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Neocron "2" release a failure
So, neocron 2 international release came and went, the features that were promised to come with it - didnt appear
Nidhogg's blathering about the two NC2 reviews being crap because they werent based on "international release" was shown to be exactly that it appeared to be - a deluded KK fanbot, making up nonsense.
More players have left since NC2 release, than have joined, and international(european) release doesnt seem to have helped. It's gotten so bad, that Nidhogg has to lock legitimate threads because they show NC2's terrible state for new players, as well as banning the threadstarter(me) for "trolling".
3 friends and myself, bored of WoW, were giving the 10day trial a go, they all suffered from the same bugs as from NC1, right from the outset and all stopped within an hour or two.
Grats KK, you took a great game and completely ruined it, and even most(sane) KK staff wholeheartedly agree.
Little to no new content since release, few bugfixes, hacknet still useless, and the only excuse "we are working on asian release" followed by "we are working on international release".
Tell me, is there anyone who doesnt believe that NC would be in a better state if BDOY was just the free expansion pack promised?
Not only would the game not have lost half its playerbase to C2P and requiring money to "upgrade", many old players would have come back to try the free expansion pack.
We also would have had much much more content and bugfixes, instead of so much time going into shitty PR stunts that achieve nothing, other than disillusioning even more players.
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http://neocron.jafc.de/showthread.php?t=125282 < link to thread(Nidhogg decided that despite the fact I never played NC2(except for 2 mins during beta with a capped char), nor had I ever had an active NC2 account, my experience starting off from scratch with a trial account didnt make me a newbie, so he changed the thread topic)
Nidhogg's mail:
I think we can really do without you deciding to return to the forums to stir up trouble on the weekend of our release. Your thread was designed to attract newbies checking the place out and is trolling at its purest because it's based on false statements. Your account has been finally and permanently banned.
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^^Of course I challenged him to show what was false, incorrect or not factual about my statements, but I dont think he'll ever reply.
I thought the international release hadn't happened yet. You can't get a boxed copy of the game anywhere.
I thought they were delaying it??
A good wife deserves more than half the praise, just as a bad one deserves more than half the blame. - Tacitus
It "launched" last week in the EU(only confirmed in the UK so far), most shops dont have it, and those that do generally only have 1 copy on the shelves.
Aww, and nidhogg moved the thread
Spends his whole day checking sites like this.
Ya, the EU-version was released, and I've heard its hard to track down.. A lot of suppliers are leary about holding due to the *NOT* so great sales of NC1.
Unfortunately, NC2 will be in the bargin bin way before the *PROMISED* features will be released.
As for the author of this thread, I honestly feel your pain and know your complaint, along of MANY others. KK for the longest time rode it as a FREE expansion, and pushed it off and pushed it off.. And to end up with a bug-ridden NC2:Bugs of York.
As for Nid locking threads.. not much that can be done. It is KK's forums, and they can police it and ammend the rules as they feel fit, which they do. They did they same stuff, when they announced NC2 was coming, and there was no expansion pack at all. But, that was almost an entire revolt of the community against KK which made KK look just as badin the end.
Need not worry.. KK and NC2 has made complete fools out of themselves to the gaming community, and the magazines are an accurate review to what BOY (bugs of york) has to offer and not offer.
KK = Die Die Die
Neocron = Rest In Peace (or pieces, depending on how you look at it.)
Yes, I received your email:
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Has becoming officially KK turned you into some kind of super retarded kk fanbot?
You are free to point out anything in my thread that was incorrect, not factual, or logical - but you wont, because you're an idiot.
Oh well, time to post around about how poor NC2 is, that the admin has to ban legitimate threads, purely because they dont tie in with his deluded "NEOCRON 2 IS PERFECT" mindset.
Ta ta loser.
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I thought my reply was quite restrained considering the tone of your request, and I also note that you didn't bother to post it. Your ban came after not one, not two, but eighty-two separate breaches of the forum rules (not including the thread in question here).
Also, it's perfectly clear from your email that it was solely your intention to rubbish the game for a bit of "fun" (even though you yourself played it for almost a year) making the ban perfectly justified.
