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UPDATED: Not Worth Your Money, Give It Six Months

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  • CavadusCavadus Member UncommonPosts: 707

    Seriously, I don't know what the f*ck you haters want me to say.  I clearly spelled out all of the game's issues in my OP and then just talked about what's gotten better since launch.

    Are some of you really this butt hurt over purchasing a game that you most likely beta tested and therefore knew exactly what condition it was going to launch in?

    Let's not forget this is a tiny indie studio out of f*cking Bulgaria.  Seriously, what the hell were your expectations to begin with???

    If you don't like the game, fine, great.  I don't like Fallen Earth and I think it's probably the shittiest MMO I've ever experienced in my life.  That being said I don't sit and waste my time QQing all damn day about the game over on their forum.

    I suppose this is what I get for posting over here MMORPG.com.  Place is a cess pool...

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  • YalexyYalexy Member UncommonPosts: 1,058

    I find it quiet amusing actually, when people are claiming that there's no lag in Earthrise, when there's people complaining about lag even in the official forums.

    Sure, lag has improved and the game has gotten playable somewhat, but there's still lot's of lag, especially for those not sporting a $9000 rig, as the client is still not optimized to the point of where it's possible to play decently with a $1000 rig. Not everyone has 8+GB RAM, SSDs and most highend CPU + GPU.
    So the game still needs alot of work to be lagfree for most people.

    On another note, try playing the game with more then some 6 people in the same place.... that's where the whole problem starts all over again and get's unplayable even with the most decent rigs.

    All the work Masthead is doing now is something they should've done during CBT allready, when people told them all about the issues back then allready. The OBT shortly before release made it even more obvious that the game is far from being good enough to be released.

    And now, even if we assume that the lag is all gone and the client and netcode totally fixed, the game still suffers from alot of poor game-mechanics....

    Roots and stuns have to go, they've got no place in a FPS-style MMO and there needs to be way more single-player-content that you can do without constantly being ganked (i.e. safer areas for PvE-content).
    Discrepancy of gear-tiers is another big failure in this game and this was discussed alot in the beta-forums, tho Masthead didn't listen to anything.

    SWG and EvE Online should've been taken as an example for how it's done right for a big part of the game-mechaincs and not Darkfall or Mortal Online.
    Most people interested in Earthrise want to play a PvP-oriented MMORPG and not an Online Arena Deathmatch.

    I totally can understand Kav and his will to support the game, based on what the game could've been in regards to the overall idea of it, but I just don't see this game to become any good, if Masthead don't change alot of the machincs in addition to the technical issues.

  • kakasakikakasaki Member UncommonPosts: 1,205

    Originally posted by Cavadus

    Seriously, I don't know what the f*ck you haters want me to say.  I clearly spelled out all of the game's issues in my OP and then just talked about what's gotten better since launch. .. and the "haters" are giving thier opinion as to why it is still a crappy game. So you can give your opinion and they can't?

    Are some of you really this butt hurt over purchasing a game that you most likely beta tested and therefore knew exactly what condition it was going to launch in? ... welcome to game forums. That is exactly what people do on sites like this.

    Let's not forget this is a tiny indie studio out of f*cking Bulgaria.  Seriously, what the hell were your expectations to begin with??? ... so because they are an "indie" studio they must get some special consideration? Never will understand that argument. If you are charging for a product, the public has a right to expect some basic level of qualitty.

    If you don't like the game, fine, great.  I don't like Fallen Earth and I think it's probably the shittiest MMO I've ever experienced in my life.  That being said I don't sit and waste my time QQing all damn day about the game over on their forum. ... and yet you felt compelled to attack a rival product from another "indie" company in your rebuttal.

    I suppose this is what I get for posting over here MMORPG.com.  Place is a cess pool...  ... so because of one or two posters here you lump the whole community here as a cesspool??? My, pot meet kettle... You my friend are very thin skinned and maybe should stay away from posting on forums...

    Sorry your forum thread didn't go as you planned...

    A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...

  • CavadusCavadus Member UncommonPosts: 707

    To be fair you can't blame MHS for the result of the retarded tier system.  A few posters and myself fought pretty hard on the beta forums against ER's de facto level system and we were told to simply STFU "...because MMOs need progression."

    So the blame for the gear tiers rests squarely on the beta testers, IMO.  And even now there are still people advocating increasing the statistical disparity between gear tiers even further.  Just the other day I had made a post about making the difference between T1 and T10 HP be something like ~5,000 @ T1 to ~10,000 @ T10 and the first person to respond said that wasn't big enough of a difference.

