I have my reasons through my experiences with AoC in the past and as recently as this month. People have written about FC at length in these forums, so I don't need to add anything. Sadly, as soon as I found out TSW was their game, I wrote it off. I'm glad there are other games worth looking into on the horizon.
Aion is the WORST experience i've ever had playing a MMO, and i've been playing MMO's since EQ1.
As ArenaNet is nothing but a division of NCSoft, how exactly do you reconsile that? ArenaNet does nothing that isn't signed off by, or ordered by, NCSoft. They ARE NCsoft.
I avoid even buying Sony electronics or things from other Sony Divisions.
Besides the gaming snafu's they have done I take great exception to them installing rootkits on paying customers computers in their BMG music division.
Aion is the WORST experience i've ever had playing a MMO, and i've been playing MMO's since EQ1.
As ArenaNet is nothing but a division of NCSoft, how exactly do you reconsile that? ArenaNet does nothing that isn't signed off by, or ordered by, NCSoft. They ARE NCsoft.
NCSoft is the publisher and ArenaNet is the developer. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always been under the impression that those are two distinctly different jobs. I've always thought there were some companies that did both, but most often that's not the case. Maybe I've been confused all this time......
Cryptic - I have come to realize that my gaming tastes are just not satisfied by their idea of what a game should be
SOE - I am still so mad at SOE that I will not let my wife buy any sony products if we can help it.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
Aion is the WORST experience i've ever had playing a MMO, and i've been playing MMO's since EQ1.
As ArenaNet is nothing but a division of NCSoft, how exactly do you reconsile that? ArenaNet does nothing that isn't signed off by, or ordered by, NCSoft. They ARE NCsoft.
NCSoft is the publisher and ArenaNet is the developer. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always been under the impression that those are two distinctly different jobs.
Not if its a subsidiary of EA or Activision. Any developers under them ARE them.
It is best for the industry the MMO throne remains an dusty empty seat never to be filled.
Aion is the WORST experience i've ever had playing a MMO, and i've been playing MMO's since EQ1.
As ArenaNet is nothing but a division of NCSoft, how exactly do you reconsile that? ArenaNet does nothing that isn't signed off by, or ordered by, NCSoft. They ARE NCsoft.
NCSoft is the publisher and ArenaNet is the developer. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always been under the impression that those are two distinctly different jobs.
I'll be happy to correct you. In many cases, publisher and developer are two different things. In this case, however, ArenaNet is a wholly owned subsidiary of NCSoft. ArenaNet is completely owned and controlled by NCSoft.
Very interesting. I never knew that about ArenaNet. I knew with Activision and Blizzard and EA Games, but NCSoft and ArenaNet, wow. At least GW2 isn't being made by the exact same team as AION. I didn't hate AION or anything, but...I don't know....nevermind. I'm just rambling in shock.
Very interesting. I never knew that about ArenaNet. I knew with Activision and Blizzard and EA Games, but NCSoft and ArenaNet, wow. At least GW2 isn't being made by the exact same team as AION. I didn't hate AION or anything, but...I don't know....nevermind. I'm just rambling in shock.
Alot of people had the same fears about SWTOR when EA bought Bioware... NCsoft did plenty of things right with Aion, and worldwide it's still popular and profitable. Hopefully the ArenaNet team will learn from both their mistakes and their failures and make GW2 a great game.
SOE = EQ and EQ 2 I never enjoyed the engines they were on, broken is all I can really describe it as. DCUO should of never been a monthly subbed game, and even pricing at 14.95 and not cross platform, was like a bad joke. F2P may make me want to pick it up again , but there are a lot of great games coming out in the next few years, so it may just be put on hold for quite some time.
Funcom = if TSW can be a great 4th MMO try, then i will like them once more. AOC was another MMO I was excited about playing and there were a few things I did enjoy about it, but that was until I was lvl 20 and the game just went down hill from there.
Square Enix, only in the MMO department. = FFXI was my early MMO enjoyment and FFXIV was the game that I was looking forward to, more then any MMO. Biggest let down I could ever have with a game and a developer.
Cryptic = Every game to me they have made was a failed project that just was not complete. STO was the Space MMO I was looking for, it was Star Trek as a fully MMO and the Ground Combat and the instanced zones, just didn't do it for me. I'm glad to hear it's going F2P, but the game just lacks so much for me to even come back to it, even if it's for Free.
