Best of the Best Games (In Your Opinion)

Aesper · July 2011

Hey everyone. Just want to get everyones opinion on the best of the best in MMOs based on category. Let's hear some positive things for a change

1. Hardest MMO - Why?

2. Best PVP - Why?

3. Best PVE - Why?

4. Best Dev Customer Service

5. Most Polished (overall)

6. Brightest Future

7. Most Intense

8. Easiest

Zooce · July 2011

1. Hardest MMO - Asheron's Call- No hand-holding.

2. Best PVP - AC (then), Darkfall (now)- Looting victims

3. Best PVE - Age of Conan- Challenging raids

4. Best Dev Customer Service- WoW

5. Most Polished (overall)- LotRO

6. Brightest Future- Rift (of currently released games)

7. Most Intense- Asheron's Call (then), Darkfall (now)

8. Easiest- Rift

battlerodent · July 2011

1. Hardest MMO - Why? Tough One.. but prob go with Either Legends of Kesmai or AC like previous poster.

2. Best PVP - Why? Daoc - 3 realms.. in the hayday of the game it was insane.

3. Best PVE - Why? EQ1 - If played back in the day you understand.

4. Best Dev Customer Service - SOOOOO not blizzard. Fux them.

5. Most Polished (overall) - Lotro is very solid.. EQ2 is also very solid. Hell, so is wow for that matter.

6. Brightest Future - RIft has great potential. I think so does Lotro with some changes.

7. Most Intense - hmmm.... all are pretty easy these days...

8. Easiest - refer to previous comment.

kylekbb · July 2011

Id like to suggest you add worst custom service too that too. For me it be nexon took a weak to get help with combat arms and waited for Vindictus for a long time. ANd untill i got a new cp *just now not in cb which i stayed up a week trying to get going*. No help what so ever the games they got are great but the custom service and fourms suck !

1. Hardest MMO - Why?This one im not really sure on because now days there are allot more easier mmos out. Hardest i think might be wow or ROM. But im not sure i got mixed feelings here.

2. Best PVP - Why?DarkFall i havent got a chance to play it yet but all my friends love it.

3. Best PVE - Why?Everquests they have been around a while yes but they are soild like that.

4. Best Dev Customer Service- I hate the games so far with them but Blizzard because they are serious when it comes to getting help. Only gaming compnay i know that has a huge wiki on tech issues and a customer support system that is on the phone and online.

5. Most Polished (overall)Lotro and hopefully- GW2 or Tera

6. Brightest Future- For upcoming releases GW2 and Tera. For right now Pending on how beta goes RO2 may come out in the high light. C9 and Blade and Soul are also looking very good.

7. Most Intense- This one i am not sure at all on it because i havent found many intese games. Mortal online sounds like it could be but other wise if i anwsed this it be a guess.

8. Easiest-Kingdom Heros to 70s without AP might be farther with but you can get to 60 in two days. Also sadly the game i had such high hopes for RIFT. That was truly sucky what happened there needed more time in dev. OB sets the time line for the game if the dev team is great and loads it a good bit before hand. and allot more later on. Then it will surive longer but if not they f it up big time.

Benedikt · July 2011

hardest MMO - maybe it will be a surprise, but i would say hardest (or one of hardest) MMOs i ever played is Wurm. You have to try really hard to not beeing hungry and thirsty and every bear which shows from over the hill is a really deadly enemy.

surstroming · July 2011

1. none rly, since most failures are group based and when u have a decent party nothing seems too challenging, but if I have to say something, then it would be .... nope I don't have the answer to that at all!

2. Global agenda, because I hate PVP in generall, but I played this game somewhat for the pvp reasons.

3. phantasy star online BB, mindless fun grinding of instances, games today with similair gameplay lacks orginality and because of that nothing seems rewarding and not allot of challenge at all.

4. DDO, needed help there once, and I got it. not allot of issues otherwise in gaming.

5. WoW, they have their popularity and budget. not to mention the patches that balances the game further every once in a while

6. WoW, highest playerbase and top of the market, it was released in 2004 and just grown over the years, when WoW dies, it takes the whole MMO genre with it.

