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Bioware snubbed, not in top 100 developer list
ThomasN7
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Ouch! I know it is tough out there but at one time they were one of the best. What happened ?
Link: http://www.develop-online.net/features/1230/DEVELOP-100-The-100-in-full
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Dragon Age 2 happened.....
Who ever wrote that list has they head up there ass, to miss bioware is like making a list of great movie studios and missing out MGM or Dreamworks
Look at all the nobodies and why is Rockstar even on there? They haven't done anything in a long time. There's no credibility to that list not to mention that I've never heard of Develop, that crap is that?
Who the hell is http://www.develop-online.net and why do I care about them?
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From what i can gather from how the list is formed, it's based on an average system.
One game average high will get much higher on the list if the company has 1 great game (rated 98) then a company that rates 85 to 90 on 10 games.
Thats why companies like the one that made world of goo rated higher then say Bioware in this case.
I'd like to know for certain though what their rating scale is before i put credit to it.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Closer to missing out Lionsgate, really. But I agree. Bioware is top 20 material, though probably not yet top 10.
Edit: On topic, that list is just god awful. Whoever published it should crawl in a hole and live out the rest of their lives eating paint chips. Even if it was done on a percentage or critic average score (which it doesn't seem to have).
I have a hard time taking a list seriously when Rockstar Leeds is placed higher than Rockstar North...
As for BioWare getting "snubbed," I think the first reply is adequate :P
lol It says, the "Best reviewed games of calander year 2010".
So Mass effect 2 was released then from Bioware and that's it.
Maybe it's also qunaity of games produced?
Ah, reading further, the DLC they released counted towards the overall rating. So the things released for DAO.
Still, incredible. Mass Effect 2 was the best game/rpg of 2010. I find it hard to believe that the DAO dlc was SO BAD it would drop them below some of the devs on that list that I've never heard of, or the trash they release. Nor can I believe those companies listed kept releasing great/better content.
I've never heard of this website, but it was great how they made sure to have a story on why bioware didn't make it.
They are explaining why BioWare didn't make it here. The game without DLC was fine. They think DLC content didn't deliver for what it cost. I think they weighted DLC content waaay too much.
Rockstar deserves to be on there. LA Noir? All the GTAs? Come on lol, they got that part right. But yeah Bioware not being on there is a sin. Dragon Age, Bioshock, Knights of the Old Republic, Mass Effect - all 10s and all innovative. They should be atleast top 5.
http://www.develop-online.net/news/37834/Develop-100-Why-didnt-BioWare-make-the-list
Basically, that top 100 list is just a list based on data from Metacritic, and is thus completely worthless. It's data from 2010 even. I don't understand the point of that list, nor do I do intend to find out.
DA2 Was Calander year 2011. Sorry.
What does Bioware have anything to do with it? There are quite a few companies great companies that didn't make it on there. I don't see what this spefically has to do with Bioware getting snubbed.
Because Bioware is making TOR, released DA2, and some people like to poke at these sorts of things.
And ME2 won so many awards, one of the top rated games ever? I think that's why.
I agree that they should be atleast in the top 50 but I think that the story driven path they have chosen has taken them into a not so popular direction. Their other games were great like NWN, Kotor, Baldur's Gate and Jade Empire. Those games were more combat focused and still had story, today their games are more story driven focused with added on combat. They still are pretty good!
Exactly... It's like saying "ME2 was amongst the top game of the year, but we didn't like the DLC they added to DA:O so we're going to push them down to the ... top 300".
Someone needs to make a list of the top 100 reasons why lists are meaningless.
By "not so popular" do you mean "some of the best selling titles of all time"?
I was just reading through the comments on that "article" and I saw something that made me lol.
A member of the 'develop' team pretty much offered to fight a commenter because of the comment he wrote. Really professional work there lol.
That list is complete and total bs, by the way. There is almost no rhyme or reason to the list beyond 'These are indie devs that released one well-reviewed game'
You know what really amazing trick about the entire indie niche? It's propagated by indie gamers who are in love with indie games.
What are indie games?
Generally small and simple with some quirky mechanics, maybe. Lately all i've been seeing in indie games are titles that could have been released 15 years ago. Why does the studio that made World of Goo get a spot on this list, but Bioware doesn't?
Is that developer still making games? No? Then they aren't relavent anymore.
This would be like if an author wrote one book in his 20's that was good, not earth shattering, not world changing, but it was noteworthy to be sure. And then fifty years later he appears on a list of the top twenty authors of all time while Charles Dickens was left off.
Sorry, but you don't get to not include studios on a list like this just because you dislike some of their recent work. It doesn't work that way.
Bioware has been around for 20+ years. They've created and endured in an extremely volatile industry and have somehow managed to not be -completely- corrupted by EA. The industry wouldn't be what it is today without studios like Bioware. Indie hippies need to pull their heads out of their asses, stop being jealous and recognize that studios that have been around for over two decades have EARNED your respect regardless of whether or not you like what they're doing now.
I respect the efforts of indie devs, but not if they only make one game and then milk that title for all it's worth. This is what the devs of World of Goo have done. All they've done lately is port the game around all over the place. That's it. How are these people contributing anything to the industry at this point?
Not so popular meaning maybe gamers perfer more combat oriented games rather than a story driven cinematic experience.
Oh oh and don't forget that Bioware is also trying to refine their approach with each title.
And Bioware stands WAY out in front in terms of making games that actually care about story. They need some better writers, but at least they're trying.
And as I said - it doesn't matter what anybody feels about their recent efforts. With a studio this old you have to look at everything they've done. Baldur's Gate ALONE earns them a spot on any such lists. Anybody who doesn't include Bioware is doing it because they're an indie hippy that hates big studios for no logical reason.
At least the two of us recognize this.
Starting to lose respect for this article. Not because Bioware isn't on there. I never fault a company for doing that.
But when the 88th place is
TU Wein
Which when you google it is
Technische Universität Wien, TU Wien, Vienna University of Technology.
A school...I don't know i look at it and go: what?
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
wut?
ROFL at this:
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WTH? I guess they have a hard time with critisim.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Some gamers, not all.
Some people like big, actiony movies that have no plot at all. Some people don't mind watching a movie with more dialogue, so long as it actually means something. Like The Empire Strikes Back versus oh....I dunno....any of the prequels.
Empire had relatively little action compared to the prequels, but I prefer it because it is qualitatively better. There's actual character interaction on a relatable, real level. There's engaging drama and meaningul plot points instead of mostly pointless and overly choreographed lightsaber fights.
At the same time, I can appreciate the desire to watch things get blown up. This is what movies like Crank and Shoot 'Em Up are for. There's no pretense here. There's no real effort to try to make a story that would be just as utterly stupid anyway because any super-action oriented flick is going to have a crappy story anyway.
I could go on, but I'm not.