Wildstar (2013) & Elder Scroll Online (2013)
Playing: Diablo 3, WOW, Far Cry 3 & X-Com.
Enjoyed: WOW 5 1/2 yrs, LOTRO 3yrs, GW 1/2yr, DFO 1yr, EVE Online 3yrs, and Huxley (Beta).
Failed to impress: GW2 3months, Tera Online 6 months (best combat system in any MMO I've played) STO 1/4yr, Aion 1/2yr, AoC 1yr, CO, Fallen Earth, DDO, EQ2 1/2yr, WAR 1/2yr, Lineage 2 and FF XI 1/2yr, FF XIV.
LOL at all those who want to blacklist companies because they are "greedy." That's like being a republican and saying you will blacklist all the music and movies made by liberals. Have fun watching religious movies and listening to country music. LOL.
I would play a great game even if it was made in a Chinese slave labor camp full of 12-year olds, and if they packaged their games in baby seal pelts.
Inspiration can come from any company. And all of them (at least those who have stockholders which is most of them) are at their core primarily interested in their bottom line. Even many of the "Indies" want your money, believe it or not...
I bet you shop at Walmart too. You know, some people actually DO try to live in a way that reflects their values as much as possible, so you can't just assume that no one does that. I do understand what you're saying, but some things (like baby seals and child slaves) are worth fighting for to some people.
Personally, I have no problem with game houses wanting to make money. It is a business after all. But I reserve my right to decide WHICH game companies get my dollar and sometimes it might be more complex a decision than simply whether I like a game.
I don't have any "blacklisted" companies, myself, but that is just as of TODAY. Give me another year or so and that might change, who knows? As of right now, I still believe in second chances and extending some grace and forgiveness to companies that have offended me in the past. After all, it's not generally the exact same team working on today's game that made the game 7 years ago that originally offended me. Seems only fair to have a second chances policy.
That being said....if any of them start wrapping their games in the pelts of baby seals....I'm boycotting.
I don't really have a blacklist. I am weary of anything EA publishes as far as MMORPGs are concerned, but I'm willing to keep an open mind until I read the reviews and player feedback and watch the gameplay for myself. GamersFirst is another company that kind of makes me roll my eyes, but I certainly wouldn't overlook a game they were part of simply for that fact.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
I don't like to say never, but it's extremely doubtful I'll purchase anything in the future from:
Square Enix - Absolutely the worst MMO purchase of my life -- FFIV.
Cryptic - Just when you think a company can't put out anything worse, they top themselves.
SOE - They put out good games and then gut them. It boggles the mind, but there it is.
Before I'd ever purchase anything from one of these companies again, I'd need to see a tidal wave of good reviews and one hellova free trial to try it myself. Come to think of it, this is quickly becoming a rule of thumb for all my future MMO purchases. I guess I've been burned one time too many.
SOE! of course, I think this is on most people's list.
Funcom, Turbine, etc. have laid some eggs sometimes, but they actually put money and effort into fixing them.
Buying a SOE game is like buying a turd, but instead of offering you a pooper-scooper. SOE tries to sell you a super duper pooper scooper for 50x the price of the others, but when you go to pick up the turd, you notice it has a hole in it and won't pick up any turds XD POOOOOOOOOOOOO
I have a few companies on my "approach with caution" list, but I only have one company on my Black List: SOE.
I will never touch another SOE product unless and until everyone from middle management up to the very top is fired and some really good names in the industry are brought in to turn the division around. Even then, it would still be on the "caution" list until it proved itself.
SOE just has an incredible knack of ruining everything they touch and if something actually launches as a fairly decent MMO, SOE will ruin it with in six months.
LOL at all those who want to blacklist companies because they are "greedy." That's like being a republican and saying you will blacklist all the music and movies made by liberals. Have fun watching religious movies and listening to country music. LOL.
I would play a great game even if it was made in a Chinese slave labor camp full of 12-year olds, and if they packaged their games in baby seal pelts.
Inspiration can come from any company. And all of them (at least those who have stockholders which is most of them) are at their core primarily interested in their bottom line. Even many of the "Indies" want your money, believe it or not...