7. WoW again, u could allmost call it a button smasher game if it wasn't because of the macros.

8. DDO because even with newbies you can complete allot of things, not to mention being able to change the diffculty.

ThomasN7 · July 2011

1. Hardest MMO - FFXI because some of the classes can be difficult to master.

2. Best PVP - Guild Wars because unlike other mmos, pvp here is not about spamming skills ftw.

3. Best PVE - World of Warcraft - So much to do back in the day and dungeons were actually a challenge back in vanilla.

4. Best Dev Customer Service - Trion because they know their stuff. Had some account issues and they handled it professionally.

5. Most Polished (overall) Rift - Best polished game at launch.

6. Brightest Future - None because the majority of mmos are either old or are pretty craptastic.

7. Most Intense - Aion pvp battles can be pretty intense.

8. Easiest - World of Warcraft because Cataclysm dumbed down everything so that even a caveman can do it. What was once fun is now boring.

Wharg0ul · July 2011

1. Hardest MMO - Anarchy Online, Pre-Shadow Lands. Harsh death penalty, complex character development, a gear and implant system that would give you migraines, a level cap of TWO HUNDRED, a massive world that was not neatly structured by level range....in short: all the wonderful things that MMORPGs used to be.

2. Best PVP - SWG. I have had more memorable PVP battles in SWG (in all of it's forms) than in any other game. It's not even a contest.

3. Best PVE - SWG, again.

4. Best Dev Customer Service - Fallen Earth. never seen anything like it....these guys play their own game, and hang out in chat just helping and answering questions all day long. There is no waiting for support....it is instant, and they really care.

5. Most Polished (overall) - LOTRO. Do bugs even exist in this game? I've never even had to use an /unstick command or anything.

6. Brightest Future - SWTOR. I plead the 5th.

7. Most Intense - Darkfall. Ever been in a PVP battle with over a thousand players, where death actually had meaning, and the outcome of the battle would reshape the game?

8. Easiest - Tabula Rasa. I used to pretty much sprint through that game destroying everything in my path. Probably why I got so bored playing it.

albgenius · July 2011

Originally posted by Zooce
1. Hardest MMO - Asheron's Call- No hand-holding.

2. Best PVP - AC (then), Darkfall (now)- Looting victims

3. Best PVE - Age of Conan- Challenging raids

4. Best Dev Customer Service- WoW

5. Most Polished (overall)- LotRO

6. Brightest Future- Rift (of currently released games)

7. Most Intense- Asheron's Call (then), Darkfall (now)

8. Easiest- Rift

What is the game called Rift about?Can you give me its link too?

MumboJumbo · July 2011

Originally posted by Aesper
Hey everyone. Just want to get everyones opinion on the best of the best in MMOs based on category. Let's hear some positive things for a change

Not sure about most of the categories but I've scouted out the mobile scene and in my limited experience I prefer this one the most (just coming out of beta atm):

9. Best mobile MMO: Star Legends: The Blackstar Chronicles

There's a few good arguments for O&C, Shadow Cities and even Outer Empires & SL's cousin (Pocket Legends) but overall a new mobile mmo experience, that's my pick although any of the above have some good moments, too.

StarSyth · July 2011

1. Hardest MMO - EvE Online - Every other mmo out there can be picked up and be mastered in a day. EvE's learning curves require much more from the gamer as they have to phyiscally learn a new method of gameplay.

2. Best PVP - Conquer Online - So old and outdated now, still has a massive following however the CP store has basically destroyed the game. Years ago however it was THE pvp game of its time. The whole game revolved around its weekly Guild war and the open world PvP between allies and enermies. Its too ruthless to be allowed in todays gaming due to cyberbullying xD.

3. Best PVE - World of Warcraft - WoW took scripted dunegons too where they are today, it combined the rich context from the warcraft francies and combined it with a game that was and still is better than anything of its kind. Before WoW glitchy bug riddled games and crappy content was considered exceptable, WoW was the game to change all that with its polish and depth.

