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EVE Online: Devs Respond to Internal Newsletter Leak & Fan Reaction
SBFord
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A new post on the CCP blog from Zulu uses the title "Fearless, Virtual Goods, and Rage". The post deals with players' reactions to a leaked internal newsletter called' Fearless' that discussed developers' opinions on the subject of virtual goods and pricing. The letter goes on to discuss the pricing structure in the NeX store.
The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand.
While it‘s perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think it‘s not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and shitstorm being pointed at them.
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Anyone have a link to this leaked newsletter? Exactly what caused the uproar?
As usual CCP is corrupt and unprofessional.
"Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and shitstorm being pointed at them."
Then goes on to comparing in game eve clothes to top dollar RL designer clothes, therefor justifying insane prices ccp wants to charge...
It sounds like it was a really boring newsletter.
205 pages, 6125 posts, under 24 hours old and still growing. However it has slowed down. Link
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There's a bunch of gems floating around. But this one is pretty good. Shows how out of touch some of the CCP staff really are. Not just CCP Zulu. LINK
CCP Fallout
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No, it's not. It's a waste of my time, which I could be spent gathering more feedback and talking with people making sure the player's perspective is being shared with people higher up the ladder, I'm wasting time with extremely childish antics that get no one anywhere.
Really, this needs to stop.
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CSM gives a warning to CCP before the blog was posted. Link
Black Friday
I woke up this morning to find the forums even more afire with rage about Incarna, the "Fearless" newsletter, and the Virtual Goods store. I could tell in a few minutes that I wasn't going to get anything else done today.
"I can't work today, dear," I told my wife, "EVE is on fire."
"Piss on EVE, then", she replied.
"I would, if I thought it would help."
So, I've spent most of the last 12 hours answering player questions, trying to give CCP good feedback on the issues, trying to get them to see how bad things have gotten. My fellow CSMs were doing the same.
Late in the day, we were presented with a draft devblog, and asked to comment on it. With the exception of the removal of a rather unfortunate analogy, that draft was essentially identical to what was just published.
None of CSM's concerns -- the ones the players were asking about -- were addressed; in particular:
* Will non-vanity virtual goods be introduced?
* Will CCP change their virtual goods pricing strategy?
* Will the CQ remain optional, or will it eventually be forced on the players?
To say that CSM is disappointed by the contents of this devblog would be an understatement. Incredulous is more like it.
Based on the devblog, and my impressions from the conversations I have had in recent days, it is my opinion that CCP has decided upon a strategy with respect to virtual goods and Incarna, and that they are going to fearlessly implement it regardless of feedback from CSM or the players.
Our words, and yours, appear worthless. Only our actions may have weight.
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What a shame.
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/06/25/ccp-hilmar-global-email-shows-the-reasoning-behind-ccp-zulu-devblog/
Alternate: I don't know if the other link is being hammered or what. http://eve.theelitist.net/evenews24-mirror/
It's their job to brainstorm ideas that goes so much against what EVE is that it created such a negative reaction? I dont see the value of that unless it was a list of things to never do and it was titled instead "Lets not go there."
Whats worse is stating they intend to go foward with NeX and adding more items (note items could mean more the just clothing).... in short saying that NeX is here to stay so get in or get out.
I don't know who called it 1st but that was the non-apology apology I was expecting. Eve has metrics up the arse and they must know by now what's selling and what isn't. If the numbers are good there isn't a heck of a whole lot you can do about it. he internal newsletter made for som pretty interesting reading. Exagerations or not, they talk about taking MT to the next level.
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy.
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"This kind of topic is like one of those little cartoon boxes held up by a stick on a string, with a piece of meat under it. In other words, bait."
CCP Zulu is an idiot, you can actually buy real life designer jeans for the cost of some of those vanity items.
Currently playing:
EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush,
Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light,
Company of Heroes II.
Here's a gem : "Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them?"
*golf clap
LMAO. Yeah, great direction to steer your baby in, CCP. This is exactly what I have been waiting for in the many years I have played your game.
Personally, I can't believe anything they say. Not too long ago (as someone on these forums reminded me), CCP declared that they would never even consider a cash shop. So.....whatever they at this point....it doesn't matter.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
and so I give up Eve..and am now playing a solo form of Eve called X3: The Reunion will soon get Terran Conflict. CCP has gone from bad to worse with so many flaws from the miniscule to the outrageous. Goodbye Eve...may yer need for expensive Icelandic Vodka prove more loyal then yer playerbase which you lost due to too many flaws and indiscretions.
Been playing EVE Online on and off since 2003. And I can definately say I don't like where CCP/EVE is heading. Infact, I have very little desire to return to this game now that CCP have slipped in a cash shop.
Will see where CCP take it to.
I honestly wouldn't care if they kept a vanity cash shop. I think it's pointless. I think CCP makes enough money off the subscriptions. But whatever. Should they ever add anything besides vanity items, Eve will die.
