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My first thoughts were what makes you so special that you should write in a different colour then everyone else! Then my second thoughts were maybe it's time for you to move on and find something else to do with your life as you appear to have grown out of MMO'ing. The fact that you see everything as either a Rift/Wow clone says it all imo you are burnt out or just plan fed up... Move on dude real simple!
Personally once you have played the game then come back and re-write what you have and it may have more credence and it's cool to use white writing too!
Asbo
You know why every MMO to come out since WoW has been failing? Because it is impossible to please a generation of kids who criticize and tear things down for fun. Kids who look for every possible way to cheat/exploit/hack a game so that they can get to the top levels first and then complain that the game lacks content, because they feel it makes them look 'too cool' for the game. They want the games to fail so that they can brag about how they 'predicted' that the game would fail from the start. The sad thing is, they might actually enjoy the game if they took the time to play it right and enjoy it, got in a guild, made some friends and looked at the good side of things rather than constantly complaining about every little thing. Luckily the next generation is bound to be a little more positive, but by that time they will probably be so put off by the negativity on the internet that they go back to playing games... outside.
Hate to get all 'old man' (I am not) but everyone wants an easy answer these days. I can't be bothered reading that book so I will look up a synopsis online, I don't want to earn fame so i will go onto reality TV etc. People crave easy fixes these days. i hope it is a blip, but it is generic. My rant over.
Chins
RIFT never flopped. Star Wars will do just fine. Guild Wars 2 will be the biggest game next year and everyone will talk about it.
It's more than that though. Everyone has looked for the 'easy' way to do things since the beginning of time. The wheel was invented because man at his heart is lazy... lol But this new generation is just so filled with hatred that as an 'old man' it kind of frightens me to think of what they'll be like when they get older, because I am seeing no signs of them maturing. And no, that doesn't go for all of them, there are good ones, but there as so many bad ones I feel that I can make blanket statements about the whole generation and be right at least 70% of the time. And what's worse it I think it is my generation's poor parenting and immaturity that has caused it.
Newsflash! RIFT has not "flopped". In fact RIFT is probably the number one MMO out right now and will only get more popular with time. If fact if RIFT had of released instead of Warcraft RIFT would have had a hell of a lot more subs than WOW ever did. Just a novice members opinion. nothing more!
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This. It's easy to join the hate bandwagon, whether it's tearing down the new game or joining the fanboy crowd. It's easy to find something you aren't happy with and project that onto the game as a whole and anyone who might be interested in it. Add to that the rampant sense of entitlement and "being special' that seems to be the norm in the generation you talk about, and you have the troll crowd.
I have to admit, I wasn't that interested in this game until recently. I played LOTRO until about a year ago when I needed a game that I could progress in while real life took presedence. I played Eve for a bit, as I have in the past whenever I left the last MMO. But the Bioware name, a story driven MMO, and the amazing setting of TOR has caught my attention. Yeah, I won't like everything in the game. There are parts that give me WoW-"PTSD". There's also a lot of really cool ideas, and frankly I'm excited about starting a new adventure in a new world. So whatever, the OP can hate, and I can continue to hope that I will enjoy this game. Because I'd like to enjoy a new game, as the point of a GAME is to provide entertainment. I get enough stress out of my job and the real world.
Look, as much as I hate 'trolling' and its recent incantaion, you people have been taken for an abolute thrill ride.
GW2 might be. But as games come closer to release all the people who think others give a poopwhat they think will just blast it too best thing to do i guess is ignore there threads and make them feel..... like idiots. in all honesty if a game can maintain some kind of profit then the game succeeded. SWG will be gone and star wars fans will play SWTOR wether they like it or not i believe anyway. Any Star Wars game is better then nothing!
I am guessing your generation is 1 or 2 above mine, in which case you excelled in excess.
Chins
I think OP's line of thought explains a lot of the hate for TOR. He's got some false, desperate hope that if TOR flops, we'll see some AAA sandbox MMOs coming out. Sorry, not happening.
BTW Rift isn't a flop.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
Obvious troll is obvious.
If you can't see the differences between WoW and TOR, then you probably can't see the differences between WoW and EQ, WoW and EQ2, WoW and Rift, etc. etc.
If these games are copies of WoW, then why do they share the same level of success as WoW?
Polish?
Rift was/is very polished, WoW (if you were there) had all kinds of ridiculous problems at launch. More polished then many games before it, but if they released original WoW today, people would call it a bug filled un-polished, un-finished mess.
Here's a hint - name recognition + pro-developer.
Warcraft license + Blizzard = "too big to fail."
There is a reason all of Blizzard's games win awards and break sales records. They make great games. Period.
Then there is Activision - Say what you want about the Call of Duty franchise, Black Ops made over a billion dollars and it much loved by millions of gamers - daily.