4. Best Dev Customer Service - EvE Online, It may take them a while but they always get the issues resolved and for a game with alot of risk and reward they handle case by case well.

5. Most Polished - Present day would be EvE online. I didnt play Black Prophecy much however they had some rocking graphics too which could rival EvE if they dont keep up.

6. Brightest Future - Perpetuum Online, It started out being acused of being nothing more than an EvE clone with Mechs, thats what they said about WoW and Everquest. EvE for me is moving to far away from its origins of niche space combat sandbox. Perpetuum has already increased its population dramatically after the "riots" in eve over their item mall scheme. I prefer combat in Perpetuum to EvE online (a game ive played since 03 with great success in pvp may I add). To me the addition of terrain adds a missing element that EvE lacks, fixing alot of the issues with enermies just warping away too ( no warping across land from point a to point b) so I think with time Perpetuum could be bigger than EvE Online.

7. Most Intense - Heroes of Newerth, Its not an MMORPG but if LoL is listed then I dont see why this game shouldnt be. No other game on the market offers E-Sport standards such as team tactics, gameplay strategies and ranking systems. Its the only game out presently that I care about my stats on and has enough about it to make me want to improve, its a skilled game for skilled teams. Nothing makes me rage harder or feel such highs as Heroes of Newerth presently.... also no content dragged out over 1/2 a year of grind either :P

8. Easiest - Atlantica online - If it was alittle more complicated I would love it, however its just too easy. Tactical gameplay similar to chess would be awsome however its more like playing a game of drafts... still tactical but nothing you want to do 100 times over each and every day. Just my opinion but its far too easy.

Hope you like my 8, hopefully I have some games in that are not just the generic choice for each topic. Looking forward to what others have to say :P

StarSyth

blazin-ace · July 2011

I can’t predict how future games will pan out. Looking at the current market:

1) Hardest: EVE Online – Steep learning curve. ISK earning mechanics are akin to a second day job. Social Darwinism is the rule rather than the exception.

2) Best PVP: Guild Wars – Balanced. Good Variety. Challenging. Honorable Mention: Global Agenda.

3) Best PVE: LOTRO – Good quests and story. Role-Play. Skirmishes! A variety of PVE activities: Housing, Festivals, Make/Play Music, Crafting, and Costumes.

4) Best Customer Service – LOTRO. As a “subscriber” I got direct GM service when needed within 15 to 30 minutes each time. That’s never happened in another game.

5) Most Polished: LOTRO right now. A year ago, I would have said EVE Online but they have fallen a terrible long way (from server crashes and database errors to poor optimization) in recent months.

6) Brightest Future: None. I see games maintaining a steady player base but none that are really growing at an impressive rate.

7) Most Intense: None. I’ve been in some great battles but it has been a long time since I walked or was carted away from playing all ready to quote Serious Sam.

8) Easiest: WoW. It’s simple and straight forward to play while being just engaging enough to keep people hooked.

MedeirosAN · July 2011

2. Best PVP - DAOC

3. Best PVE - DAOC (old school dragon raids )

5. Most Polished (overall) - WoW

6. Brightest Future - DAOC 2 (I wish).....but Guild Wars 2.

8. Easiest - WoW

Now to be fair, my resume isn't that impressive. I was a longtime DAOC player so my heart is influencing most of these

channel84 · July 2011

1. Hardest MMO - eve online (learning curve + ruthless world and player =not-your-daily/faction-grind-to-ownage)

2. Best PVP - guild war (competitive e sport standard = not-your-zerg-the-fort-type)

3. Best PVE - uncharted water online (scale of the world + unique setting = i feel like christopher columbus)

4. Best Dev Customer Service- League of Legend (dev really care for the community and explain everything to them)

5. Most Polished (overall)- WoW (after so many years of polishing and polishing and polishing...well u get my drift)

6. Brightest Future- aion (version 3.0 feature housing and stuff + huge pop of eastern gamers funding dev)

7. Most Intense- Knight Online (faction who win weekly battle get to invade losing sides homeland = a few hours of mayhem and massacre for lower level characters on the loser side)

