I know this is off topic but can anyone quickly explain to me why you all hate steam so much?
Im having a hardtime seeing the negative other than it needs to be running.
I can to keep all of my games in one place, i get ingame chat via text and voice and i get to meet new people through steam groups.
I just don't understand the hate.
As for origins, I dont like EAs service so i cancelled my pre-order with them and plan on waiting on a trial to mess with TOR.
Steam is in your computerz, watching your every move, stealing your privacies.
I wonder if 20 years from now, when governments start installing cameras in our homes, you'll all still be cool with the whole idea.
Because seriously, we're not too far from that.
What info are they taking? info on thegames i buy and play? wouldnt that data be helpful to them in knowing what game types to support in the future? I personally like that they recommend me games on my purchase history...
Late addition:
I guess im a newb i like to think of the benefits of using steam, like a free voice chat option in almostt all of my games so me and my clan can chat while we game, things like achievements and the convenience of keeping all of my games together and updated. Shit Steam even updates my AMD display drivers now lol.
For all of that their service offers me that i dont have to pay for unlike ones from microsoft, the least i can do is give them some of my activity data so they could make my future experience better.
Maybe im missing something, are they giving my CC info away? will i be getting physical mail sent to my house because of steam? lol
I would be with you if the benefit was just tailoring a better experience for you, recommending things you might like based on what your browse, buy, etc.
What I don't like is, they SELL all that data to anyone who will buy it. They make millions a year off of selling your personal browsing, activity etc data.
If the information was used for their own purposes to just try to sell you more, I wouldn't mind. Kind of like amazon does. I've discovered a few gems that I would never have found if they didn't recommend them. From what i understand, they (amazon) does not sell your infomation to outside companies like with steam, but use it solely for their own marketing purposes.
Now that would kind of annoy me a little if i was actually paying monthly for the steam client like i do with Xbox live.
By now if you've been following this, or just about anything EA. You know of the disaster that is Origin and its outright spyware level policies employed in its EULA.
I dont have links specifically but mainly because the main sources of information deleted threads when they turned into flamewars. Look for clause or article 9 of the EULA of this program for what were talking about.
Until it was cleared up very recently it was assumed that EA would require origin. (About two days ago) The game will not require origin but that should not stop people from protesting this service. It is required for BF 3 and the new Need for speed. This service is a breach of security on a level i havent seen out of a company in a long time. Even without this game requiring origin i have strong reservations of buying it now.
EA was dead to me years ago. Bioware brought EA back from the dead. Now its closing back on me putting the final nail in the coffin. Origin is the single greatest threat to your computer's security you can willingly and knowingly inflict on it. If origin had been required for this game i doubt many who read this thread would have kept their pre orders. What id like to know is who would have kept their preorders?
EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER ARE DOING IT AND MUCH WORSE...
Googles sells and uses every thing from your searches to the contents of your emails and the sites you vist for advertisments, statistics, and other services to generate revenue.
Your ISP does simmilar things with your traffic, including redirection to specific ad sites and DNS tampering
Your cell provider tracks your wearabouts
Your credit card company is selling your credit history and purchusing habbits to the highest bidder
You are willingly give sensetive information such as CC info, ID numbers, and other stuff over the phone, many times in public places...
And you are scared that EA will have your IP address and proccessor info? you do realize they gather all that any how via the game client?
P.S.
Here is a nice quotation from the TOS of WoW, section D is really nice...
Acknowledgments.
You hereby acknowledge and agree that:
A. WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) AND/OR CPU PROCESSES FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH WORLD OF WARCRAFT. AN “UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM” AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE THAT, WHEN USED SIMULTANEOUSLY OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE GAME, WOULD CONSTITUTE A VIOLATION OF SECTIONS 1, 2 OR 7. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, BLIZZARD MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM WAS DETECTED; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER ANY BLIZZARD AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER.
B. WHEN THE GAME IS RUNNING, BLIZZARD MAY OBTAIN CERTAIN IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR COMPUTER, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR HARD DRIVES, CENTRAL PROCESSING UNIT, IP ADDRESS(ES) AND OPERATING SYSTEM(S), FOR PURPOSES OF IMPROVING THE GAME AND/OR THE SERVICE, AND TO POLICE AND ENFORCE THE PROVISIONS OF ANY BLIZZARD AGREEMENT.
C. Blizzard may, with or without notice to you, disclose your Internet Protocol (IP) address(es), personal information, chat logs, and other information about you and your activities: (a) in response to a request by law enforcement, a court order or other legal process; or (b) if Blizzard believes that doing so may protect your safety or the safety of others.
D. BLIZZARD MAY MONITOR, RECORD, REVIEW, MODIFY AND/OR DISCLOSE YOUR CHAT SESSIONS, WHETHER VOICE OR TEXT, WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU, AND YOU HEREBY CONSENT TO SUCH MONITORING, RECORDING, REVIEW, MODIFICATION AND/OR DISCLOSURE. Additionally, you acknowledge that Blizzard is under no obligation to monitor your electronic communications, and you engage in those communications at your own risk.
By now if you've been following this, or just about anything EA. You know of the disaster that is Origin and its outright spyware level policies employed in its EULA.
I dont have links specifically but mainly because the main sources of information deleted threads when they turned into flamewars. Look for clause or article 9 of the EULA of this program for what were talking about.
Until it was cleared up very recently it was assumed that EA would require origin. (About two days ago) The game will not require origin but that should not stop people from protesting this service. It is required for BF 3 and the new Need for speed. This service is a breach of security on a level i havent seen out of a company in a long time. Even without this game requiring origin i have strong reservations of buying it now.
