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A scenario for you EVE vets
testament1
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So here's the scenario: You start a fresh EVE account. You don't use any of your established contacts/corps in game....you essentially start yourselves as a complete EVE newb...what would your process be for starting from scratch?
I'm asking, because I honestly need help figuring out how to get going in EVE. Right now, I'm play Rift/WoW, but would love to play EVE as a secondary MMO.
I love the concept of EVE, but I can't wrap my tab targeting, instanced dungeon mind around the behemoth of the EVE world.
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Im new to EVE but I can tell you that if you can last the first month of learning the game you'll be hooked. EVE is like no other game I've ever played. Youve been warned though, its incredibily addictive lol
"I play Tera for the gameplay"
I'm not a super experienced player, but this is how I would go about it.
Numbero uno. Figure out what I want to do, atleast in the short term.
Let's say I want to get into combat (both PVP and PVE). I would start with the usual missions, gather up some isk while training up for larger ships. Whence you can get into a cruiser with decent skills I would start doing cosmos missions. There is a fair amount of isk in those missions and the all important corp and faction standings.
The next step would be to try and find a nice corp to join, preferably a corp with a couple of older players who enjoy taking care of newbs, it's worth gold!
This, to me, is a standard starting procedure. But as I said, I'm not the most experienced eve player out there.
My advice would be to bring up the career helper menu and do EACH of the careers from start to finish. This will give you a good foothold as far as money and ships go (you'll even get some duplicates), and teach you what core skills are important to each activity. Beyond that, focus on your core skills first. The skills that work across multiple ships/playstyles for whatever race you choose. Engineering, electronics, and shield/armor/structure/speed tanking.
If you're planning on going towards industrial or crafting, get yourself into a corp asap, because you'll need the protection. Start with mining around the high security areas to get yourself used to the routine of mining with the targeting and hotkeys and such. Make sure that even as you mine, you keep some form of light defense such as drones or a single offensive turret to fend off belt pirates that will occasionally show up and start harassing you.
I can't stress enough how important the tutorial missions are in getting a head start, so make sure you run all of them.
Huh..starting from scratch.
I'd bumrush my char towards the drake, making money as I go running missions. As soon as I have a passive tanked drake, I'd start running lvl3 missions, getting trade skills up. As soon as I have a few million in the bank again, I start trading, buying things like salvage parts around mission hubs. All isk generated via missions goes straight into trading.
After reaching around 50-100m, it's time to skill up an industrial..probably a mammoth. Then I'd start to skim the market for PI stuff, comparing jita to different regions, all while running missions to generate capital for trading.
Alternatively, I'd skip all that and join a good 0.0 corp.
THIS. This is a good way to develop a hybrid mission/trade character. It allows you to easily replenish your wallet through missioning, and make huge profit via trading. But i warn you again, you'll probably be really bored by PVE content... I was a carebear, and finally i'm in a null-sec corp, because it's more thrilling to go pvp
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I'd abandon missionrunning as soon as there's enough capital for trading. It's just to kickstart trading, not to be a sustainable income source.
We're allowed to use all our game knowledge and experience though, right? We should perhaps allow a week's training to simulate the time a genuinely new player should spend working through the tutorials.
I'd probably start off as a Minmatar, and train up some navigation skills, minmatar frigate and salvaging, and ninja salvage PvP wrecks, especially T2. Intact Armour Plates are worth over 30 mill each. A t1-fitted salvage Vigil costs about 300k. Scoring just one or two of those a day is a good income for a few day old player. As my support and gunnery skills improved, I'd also start looking to do 1/10 and 2/10 plexes as well, for the Gistii mods (deadspace small shield boosters, ABs and MWDs are extremely valuable).
Once I'd accumulated a decent pile of cash and a couple of million SP I'd consider joining the Faction Warfare NPC corp. This would give me access to the Faction Warfare missions in lo-sec, which are an ISK-printer. It would also give me acces to some PvP and a chance to make those all-important contacts in the more experienced community.
From there, it would depend on those contacts, to be honest. PvP corps are always on the lookout for active players who want to actually fight. This is much more important than how many SP you have. As a relatively new player, I'd be mostly tackling and baiting (ie: dying a lot), plus maybe scouting too. An obvious training path would be covops ships, along with probing skills - There are never ever too many good probers in a fleet. I could also pick up some missile skills to make myself into a stealth bomber pilot, combining scouting utlity with supplementary DPS.
After that, well, it would depend on what kind of corp I was in and what kind of operations we did. I'd train to be able to fit in to the everyday fleets and worry about the niche stuff later.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
well, its almost impossible for a VET to NOT use his contacts, not use his resources and not use his knowledge of eve. So any answer you get to your question is never going to be in the correct context.
So, my advice can only be drawn from how I started playing Eve, which.. I dont think would be any different now. My personallity is still the same and I would most likley do the same things in the correct way and make the same errors.
Its really hard with Eve because, and this is going to sound like a cliché, but its not about the game but about the people you encounter.
Im a people person, when I started Eve I chatted, started off by asking questions of course and those people kind enough to reply and took the time to converse to me properly, like a person (and not a noob) where people I liked. So I started asking where people were from, how long they played eve for etc. Invariably we joked, loled and just had a laugh.