Here you are doing it again. I take it as a compliment that you feel so strongly about us after all this time.
For everyone else, I've said it before on this forum and I'll say it again, download the trial and see what the game's like for yourself before putting any store in threads like these. Don't take my word for it and don't take Celt's (or anyone else's) - make up your own mind.
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I think to be honest Nid virtually everybody who looks at this Neocron forum has played the game before so I doubt it'd make any impact.
A good wife deserves more than half the praise, just as a bad one deserves more than half the blame. - Tacitus
Your right, most of the people who do come here has played NC at one point of time or another.
People enquiring about the game will look to reviews, before asking in open forum about a game. The reviews on this site, along with many others, along with magazines will paint the picture for any users curious to know about it (or any game).
No matter how much they say that magazine reviews were unfair to the game, the truth of the matter is that they've been reviewing games a lot longer than Neocron has been around, and they know what to look for (the) average gamer in general.
Naturally every reviewer is going to approach a game in a different way but you would expect that given the same review criteria the various scores will largely be within a particular grouping (obviously accounting for outliers). What concerns me particularly about the PC Zone review is the incredible difference between the scores for Neocron 1 and 2.
Neocron 2 is merely an expansion pack to Neocron 1, however it is not necessary to own Neocron 1 in order to play the expansion which is why it was titled "Neocron 2" - whilst it's still an expansion it has no pre-requisites.
PC Zone awarded Neocron 1 a score of 85% which we were naturally pleased with. PC GAMER awarded us 81% and we received a number of other reviews in the mid 80's range. The problem I have is understanding how an 85% rated game becomes a 24% percent rated game simply because new content and a new graphics engine has been added. It's clear from the review that the author took serious issue to our community and it's a fair statement that our game is aimed at hard core gamers, but a 10 day slice of the community does not the game make.
This is why you should make your minds up for yourselves. Games reviews are subjective at best but the industry still has no real way to fairly and effectively measure an MMORPG, especially one as unique as Neocron.
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Nid I have to say that in my opinion NC2 is an inferior game to NC1, however I would say that 24% is exceptionally harsh, even in Beta I'd have given it 60-ish. It will partially be down to the new graphics which I felt lost alot of the 'feel' of the original (remember that alot of NC1's appeal was that it was "Deus Ex Online"), and lets face it a sizeable chunk of the community can be a total bunch of assholes at times the game has always needed a far better Law system that Soul-Light because the almost complete absence of law totally trashed the cyberpunk concept and made the game a griefer's paradise. As for the game being aimed at 'hardcore gamers' I'd have to say no, the hardcore gamers play things like Everquest for, random pking doesn't make a game hardcore - it makes it an acquired taste and a taste that very, very few people have.
A good wife deserves more than half the praise, just as a bad one deserves more than half the blame. - Tacitus
Neocron will never be good, it will only be a bunch of fanboy mods saying that "______ is going to fix everything!"
_______ being whatever load of bullshit they can come up with....such as the next patch, DoY, BDoY, NC2, nc2 international release, etc. they've used up quite a few, its astonishing that people still believe the next big kk hoax will actually change anything. So now that the NC2 international launch is complete and everything is the same, what will be the next thing KK will use as the "coming saviour of neocron"? We will have to wait and see..
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Originally posted by StanLee2
I have to weigh in also. Neocrap 1 and 2 are both terrible.
As an MMORPG game designer (wont say for whom) this should never have been taken out of alpha.
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"Nidhogg - Master of the fallacies!"
So many holes in your argument nid, for one:
The fact i was offline until now, instead you presume I was online but chose not to respond.
Or: Because you later decided an e-mail I sent after I was banned, indicated I was determined to troll, makes the banning before the e-mail justified(btw, nothing in my e-mail said I was trolling on the forums or the thread, just that I would now (happily) post the truth about NC2 on several forums and trash it(deservedly)).
"I didn't need to go beyond the first line - " So, since international
release happened, and Nidhogg was so adamant this would fix everything, and
add all the new content promised..." You find the post where I said that
and I'll lift your ban."