EA was dead to me years ago. Bioware brought EA back from the dead. Now its closing back on me putting the final nail in the coffin. Origin is the single greatest threat to your computer's security you can willingly and knowingly inflict on it. If origin had been required for this game i doubt many who read this thread would have kept their pre orders. What id like to know is who would have kept their preorders?
EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER ARE DOING IT AND MUCH WORSE...
Googles sells and uses every thing from your searches to the contents of your emails and the sites you vist for advertisments, statistics, and other services to generate revenue.
Your ISP does simmilar things with your traffic, including redirection to specific ad sites and DNS tampering
Your cell provider tracks your wearabouts
Your credit card company is selling your credit history and purchusing habbits to the highest bidder
You are willingly give sensetive information such as CC info, ID numbers, and other stuff over the phone, many times in public places...
And you are scared that EA will have your IP address and proccessor info? you do realize they gather all that any how via the game client?
P.S.
Here is a nice quotation from the TOS of WoW, section D is really nice...
Acknowledgments.
You hereby acknowledge and agree that:
A. WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) AND/OR CPU PROCESSES FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH WORLD OF WARCRAFT. AN “UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM” AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE THAT, WHEN USED SIMULTANEOUSLY OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE GAME, WOULD CONSTITUTE A VIOLATION OF SECTIONS 1, 2 OR 7. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, BLIZZARD MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM WAS DETECTED; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER ANY BLIZZARD AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER.
B. WHEN THE GAME IS RUNNING, BLIZZARD MAY OBTAIN CERTAIN IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR COMPUTER, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR HARD DRIVES, CENTRAL PROCESSING UNIT, IP ADDRESS(ES) AND OPERATING SYSTEM(S), FOR PURPOSES OF IMPROVING THE GAME AND/OR THE SERVICE, AND TO POLICE AND ENFORCE THE PROVISIONS OF ANY BLIZZARD AGREEMENT.
C. Blizzard may, with or without notice to you, disclose your Internet Protocol (IP) address(es), personal information, chat logs, and other information about you and your activities: (a) in response to a request by law enforcement, a court order or other legal process; or (b) if Blizzard believes that doing so may protect your safety or the safety of others.
D. BLIZZARD MAY MONITOR, RECORD, REVIEW, MODIFY AND/OR DISCLOSE YOUR CHAT SESSIONS, WHETHER VOICE OR TEXT, WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU, AND YOU HEREBY CONSENT TO SUCH MONITORING, RECORDING, REVIEW, MODIFICATION AND/OR DISCLOSURE. Additionally, you acknowledge that Blizzard is under no obligation to monitor your electronic communications, and you engage in those communications at your own risk.
EA is scanning your whole hardrive to know the software you have installed. Noone else is doing that.
By now if you've been following this, or just about anything EA. You know of the disaster that is Origin and its outright spyware level policies employed in its EULA.
I dont have links specifically but mainly because the main sources of information deleted threads when they turned into flamewars. Look for clause or article 9 of the EULA of this program for what were talking about.
Until it was cleared up very recently it was assumed that EA would require origin. (About two days ago) The game will not require origin but that should not stop people from protesting this service. It is required for BF 3 and the new Need for speed. This service is a breach of security on a level i havent seen out of a company in a long time. Even without this game requiring origin i have strong reservations of buying it now.
EA was dead to me years ago. Bioware brought EA back from the dead. Now its closing back on me putting the final nail in the coffin. Origin is the single greatest threat to your computer's security you can willingly and knowingly inflict on it. If origin had been required for this game i doubt many who read this thread would have kept their pre orders. What id like to know is who would have kept their preorders?
EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER ARE DOING IT AND MUCH WORSE...
Googles sells and uses every thing from your searches to the contents of your emails and the sites you vist for advertisments, statistics, and other services to generate revenue.
Your ISP does simmilar things with your traffic, including redirection to specific ad sites and DNS tampering
Your cell provider tracks your wearabouts
Your credit card company is selling your credit history and purchusing habbits to the highest bidder
You are willingly give sensetive information such as CC info, ID numbers, and other stuff over the phone, many times in public places...
And you are scared that EA will have your IP address and proccessor info? you do realize they gather all that any how via the game client?
P.S.
Here is a nice quotation from the TOS of WoW, section D is really nice...
Acknowledgments.
You hereby acknowledge and agree that:
A. WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) AND/OR CPU PROCESSES FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH WORLD OF WARCRAFT. AN “UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM” AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE THAT, WHEN USED SIMULTANEOUSLY OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE GAME, WOULD CONSTITUTE A VIOLATION OF SECTIONS 1, 2 OR 7. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, BLIZZARD MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM WAS DETECTED; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER ANY BLIZZARD AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER.
B. WHEN THE GAME IS RUNNING, BLIZZARD MAY OBTAIN CERTAIN IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR COMPUTER, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR HARD DRIVES, CENTRAL PROCESSING UNIT, IP ADDRESS(ES) AND OPERATING SYSTEM(S), FOR PURPOSES OF IMPROVING THE GAME AND/OR THE SERVICE, AND TO POLICE AND ENFORCE THE PROVISIONS OF ANY BLIZZARD AGREEMENT.
C. Blizzard may, with or without notice to you, disclose your Internet Protocol (IP) address(es), personal information, chat logs, and other information about you and your activities: (a) in response to a request by law enforcement, a court order or other legal process; or (b) if Blizzard believes that doing so may protect your safety or the safety of others.