8. Easiest- Rift (my brain freeze from too much mundane quest)

AIMonster · July 2011

Originally posted by Aesper
Hey everyone. Just want to get everyones opinion on the best of the best in MMOs based on category. Let's hear some positive things for a change

1. Hardest MMO - Why?

2. Best PVP - Why?

3. Best PVE - Why?

4. Best Dev Customer Service

5. Most Polished (overall)

6. Brightest Future

7. Most Intense

8. Easiest

1. Hardest MMO - EVE Online - simply has the most difficult learning curve out of all of them. Not necessarily hard for all good reasons, but it's also hard for good reasons too.

2. Best PvP - Planetside - MMOs have horrible PvP due to vertical progression making PvP play very unbalanced. Guild Wars would be close if you consider it a MMO.

3. Best PvE - World of Warcraft - Has lots of content and it's all very well designed. Nothing really comes close. Original EQ and EQ2 have more content, but not all of it is as high quality as WoW's in my opinion.

4. Best Dev Customer Service - Trion - Have had the best experience with Trion in terms of speed and quality of customer service.

5. Most Polished (overall) - World of Warcraft - Everything in the game is well designed from a game design standpoint and obviously went through lots of testing overall. Patches are generally very good. Hotfixes to major problems are applied extremely quickly.

6. Brightest Future - Guild Wars 2 - It looks like it could compete directly with WoW, and it doesn't even had to do that considering it uses a different payment model that will increase it's accessibility to more people.

7. Most Intense - Age of Conan - I had some pretty intense moments playing the game, and the mature setting adds to the intensity.

8. Easiest - World of Warcraft - While some content in WoW is difficult, it's usually nerfed down to the point where everyone can do it right before the release of new content. I feel like Heroics and Raids will always be in a state where they could be completed by almost anyone right before an expansion. Rift is also starting to go this route too, where it generally had hard dungeons they got nerfed to the point where anyone can complete them without much of a challenge and minimal gear. I don't really think of this as a "best of" quality.

Some additional categories:

9. Best F2P (overall) - Eden Eternal - Runes of Magic/Atlantica Online both come close here, but I think Eden Eternal specifically doesn't have an extreme reliance on the cash shop so it wins out in the end.

10. Best Graphically - Age of Conan - It still looks fantastic both in style and the engine itself.

11. The F2P payment model everyone should use - League of Legends/Bloodline Champions - While not MMOs, more companies should attempt to use a non-power buy payment system for their F2P games, which as far as I know hasn't been done in an actual MMO yet.

12. Best payment model (overall) - Guild Wars - Proof you don't need subscription fees to manage a game.

13. Best Art Style - Guild Wars 2 - The painterly look is fairly unique to MMOs and from what I've seen GW2 will make extremely good use of it without pushing tech too much.

14. Best Theme - The Secret World - Lovecraftian style horror, ARG style mystery, and a modern day setting based off known conspiracy theories? It's a great break from the standard fare fantasy and Sci-Fi games.

Agnostic42 · July 2011

1. Hardest MMO -

I haven't ever played an MMO where I had the feeling it was too hard. Maybe hard to want to play, but never hard.

2. Best PVP -

Vanilla WoW before battleground or Arenas. I led a guild that would scour the country side and take over Menethil Harbor and sneak into Gnomeregan and take over the Alliance towns all the way from there to Southshore, when we got to Southshore we would mage portal from inside the tavern to Orgrimar. Took hours and everyone had a blast.

Sullon Zek server on EQ1 was a blast as well.

3. Best PVE -

Everquest. There was never a specific place to level or a linear path in questing. If you wanted exp, you found a spot and got exp.

4. Best Dev Customer Service -

I would have to say WoW or EQ. I have had to have complete accounts recreated on both games. Once in EQ my, then 3 year old son, deleted all of my characters. A GM got them all back to me within 2 hours.

5. Most Polished (overall) -

WoW or Rift.

6. Brightest Future -

EQ Next, hey, I'm hopeful.