You didnt say it in one post, it's an amalgamation of posts over the last several months, including posts in the review threads, posts about patch 131, about item tracking & the new newbie experience.
Your whole argument for banning me is "You were trolling", but the only evidence you give is "Because I said so, and I decided an e-mail you sent said the same thing".
You are free to look up what trial account my forum account was tied to, check its history & access logs, but of course you wont as it will prove I am right.
(Not that anyone needs proof that FRE's and synch bugs are common)
How about your nice post saying that since I had only posted a few times in the last 6 months, my posting to Community talk on the weekend of international release just had to be a troll, despite my saying it was international release which made me try the trial.
Nor did your post address the fact the forum wouldnt let me post on community talk english until I had tied an NC2 account into it(easily verifiable, search my posts and see for yourself, last post in protected forums before NC2 trial was 03/11/04, after that NC2's system came in and locked me out).
Your arguments are so completely wrong, it would be laughable if it wasnt obvious you were in earnest.
I absolutely love this game
Don't get me wrong, I hate KK and how they've really fucked up Neocron's potential to be an awesome game, but for my first real MMO, it's got so much potential to be a great game in a world of a million and one fantasy mmo's.
I post daily on the official forums, I've been banned multiple times for simply speaking the truth and quoting Nidhogg and KK on their BULLSHIT. I feel like I am paying for them to just fuck me in the ass every month, and if I can manage to get a few minutes of enjoyment out of the game while I'm being rammed by KK's giant dildo all the much better
International Release was an immense failure. After they were delayed ALMOST TWO FULL MONTHS of their "release date" (they said it'd be released quarter 1 2005, March 25 was the last day of quarter 1, and no release...), they gave us a patch to add the newbie shit (which was nice) and some half ass high level content (still no Wisdom of Ceres other than the damn crossbow). Of course this patch that we waited 4 months for, was broken to all hell which needed another patch before International Release, just to fix it. I.R. comes around and look, no new patch with the content promised.
And I know Nidhogg reads this forum, so ban this bitch, you got no power here
Very grown up.
Are we sure that Nidhogg the KK customer service guy is the same Nidhogg as who was the mod???
The new Nid is much more offensive and egiotistical than the old Nid so I figured it must be a KK employee now.
A good wife deserves more than half the praise, just as a bad one deserves more than half the blame. - Tacitus
Very grown up.
Are we sure that Nidhogg the KK customer service guy is the same Nidhogg as who was the mod???
The new Nid is much more offensive and egiotistical than the old Nid so I figured it must be a KK employee now.
Well, he speaks in the same tone as the "real" Nidhogg
And yes, I consider myself very grown up thank you very much. Just because some people like the iron toed dictatorship of the KK forums doesn't mean I do. I for one am fucking tired of being banned or edited or having locked threads for simply calling them out on their lies and bullshit
The guy's named after a corpse-eating demon from Norse mythology. How many people would want that as their nick? Probably the same person.
Maybe but I don't see how his behaving in the manner he is now will do anything more than make the situation worse. Going nuts at anybody who dares to criticise KK just provokes arguments, makes KK look fantastically unprofessional and makes the atmosphere on the boards even worse.
I preferred mod Nid.
A good wife deserves more than half the praise, just as a bad one deserves more than half the blame. - Tacitus
I enjoyed Neocron in college. Now that I have more time on my hand I wanted to try out NC2. Sorry to hear all the bad news from everyone.
You reap what you sow.
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Looking forward (cautiously) to: Age of Conan, Dark Solstice, Armada Online.
Will soon try: Guild Wars
Overall: Amazed and bewhildered at the current sad state of the artform of gaming.
I played Neocron for around a year, and agree with everything here, game with huge potential ruind only by the dumbass game staff.
The first thing you have to know before you play is ignore anything and everything that comes out of any of the staff, especially Nidhoggs mouth, He talks alot of bullshit on a daily basis, and if you question him you get banned on the spot.