D. BLIZZARD MAY MONITOR, RECORD, REVIEW, MODIFY AND/OR DISCLOSE YOUR CHAT SESSIONS, WHETHER VOICE OR TEXT, WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU, AND YOU HEREBY CONSENT TO SUCH MONITORING, RECORDING, REVIEW, MODIFICATION AND/OR DISCLOSURE. Additionally, you acknowledge that Blizzard is under no obligation to monitor your electronic communications, and you engage in those communications at your own risk.
EA is scanning your whole hardrive to know the software you have installed. Noone else is doing that.
Even with out the ToS and Warden the crash report for WoW and SC2 does it for sure, it sends a full system summary which has in it a list of all installed software, and the ToS allows them to gather any and all information about your computer, including the data you have stored in RAM, which can be any thing from the webpage you have loaded in the backround to the creditcard info from the site you just visited that is for some reason in you clipboard...
P.S the Rift ripping of WoW jokes can continue, their ToS looks like it was copied word for word th i am pretty sure its a general ToS for all online games these days...
22. Acknowledgements
You hereby acknowledge and agree that:
A. WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) AND/OR CPU PROCESSES (INCLUDING MAC ADDRESS, SYSTEM OR CONFIGURATION FILES, CRASH DATA, ETC.) FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH A GAME. AN “UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM” AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE THAT, WHEN USED SIMULTANEOUSLY OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE GAME, WOULD CONSTITUTE A VIOLATION OF SECTIONS 1, 2 OR 11. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, TRION MAY (I) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO TRION, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE ACCOUNT INFORMATION, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM WAS DETECTED; AND/OR (II) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER ANY TRION AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER.
B. WHEN THE GAME IS RUNNING, TRION MAY OBTAIN CERTAIN IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR COMPUTER, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR HARD DRIVES, CENTRAL PROCESSING UNIT, IP ADDRESS(ES) AND OPERATING SYSTEM(S), FOR PURPOSES OF IMPROVING THE GAME AND/OR THE SERVICE, AND TO POLICE AND ENFORCE THE PROVISIONS OF ANY TRION AGREEMENT.
C. Trion may, with or without notice to you, disclose your Internet Protocol (IP) address(es), personal information, chat logs, and other information about you and your activities: (a) in response to a request by law enforcement, a court order or other legal process; or (b) if Trion believes that doing so may protect your safety or the safety of others.
D. TRION MAY MONITOR, RECORD, REVIEW, MODIFY AND/OR DISCLOSE YOUR CHAT SESSIONS, WHETHER VOICE OR TEXT, WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU, AND YOU HEREBY CONSENT TO SUCH MONITORING, RECORDING, REVIEW, MODIFICATION AND/OR DISCLOSURE. Additionally, you acknowledge that Trion is under no obligation to monitor your electronic communications, and you engage in those communications at your own risk and with no expectation of privacy.
By now if you've been following this, or just about anything EA. You know of the disaster that is Origin and its outright spyware level policies employed in its EULA.
I dont have links specifically but mainly because the main sources of information deleted threads when they turned into flamewars. Look for clause or article 9 of the EULA of this program for what were talking about.
Until it was cleared up very recently it was assumed that EA would require origin. (About two days ago) The game will not require origin but that should not stop people from protesting this service. It is required for BF 3 and the new Need for speed. This service is a breach of security on a level i havent seen out of a company in a long time. Even without this game requiring origin i have strong reservations of buying it now.
EA was dead to me years ago. Bioware brought EA back from the dead. Now its closing back on me putting the final nail in the coffin. Origin is the single greatest threat to your computer's security you can willingly and knowingly inflict on it. If origin had been required for this game i doubt many who read this thread would have kept their pre orders. What id like to know is who would have kept their preorders?
EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER ARE DOING IT AND MUCH WORSE...
Googles sells and uses every thing from your searches to the contents of your emails and the sites you vist for advertisments, statistics, and other services to generate revenue.
Your ISP does simmilar things with your traffic, including redirection to specific ad sites and DNS tampering
Your cell provider tracks your wearabouts
Your credit card company is selling your credit history and purchusing habbits to the highest bidder
You are willingly give sensetive information such as CC info, ID numbers, and other stuff over the phone, many times in public places...
And you are scared that EA will have your IP address and proccessor info? you do realize they gather all that any how via the game client?
P.S.
Here is a nice quotation from the TOS of WoW, section D is really nice...
Acknowledgments.
You hereby acknowledge and agree that:
A. WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) AND/OR CPU PROCESSES FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH WORLD OF WARCRAFT. AN “UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM” AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE THAT, WHEN USED SIMULTANEOUSLY OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE GAME, WOULD CONSTITUTE A VIOLATION OF SECTIONS 1, 2 OR 7. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, BLIZZARD MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM WAS DETECTED; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER ANY BLIZZARD AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER.
B. WHEN THE GAME IS RUNNING, BLIZZARD MAY OBTAIN CERTAIN IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR COMPUTER, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR HARD DRIVES, CENTRAL PROCESSING UNIT, IP ADDRESS(ES) AND OPERATING SYSTEM(S), FOR PURPOSES OF IMPROVING THE GAME AND/OR THE SERVICE, AND TO POLICE AND ENFORCE THE PROVISIONS OF ANY BLIZZARD AGREEMENT.
C. Blizzard may, with or without notice to you, disclose your Internet Protocol (IP) address(es), personal information, chat logs, and other information about you and your activities: (a) in response to a request by law enforcement, a court order or other legal process; or (b) if Blizzard believes that doing so may protect your safety or the safety of others.
D. BLIZZARD MAY MONITOR, RECORD, REVIEW, MODIFY AND/OR DISCLOSE YOUR CHAT SESSIONS, WHETHER VOICE OR TEXT, WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU, AND YOU HEREBY CONSENT TO SUCH MONITORING, RECORDING, REVIEW, MODIFICATION AND/OR DISCLOSURE. Additionally, you acknowledge that Blizzard is under no obligation to monitor your electronic communications, and you engage in those communications at your own risk.