I bet you shop at Walmart too. You know, some people actually DO try to live in a way that reflects their values as much as possible, so you can't just assume that no one does that. I do understand what you're saying, but some things (like baby seals and child slaves) are worth fighting for to some people.
Personally, I have no problem with game houses wanting to make money. It is a business after all. But I reserve my right to decide WHICH game companies get my dollar and sometimes it might be more complex a decision than simply whether I like a game.
I don't have any "blacklisted" companies, myself, but that is just as of TODAY. Give me another year or so and that might change, who knows? As of right now, I still believe in second chances and extending some grace and forgiveness to companies that have offended me in the past. After all, it's not generally the exact same team working on today's game that made the game 7 years ago that originally offended me. Seems only fair to have a second chances policy.
That being said....if any of them start wrapping their games in the pelts of baby seals....I'm boycotting.
LOL. Of course, if you didn't notice I was using a little writing technique called hyperbole...
I vote with my consumer dollar all the time and won't buy an inferior product (and no I don't shop at Walmart but I have no political issues with them: I just prefer higher end stuff). But I just find it funny how people are demonizing certain companies as if they are living breathing incarnations of true evil. These companies are just people doing jobs, who have bosses trying to be successful, who themselves have bosses, etc and who are all working in the end at behest of the stockholders (e.g. everybody who has a 401K).
And although I used hyperbole my point is essentially unchanged. Me and these "greedy" companies don't have to be friends, heck we can even dislike each other. But we profit from each other and have a mutual understanding. They want my money, and I want them to make me a kick-ass game. Sure I can call them greedy, but they can call me selfish as well: I won't give them my hard earned money for their effort if it results in a crap game. Even if they tried really really hard and had the best intentions.
Just give me my kick-ass game and I'll give you my money...
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind" 1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN 2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
Avoid like the plague / Worst mmo companies on earth list.
1. Bigpoint
2. IGG
SOE is a given.
CCP lost my trust completely with the CEO/newsletter leak scandal.
Mythic - Made Warhammer online, enough said.
Bipoint is the actual enemy of MMOs, and intelligent people everywhere.
And IGG makes cash shops with games tacked on.
To find an intelligent person in a PUG is not that rare, but to find a PUG made up of "all" intelligent people is one of the rarest phenomenons in the known universe.
and, because it's great to be positive too! the good lists!!
the "it's got to be decent because these guys are good list":
Bioware
CCP
anything by Sid meier
Arena-net
the "oh, they made it, it's worth watching" list"
Blizzard
valve
the makers of lineage2
RIP Ribbitribbitt you are missed, kid.
Currently Playing EVE, ESO
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed.
LOL at all those who want to blacklist companies because they are "greedy." That's like being a republican and saying you will blacklist all the music and movies made by liberals. Have fun watching religious movies and listening to country music. LOL.
I would play a great game even if it was made in a Chinese slave labor camp full of 12-year olds, and if they packaged their games in baby seal pelts.
Inspiration can come from any company. And all of them (at least those who have stockholders which is most of them) are at their core primarily interested in their bottom line. Even many of the "Indies" want your money, believe it or not...
I bet you shop at Walmart too. You know, some people actually DO try to live in a way that reflects their values as much as possible, so you can't just assume that no one does that. I do understand what you're saying, but some things (like baby seals and child slaves) are worth fighting for to some people.
Personally, I have no problem with game houses wanting to make money. It is a business after all. But I reserve my right to decide WHICH game companies get my dollar and sometimes it might be more complex a decision than simply whether I like a game.
I don't have any "blacklisted" companies, myself, but that is just as of TODAY. Give me another year or so and that might change, who knows? As of right now, I still believe in second chances and extending some grace and forgiveness to companies that have offended me in the past. After all, it's not generally the exact same team working on today's game that made the game 7 years ago that originally offended me. Seems only fair to have a second chances policy.
That being said....if any of them start wrapping their games in the pelts of baby seals....I'm boycotting.
LOL. Of course, if you didn't notice I was using a little writing technique called hyperbole...
I vote with my consumer dollar all the time and won't buy an inferior product (and no I don't shop at Walmart but I have no political issues with them: I just prefer higher end stuff). But I just find it funny how people are demonizing certain companies as if they are living breathing incarnations of true evil. These companies are just people doing jobs, who have bosses trying to be successful, who themselves have bosses, etc and who are all working in the end at behest of the stockholders (e.g. everybody who has a 401K).