Enter the giant - Star Wars license + Bioware. Umm how many people do you think have heard of Warcraft pre WoW versus how many people have heard of Star Wars? 100 to 1 in favor of Star Wars, easy.
Success/fame from Bulder's Gate, Mass Effect, Kotor 1, Dragon Age, Neverwinter...
There is a reason all of Bioware's games win awards and break sales records.They make great games. Period.
Then there is EA - Say what you want about EA, Battlefield 3? Nuff said. Just in case, Madden. Oh and NCAA.
Greatest IP, great company, great publisher (forgiving past douche-bagery) if you think this game is going to flop, you need a reality check.
Sandbox games? Wow.
Check my sig and blurb by my picture - UO veteran, huge fan of real sandbox games, massive hater of EvE, SWG (though liked it for a few months) and in general a person who believes there hasn't been a good sandbox SINCE UO - Rennaissance.
You gave yourself away way too easy - sandbox games are the future? Don't make me lol.
TOR will be huge - and other devs will try and copy it forever and their games will "flop" as you put it just as "badly" as those that tried to piggy-back on WoW's success.
Why? The market for MMO games is not infinite. There are not millions of MMO players just waiting for the "perfect game" to magically appear out of thin air. People will flock to and stick with the big dawgs, the big dawgs that put out GREAT games that are much loved by millions.
There is NOTHING hip or cool about being a hipster and "hating the man" or whatever you kids call it these days.
Only game with a snowball's chance in Hell of being a "better" game (though will not sell 1/4 of the boxes) is Guild Wars 2, but it seriously might be "too different" for the average gamer.
I hope this was sarcasm.
If not, what MMO are you currently working on? What project are you currently a developer on?
I hardly doubt TOR will flop and I won't compare it with WoW since it's a diffrent game with an atmosphere of sci-fi features, which currently there is a lack of in the industry. TOR will make its mark and will become a permanent fixture years to come in my opionion. I won't be suprised that the people that are bashing TOR will end up being a full time subscriber in the future.
Not going to happen. At this point, the only threat to WoW is Blizzard (or Ghostcrawler...^^). WoW has long since reached critical mass, so much so, that I can't see any possible game "beating it". No doubt TOR will do rather well, but lets not hang "WoW killer" around its neck. That has been th kiss of death to several games so far. I seriously doubt that even Blizzard itself can duplicate WoW's success.
Sandbox games will always be niche games. The market is small, and the games that are coming up seem to only be able to get numbers by linking sandbox gameplay with FFA PVP. I just can't see a sandbox game getting to and sustaining enough subs to get a big developer to jump in.
SWTOR seems to have become a focal point for the rage sandbox fans have against AAA developers for not making games that appeal to them.
WoW is too big to kill., and the "WoW Killer" badge wasn't a kiss of death to any game... the fact that they were subpar games was the kiss of death. I played all of them prior to launch, and they were all lacking, and should have never been labeled as such. SWTOR has that potential, depending on how well it does its end-game. It really does have a reasonable chance of taking it over in total subs in the next 3-4 years, based on what I've seen. At the very least it will be a solid #2 game, and it will retain several million subs at the very least.
It's also no coincidence that Diablo 3's beta is starting right around the time that SWTOR is making it's push. Blizzard has played the game, they know its a real threat. They've been sitting on Diablo 3 for about a year now waiting to use it as leverage against SWTOR.
Sorry but that is pretty wrong statement.
I love Warhammer universe, lore and all things associated. I dropped Warhammer 2 months into release. I did play beta for a long time [1 year] in hope they will fix stuff. But they didn't and the game was bad enough for me to drop it and not touch it even with a 5 meter pole despite me loving the world.
If someone doesn't like the game - he won't play it.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
This game will not flop. On the other hand i will not be playing it until more sandbox features are put in. Everyone plays games for different reasons and I think they would do well if they catered to both types of people i.e. themepark and sandbox.
your right. guess i didnt think that all the way through. i remmeber NGE and how tramatic it was..... quit playing myself. but SWTOR has one thing better than SWG.... NO SOE!!!!
It's gamers like this that are propelling mmo's to follow the crowd in design. Game company takes the cash and puts out an updated copy of what folks are playing. Level-based with endgame or the game will be 'lacking' (what that is is anyone's guess).
Haters will be haters. Trolls will be Trolls but that OK because unimaginative thoughts of ToR can have a very positive outcome as you just seen with this post. TY OP for allowing this thread to turn into a positive thread instead of a negative thread.
OH btw Rift could not killed WoW because it was a CLONE ToR is not. lmao
one word you play what you like i play what i like if tor ant for you dont bother picking it up :P. i sure there alot of star wars fans out there that will make the game succces like it or not . every game has it fans or fan base look at everquest 2 1 its still around . so dont judge tor brecause you think it will flop . every one likes different tea and you dont like tor ok i got that next op please:P.
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