EA is scanning your whole hardrive to know the software you have installed. Noone else is doing that.
Stop pirating games?
So people not wanting their HD scanned are suspect of doing ilegal activities? What kind of a twisted logic are they teaching you in school?
Lucky for me I guess that I do not buy any games digitally. Also have to agree with many of the other responders that Steam is hardly any better I almost downloaded it years ago until I read some of the insane terms of use and thought "wow you either need to live in the middle of Siberia or be really lazy to deal with crap like this when you can just go buy the game and tell the store to kiss your ass when they ask for personal info (which I always do).
to be honest I have no clue what the op is talking about that Origin does so differently than Steam and he conveniently doesn't even say what it is either....
SWTOR was dead to me soon as I realized the combat was the same as Rift or WoW. It could have the best visuals in the entire video game industry, 1.5 seconds between every action puts me to sleep. Especially when deciding what action to take is a pretty mindless excercise in itself. No, they did not trade speed or twitch for more strategy based gameplay. Give it up.
EA has been dead to me ever since they shut down EnB.
As for the OP, I don't think its so much that it will require origin, its what was recently learned what Origin does exactly, rather than vague descriptions from the company.
Please. This is stupid. So you people are honestly saying you do not use any program, play game or subscribe to any service that doesn't do pretty much the same thing as origin? Highly doubtful. Spend some time looking through the user agreements for Windows if you don't believe me. Then go ahead and check every game you own as well. The user agreements, especially for the more recent on-line programs are darned near identical and give the owner of the program a HUGE leeway into looking at your computer if they want. The only way around it is to design ALL your own programs and use then exclusively. Good luck with that.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
By now if you've been following this, or just about anything EA. You know of the disaster that is Origin and its outright spyware level policies employed in its EULA.
I dont have links specifically but mainly because the main sources of information deleted threads when they turned into flamewars. Look for clause or article 9 of the EULA of this program for what were talking about.
Until it was cleared up very recently it was assumed that EA would require origin. (About two days ago) The game will not require origin but that should not stop people from protesting this service. It is required for BF 3 and the new Need for speed. This service is a breach of security on a level i havent seen out of a company in a long time. Even without this game requiring origin i have strong reservations of buying it now.
EA was dead to me years ago. Bioware brought EA back from the dead. Now its closing back on me putting the final nail in the coffin. Origin is the single greatest threat to your computer's security you can willingly and knowingly inflict on it. If origin had been required for this game i doubt many who read this thread would have kept their pre orders. What id like to know is who would have kept their preorders?
I would seriously do almost anything to get the last 5 minutes of my life back that I spent reading that...
Incognito www.incognito-gaming.us "You're either with us or against us"
By now if you've been following this, or just about anything EA. You know of the disaster that is Origin and its outright spyware level policies employed in its EULA.
I dont have links specifically but mainly because the main sources of information deleted threads when they turned into flamewars. Look for clause or article 9 of the EULA of this program for what were talking about.
Until it was cleared up very recently it was assumed that EA would require origin. (About two days ago) The game will not require origin but that should not stop people from protesting this service. It is required for BF 3 and the new Need for speed. This service is a breach of security on a level i havent seen out of a company in a long time. Even without this game requiring origin i have strong reservations of buying it now.
EA was dead to me years ago. Bioware brought EA back from the dead. Now its closing back on me putting the final nail in the coffin. Origin is the single greatest threat to your computer's security you can willingly and knowingly inflict on it. If origin had been required for this game i doubt many who read this thread would have kept their pre orders. What id like to know is who would have kept their preorders?
EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER ARE DOING IT AND MUCH WORSE...
Googles sells and uses every thing from your searches to the contents of your emails and the sites you vist for advertisments, statistics, and other services to generate revenue.
Your ISP does simmilar things with your traffic, including redirection to specific ad sites and DNS tampering
Your cell provider tracks your wearabouts
Your credit card company is selling your credit history and purchusing habbits to the highest bidder
You are willingly give sensetive information such as CC info, ID numbers, and other stuff over the phone, many times in public places...
And you are scared that EA will have your IP address and proccessor info? you do realize they gather all that any how via the game client?
P.S.
Here is a nice quotation from the TOS of WoW, section D is really nice...
Acknowledgments.
You hereby acknowledge and agree that:
A. WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) AND/OR CPU PROCESSES FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH WORLD OF WARCRAFT. AN “UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM” AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE THAT, WHEN USED SIMULTANEOUSLY OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE GAME, WOULD CONSTITUTE A VIOLATION OF SECTIONS 1, 2 OR 7. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, BLIZZARD MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM WAS DETECTED; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER ANY BLIZZARD AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER.
B. WHEN THE GAME IS RUNNING, BLIZZARD MAY OBTAIN CERTAIN IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR COMPUTER, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR HARD DRIVES, CENTRAL PROCESSING UNIT, IP ADDRESS(ES) AND OPERATING SYSTEM(S), FOR PURPOSES OF IMPROVING THE GAME AND/OR THE SERVICE, AND TO POLICE AND ENFORCE THE PROVISIONS OF ANY BLIZZARD AGREEMENT.
C. Blizzard may, with or without notice to you, disclose your Internet Protocol (IP) address(es), personal information, chat logs, and other information about you and your activities: (a) in response to a request by law enforcement, a court order or other legal process; or (b) if Blizzard believes that doing so may protect your safety or the safety of others.
