obeloviper95 He would probably be happy if it looked more WoW-like, but I guess then he'd complain about that too. I guess this game will always attract some degree of negativity and its fair share of people who hope it'll fail... doom prophets. Maybe the ones who never have a good word to say about SWTOR should just quit posting, find something else to do/read or go back to WoW. Boredom probably plays a major role.
Jedi and sith have always used armor when it was needed or just if they wanted to...
so get over it...
did you just link a sith in sith armor and said "they allways use armor" as argument?
sith ain't about style and fashion, sith are about looking badass. you will NEVER see a sith in a sissie armor worn by some jedi or other brightcolor loving weirdo :>
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
I know this concept is radical and will blow people's minds away .. but how about they add the appeareance sockets to armor,so you can look the way you want and retain UBARSTATZ!
... geez ,really ,I should get hired over the monkeys working on most games .. sheesh ,use your effin brain.
If you not like the game and how things will work in SWTOR why wine about a jedi can equipt a tropper armor the stats on that armor will not benefit jedi mutch.
its like to tink a warrior in WOW equipt a mage robe to get more stamina he perhaps look cool in the dress but he will not funktion as the role he have as warrior in his fancy dress.
So pleace spare us the funny remarks and the game at pax is not the final game and lots of changes can still be maid, other wise we should have a relese date already for the game.
Nice OP Michael ! Players look at this subject from a Subjective view. All the way from "don't care" to venomous vanity. One of the more reasonable attitudes is the breaking of immersion from visual aspects (In Star Trek Online u can see the USS Sillybunniy). Another is, what to you, is so cool looking but lacks the stats and vice versus. Immersion is also important to SWtOR, primarily from the basic Star Wars fanbase which will comprise the majority of the launch players. Other people will also start playing with no real idea about lore or an "iconic" look and Bioware wants to bring them into immersion as quickly as possibility. Also customization (choice) is highly important for almost any MMO on the market. Not all of these concepts are compatible (one mans trash is another man's treasure).
Biowar looks at this OP from a different viewpoint. Bioware see this situation from the Objective point of view. They will produce the result most pleasing to the majority of players because they are a business and absolutely need players to buy and continue to (play - and pay) for as long as possible. If they fail then they are out of a job and the game spirals downward. Compromise is usually the result and Bioware seems to have decided to put enough into this game to try to balance out the more incompatible features from the players viewpoints.
Allowing a color change is one obvious compromise. Allowing cross class armor to a limited extent is balanced by the lower abilities scores when doing so. More compromise. Try to make as many people happy as possible. Not the 'best' of both worlds but hopefully acceptable to both 'sides'. Add in other stuff that both like and mabey you get a successful game that players enjoy and makes money to keep it going.
BTW - The repeated complaints about development time are an indication of expectations. A dangerous subject being the main focus of a Marketing department. I have played games such as Champions and Star Trek Online which both failed badly on launch content. I dropped Champions (which went F2P) but still play STO as they made a desperate rush to add content, more or less successfully I think. Bioware is plainly not going to allow that to happen here and I am glad of that. At age 65 (gamer since 1976) I have learned about patience but really do want to play before I croak!
Jedi and sith have always used armor when it was needed or just if they wanted to...
so get over it...
did you just link a sith in sith armor and said "they allways use armor" as argument?
sith ain't about style and fashion, sith are about looking badass. you will NEVER see a sith in a sissie armor worn by some jedi or other brightcolor loving weirdo :>
I said always when NEEDED...
and by going right to the top, Vader wore armor always, and many others did at times too, that all im saying.... it should be a choice for everyone to make on there own...
I got excited until they said not to worry, then I felt let down. If luke wanted to wear trooper armor, he could have. People are sweating this "iconic" crap too much already... to the point of causing character customization issues.
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So why allow them to wear the other armors, if it just gimps you. Useless game mechanic ftw
Maybe you will have no choice and wearing what you can pick up is better than nothing. Tends towards some interesting quest scenarios.
Seriously i dont understand why people complain about this...
Like when u go out and buy a coat how often do u get home and are like "damn, its a Heavy Coat and im only able to wear Medium Coats."
Being able to wear anything is a little slice of reality... how it encumbers u or makes u unable to do, is somthing totally diffrent...
I largely agree with the first part. For the second part, I agree with the empirical statement, but in practice I feel that certain pieces should be versatile in their crossover capabilities.
The game must be bug free if beta testers are finding enough time to complain about inane shit like "not iconic enuff herp deerp a derp!"
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I think you are all getting off too pre-mature on this. I believe you are trying to make a big deal (Possibly, negative publicity...) of something that can and does exist in any mmo to date.
In WoW for example, I am a pally...I wear plate. I can also wear cloth, leather, and mail...do I? Never! I am not one of "them special players" he describes, who will def. not be in any of my groups.
Once again I think you are trying to start a pitchfork/torch party. I won't say why you are attempting this...but I will say that this is not really story worthy. You never did this for any other mmo...just saying.
"The King and the Pawn return to the same box at the end of the game"
Why does any game nowadays not have an appearance tab?
One of life's great mysteries indeed! Though I can see how this could be a problem for games that heavily focus on PvP and rely on silhouettes for players to be able to identify specific classes in battle. But yes, in most cases it would appear to make sense to have an appearance tab and it is truly a wonder to me why most games don't have them.
An appearance tab is a bad solution to the problem of customizability, a better way is to let crafters retrofit or re-craft gear as a part of the crafting content, bound items can be hold in a crafting window similar to a trade window if they are "no-trade".
luke wore a stormtrooper outfit in a new hope. No issue here.
Luke wasn't a Jedi either.