Since I enjoyed chatting and people seemed to enjoy my conversation I made a lot of freinds, freinds (or contacts) I still know today. Really, its those friends who gave me the biggest 'leg-up' in Eve and I couldnt wait to come home from work to get stuck in and see what people were up to.
The single and only thing which I did wrong, that I would change, was to take so long about joining a corp. But dont get me wrong. I stayed in the 'noob' corp for about 3 months and I think that was the correct thing to do!! (You can never go back to that first corp) Joining a player corp too early can devestate your Eve enjoyment. My mistake was leaving the corp joinining part for about 6 months + I got bored of eve, and it wasnt until one day I took the plunge with a "what have I got to lose?" attitude and the whole thing was just a completly new experience that I wished I had done eariler.
So I cant really tell you what to do, but 'try to be sociable' if your not a socialble person then you simply MUST play eve with existing friends. Its not like Rift and Wow, you cant keep your head down and do your own thing, well you CAN, but honestly unless your a particular type of person you'll get bored of that.
Fly safe.
Eh.
I'm not a sociable person at all. And I managed to talk myself into an awesome corp that takes me back from every break I take.
So if I manage to get along fine, others really shouldn't have any problems..
I'll had something: if you're going to be a carebear (just missioning, and not planning to go for pvp), you should train tank skills too, according to your race (amarr/gallente=>armor || caldari=>shield || minmattar=>both, depending of ships).
I'm not totally agreeing for the "do not crosstrain" advices, because of the "first year statement".
I am a minmattar pilote, so i begun training for minmatar frigs and cruisers... Then i played with an amarr friend in amarr regions, and when you have the choice to stick with your skills and pay five times the price for equivalent class-ships, switching races is an easy decision... So i begun training Amarr, from frigs to BSs. Then we joined a gallente corporation, and i had to train for gallente ships, because the corp was giving them for free
So gallente frigs to BSs again. Then the corp moved to 0.0, and we took part in an alliance... Which asked us to pilote shield tanked BCs... So i trained for a Drake (yeah, i could have used a Hurricane, i know 
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At the end of my first year, I was able to fly anything from frigs to BSs, from any races, with a T2 fit, except BS Large weapons, and i had really good armor and shield tanking skills (who's crazy enough to hull tank?
, and drone T2 too. I was able to pilote Gallente en Caldari strategic cruisers too, and most of small and medium advanced ships...
IMHO, to not crosstrain is a good advice, but when you finally have all your race skills (standard ships, weapons and tank) maxed, or at least LV4, it's time to run around other races.
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buy a GTC and reedem 2xPlex, sell 1 plex buy implants, pay isk for a jump clone service, train for a drake and make some missions in empire, park the clone whit implants and drake in empire go low sec and then try to join a 00 recruitment corp or any pet corps in 00 and then try to get in a real good corp usually your recruiment corp or pet corp will work for them
if got time and no job play when other ppl dont play lower the risk of getting ganked in low sec and after you join a 00 corp you can rat whit a lower risk of surprise pvp
last train skills for fleet sniper maelstrom
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"Do not crosstrain" doesn't really hold water, even in the short term.
As an example, unless you want to train an industrial to V, skilling for a mammoth will yield a very good industrial with minimum skill investment. In fact, it is the perfect industrial if you do not plan to use either t2 industrials or train gallente industrial to V.
For pve, the drake is a perfect tradeoff between skills invested and survivability and killspeed.
You can cherry pick the best ships for the low sp bracket very easily. I could use three races' cruisers including all t2 variants and command ships before I could fly bs, simply because I crosstrained to whatever I needed. It paid off, but only because I picked new races only as a supplement. (e.g.: after I had solid support skills for shields and hybrids, i crosstrained to gallente with armor tanking being the only new skill tree. When I had the skills for logistics, I crosstrained for guardian which didn't need new support skills. From there, I skilled up lasers, then branched out to minmatar for the scimitar, etc.)
What Bartho said. Cross-training is fine, but make sure you can fly the ship you're currently training properly before you start training for the next.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
Of course your a sociable person since you made the effort to join a corp, and if you were able to 'talk your way in' (which suggests that you feel you couldnt otherwise have got in) then you have social etiquette and understanding.
What Im getting at is that if you have to WANT to play with other people who are new to your social pattern.
Is it my corp or do alot of people just sit around and chat on vent in EVE? Last night I had to log off vent because I couldnt handle listening to the nerd vets in vent chatting away anymore...Theres a good possibility that EVE may be abit too "social" for my taste. Fortionately I have a real life and can't be bothered to spend hours on end chatting it up in vent each night.
"I play Tera for the gameplay"
Most corps configure their Vent with more than 1 channel. Usually chatting is discouraged in active fleet channels. I dont see what's wrong with casual conversation amongst people who are ratting or mining.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
Eve is one of those games that you can't just walk away from, as a friend said to me, it either takes your full attention, or, you quit.
If your gone even 1 week, many corp mates will be on your butt asking where you've been, or, you may have missed one of the most epic pvp battles of all time, let alone maybe the most recent corp raid, its a serious game that can take its toll on anyone.