7. Most Intense -

EQ1 during Kunark and Velious days playing a CC'ing Enchanter, one screw up and everyone wipes. If you survived everyone praised you, if you wiped, everyone hated you.

8. Easiest -

WoW or Rift

mindw0rk · July 2011

Some options you asked suck, so I added few mine:

Hardest MMO - EVE Online

Best PvP - EVE Online, Guild Wars

Best PvE - WoW

Most polished - WoW/LoTRO

Best graphics - TERA

Best music - Lineage 2

Best community - LoTRO RP servers

Best world design - TERA

Most unique - EVE Online

Best combat system - Age of Conan

Best future MMO - Guild Wars 2

Best developer - CCP

gotha · July 2011

1. Hardest MMO - Eve online, I do not like spread sheets

2. Best PVP -UO, simple but hard to master

3. Best PVE - AOC, combat and dungeons

4. Best Dev Customer Service WoW

5. Most Polished (overall) Lotro

6. Brightest Future gw2

7. Most Intense darkfall

8. Easiest wow

9: best combat, dcuo

lac1994 · July 2011

1. Hardest MMO - EvE Online

2. Best PVP - WoW

3. Best PVE - WoW

4. Best Dev Customer Service - WoW

5. Most Polished - WoW

6. Brightest Future - Guild Wars 2

7. Most Intense - WoW

8. Easiest - Runescape

Draemos · July 2011

1. Hardest MMO - Eve. There is just a ton of stuff to learn.

2. Best PVP - Darkfall. FPS combat plus consequential PvP in a massive open world environment.

3. Best PVE - WoW (for combat/equipment/raids), LOTRO (for features)

4. Best Dev Customer Service - WoW. I've always had positive experiences w/ their GMs

5. Most Polished - LOTRO.

6. Brightest Future - For growth? Perpettum. I think AoC is probably the best game out that isn't doing as well as it should be... but Honestly all the current releases are in a state of decay or will never grow into anything particularly large. SWTOR and/or GW2 will probably be the future.

7. Most Intense - Darkfall. Full loot, open world PvP. Gets your blood pumping. Eve comes in second, when you can actually find a fight.

8. Easiest - Rift. Cut & Paste PvE on top of being able to swap between multiple builds at the drop of a hat. Talk about a joke. Champions Online can be a pretty huge joke too, unless you use thematic builds, offensive passives, and up the difficulty to Elite.

just1opinion · July 2011

1. Hardest MMO - Why?--- EVE and Fallen Earth for different reasons. FE is challenging for me at higher levels, and EVE is just hard to keep wanting to play and learning about. It's not that it's boring it's just too much trouble.

2. Best PVP - Why? ---Absolutely Vanilla WoW before BGs and arenas. Why? Because people PvP'd because they just WANTED to do it and it was just so much fun and so free feeling.

3. Best PVE - Why?--- For me, EQ2. Why? Because of all the little things (and there are so many)....housing, collections, the crafting, the dungeons, the appearance gear, the roleplaying community. I really enjoy EQ2, but I don't care for raiding and I'm no gear grinder type, but I do love all the extra "stuff" in EQ2.

4. Best Dev Customer Service ---USED TO BE WoW when WoW was new, now I'd say Fallen Earth (or at least a year ago when I was playing)

5. Most Polished (overall)--- WoW (even though it is NOT my favorite game).

6. Brightest Future ---GW2 hands down

7. Most Intense ---any GOOD GAME that is new to me and fresh

8. Easiest--- WoW leveling.....snorefest, seriously. (to me)

Coldmeat · July 2011

Some interesting, and really strange, replies here.

1. Hardest MMO - Almost all of them have zero death penalty, so the only limit to progression is time. So, I'd say old EQ, or Final Fantasy XI. Not only was xp hard to come by, but if you died, you lost xp, and could lose a level(s).

2. Best PVP - Either Sullon Zek in EQ, or DAoC. I liked the pace of combat in EQ. It wasn't two hits, and you're dead like some games. Later on they ruined it with the Wizard/Necro spells that basically let you one-shot someone once an hour. Even with all it's flaws, I had some wild fun in DAoC. Zipping around with my skald was a riot.