The Neocron 2 upgrade killed the game for sure, it made a badly made game a whole lot worse, and to make it even more worse it started off using a porn site payment system, i am not sure if they have alternatives now but it wasnt only that that was bad, it was EXTREMELEY insecure, I would never trust my card with these people.
Anyway I would advise against ever touching neocron again, even if you playe dit and liked it before like me.. as now they have officially screwed it and are every day trying to cover theior ass.. and yes i believe it did deseve the 25% review rating if not less. it has got worse, and to call it an update is insulting.
if KK had of decided to sort out NC1 before releasing a poor rehash of the old game but with less fun involved they might of been in a better position now.
you can say nc now is for hardcore gamers but imo thats rubbish.
back early retail all the servers were full(nc1 retail that is) and that was with red sl pkers, item drops and other fun things that were pre patch 160.
yet patch by patch kk kept taking the fun out of the game that by end of NC1 retail coupled with the endless cockups(see end of NC1 saturn retail for that one)very few people were playing, NC2 arrived a fuck all of the people i played with made it.
when you take a clan like cartel and concider the size and then come NC2 you see that there is maybe 3 people from that clan playing, or take FLR only 1 of them made it, 101st only 4 or so made it.
yet KK still carry on fucking around.
people didnt want NC2 they wanted a Neocron that worked the way it should of done.
i came back to NC2 a few times yet like the guys i played in followers of crahn with, they were all saying what a peice of junk the game was, now we were all people who loved NC1 and had so much fun, and would of continued to do so, if KK had fixed problems instead of making a half baked expansion.
time and time i came backk to check out NC2(to the mocks of Zoneseek and others)but you know what they are right.
even as much as the recent patch shows as much, stealth back in the hands of PEs, stupid things like that and continuing to have para in the game.
ppus still fucking up the game play, i know of no other game off top of my head where the healer class is so god like.
kk should of balanced hybrids instead of creating two new classes that even after 2years they still havnt balanced.
only a miricale will get be back playing NC now, ive deleted it off my system along with pretty much anything else i had to do with the game.
and as for the forums theres only so long that you can say that there is multiple sections and that it is still busy as ever cos thats crap, the forum is slowly dying, fewer people posting, very few of them care it seems.
you have lost pretty much all the people in the community who actually done things.
and it did seem funny when you critisized those reviews saying they havnt tested the inter release, yet it is basically the same and tthere reviews stand as true.
hesnot wrong about the community, but thats been in decline for long time, lotta good people left, now you basically got the worst of the lot, with the exception of a few.
and im not just talking about the stuff that goes on the trade channel, few people help noobs, but then most of the vets who used to help have all beeen driven away.
you could take it as a compliment that people despite not playing still feel so strong about the game, but you shouldnt do, its a failure that you were not able to hold on to the peple who loved the game.
well no empty promises of "such and such will make the game better" or "the next patch will have great stuff init"
only thing that would get me back is actual results in the game(and perhaps some changes to hybrid via the execution of apus and ppus
)
Stop complaining Celtor, I trialed the game and never found any bugs nor errors in the game, it was fun and enjoyable, I switched to SWG because I found Neocron didn't have any interesting professions like in SWG, you can train for Jedi, but in Neocron, only ? (cant remember number of prof) prof and in SWG you can place your house nearly anywhere you can place it or in a Building area, and in Neocron, you have to go in this ONE down that your are spawned after you exit your apartment in the beginning of the game when you first spawn.Please do not post about perspective crap telling me something is better when a group of adults created a crap game that I played and said its crap, I dont know the contents that were suppose to be included but with my comp, it was one of My Top MMORPG other than SWG (Star Wars Galaxies).I might have played WOW and stopped playing it but I had to try it since it looked cool
How???????
A good wife deserves more than half the praise, just as a bad one deserves more than half the blame. - Tacitus
dude, I just didn't, I believe in my theory that sometimes your lag/ping might cause if you are doing a mission to make the objective disappear, my theory isn't proven but in SWG, I feel it is a fact since I hear people complain that they do a specific mission and the objective dissapear, the two games (SWG and Neocron2) might have already proven my theory as fact but I dont know,