And although I used hyperbole my point is essentially unchanged. Me and these "greedy" companies don't have to be friends, heck we can even dislike each other. But we profit from each other and have a mutual understanding. They want my money, and I want them to make me a kick-ass game. Sure I can call them greedy, but they can call me selfish as well: I won't give them my hard earned money for their effort if it results in a crap game. Even if they tried really really hard and had the best intentions.
Just give me my kick-ass game and I'll give you my money...
Yes, I caught the tendency to hyperbole. I loved what you wrote; it's why I wanted to respond to it.
I think we agree on more than we disagree on, actually. I too want a kick-ass game and am willing to exchange a fair amount of cash for it.
May we see many worthy prospects in the years to come.
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Funcom.
I have my reasons through my experiences with AoC in the past and as recently as this month. People have written about FC at length in these forums, so I don't need to add anything. Sadly, as soon as I found out TSW was their game, I wrote it off. I'm glad there are other games worth looking into on the horizon.
And Bigpoint! after reading this article: http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/09/07/bigpoint-says-game-publishers-should-sell-in-game-advantages/
I don't even rank StarVault as a publisher. It is more of a hobby-house.
As ArenaNet is nothing but a division of NCSoft, how exactly do you reconsile that? ArenaNet does nothing that isn't signed off by, or ordered by, NCSoft. They ARE NCsoft.
Put me down for SOE.
I avoid even buying Sony electronics or things from other Sony Divisions.
Besides the gaming snafu's they have done I take great exception to them installing rootkits on paying customers computers in their BMG music division.
SOE and Cryptic are both on my never buy ever again list. They constantly fail my expectations.
NCSoft is the publisher and ArenaNet is the developer. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always been under the impression that those are two distinctly different jobs. I've always thought there were some companies that did both, but most often that's not the case. Maybe I've been confused all this time......
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
Cryptic - I have come to realize that my gaming tastes are just not satisfied by their idea of what a game should be
SOE - I am still so mad at SOE that I will not let my wife buy any sony products if we can help it.
Not if its a subsidiary of EA or Activision. Any developers under them ARE them.
It is best for the industry the MMO throne remains an dusty empty seat never to be filled.
I'll be happy to correct you. In many cases, publisher and developer are two different things. In this case, however, ArenaNet is a wholly owned subsidiary of NCSoft. ArenaNet is completely owned and controlled by NCSoft.
Very interesting. I never knew that about ArenaNet. I knew with Activision and Blizzard and EA Games, but NCSoft and ArenaNet, wow. At least GW2 isn't being made by the exact same team as AION. I didn't hate AION or anything, but...I don't know....nevermind. I'm just rambling in shock.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
Alot of people had the same fears about SWTOR when EA bought Bioware... NCsoft did plenty of things right with Aion, and worldwide it's still popular and profitable. Hopefully the ArenaNet team will learn from both their mistakes and their failures and make GW2 a great game.
Activision-Blizzard more to the point the Blizzard part.
SOE = EQ and EQ 2 I never enjoyed the engines they were on, broken is all I can really describe it as. DCUO should of never been a monthly subbed game, and even pricing at 14.95 and not cross platform, was like a bad joke. F2P may make me want to pick it up again , but there are a lot of great games coming out in the next few years, so it may just be put on hold for quite some time.
Funcom = if TSW can be a great 4th MMO try, then i will like them once more.
AOC was another MMO I was excited about playing and there were a few things I did enjoy about it, but that was until I was lvl 20 and the game just went down hill from there.
Square Enix, only in the MMO department. = FFXI was my early MMO enjoyment and FFXIV was the game that I was looking forward to, more then any MMO. Biggest let down I could ever have with a game and a developer.
Cryptic = Every game to me they have made was a failed project that just was not complete. STO was the Space MMO I was looking for, it was Star Trek as a fully MMO and the Ground Combat and the instanced zones, just didn't do it for me. I'm glad to hear it's going F2P, but the game just lacks so much for me to even come back to it, even if it's for Free.
Wildstar (2013) & Elder Scroll Online (2013)
Playing: Diablo 3, WOW, Far Cry 3 & X-Com.