3. Best PVE - This is sort of like asking which version of hepatitis is best, but eh. It's a toss up. WoW now has some of the most highly polished pve out there, Outlands notwithstanding. It's almost too polished, though. You can pretty much sleepwalk to level 85 in a week, or two. I'd give it to Vanguard, if it weren't in such sad shape. As it stands, probably EQ2.

4. Best Dev Customer Service Probably Blizzard. They've always been polite, professional, and courteous when I've had to deal with a GM. Old school EQ GMs, and the volunteers could be a mixed bag, but I had some really good interactions with them as well.

5. Most Polished Definitely WoW. Though, I don't think it's a good thing. EQ2 is a close second.

6. Brightest Future There's not really anything in the current crop. I'd say SWTOR, or GW2.

7. Most Intense DAoC. Running around in the Frontier was exciting. Other than that, EQ. The first time I ran my dark elf out to Everfrost at like level 12, I thought I was gonna pee myself I was so tense.

8. Easiest Of the AAA titles, WoW. Otherwise, Grenado Espada, since you can get it to all but play itself.

Zooce · July 2011

Originally posted by agnostic4eve
2. Best PVP -

Vanilla WoW before battleground or Arenas. I led a guild that would scour the country side and take over Menethil Harbor and sneak into Gnomeregan and take over the Alliance towns all the way from there to Southshore, when we got to Southshore we would mage portal from inside the tavern to Orgrimar. Took hours and everyone had a blast.

Your post reminded me of some of my favorite times playing WoW. Those back-and-forth battles between Tauren Mill and Southshore before instanced pvp existed were epic. Also the fight in Alterac Valley when it was released would sometimes last all night. Back then it was about the actual PvP and not grinding tokens. I still stand by my choice of Asheron's Call (then), Darkfall (now) for best PvP games, but WoW definately had its moments.

Kilrane · July 2011

1. Hardest MMO - Wurm Online, every little thing you do in that game takes a lot of time and effot. Even basic survival isn't that easy.
2. Best PVP - DAoC, three faction RvR was just TONS of fun. I wish someone would make the spiritual successor to this game.

3. Best PVE - EQ, the game was great for its time.

4. Best Dev Customer Service - WOW, when my account was hacked late last year they were quick to get everything back to normal.

5. Most Polished (overall) - WOW, Blizz has always been on top of keeping WOW fairly polished.

6. Brightest Future - EvE, regardless of the recent issue I think CCP is doing a good job (I don't really care that they sell fluff items in a cash shop now). I'm also very intrested in both Dust 514 and WoD.

7. Most Intense - DAoC, nobody has done PVP quite as well as DAoC IMO.

8. Easiest - WOW, it's always been super easy IMO. It got worse after WOTLK though.

Chimps · July 2011

You guys are adorable calling WoW difficult hahahahahha.

I know y'all WoW fanboys are pressed that everyone calls WoW easy but that's just the truth accept it, that's the only reason WoW is popular.

sirphobos · July 2011

1. Hardest MMO - EQ1. 72 (later 54) man raids. The Tipt trial is easily the hardest single group thing I've ever done in an MMO. The Avatar of War died for the first time (without using bugs to make the encounter easier) the night before the NEXT expansion came out.

2. Best PVP - DAoC - RvRvR.

3. Best PVE - EQ1. Somehow EQ made grinding feel like you weren't grinding at all. King of difficult content.

4. Best Dev Customer Service - RIFT. I was disappointed in RIFT due to repeated nerfs and lack of content, but the customer service was excellent when my account was hacked.

5. Most Polished (overall) - WoW.

6. Brightest Future - SW:TOR. Regardless of what people think about TOR on this forum, I see this game as one of two games on the horizon that actually have the potential to bring in first time MMO players, which I think is what a game has to do to succeed long run (the other is Planetside 2).

7. Most Intense - EQ1. Doing a Plane of Fear run and having the risk of losing your corpse and gear for real is about as intense as it gets.

8. Easiest - RIFT, after LFG went in and all the dungeons were nerfed.

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