D. BLIZZARD MAY MONITOR, RECORD, REVIEW, MODIFY AND/OR DISCLOSE YOUR CHAT SESSIONS, WHETHER VOICE OR TEXT, WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU, AND YOU HEREBY CONSENT TO SUCH MONITORING, RECORDING, REVIEW, MODIFICATION AND/OR DISCLOSURE. Additionally, you acknowledge that Blizzard is under no obligation to monitor your electronic communications, and you engage in those communications at your own risk.
EA is scanning your whole hardrive to know the software you have installed. Noone else is doing that.
Stop pirating games?
So people not wanting their HD scanned are suspect of doing ilegal activities? What kind of a twisted logic are they teaching you in school?
Either that or you have a shit PC and get slow down when the scan happens. Again stop stealing shit and/or get a better PC.
What part of this am I supposed to be worried about? That's my question, I only need privacy when I want to keep something private. What games, movies, songs or Art I have stored on my harddrive is not one of my major privacy concerns. What they find wouldn't be any different than the info I'd willingly handout during a survey. Besides if it's that much of a concern to you, just don't use the service and decline the agreement.
In the end, If they end up breaking laws,abusing clients etc.. let them rot, otherwise I expect the worst from EA and their ilk anyway, another day in paradise, nothing new here.etc... This is the last place I would react if I did have a problem with something like this.
To SB fans, please stop making our demographic look bad.Stop invading threads that have nothing to do with sandboxes.
What part of this am I supposed to be worried about? That's my question, I only need privacy when I want to keep something private. What games, movies, songs or Art I have stored on my harddrive is not one of my major privacy concerns. What they find wouldn't be any different than the info I'd willingly handout during a survey. Besides if it's that much of a concern to you, just don't use the service and decline the agreement.
In the end, If they end up breaking laws,abusing clients etc.. let them rot, otherwise I expect the worst from EA and their ilk anyway, another day in paradise, nothing new here.etc... This is the last place I would react if I did have a problem with something like this.
I figured it out.
The evil EA is trying to steal our sex tapes of our computers and sell them on sexbay!!!
What part of this am I supposed to be worried about? That's my question, I only need privacy when I want to keep something private. What games, movies, songs or Art I have stored on my harddrive is not one of my major privacy concerns. What they find wouldn't be any different than the info I'd willingly handout during a survey. Besides if it's that much of a concern to you, just don't use the service and decline the agreement.
In the end, If they end up breaking laws,abusing clients etc.. let them rot, otherwise I expect the worst from EA and their ilk anyway, another day in paradise, nothing new here.etc... This is the last place I would react if I did have a problem with something like this.
I figured it out.
The evil EA is trying to steal our sex tapes of our computers and sell them on sexbay!!!
I have an honest question. If I buy the game box at retail, bring it home, install and use, am I in any kind of real risk regarding privacy and security?
The OP mentioned something about about EA being bad for your PC. Im confused how this actually works? I dont ever download anything. I just buy the box. I prefer it that way as I see no real advantage to buying online. Besides having to go to the store.
Right now people are going to say that there is no risk because TOR and Origin are not linked. And that is correct. However to be realistic its the kind of thing you won't know til launch and even then it wouldn't be surprising if there is stil no link between them at launch but 3 to 6 months down the road, its suddenly required. As an example I will point you to Ubisoft's latest debacle with DRM and the game "From Dust" in which they assured everyone that an always-on internet connection would not be required, then when it launched it was required and they got caught deleting the post from their forums stating that it wouldn't be required. At the moment they're promsing to release a patch to change it but its just goes to show you never know.
By now if you've been following this, or just about anything EA. You know of the disaster that is Origin and its outright spyware level policies employed in its EULA.
I dont have links specifically but mainly because the main sources of information deleted threads when they turned into flamewars. Look for clause or article 9 of the EULA of this program for what were talking about.
Until it was cleared up very recently it was assumed that EA would require origin. (About two days ago) The game will not require origin but that should not stop people from protesting this service. It is required for BF 3 and the new Need for speed. This service is a breach of security on a level i havent seen out of a company in a long time. Even without this game requiring origin i have strong reservations of buying it now.
EA was dead to me years ago. Bioware brought EA back from the dead. Now its closing back on me putting the final nail in the coffin. Origin is the single greatest threat to your computer's security you can willingly and knowingly inflict on it. If origin had been required for this game i doubt many who read this thread would have kept their pre orders. What id like to know is who would have kept their preorders?
OP, get a clue please. Your ignorance does not an emergency make for BW. Welcome to the internet and the 21st century. If this got you all in an uproar, then don't research iPad 2s, you might have a corinary.
What part of this am I supposed to be worried about? That's my question, I only need privacy when I want to keep something private. What games, movies, songs or Art I have stored on my harddrive is not one of my major privacy concerns. What they find wouldn't be any different than the info I'd willingly handout during a survey. Besides if it's that much of a concern to you, just don't use the service and decline the agreement.
In the end, If they end up breaking laws,abusing clients etc.. let them rot, otherwise I expect the worst from EA and their ilk anyway, another day in paradise, nothing new here.etc... This is the last place I would react if I did have a problem with something like this.
I figured it out.
The evil EA is trying to steal our sex tapes of our computers and sell them on sexbay!!!
That just makes me want to use Origin MORE.
Exactly, that is until you come across that one video that makes go Ewww! People actually do THAT? This as you run looking for someplace to throw up. Then again, maybe you wont.
By now if you've been following this, or just about anything EA. You know of the disaster that is Origin and its outright spyware level policies employed in its EULA.
I dont have links specifically but mainly because the main sources of information deleted threads when they turned into flamewars. Look for clause or article 9 of the EULA of this program for what were talking about.