    Yeah, it's shit game design but for whatever reason the existing players Iwant it.

    Which sucks.

    I also agree the game needs some type of CONCORD-esque NPC security for newer players, particularly around Northern Road Camp where one high level player can just camp the entrance and absolutely massacre newbs with 100% impunity.  The karma system factors in here as well.

    But as much as I may want all of that what matters now is optimizing the client's GFX engine and the netcode.  Luckily this is exactly what's being worked and I'm glad to see the roadmap stuff shelved to get this done.  Yeah, obviously it should have been done in early beta, no one can deny that, but at least it's getting done sooner rather than later.

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  • AmanaAmana Moderator UncommonPosts: 3,912

    Guys, let's cut out the accusations and personal attacks and keep the post about the state of the game. It's not about who said what and when. 

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  • BroomyBroomy Member UncommonPosts: 487

    Originally posted by Adun

    Originally posted by potapithikos

    Originally posted by Adun

    Originally posted by potapithikos

    Replying to a well written articulate post with "*Point* HAHAH WoW LOL" pretty much invalidates any argument you tried to make ... if you consider Adun's responce an attempt to make any argument.

     

    This is the "well-written and articulate post" you're talking about?


    Originally posted by Broomy

     I bought ER a few months ago and tried it...it was terrible.  I would log in periodically to see how the game fared.  It was still terrible.  Logged in today to see if the patch improved things....still a joke.  LAG, No direction, Poor mechanics, toxic community for the most part. 

     

    I'm done.  Uninstalling that total piece of garbage.  And I will be letting my buddies that were interested in it know to NOT bother wasting thier hard earned cash.  This is simply put crimminal theft of player money. 

    You know, now that I reread it, I, too, was blown away by it's articulation, insight, and powerful prose. I sincerely and whole-heartedly withdraw my retort which was comprised of, to be exact, "Lol". I can easily see how you inferred ER has a toxic community at my example, but sir, know that on the next moon, I shall give myself to penance and light a candle to mark the ocassion, for it is something which should not be forgotten, and indeed, taken deeply to breast.

    Nice try, but you still haven't addressed a single of his points regarding Lag, No Direction, Poor Mechanics. 

     

    Keep continuing to validate his opinion of the community being toxic.

     

    +1 for the improvement in insulting though! Definately much better than "WoW Lol!"

    Rofl, It has already been stated in this thread countless time that lag no longer exists, and as far as "no direction" and "poor mechanics" are concerned, these are vague, blanket terms that mean nothing. The fact that you cited these "points" as articulate and well-written just makes me laugh, as does the rest of your desperate attempts at bashing the game when you clearly know nothing of it. The only thing "toxic" here are people like yourself who, while not even playing the game they're condemning, and thus in actuality know f*ck-all about it, are not deterred from still talking at length of what they do not know. But really you're not to be blamed; it's the standard migratory MMO kid mentality, and you're just another number amongst it's horde.

     Yes, Adun, my post was well written...short and to the point.  I stated how I felt about the game clearly and succinctly and most importantly WHY I felt that way (and if someone that has been playing MMOs alleges terms like "poor mechanics" and "no direction" are "blanket" they need to stop playing.  My niece is 12 and she is a gamer that understands those terms relative to MMO gaming).  I also threw in the details of  several attempts I made to have faith in the game, give it a chance, hope for the best.  And then I rounded out my statement with the blunt truth...the game is garbage in its current state.  Sorry man, but I don't "roleplay" about burning a candle as penance.  I give it to you straight with no chaser.  Sorry if that wasn't eloquent enough for you.    Your posts on the other hand have been quite frankly childish.  And yes, You are a prime example of the toxic community that I referred to.  I will have to thank you for proving my point there.  Now, back to the hot mess otherwise known as Earthrise....

     

    I really don't have much more to say about it.  But I will say this:  And this is to you Adun: stop telling people there is no lag in the game.  That's a ballfaced lie.  And as long as you keep telling that lie here, I and others will be there to oppose it.  Cause you know why?  People come to MMORPG for better or worse, but to get the skinny on MMOs without being under the bias of the game's official forums.  Contrary to popular belief, people actually want to find a great game....let me repeat that...people WANT to find a great game to feed thier MMO hobby.  When people express displeasure for a game it is because in some way that game disappointed them.  MMORPG is the forum that allows people to be very honest about their experiences in a game.  And to tell players something about a game that too many know is simply not true is a violation of the spirit of these forums.  You would do better off on the official forums where mods can delete the negative posts, MMORPG is NOT the place for you. 

