Originally posted by Loke666 Originally posted by AzurePrower
Originally posted by Xondar123
No, people in Asia Pacific SHOULD NOT boycot SWTOR, yes, they might get the game later than NA, that's what happens all the time.
It does? Explain WOW then. Not to mention it is 2011 now. Wait... Wow released several months later in Europe than US. US release date: 23th of November 2004. EU release: 25th of February 2005. Forgot that little fact, did you.
You forget that Australia was included in the US release.
Originally posted by Juggerz so they r delaying the game in the UK? am i reading u correctly?
Pretty much the same logic here.
Australia and New Zealand use the same standards and language as the UK. Again makes no sense to delay it in Australia/New Zealand.
Also those for saying 'there's ways to work around it'. Yes. But I would really not like to 'work around it.' You can work around an IP blanket ban with a proxy too. Does it mean it is optimal to do so? No.
As I reject using credit cards. I find it difficult to purchase things through an online store. Even if I did manage to import the game from the US to Australia. What about game time cards? Am I going to have to constantly import that to? Racking up more costs than what it is worth from shipping and transaction fees?
...Really?
It has nothing to do with localization and everything to do with setting up the service, they are holding back for one reason or another, I'm not going to speculate as to the why. As for your questions, you only have to do that stuff if you're impatient, if you're not impatient wait until it releases in your territory. Otherwise yes you will have to do those things you stated above. As for credit cards? Pre-paid cards?
Pre-paid cards cost extra to use adding to extra fees.
I'm not impatient. I'm just annoyed with no information at all to when (if ever) there will be a release in Australia.
It's not 'I WANT TO PLAY SW:TOR NOW WHAAAAA'. It's more 'umm, when do I get to play?'
so they r delaying the game in the UK? am i reading u correctly?
Pretty much the same logic here.
Australia and New Zealand use the same standards and language as the UK. Again makes no sense to delay it in Australia/New Zealand.
Also those for saying 'there's ways to work around it'. Yes. But I would really not like to 'work around it.' You can work around an IP blanket ban with a proxy too. Does it mean it is optimal to do so? No.
As I reject using credit cards. I find it difficult to purchase things through an online store. Even if I did manage to import the game from the US to Australia. What about game time cards? Am I going to have to constantly import that to? Racking up more costs than what it is worth from shipping and transaction fees?
...Really?
It has nothing to do with localization and everything to do with setting up the service, they are holding back for one reason or another, I'm not going to speculate as to the why.
As for your questions, you only have to do that stuff if you're impatient, if you're not impatient wait until it releases in your territory. Otherwise yes you will have to do those things you stated above.
As for credit cards? Pre-paid cards?
Pre-paid cards cost extra to use adding to extra fees.
I'm not impatient. I'm just annoyed with no information at all to when (if ever) there will be a release in Australia.
It's not 'I WANT TO PLAY SW:TOR NOW WHAAAAA'. It's more 'umm, when do I get to play?'
Um, considering that we still don't know the exact release date for ANY version of the game, I'd suggest you do like the rest of us and just deal with it.
Originally posted by Juggerz so they r delaying the game in the UK? am i reading u correctly?
Pretty much the same logic here.
Australia and New Zealand use the same standards and language as the UK. Again makes no sense to delay it in Australia/New Zealand.
Also those for saying 'there's ways to work around it'. Yes. But I would really not like to 'work around it.' You can work around an IP blanket ban with a proxy too. Does it mean it is optimal to do so? No.
As I reject using credit cards. I find it difficult to purchase things through an online store. Even if I did manage to import the game from the US to Australia. What about game time cards? Am I going to have to constantly import that to? Racking up more costs than what it is worth from shipping and transaction fees?
...Really?
It has nothing to do with localization and everything to do with setting up the service, they are holding back for one reason or another, I'm not going to speculate as to the why. As for your questions, you only have to do that stuff if you're impatient, if you're not impatient wait until it releases in your territory. Otherwise yes you will have to do those things you stated above. As for credit cards? Pre-paid cards?
Pre-paid cards cost extra to use adding to extra fees.
I'm not impatient. I'm just annoyed with no information at all to when (if ever) there will be a release in Australia.
It's not 'I WANT TO PLAY SW:TOR NOW WHAAAAA'. It's more 'umm, when do I get to play?'
Um, considering that we still don't know the exact release date for ANY version of the game, I'd suggest you do like the rest of us and just deal with it.
You're given an idea. 2011.
Australia? Nothing.
Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot. Australia gets SW:TOR coming in 2011. USA gets no word. There would be an outcry so great, it put the new blue ray edits of the original movies to shame.
so they r delaying the game in the UK? am i reading u correctly?
Pretty much the same logic here.
Australia and New Zealand use the same standards and language as the UK. Again makes no sense to delay it in Australia/New Zealand.
Also those for saying 'there's ways to work around it'. Yes. But I would really not like to 'work around it.' You can work around an IP blanket ban with a proxy too. Does it mean it is optimal to do so? No.
As I reject using credit cards. I find it difficult to purchase things through an online store. Even if I did manage to import the game from the US to Australia. What about game time cards? Am I going to have to constantly import that to? Racking up more costs than what it is worth from shipping and transaction fees?
...Really?
It has nothing to do with localization and everything to do with setting up the service, they are holding back for one reason or another, I'm not going to speculate as to the why.
As for your questions, you only have to do that stuff if you're impatient, if you're not impatient wait until it releases in your territory. Otherwise yes you will have to do those things you stated above.
As for credit cards? Pre-paid cards?
Pre-paid cards cost extra to use adding to extra fees.
I'm not impatient. I'm just annoyed with no information at all to when (if ever) there will be a release in Australia.
It's not 'I WANT TO PLAY SW:TOR NOW WHAAAAA'. It's more 'umm, when do I get to play?'
Um, considering that we still don't know the exact release date for ANY version of the game, I'd suggest you do like the rest of us and just deal with it.
You're given an idea. 2011.
Australia? Nothing.
Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot. Australia gets SW:TOR coming in 2011. USA gets no word. There would be an outcry so great, it put the new blue ray edits of the original movies to shame.
If the US were a tiny little market, hopefully we would be intelligent and mature enough to understand that we're just not going to get everything first. As it is, we're the largest market, we kick ass, and we get it first. That's just how it works.
I think we should all boycot the game just for the sake it's going to be screwed up later since it's under EA wings... Screw up guaranteed right there... I hate EA
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Lets bring up WAR then, since it was an EA backed and published MMORPG, was highly touted and they spent a hell of a lot on marketting. Its one of only a few MMO's that has actually had TV & theatre spots to advertise in in Australia (WoW is the only other one I know of that had the same).
They did a worldwide release in the same week (not on the same day) and the launch went quite well really. The game failed and began to hemhorage players after 3 months but that was Mythics fault & had nothing at all to do with launch. I concede the IP is not as big as star wars (but really what is ? maybe Harry Potter ?) but Warhammer is still a big established IP.
Yet now we are supposed to beleieve EA would have to sacrifice "quality of service" to do a worldwide release ? oh please....
This post is factually false.
EA did not own Mythic who created WAR when it launched.
*sigh* The post is not false at all, apparently a lot of your who quoted me just cannot read.
Where exactly did I say EA owned Mythic ? oh wait I didnt say that several of you said it not me and it has nothing to do with the question at hand. I said EA was the backer & publisher. My boxed copy of that shitty game has the EA logo all over it, when you contacted customer support it was through EA and the local servers where hosted here by EA.... but I never did say EA owned Mythic.
EA was the publisher & distributor at launch.
That said just an FYI:
- EA bough Mythic and renamed it EA Mythic June 2006.
Boycott really? I mean, Korea releases pretty fun and good MMOs and you don't see people go "What!? release in Korea first? Assholes!"
I think the hype is making people lose their minds. Take a breather people, it's a game and yes, you'll get to play it eventually. If the fact that a game is delayed for your country sends you in a 'fit'... Get out more! Play 'life' just a little more. You need it!
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The issue is the game is not easily available to people outside the launch regions, I dont think too many people care about not having local servers & in many cases we expect to play on overseas servers & endure some lag. Digital deluxe version is out of reach of most redzoners and Amazon is basically the only way to get a physical copy.
Um so?
I mean, I hate to be whatever but... if the game isn't offered initially in your region, you should have to expect to go through some hurdles to get it on "day 1" or wait until it is available in your region....
Sure, it may suck a bit, but your only options are either -
1. Complain, which does nothing.
2. Boycott, which does nothing because you'll end up buying it when it releases in your region
3. Deal with it
I've seen these threads for... years, years and years in regards to Eastern developed MMOs that haven't been released in the US/EU or take forever to cross the seas.
Archeage, Tera anyone?
My answer to them and to you - get over it!
Or you could just move, but otherwise... this is all kind of "facts of life" kind of stuff... like, nothing you can do so why bother worrying?
Wait, people want to boycott SWTOR because there won't be boxed copies in their stores on the Thursday after release in NA on Tuesday?