Until it was cleared up very recently it was assumed that EA would require origin. (About two days ago) The game will not require origin but that should not stop people from protesting this service. It is required for BF 3 and the new Need for speed. This service is a breach of security on a level i havent seen out of a company in a long time. Even without this game requiring origin i have strong reservations of buying it now.
EA was dead to me years ago. Bioware brought EA back from the dead. Now its closing back on me putting the final nail in the coffin. Origin is the single greatest threat to your computer's security you can willingly and knowingly inflict on it. If origin had been required for this game i doubt many who read this thread would have kept their pre orders. What id like to know is who would have kept their preorders?
OP, get a clue please. Your ignorance does not an emergency make for BW. Welcome to the internet and the 21st century. If this got you all in an uproar, then don't research iPad 2s, you might have a corinary.
I suspect people already know that origin is not that bad, but use it to troll against EA, BW, and swtor for many reasons.
It could be against EA thier games, and related events.
Against BW and failure to continue thier good story telling.
Against swtor becuase SWG, companions or other missing elements.
I find it hard to believe people are still stuck on this issue when many other programs do this as well. It somehow became a revelation through origin. Which is possible, but it should have been cleared in any of the previous threads about it, with people taking the time to explain how origin works, or that it has been done before. '
Maybe the solution to agreements would be more laymen terms, so things appear more literal and less interpretive. Afterall it does appear to be a serious agreement for a game. The language should be easier to understand. So I can acknowledge the fault of the agreement not set properly to its target audience.
According to my understanding, it will only collect the data of the computer specs, i.p. and origin related material. It does not snoop on the whole computer as I understood for other material/documents which could be very private and confidential.
Write bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble
SWTOR was dead to me soon as I realized the combat was the same as Rift or WoW. It could have the best visuals in the entire video game industry, 1.5 seconds between every action puts me to sleep. Especially when deciding what action to take is a pretty mindless excercise in itself. No, they did not trade speed or twitch for more strategy based gameplay. Give it up.
EA has been dead to me ever since they shut down EnB.
As for the OP, I don't think its so much that it will require origin, its what was recently learned what Origin does exactly, rather than vague descriptions from the company.
so wait you beta tested a game you dont like how nice. maybe this game ant for you then. i dont belive you your information is wrong you have no idea about this game and you just post flames about it shows how much you beta testing this game :P
Right now people are going to say that there is no risk because TOR and Origin are not linked. And that is correct. However to be realistic its the kind of thing you won't know til launch and even then it wouldn't be surprising if there is stil no link between them at launch but 3 to 6 months down the road, its suddenly required. As an example I will point you to Ubisoft's latest debacle with DRM and the game "From Dust" in which they assured everyone that an always-on internet connection would not be required, then when it launched it was required and they got caught deleting the post from their forums stating that it wouldn't be required. At the moment they're promsing to release a patch to change it but its just goes to show you never know.
While I agree the Ubisoft fiasco is BS, normally you wouldn't see such an unwanted feature added to a game after its launched. {It'd be more like Origin was required but now its not...}
If EA we're to force everyone into suddenly requiring Origin 3 to 6 months from launch or at anytime really, that'd be like SOE and the NGE for SWG all over again, resulting in alienating most their subscribers overnight! I would surely quit, because there is absolutely no reason why such a service should be required for a game bought from another retailer. {Now if it we're entirely digital like many games are these days from Steam, I can understand that, but SW:TOR isn't...}
I know this is off topic but can anyone quickly explain to me why you all hate steam so much?
Im having a hardtime seeing the negative other than it needs to be running.
I can to keep all of my games in one place, i get ingame chat via text and voice and i get to meet new people through steam groups.
I just don't understand the hate.
As for origins, I dont like EAs service so i cancelled my pre-order with them and plan on waiting on a trial to mess with TOR.
Steam is in your computerz, watching your every move, stealing your privacies.
I wonder if 20 years from now, when governments start installing cameras in our homes, you'll all still be cool with the whole idea.
Because seriously, we're not too far from that.
What info are they taking? info on thegames i buy and play? wouldnt that data be helpful to them in knowing what game types to support in the future? I personally like that they recommend me games on my purchase history...
Late addition:
I guess im a newb i like to think of the benefits of using steam, like a free voice chat option in almostt all of my games so me and my clan can chat while we game, things like achievements and the convenience of keeping all of my games together and updated. Shit Steam even updates my AMD display drivers now lol.
For all of that their service offers me that i dont have to pay for unlike ones from microsoft, the least i can do is give them some of my activity data so they could make my future experience better.
Maybe im missing something, are they giving my CC info away? will i be getting physical mail sent to my house because of steam? lol
I would be with you if the benefit was just tailoring a better experience for you, recommending things you might like based on what your browse, buy, etc.
What I don't like is, they SELL all that data to anyone who will buy it. They make millions a year off of selling your personal browsing, activity etc data.
If the information was used for their own purposes to just try to sell you more, I wouldn't mind. Kind of like amazon does. I've discovered a few gems that I would never have found if they didn't recommend them. From what i understand, they (amazon) does not sell your infomation to outside companies like with steam, but use it solely for their own marketing purposes.
Do you have any evidence of this? I'm pretty sure the internet would explode with the news that Steam is selling your browsing history to third parties. In fact, I think you should offer proof that Valve even sells your data to third parties.
For the record anyone thinking u need the origin client thing to do patches and stuff for tor are wrong.
There is a whole dev blog stateing u dont need the origin thingy to patch, download or even use tor. While ti may make it easier for other games its not a requirement for tor.
Even if u bought the digital version of the game u dont need to use the desktop client.
So any fuss over this involving tor is totally unecessary. They wont make it necessary either. They have stated that also.