     

    So in closing I say to all prospective buyers of ER:  don't waste your money as I did.  The game has serious issues with lag, mechanics and has no direction.  If you have money to burn and need your scifi MMO fix your better off going to EVE or (and Im serious) Anarchy Online.  Both of these games have helpful communities (EVE is rather elitists but they know their stuff), in depth game mechanics (builds, market, crafting) and no elves. 

     

     

     

     

     

    Current Games: WOW, EVE Online

  • 2can2can Member Posts: 57

    Originally posted by Broomy

    So in closing I say to all prospective buyers of ER:  don't waste your money as I did.  The game has serious issues with lag, mechanics and has no direction.  If you have money to burn and need your scifi MMO fix your better off going to EVE or (and Im serious) Anarchy Online.  Both of these games have helpful communities (EVE is rather elitists but they know their stuff), in depth game mechanics (builds, market, crafting) and no elves. 

     

    read that then saw current games played...wow and rift sorry bro taking that with some heavy grains of salt

  • BroomyBroomy Member UncommonPosts: 487

    Originally posted by potapithikos

    Originally posted by Adun

    Originally posted by potapithikos

    Replying to a well written articulate post with "*Point* HAHAH WoW LOL" pretty much invalidates any argument you tried to make ... if you consider Adun's responce an attempt to make any argument.

     

    This is the "well-written and articulate post" you're talking about?


    Originally posted by Broomy

     I bought ER a few months ago and tried it...it was terrible.  I would log in periodically to see how the game fared.  It was still terrible.  Logged in today to see if the patch improved things....still a joke.  LAG, No direction, Poor mechanics, toxic community for the most part. 

     

    I'm done.  Uninstalling that total piece of garbage.  And I will be letting my buddies that were interested in it know to NOT bother wasting thier hard earned cash.  This is simply put crimminal theft of player money. 

    You know, now that I reread it, I, too, was blown away by it's articulation, insight, and powerful prose. I sincerely and whole-heartedly withdraw my retort which was comprised of, to be exact, "Lol". I can easily see how you inferred ER has a toxic community at my example, but sir, know that on the next moon, I shall give myself to penance and light a candle to mark the ocassion, for it is something which should not be forgotten, and indeed, taken deeply to breast.

    Nice try, but you still haven't addressed a single of his points regarding Lag, No Direction, Poor Mechanics. 

     

    Keep continuing to validate his opinion of the community being toxic.

     

    +1 for the improvement in insulting though! Definately much better than "WoW Lol!"

     He won't address them because he can't.  He instead chose to dismiss them as "blanket" when anyone that plays MMOs are familiar with those terms and what they mean.  I'm still gagging that he went there with the "WOW LOl" comment.   And we are the horde?  Those WOW insults are so played out I'm beginning to think they will eventually become part of the Godwin's Law.  IE:  "Given enough time on a gaming forum, all comparisons or insults are eventually related to the MMO World of Warcraft." 

    ;)

    Current Games: WOW, EVE Online

  • CavadusCavadus Member UncommonPosts: 707

    Originally posted by Broomy

     

    I really don't have much more to say about it.  But I will say this:  And this is to you Adun: stop telling people there is no lag in the game.  That's a ballfaced lie.

    ...except it's not a lie.  I experience almost zero lag at any given time in any given location.  The only time lag starts to crop up is when I get into a battle with 8+ players in it because ER's netcode eats such an incredible amount of bandwidth.

    I'm sorry but it's you who are lying.  If you think the game is laggy you obviously haven't played it in well over a month as almost all of the lag and server stability issues were cleared up in mid-March.

    Honestly, it sounds like you played the game for about a week in February and then called it quits.  Your information and on the game is grossly out of date.

    I want to be clear: servers are 100% stable and lag is quite good currently.  Maybe you should log into the game for an hour or so and see for yourself.

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  • BroomyBroomy Member UncommonPosts: 487

    Originally posted by 2can

    Originally posted by Broomy

    So in closing I say to all prospective buyers of ER:  don't waste your money as I did.  The game has serious issues with lag, mechanics and has no direction.  If you have money to burn and need your scifi MMO fix your better off going to EVE or (and Im serious) Anarchy Online.  Both of these games have helpful communities (EVE is rather elitists but they know their stuff), in depth game mechanics (builds, market, crafting) and no elves. 