Or are they wanting to boycott because there won't be a server farm located in AU/NZ?
Both are equally silly questions.
EA is holding down the number of copies sold because they want to try to make sure their servers can handle the crush of players in NA/EU playing, plus the people elsewhere who either bought the DD version, or through Amazon, etc.
Add to that the need for an AU/NZ specific distributor for boxes (costs them money)....
And as for the server farm, AU and NZ are not the most internet friendly countries regarding laws, etc.
Now Normally I am a quite reasonable person , But after reading the news and the hype over the last few months and seeing the plain distain of Bioware about their Asia pacific players for TOR I am aghast . Bioware or the dev’s of Tor in the leaste have decieded that due to the fact they want the rest of the world to have a nice experance they will be delaying the release of Tor to asia pacific and to Europe. Now as I have interest in this game I have this to say .
BAD CODE and programming is the cause of most lag not location from servers.
Take for example the brilliant people at Trion not only did they release a brilliant game in Rift (endgame not included in this comment) I as a Australian player in the rift community have very rarely encounter any lag at all.
The even better news that Guild Wars 2 is even thinking about Australian/ Asia servers is a win for them in my books so to my fellow MMO freaks out there I say this.
Are we Aisa/pacific players any less important then the rest of the world apart from demographics should we suffer to the hands of big corporations that think that only the U.S is important in the aspects of game players?
I am Sure I will get some response from people who are I n the U.S and I say this to you all , What would you do if a great game was being released in the near future and they stated that the U.S was not getting access to the game for 4 months after release?
Sure I can still buy the game online (like I do most my games) but it's the point that counts and the fact that they have stated that this decision is purely so that the u.s players get a smooth experience. This implies to me that they have no faith in their ability to release all around the world and have chosen one segment that they see as more important then the rest .
Us Aussies are gamers to !!!!
And I know of alot of games of late that didn’t neglect their player bases from asia pacific and had no issues with launches.
More and more games are taking this Path should we as a demographic Boycott playing Tor because they have stated we do not matter?
Lets bring up WAR then, since it was an EA backed and published MMORPG, was highly touted and they spent a hell of a lot on marketting. Its one of only a few MMO's that has actually had TV & theatre spots to advertise in in Australia (WoW is the only other one I know of that had the same).
They did a worldwide release in the same week (not on the same day) and the launch went quite well really. The game failed and began to hemhorage players after 3 months but that was Mythics fault & had nothing at all to do with launch. I concede the IP is not as big as star wars (but really what is ? maybe Harry Potter ?) but Warhammer is still a big established IP.
Yet now we are supposed to beleieve EA would have to sacrifice "quality of service" to do a worldwide release ? oh please....
This post is factually false.
EA did not own Mythic who created WAR when it launched.
EA aquired Mythic Entertainment in June of 2006...
WAR did not launch until Sept of 2008...
So it would seem logical that EA owned Mythic when WAR launched. Since they aquired Mythic slightly over 2 years before WAR launched.
They didn't own Mythic when the license to WAR was aquired from Games Workshop. That happened about a year before EA aquired Mythic.. However, your statement about the launch is not accurate.. EA most certainly owned Mythic when WAR launched.
Even tho that whole discussion is kind of a side track. People talk about EA not providing service.. Yet EA owned Origin Systems by the time Ultima Online launched. UO ended up as probably the most region spread MMO of a western developer. World of Warcraft is probably in more regions now but I can't think of any other "Western" MMO that is. In fact it wasn't that long ago EA was moving UO into even more previously non-localized regions (India I think it was). If anything EA should be the company offering an MMO in more places.. not less.
Even tho that whole discussion is kind of a side track. People talk about EA not providing service.. Yet EA owned Origin Systems by the time Ultima Online launched. UO ended up as probably the most region spread MMO of a western developer. World of Warcraft is probably in more regions now but I can't think of any other "Western" MMO that is. In fact it wasn't that long ago EA was moving UO into even more previously non-localized regions (India I think it was). If anything EA should be the company offering an MMO in more places.. not less.
I don't think EA owned Origin Systems back in 99 etc. I thought the acquisition was a lot later then that like early 2000's?
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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/3857-BOYCOTT
ZOMG, Internet gamer boycott yet another game again?
you will have to wait to romance your companions bro
Wait... Wow released several months later in Europe than US.
US release date: 23th of November 2004.
EU release: 25th of February 2005.
Forgot that little fact, did you.
You forget that Australia was included in the US release.
-Azure Prower
http://www.youtube.com/AzurePrower
Pre-paid cards cost extra to use adding to extra fees.