I would have kept my pre order, how is this any different than using steam or live. They all require ridiculous levels of control and access.
The difference is in the scope that the EULA allows. Steam does in fact gather similar information, but they limit it to their games and small number of other software / drivers that are known to affect specific games. Live also does the same. But the EULA for Origin gives EA total freedom to scan your system and "data mine" to their hearts content. Then again, many of us have known for a while that EA is a bunch of EVIL, slimey, Scumbags - so we expect them to be up to No Good!
What it might mean is that Instead of getting the "Digital Deluxe" version of SWTOR, one might need to seek a refund and get a boxed copy off Amazon... Where they can get around the need to use Origin. Personally, I already have Hulu's "super-cookie" and Origin installed so my system is hopelessly infected. But then I don't have any software that's questionable... Seriously, I have NO Bittorrent programs installed. And the few cheat programs I have installed for games are for single player games where there is no multiplayer content at all, and those are very few.
Now I had considered calling up and cancelling my pre-order in "protest" of EA's actions. But then I'd have to get a hard copy and I'm certain when the game is released there will be "issues" with not having my retail code the day the game goes live. And while Amazon's shipping is very good most of the time... There are bound to be issues on a game like this - Murphy's Law dictates that it WILL Occur. ;-)
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Now that would kind of annoy me a little if i was actually paying monthly for the steam client like i do with Xbox live.
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EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER ARE DOING IT AND MUCH WORSE...
Googles sells and uses every thing from your searches to the contents of your emails and the sites you vist for advertisments, statistics, and other services to generate revenue.
Your ISP does simmilar things with your traffic, including redirection to specific ad sites and DNS tampering
Your cell provider tracks your wearabouts
Your credit card company is selling your credit history and purchusing habbits to the highest bidder
You are willingly give sensetive information such as CC info, ID numbers, and other stuff over the phone, many times in public places...
And you are scared that EA will have your IP address and proccessor info? you do realize they gather all that any how via the game client?
P.S.
Here is a nice quotation from the TOS of WoW, section D is really nice...
You hereby acknowledge and agree that:Acknowledgments.
EA is scanning your whole hardrive to know the software you have installed. Noone else is doing that.
An honest review of SW:TOR 6/10 (Danny Wojcicki)
Stop pirating games?
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Looking forward to: Nothing
Ehm they do
Even with out the ToS and Warden the crash report for WoW and SC2 does it for sure, it sends a full system summary which has in it a list of all installed software, and the ToS allows them to gather any and all information about your computer, including the data you have stored in RAM, which can be any thing from the webpage you have loaded in the backround to the creditcard info from the site you just visited that is for some reason in you clipboard...
P.S the Rift ripping of WoW jokes can continue, their ToS looks like it was copied word for word
th i am pretty sure its a general ToS for all online games these days...
22. Acknowledgements
You hereby acknowledge and agree that:
A. WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER'S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) AND/OR CPU PROCESSES (INCLUDING MAC ADDRESS, SYSTEM OR CONFIGURATION FILES, CRASH DATA, ETC.) FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH A GAME. AN “UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM” AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE THAT, WHEN USED SIMULTANEOUSLY OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE GAME, WOULD CONSTITUTE A VIOLATION OF SECTIONS 1, 2 OR 11. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, TRION MAY (I) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO TRION, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION THE ACCOUNT INFORMATION, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM WAS DETECTED; AND/OR (II) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER ANY TRION AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER.
B. WHEN THE GAME IS RUNNING, TRION MAY OBTAIN CERTAIN IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR COMPUTER, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR HARD DRIVES, CENTRAL PROCESSING UNIT, IP ADDRESS(ES) AND OPERATING SYSTEM(S), FOR PURPOSES OF IMPROVING THE GAME AND/OR THE SERVICE, AND TO POLICE AND ENFORCE THE PROVISIONS OF ANY TRION AGREEMENT.
C. Trion may, with or without notice to you, disclose your Internet Protocol (IP) address(es), personal information, chat logs, and other information about you and your activities: (a) in response to a request by law enforcement, a court order or other legal process; or (b) if Trion believes that doing so may protect your safety or the safety of others.
D. TRION MAY MONITOR, RECORD, REVIEW, MODIFY AND/OR DISCLOSE YOUR CHAT SESSIONS, WHETHER VOICE OR TEXT, WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU, AND YOU HEREBY CONSENT TO SUCH MONITORING, RECORDING, REVIEW, MODIFICATION AND/OR DISCLOSURE. Additionally, you acknowledge that Trion is under no obligation to monitor your electronic communications, and you engage in those communications at your own risk and with no expectation of privacy.
So people not wanting their HD scanned are suspect of doing ilegal activities? What kind of a twisted logic are they teaching you in school?
An honest review of SW:TOR 6/10 (Danny Wojcicki)
Lucky for me I guess that I do not buy any games digitally. Also have to agree with many of the other responders that Steam is hardly any better I almost downloaded it years ago until I read some of the insane terms of use and thought "wow you either need to live in the middle of Siberia or be really lazy to deal with crap like this when you can just go buy the game and tell the store to kiss your ass when they ask for personal info (which I always do).
to be honest I have no clue what the op is talking about that Origin does so differently than Steam and he conveniently doesn't even say what it is either....
Yep, that's what killed it for me.
Please. This is stupid. So you people are honestly saying you do not use any program, play game or subscribe to any service that doesn't do pretty much the same thing as origin? Highly doubtful. Spend some time looking through the user agreements for Windows if you don't believe me. Then go ahead and check every game you own as well. The user agreements, especially for the more recent on-line programs are darned near identical and give the owner of the program a HUGE leeway into looking at your computer if they want. The only way around it is to design ALL your own programs and use then exclusively. Good luck with that.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
I would seriously do almost anything to get the last 5 minutes of my life back that I spent reading that...
