Every single server in NA last night was at high or full. Even the low ones were at medium

    and the Recommended were at High.



    It is 11:12AM in the MORNING and the US servers are mostly at medium. Hate all you want, but

    this game is picking up steam as more details on end game come out.



    Most 50's are sitting there say that is when the game really begins.

    Are you just making stuff up as you go on? Rift's end game has been getting blasted for how easy it is. Alot of people I know have quit the game already because how generic and average it is. There is still many game breaking bugs that haven't been fixed either like falling through the floor, Trion must of spent most of it's budget on propoganda on sites like this making out the game is something that it isn't. Even the main gaming sites on the internet have been ignoring the Rift hype mainly because they know what it is. Most of the shards in Europe are on medium at the moment at its 5.30pm-6.30pm...

    5:30pm is not directly EU prime time, that is more likely to be around 8.00pm.

    I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
    "You have the right not to be killed"

  • MMO.MaverickMMO.Maverick Member CommonPosts: 7,619

    Originally posted by RiftFan

    My contribution to this on-going thread. We can all accept SWToR has dropped just stupid

    high amounts of money into their game. 300 MILLION by some estimates.


     

    Wrong. This rumor has already been debunked as being a blatant lie by a spiteful, vengeance seeking blogger.

    Official statements point towards the budget being more like 100million dollar, somewhat north of it but not by that much.

    I thought I'd correct that misunderstanding image

    The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's

    The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
    Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."

  • c4viper1c4viper1 Member UncommonPosts: 28

    Why is it when WOW fans get presented with Rift numbers they go like " ah 1 mil. acounts isnt the same as 1 mil. paying customers " ... and when the argument turns to the exact same thing about WOW numbers they go all technical and try to justify a rainy day ?!?!?! , by the way i LOVE WOW and RIFT ^^ / peace "!!!! for all! ^^

  • TreekodarTreekodar Member Posts: 524

    Originally posted by c4viper1

    Why is it when WOW fans get presented with Rift numbers they go like " ah 1 mil. acounts isnt the same as 1 mil. paying customers " ... and when the argument turns to the exact same thing about WOW numbers they go all technical and try to justify a rainy day ?!?!?! , by the way i LOVE WOW and RIFT ^^ / peace "!!!! for all! ^^

    Simple. What Trion said was that they had reached 1 million ACCOUNTS, whereas Blizzard reported the amount of active SUBSCRIBERS they had. Technicality? Not really.

    Eleanor Rigby.

  • c4viper1c4viper1 Member UncommonPosts: 28

    ok seriuosly now, to have an account dont we need to buy the game?? ( honest question here) and by that wouldnt the game accounts be the same as the games sold ? ... image

  • erictlewiserictlewis Member UncommonPosts: 3,022

    Originally posted by c4viper1

    ok seriuosly now, to have an account dont we need to buy the game?? ( honest question here) and by that wouldnt the game accounts be the same as the games sold ? ... image

     Lol of course.  I found out I can still use my beta account to read and actually post in the forums stil, and I have not paid them one cent.  I also know that many folks created multiple accounts in hopes of getting into beta.  Many of those recieved several vip keys on multiple accounts.

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