     

    read that then saw current games played...wow and rift sorry bro taking that with some heavy grains of salt

     As you should.  Both games have mechanics that work and are polished and I enjoy them.  Sure I want a change, which is why I tried (again and again) Earthrise.  In its current state it sucks.  But by all means man, go spend your money on it.  It's a free country.

    Current Games: WOW, EVE Online

  • BroomyBroomy Member UncommonPosts: 487

    Originally posted by Cavadus

    Originally posted by Broomy

     

    I really don't have much more to say about it.  But I will say this:  And this is to you Adun: stop telling people there is no lag in the game.  That's a ballfaced lie.

    ...except it's not a lie.  I experience almost zero lag at any given time in any given location.  The only time lag starts to crop up is when I get into a battle with 8+ players in it because ER's netcode eats such an incredible amount of bandwidth.

    I'm sorry but it's you who are lying.  If you think the game is laggy you obviously haven't played it in well over a month as almost all of the lag and server stability issues were cleared up in mid-March.

    Honestly, it sounds like you played the game for about a week in February and then called it quits.  Your information and on the game is grossly out of date.

    I want to be clear: servers are 100% stable and lag is quite good currently.  Maybe you should log into the game for an hour or so and see for yourself.

     I logged into Earthrise last week.  If you saw my original post on this thread you would know that my last log in was recent.  AFTER the patch.  I lagged, the chat lagged, the environment lagged, the abilities lagged.  Wanna question my rig? its pretty tight with plenty of mem and I can play (thus far) anything on it at decent settings.  But that's OK, keep spreading the untruth.  When people spend their money on that steaming pile, experience the lag, they will know who to flame. 

    Current Games: WOW, EVE Online

  • 2can2can Member Posts: 57

    but im also a hardcore veteran of darkfall which is renowned by forums around the globe as a piece of crap sooooo...i would like to try it but id like someway to play it before shelling out 50$

  • DLangleyDLangley Member Posts: 1,407

    Try not to bait other when posting guys, thanks!

     

  • CavadusCavadus Member UncommonPosts: 707

    Originally posted by Broomy

     I logged into Earthrise last week.  If you saw my original post on this thread you would know that my last log in was recent.  AFTER the patch.  I lagged, the chat lagged, the environment lagged, the abilities lagged.  Wanna question my rig? its pretty tight with plenty of mem and I can play (thus far) anything on it at decent settings.  But that's OK, keep spreading the untruth.  When people spend their money on that steaming pile, experience the lag, they will know who to flame. 

    There's obviously something wrong on your end or your internet connection is less than optimal.  I have not experienced any significant lag in well over a month, if not longer.

    I don't know what to tell you.  No one in my guild has complained about lag since late February.  Servers are stable and fast.  Maybe you need to check your firewall or something.

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  • AsboAsbo Member UncommonPosts: 812

    Poor game imo, I have just got a complete refund due to lack of content and lag issues.

    Asbo

  • tikitiki Member Posts: 395

    Game play and mechanics wise, this is the best game on the market today.  Unfortunately it is just way too laggy and unpolished to enjoy.

    East Carolina University, Computer Science BS, 2011
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    Current game: DAOC

    Games played and quit: L2, PlanetSide, RF Online, GuildWars, SWG, COH/COV, Vanguard, LOTRO, WoW, WW2 Online, FFXI, Auto-Assault, EVE Online, ShadowBane, RYL, Rappelz, Last Chaos, Myst Online, POTBS, EQ2, Warhammer Online, AoC, Aion, Champions Online, Star Trek Online, Allods, Darkfall.

    Waiting on: Earthrise

    Names: Citio, Goldie, Sportacus

  • BroomyBroomy Member UncommonPosts: 487

    Originally posted by Cavadus

    Originally posted by Broomy

     I logged into Earthrise last week.  If you saw my original post on this thread you would know that my last log in was recent.  AFTER the patch.  I lagged, the chat lagged, the environment lagged, the abilities lagged.  Wanna question my rig? its pretty tight with plenty of mem and I can play (thus far) anything on it at decent settings.  But that's OK, keep spreading the untruth.  When people spend their money on that steaming pile, experience the lag, they will know who to flame. 

    There's obviously something wrong on your end or your internet connection is less than optimal.  I have not experienced any significant lag in well over a month, if not longer.

    I don't know what to tell you.  No one in my guild has complained about lag since late February.  Servers are stable and fast.  Maybe you need to check your firewall or something.

     MmmmmKay...Please review the two post above, made right after your claim of NO Lag.  I guess all of us have bad internet connections and/or firewall issues. 