I think the person who wrote this reply is an idiot. There is no justification for charging 60 dollars for a virtual monocle. Let's hope that the people of CCP regain their sanity before they lose their playerbase.
Rofl man, when blizzard was selling those little ponies, who'd of thought ccp would be the first to sell at this level, with crazy prices, and then justify it with a comparison to real life designer cloths... Don't worry loyal eve fans who pay subs, they will be adding cheaper items and some more expensive items. Probably exclusive ships and weapons too!
Epic Fail for an apology. Epic Fail at a response. Seriously considering giving the axe to both my accounts, since I play once a week to move my PI stuff around at most.
the problem I see is that now new things wont come from the player economy. they will come from the item shop. New paint job for your battleship? Well you can get it for 50 bucks, but it didnt come from the player who bought the modules made by players to put together a station that paints ships in space and then charges players for the work. RTM beyond plex simply means the have left behind the idea of creating worlds in favor of developing new shineys. Why fix bugs when you an lure in new players and try to make then interested long enough to buy a coat for 50 bucks. I thought the vampire MMO was in good hands but now it most likely will be a gothic cash shop. I never expected CCP to follow in the footsteps of soe.
I think his reply was fine. An internal discussion document is for internal use. Individual ideas need to be considered and talked about so they know how to deal with them. The players taking way out of context and raging over some theory talk is kind of overboard.
As for the vanity items, some people want to play dressup, so let them. The costs do make things semi-exclusive and a status symbol, but there are already items like that in game with the rare ships.
Most of all, it is funny how people want to associate RL money to the cost of NeX goods without the consideration that it can be purchased with ISK. Compairson would be a faction fitted mission runner, which can be destroyed, costs just as much as the most expensive item in the NeX, an item which cannot be destroyed while worn.
jojin go read the fourm link in the thread ull see alot more my friend on why the rage is continueing.
I don't mind the MTs as long as the store is restricted to vanity items. As much as I would like to see new ships I would prefer them to be introduced into the game without being placed in a store. However, on that same note I'd like new ships to be somewhat common/affordable unlike faction ships and actually have decent fit capabilities so they are not just junk. The high prices of the vanity items don't bother me as well.... No one is forcing me to buy them. Outrageous prices? Yes. But I've seen more than my share of real life cars that are outrageously priced and that I'll never have. CCP will be okay as long as they keep to vanity items for the store. Of course.... Hopefully there will not be any hot pink battleship paint schemes with carebear logos on them. @.o
"The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company."
Gem : "While it‘s perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take. . ."
Which is it... is it a policy or not? I smell a stinking pile of ****.
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Real as Reality Television!!!
I'm axing my 3 accounts. It's just not worth paying for 3 subs considering where EVE is heading now that CCP has shown their true colors and trying to do everything I do now with just one account isn't really possible and would make the game outright tedius.
I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
http://www.evenews24.com/2011/06/22/greed-is-good-purportedly-leaked-internal-bulletin-shows-ccps-refreshing-new-direction/
Link to the mediafire download is at the bottom of that blog post.
"Forums aren't for intelligent discussion; they're for blow-hards with unwavering opinions."
Uh, Fearless is a pallette of ideas, not policies. In your second quote, he's referring to policies or actions that players may disagree with - i.e., not Fearless, as he clearly stated Fearless is not representative of CCP policies. Not hard to understand, right?
Don't think I'm defending this thing, though. It was the wrong kind of response at the wrong time (took too long).
I have. I play EVE and have been watching the forums. If people would just take a moment to consider the real information, there isn't much to be upset about.
Most of the rage is from things which might be or people listening to incorrect information. I mean I guess more power to people if they wish to rage and quit a game because something might happen in the future. Then again, why even bother to do anything if you only assume the worst and react before it comes to pass?
If CCP wasn't planning to implement intrusive RMT, then they have little to worry about...
...they seem awfully worried.
Like softball, I don't care if a team shows up with battered old hand-me-down bats and uniforms to face off against a team wearing gold trimmed silk outfits with etched bats. Either side may win.
I do care when they can pay the ref to move the bases closer when they are at bat and the bats only they use are custom engineered so as to be more powerful than their opposition.
Little leagers envy highschool students. Highschoolers envy college who envy the pro's. Time invested, etc... I can handle but this $$$ for "I win" expressed is a bit much.
Too many people I've come to know in games like these cannot break out the visa with the frequency someone like I can so I avoid the RMT store games and stick with more even playing fields where we each advanced based upon our effort and NOT who's got a deeper pocket book.
People are overreacting greatly (nothing new for the Forum Minority of the EVE Online community). it is possible to gather tens of Billions of ISK in this game monthly and use in game currency to buy these useless items (if you wanted them) - or you can pay cash to make the isk to buy them.
Such wasted energy on something so optional and with no impact on gameplay whatsoever. *sigh*