I should know, after all, I've been an avid player for 7 long years, but, the last year, all I've done is log in and queued up skills, as real life issues have taken me away from the game.
Be Forewarned, its a very, very, good game, with lots of avenues open to a person, but, be prepared to be glued to your chair 23/7 a week
Honestly, if I was coming to EVE as a brand new player, I'm not sure if I would even try to play. The depth and breadth of EVE is huge and imposing. Even as a vet, there's still so much I don't know.
That being said it's still the most rewarding MMO I have ever played and I've been at it since 2004. I have taken many small and a few not so small breaks but I always come back.
I have to second the idea that you should try ALL the career tutorials to give you an idea of what path you want to take. Once you decide, do your best to specialize in that area as being able to fully exploit whatever playstyle you wish to pursue will take a while (skill training wise.)
And I'm sure you've heard this one many times. Find a good corp and join up. EVE is barely adequate if you look at it from a purely solo PVE perspective (my opinion) but it becomes exponentially better when you start doing group activities whether it be PVE or PVP.
I would start off with a Frig, and run around looking for DED 1/10, and 2/10 complex's. This would make the initial isk, while I trained for a Drake, and probing skills. Once I had the drake with minimal skills, I would start looking for probed down DED 3/10 and 4/10 plex's in high sec (Doing the other sites and escalations along the way). A few good days and you have your first bil. And you only need a character that is about a month old. I would continue this till I had skills for a nice T2 fitted Drake (With proper support skills for it), and start making short trips into WH space while looking for good Complex's. This should make you enough cash to be able to buy plex's for the long term, and support an alt, who you train for Covert Ops, possibly an orca.
From there, you do whatever you want. You don't have to rely on anyone else. You have your income stream down, you have your base skills trained up (Hopefully). From there you go wherever you want. Join a corp doing whatever you think you want to do. Be it more exploreing and WH running, PvP, 0.0 life, whatever you prefer.
- Ice_Hole
I didn't read any of the replies to this thread. I'm only replying to the OP.
What I would do is go from career to career, and the very first career I'd pick is as a buy low / sell high trader. I'd get good at trading, then I'd make a ton of isk trading. Then I'd pick a new career, and start my character training for that new career. In the meantime, I'd buy another character and start that 2nd character down a 2nd career.
Continue until you find your place in eve.
You cant really advise a new player to get into market trading
To profit in any small way on the market you need a good sum or ISK in the first place, a new player is just not going to have nearly enough ISK, and when they do start speculating all their profits could be wiped out with one wrong move.
Youd be better off mining than market trading tbh.
Agreeing with sadeyx. Trading is a risky activity, you shouldn't recommend that to new players. Of course it could ve very profitable, but they could lose everything, which will not make them continue playing... You should send them to missionning mining.
Trading is a good starter activity, but only if you have some potential backup or friends who could eventually help you...
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Buying up salvage parts below jita buyorder prices is about as risky as flying a buffer tanked battleship through highsec.
Even comparing PI material prices is a risk free activity.
Margin trading is so popular because the risk is low and the profits are steady. It's the ideal activity to grow money that would otherwise be completely unproductive.
The low risk factor depends of how much profit you want to earn...
But for example, i just started trading 2 weeks ago, and with just a few trade-related skills, i was able to make 50M into 1,7B... But, due to some (a lot of small) loses, it's much more like a 800M into 1,7B coefficient...
The higher the risks, the higher the profits. But you'll need to have a really deep knowledge of the IG-market mechanism if you want to do so, and minimize the risks...
If you don't want to trade yourself, but still want to invest your money in something, there are some trader corps which allow external player investmemnt, and give you back a weekly/monthly percentage... Kind of risky too, since you have to entrust your ISKs to another entitie, but still less risky than doing it yourself. Bad point, is less profits, again...
Since i don't have the link for the corp i was remembering on my workstation, and don't remember the corp name, i'll post back later. At the moment, that's the best trader service i remember seeing, after comparison with a almost all of the avalaible ones.
The corp i'm thinking about, offers at least a guaranteed 5% weekly benefit, and adds a bonus in case of increased profits. They accept investment between 10M and 1B. Which mean you'll have at least 500k isk a week, and a maximum guaranteed payout of 50M. Biggest payout i received was 250M, starting with a 780M deposit. Sounds interestings?
But you'll have to be carefull... Most of these traders corp are in fact huge scam forces, so you'd better check about their reputation first.
[E] added some precisions, spelling and grammar checking.
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Look, no doubt there is money to be made and trading is a worth while endeavor.
To suggest they go head first into trading and buying a second account, in my opinion, is premature. There are a lot of mistakes to be made on the market if you've not been playing eve for long. Lots of Scams and distortions, even figuring out how buy orders and sell orders work can be confusing.
If you suggest they do trading then I can just see them sailing off into a low sec system, which is fine, but if he doesnt understand some of the low-sec survival stuff like align time, safe spotting, scouting, local intel then he's gona get destroyed.
Let the player PLAY eve first, get used to the market, do some missions, learn the basics of combat, and get used to buying and selling loot, salvage and harvest first.