     

     

    Current Games: WOW, EVE Online

  • CavadusCavadus Member UncommonPosts: 707

    I'm willing to bet tiki played the game at launch and not much longer afterwards.  is that correct, tiki?

    I'm in game right now and there's absolutely no lag of any kind.

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  • tikitiki Member Posts: 395

    Have they fixed it in the past week?  I play last wednesday, and felt even worse than at launch.

    East Carolina University, Computer Science BS, 2011
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    Current game: DAOC

    Games played and quit: L2, PlanetSide, RF Online, GuildWars, SWG, COH/COV, Vanguard, LOTRO, WoW, WW2 Online, FFXI, Auto-Assault, EVE Online, ShadowBane, RYL, Rappelz, Last Chaos, Myst Online, POTBS, EQ2, Warhammer Online, AoC, Aion, Champions Online, Star Trek Online, Allods, Darkfall.

    Waiting on: Earthrise

    Names: Citio, Goldie, Sportacus

  • thebigchin11thebigchin11 Member Posts: 519

    Last I played was , well about 2 hours after launch, has it evened out?

    Chins

  • CavadusCavadus Member UncommonPosts: 707

    Originally posted by tiki

    I play last wednesday, and felt even worse than at launch.

    Comments like this are how I know you haven't actually played the game in the past sixty days.

    Lag only occurs in groups of 8 or more players.  I just logged for the night and spent three hours grinding with two guildmates.

    None of us experienced any lag of any kind.

    I think many of you are confusing your machine stuttering during GFX rendering with actual network latency.  If lag means network latency to you than I'm happy to report lag is gone.

    If lag means game stuttering to you I'm unfortunately report that it's only gotten slightly better.

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  • MadimorgaMadimorga Member UncommonPosts: 1,920

    Originally posted by Yalexy

    Advertising this game to be worth playing it is like convincing people to drink coolaid.

    This game sure have seen some patches to reduce lag and client-crashes. Yes it even fixed some bugs and glitches, it still is one of the most horrible games released during the last three years.

    There's nowhere you can go without being assaulted and killed within three seconds by some jerks. You don't see any enemy becuase of the very narrow FoV and short drawdistance and BANG... you get rooted and instakilled. Yes, three seconds is all that it takes to kill you by a single opponent and you've got no options to fight back, run away or whatever. And the worst thing is, that this can happen all over the world... there's no safe areas. Only the 10x10m camps are safe, but you can't do anything there besides chatting. Once you want to level up, train your skills, gather materials, you get killed so often that you'll leave the game because it makes this game unplayable.

    Earthrise isn't a MMORPG. It's the biggest arena deathmatch ever created.

    Another point why I won't advertise this game to be playable is that the controls are one of the worst ever. The whole thing is very clunky and you can't remap keys to make it any better. The game has some awkward restrictions somewhere in the code, so it doesn't accept more then three key-strokes at once. Walking forward, while strafing and shooting makes it totally impossible to activate skills or something, so combat is pretty much static.

     

    That was my experience.  The box needs more sand.  It's a lovely box, though.  Whoever was in charge of that is an artist or team of artists, it's a truly beatiful game world.  Maybe they'll realize that a lot of us would like to experience it in a context that doesn't involve shooting and being shot or grinding at a crafting station in preparation for shooting and being shot at at all of the time.  Sometimes is fine.  Even much of the time is fine, but not all the time.  Every activity in the game does not have to feed pvp, despite what many pvpers believe.

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  • AdunAdun Member UncommonPosts: 70

    For those complaining about lag, just curious, do you see much of it here:

    Earthrise Month 2 PVP

    or here:

    Earthrise Crafting Industries

    I'm on an average cable connection, with a $750 rig, and was frapsing in full 1920 x 1080 to boot.

  • potapithikospotapithikos Member Posts: 178

    Originally posted by Adun

    For those complaining about lag, just curious, do you see much of it here:

    Earthrise Month 2 PVP

    or here:

    Earthrise Crafting Industries

    I'm on an average cable connection, with a $750 rig, and was frapsing in full 1920 x 1080 to boot.

    http://forum.play-earthrise.com/index.php?/topic/1886-is-the-game-lag-free-yet/

     

    On a sidenote the number of people voting speaks volumes about the population of the game.

  • CavadusCavadus Member UncommonPosts: 707

    The game still lags with 8 or more people in one area PvPing.  That guy was asking if all lag in any situation was gone, and obviously it isn't, but for the average person in game right now not going on large scale crafting runs the game is  lag free.

    Seriously, CMN.

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