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www.incognito-gaming.us
"You're either with us or against us"
Either that or you have a shit PC and get slow down when the scan happens. Again stop stealing shit and/or get a better PC.
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someone already posted the new eula link.
Lmao I dont get why people care so much.
Yes they changed the eula but do you think they changed there software or even what they are going to do with that info.
But yeah whatever.
EA steal your info because,
you know your so interesting.
What part of this am I supposed to be worried about? That's my question, I only need privacy when I want to keep something private. What games, movies, songs or Art I have stored on my harddrive is not one of my major privacy concerns. What they find wouldn't be any different than the info I'd willingly handout during a survey. Besides if it's that much of a concern to you, just don't use the service and decline the agreement.
In the end, If they end up breaking laws,abusing clients etc.. let them rot, otherwise I expect the worst from EA and their ilk anyway, another day in paradise, nothing new here.etc... This is the last place I would react if I did have a problem with something like this.
To SB fans, please stop making our demographic look bad.Stop invading threads that have nothing to do with sandboxes.
SW:TOR Graphics Evolution and Comparison
SW:TOR Compare MMO Quests, Combat and More...
I figured it out.
The evil EA is trying to steal our sex tapes of our computers and sell them on sexbay!!!
That just makes me want to use Origin MORE.
Right now people are going to say that there is no risk because TOR and Origin are not linked. And that is correct. However to be realistic its the kind of thing you won't know til launch and even then it wouldn't be surprising if there is stil no link between them at launch but 3 to 6 months down the road, its suddenly required. As an example I will point you to Ubisoft's latest debacle with DRM and the game "From Dust" in which they assured everyone that an always-on internet connection would not be required, then when it launched it was required and they got caught deleting the post from their forums stating that it wouldn't be required. At the moment they're promsing to release a patch to change it but its just goes to show you never know.
OP, get a clue please. Your ignorance does not an emergency make for BW. Welcome to the internet and the 21st century. If this got you all in an uproar, then don't research iPad 2s, you might have a corinary.
Exactly, that is until you come across that one video that makes go Ewww! People actually do THAT? This as you run looking for someplace to throw up. Then again, maybe you wont.
I suspect people already know that origin is not that bad, but use it to troll against EA, BW, and swtor for many reasons.
It could be against EA thier games, and related events.
Against BW and failure to continue thier good story telling.
Against swtor becuase SWG, companions or other missing elements.
I find it hard to believe people are still stuck on this issue when many other programs do this as well. It somehow became a revelation through origin. Which is possible, but it should have been cleared in any of the previous threads about it, with people taking the time to explain how origin works, or that it has been done before. '
Maybe the solution to agreements would be more laymen terms, so things appear more literal and less interpretive. Afterall it does appear to be a serious agreement for a game. The language should be easier to understand. So I can acknowledge the fault of the agreement not set properly to its target audience.
According to my understanding, it will only collect the data of the computer specs, i.p. and origin related material. It does not snoop on the whole computer as I understood for other material/documents which could be very private and confidential.
Write bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble
so wait you beta tested a game you dont like
how nice. maybe this game ant for you then. i dont belive you your information is wrong you have no idea about this game and you just post flames about it shows how much you beta testing this game :P
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While I agree the Ubisoft fiasco is BS, normally you wouldn't see such an unwanted feature added to a game after its launched. {It'd be more like Origin was required but now its not...}
If EA we're to force everyone into suddenly requiring Origin 3 to 6 months from launch or at anytime really, that'd be like SOE and the NGE for SWG all over again, resulting in alienating most their subscribers overnight! I would surely quit, because there is absolutely no reason why such a service should be required for a game bought from another retailer. {Now if it we're entirely digital like many games are these days from Steam, I can understand that, but SW:TOR isn't...}
Do you have any evidence of this? I'm pretty sure the internet would explode with the news that Steam is selling your browsing history to third parties. In fact, I think you should offer proof that Valve even sells your data to third parties.
For the record anyone thinking u need the origin client thing to do patches and stuff for tor are wrong.
There is a whole dev blog stateing u dont need the origin thingy to patch, download or even use tor. While ti may make it easier for other games its not a requirement for tor.
Even if u bought the digital version of the game u dont need to use the desktop client.
So any fuss over this involving tor is totally unecessary. They wont make it necessary either. They have stated that also.
The difference is in the scope that the EULA allows. Steam does in fact gather similar information, but they limit it to their games and small number of other software / drivers that are known to affect specific games. Live also does the same. But the EULA for Origin gives EA total freedom to scan your system and "data mine" to their hearts content. Then again, many of us have known for a while that EA is a bunch of EVIL, slimey, Scumbags - so we expect them to be up to No Good!
What it might mean is that Instead of getting the "Digital Deluxe" version of SWTOR, one might need to seek a refund and get a boxed copy off Amazon... Where they can get around the need to use Origin. Personally, I already have Hulu's "super-cookie" and Origin installed so my system is hopelessly infected. But then I don't have any software that's questionable... Seriously, I have NO Bittorrent programs installed. And the few cheat programs I have installed for games are for single player games where there is no multiplayer content at all, and those are very few.
Now I had considered calling up and cancelling my pre-order in "protest" of EA's actions. But then I'd have to get a hard copy and I'm certain when the game is released there will be "issues" with not having my retail code the day the game goes live. And while Amazon's shipping is very good most of the time... There are bound to be issues on a game like this - Murphy's Law dictates that it WILL Occur. ;-)