Yeah, then he became a Jedi and un-learned how to wear that armor. In other words, do you have a valid point?
He didn't need that armor. Also heavy armor restricts movement. "But... But they wear heavy robes/cloaks." And they also take those off when they are about to fight. When they do take the robe off they know its gonna be a tough fight.
I'll give you this. Unless a Jedi is gonna go into an all out war (all those pics you see of a Jedi wearing armor), they won't be walking around in armor.
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True, some will never be happy.
Or they just want to troll, troll, troll.
did you just link a sith in sith armor and said "they allways use armor" as argument?
sith ain't about style and fashion, sith are about looking badass. you will NEVER see a sith in a sissie armor worn by some jedi or other brightcolor loving weirdo :>
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
I know this concept is radical and will blow people's minds away .. but how about they add the appeareance sockets to armor,so you can look the way you want and retain UBARSTATZ!
... geez ,really ,I should get hired over the monkeys working on most games .. sheesh ,use your effin brain.
Stop feeding the troll! :-)
When the war of the beasts brings about the worlds end,
the goddess descends from the sky, wings of light and dark spread afar.
If you not like the game and how things will work in SWTOR why wine about a jedi can equipt a tropper armor the stats on that armor will not benefit jedi mutch.
its like to tink a warrior in WOW equipt a mage robe to get more stamina he perhaps look cool in the dress but he will not funktion as the role he have as warrior in his fancy dress.
So pleace spare us the funny remarks and the game at pax is not the final game and lots of changes can still be maid, other wise we should have a relese date already for the game.
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Nice OP Michael ! Players look at this subject from a Subjective view. All the way from "don't care" to venomous vanity. One of the more reasonable attitudes is the breaking of immersion from visual aspects (In Star Trek Online u can see the USS Sillybunniy). Another is, what to you, is so cool looking but lacks the stats and vice versus. Immersion is also important to SWtOR, primarily from the basic Star Wars fanbase which will comprise the majority of the launch players. Other people will also start playing with no real idea about lore or an "iconic" look and Bioware wants to bring them into immersion as quickly as possibility. Also customization (choice) is highly important for almost any MMO on the market. Not all of these concepts are compatible (one mans trash is another man's treasure).
Biowar looks at this OP from a different viewpoint. Bioware see this situation from the Objective point of view. They will produce the result most pleasing to the majority of players because they are a business and absolutely need players to buy and continue to (play - and pay) for as long as possible. If they fail then they are out of a job and the game spirals downward. Compromise is usually the result and Bioware seems to have decided to put enough into this game to try to balance out the more incompatible features from the players viewpoints.
Allowing a color change is one obvious compromise. Allowing cross class armor to a limited extent is balanced by the lower abilities scores when doing so. More compromise. Try to make as many people happy as possible. Not the 'best' of both worlds but hopefully acceptable to both 'sides'. Add in other stuff that both like and mabey you get a successful game that players enjoy and makes money to keep it going.
BTW - The repeated complaints about development time are an indication of expectations. A dangerous subject being the main focus of a Marketing department. I have played games such as Champions and Star Trek Online which both failed badly on launch content. I dropped Champions (which went F2P) but still play STO as they made a desperate rush to add content, more or less successfully I think. Bioware is plainly not going to allow that to happen here and I am glad of that. At age 65 (gamer since 1976) I have learned about patience but really do want to play before I croak!
I said always when NEEDED...
and by going right to the top, Vader wore armor always, and many others did at times too, that all im saying.... it should be a choice for everyone to make on there own...
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Hilarious
Doesnt anyone know what the "RPG" in MMORPG means anymore?
Not everyone are into MMORPG's to "pwn nubs and idiots" like the counterstrike generation is.
Maybe you will have no choice and wearing what you can pick up is better than nothing. Tends towards some interesting quest scenarios.
Seriously i dont understand why people complain about this...
Like when u go out and buy a coat how often do u get home and are like "damn, its a Heavy Coat and im only able to wear Medium Coats."
Being able to wear anything is a little slice of reality... how it encumbers u or makes u unable to do, is somthing totally diffrent...
I largely agree with the first part. For the second part, I agree with the empirical statement, but in practice I feel that certain pieces should be versatile in their crossover capabilities.The game must be bug free if beta testers are finding enough time to complain about inane shit like "not iconic enuff herp deerp a derp!"
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They need an appearence tab. I don't like it when a game tells me what I must wear. Let us dress ourselves please.
Luke wasn't a Jedi either.
Oh and Darth Vader's "armor" is all robot parts and a respirator. Also, if you look at him he's still wearing his Jedi robe (the cape/hood version).
Yeah, then he became a Jedi and un-learned how to wear that armor. In other words, do you have a valid point?
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I think you are all getting off too pre-mature on this. I believe you are trying to make a big deal (Possibly, negative publicity...) of something that can and does exist in any mmo to date.
In WoW for example, I am a pally...I wear plate. I can also wear cloth, leather, and mail...do I? Never! I am not one of "them special players" he describes, who will def. not be in any of my groups.
Once again I think you are trying to start a pitchfork/torch party. I won't say why you are attempting this...but I will say that this is not really story worthy. You never did this for any other mmo...just saying.
An appearance tab is a bad solution to the problem of customizability, a better way is to let crafters retrofit or re-craft gear as a part of the crafting content, bound items can be hold in a crafting window similar to a trade window if they are "no-trade".
He didn't need that armor. Also heavy armor restricts movement. "But... But they wear heavy robes/cloaks." And they also take those off when they are about to fight. When they do take the robe off they know its gonna be a tough fight.
I'll give you this. Unless a Jedi is gonna go into an all out war (all those pics you see of a Jedi wearing armor), they won't be walking around in armor.