I'm not impatient. I'm just annoyed with no information at all to when (if ever) there will be a release in Australia.
It's not 'I WANT TO PLAY SW:TOR NOW WHAAAAA'. It's more 'umm, when do I get to play?'
-Azure Prower
http://www.youtube.com/AzurePrower
Um, considering that we still don't know the exact release date for ANY version of the game, I'd suggest you do like the rest of us and just deal with it.
You're given an idea. 2011.
Australia? Nothing.
Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot. Australia gets SW:TOR coming in 2011. USA gets no word. There would be an outcry so great, it put the new blue ray edits of the original movies to shame.
-Azure Prower
http://www.youtube.com/AzurePrower
If the US were a tiny little market, hopefully we would be intelligent and mature enough to understand that we're just not going to get everything first. As it is, we're the largest market, we kick ass, and we get it first. That's just how it works.
Man, that video is so true.
New Zealanders?
Not sure what the issue is. Amazon sells / ships internationally so... ??
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
I think we should all boycot the game just for the sake it's going to be screwed up later since it's under EA wings... Screw up guaranteed right there... I hate EA
"Happiness is not a destination. It is a method of life."
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*sigh* The post is not false at all, apparently a lot of your who quoted me just cannot read.
Where exactly did I say EA owned Mythic ? oh wait I didnt say that several of you said it not me and it has nothing to do with the question at hand. I said EA was the backer & publisher. My boxed copy of that shitty game has the EA logo all over it, when you contacted customer support it was through EA and the local servers where hosted here by EA.... but I never did say EA owned Mythic.
EA was the publisher & distributor at launch.
That said just an FYI:
- EA bough Mythic and renamed it EA Mythic June 2006.
- Warhammer Online launched September 2008.
Just saying....
Boycott really? I mean, Korea releases pretty fun and good MMOs and you don't see people go "What!? release in Korea first? Assholes!"
I think the hype is making people lose their minds. Take a breather people, it's a game and yes, you'll get to play it eventually. If the fact that a game is delayed for your country sends you in a 'fit'... Get out more! Play 'life' just a little more. You need it!
________________________
"If RL was an MMO, I'd probably be getting laid more often..."
Um so?
I mean, I hate to be whatever but... if the game isn't offered initially in your region, you should have to expect to go through some hurdles to get it on "day 1" or wait until it is available in your region....
Sure, it may suck a bit, but your only options are either -
1. Complain, which does nothing.
2. Boycott, which does nothing because you'll end up buying it when it releases in your region
3. Deal with it
I've seen these threads for... years, years and years in regards to Eastern developed MMOs that haven't been released in the US/EU or take forever to cross the seas.
Archeage, Tera anyone?
My answer to them and to you - get over it!
Or you could just move, but otherwise... this is all kind of "facts of life" kind of stuff... like, nothing you can do so why bother worrying?
I say yes to boycott!
Wait, people want to boycott SWTOR because there won't be boxed copies in their stores on the Thursday after release in NA on Tuesday?
Or are they wanting to boycott because there won't be a server farm located in AU/NZ?
Both are equally silly questions.
EA is holding down the number of copies sold because they want to try to make sure their servers can handle the crush of players in NA/EU playing, plus the people elsewhere who either bought the DD version, or through Amazon, etc.
Add to that the need for an AU/NZ specific distributor for boxes (costs them money)....
And as for the server farm, AU and NZ are not the most internet friendly countries regarding laws, etc.
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Look all you people in Oceanic and Europe countries got the Samsung GS2 long before we did. It happens....
EA aquired Mythic Entertainment in June of 2006...
WAR did not launch until Sept of 2008...
So it would seem logical that EA owned Mythic when WAR launched. Since they aquired Mythic slightly over 2 years before WAR launched.
They didn't own Mythic when the license to WAR was aquired from Games Workshop. That happened about a year before EA aquired Mythic.. However, your statement about the launch is not accurate.. EA most certainly owned Mythic when WAR launched.
Even tho that whole discussion is kind of a side track. People talk about EA not providing service.. Yet EA owned Origin Systems by the time Ultima Online launched. UO ended up as probably the most region spread MMO of a western developer. World of Warcraft is probably in more regions now but I can't think of any other "Western" MMO that is. In fact it wasn't that long ago EA was moving UO into even more previously non-localized regions (India I think it was). If anything EA should be the company offering an MMO in more places.. not less.
I don't think EA owned Origin Systems back in 99 etc. I thought the acquisition was a lot later then that like early 2000's?
*edit* nevermind was back in '92.