Enjoyed: WOW 5 1/2 yrs, LOTRO 3yrs, GW 1/2yr, DFO 1yr, EVE Online 3yrs, and Huxley (Beta).
Failed to impress: GW2 3months, Tera Online 6 months (best combat system in any MMO I've played) STO 1/4yr, Aion 1/2yr, AoC 1yr, CO, Fallen Earth, DDO, EQ2 1/2yr, WAR 1/2yr, Lineage 2 and FF XI 1/2yr, FF XIV.
My black list:
SoE - Have made some great games and ruined them. Feel that thier games should be sold off and SoE closed down.
Blizzard - For tieing everything into battle.net and facebook. Major hacking risk from my point of view.
Funcom - For releasing Age of Connan with only the first 20 levels of the game mostly done and rest of game not completed or there.
Quicksilver - Master of Orion III game was so bad that they dropped it completly within 30 days of release.
Sony - For thier new EULA where you have to give up your right to sue them or be baned from playing.
Very grave thoughts about playing any game that auto ties you into facebook.
I bet you shop at Walmart too. You know, some people actually DO try to live in a way that reflects their values as much as possible, so you can't just assume that no one does that. I do understand what you're saying, but some things (like baby seals and child slaves) are worth fighting for to some people.
Personally, I have no problem with game houses wanting to make money. It is a business after all. But I reserve my right to decide WHICH game companies get my dollar and sometimes it might be more complex a decision than simply whether I like a game.
I don't have any "blacklisted" companies, myself, but that is just as of TODAY. Give me another year or so and that might change, who knows? As of right now, I still believe in second chances and extending some grace and forgiveness to companies that have offended me in the past. After all, it's not generally the exact same team working on today's game that made the game 7 years ago that originally offended me. Seems only fair to have a second chances policy.
That being said....if any of them start wrapping their games in the pelts of baby seals....I'm boycotting.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club
Nice thread.
Heres my black list
Square Enix
Soe
Blizzard
Turbine
Funcom
Splash damage
Obsidian
Trion
Mythic
My faith till now remains on
Bethesda and Bioware
I don't really have a blacklist. I am weary of anything EA publishes as far as MMORPGs are concerned, but I'm willing to keep an open mind until I read the reviews and player feedback and watch the gameplay for myself. GamersFirst is another company that kind of makes me roll my eyes, but I certainly wouldn't overlook a game they were part of simply for that fact.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
I don't like to say never, but it's extremely doubtful I'll purchase anything in the future from:
Square Enix - Absolutely the worst MMO purchase of my life -- FFIV.
Cryptic - Just when you think a company can't put out anything worse, they top themselves.
SOE - They put out good games and then gut them. It boggles the mind, but there it is.
Before I'd ever purchase anything from one of these companies again, I'd need to see a tidal wave of good reviews and one hellova free trial to try it myself. Come to think of it, this is quickly becoming a rule of thumb for all my future MMO purchases. I guess I've been burned one time too many.
My list it's simple i will never touch asian game..
Currently playing: Elder Scrolls Online
MMORPG experiences:EQ2, AoC(pre f2p), Lotro,GW1,DDO, Aion,WoW( stop with wotlk),Allods, GW2
Eu,War, Secret World
Waiting On: WoD Sometime Maybe: Elder Scrolls MMO, Might and Magic
SOE! of course, I think this is on most people's list.
Funcom, Turbine, etc. have laid some eggs sometimes, but they actually put money and effort into fixing them.
Buying a SOE game is like buying a turd, but instead of offering you a pooper-scooper. SOE tries to sell you a super duper pooper scooper for 50x the price of the others, but when you go to pick up the turd, you notice it has a hole in it and won't pick up any turds XD POOOOOOOOOOOOO
I have a few companies on my "approach with caution" list, but I only have one company on my Black List: SOE.
I will never touch another SOE product unless and until everyone from middle management up to the very top is fired and some really good names in the industry are brought in to turn the division around. Even then, it would still be on the "caution" list until it proved itself.
SOE just has an incredible knack of ruining everything they touch and if something actually launches as a fairly decent MMO, SOE will ruin it with in six months.
Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated
LOL. Of course, if you didn't notice I was using a little writing technique called hyperbole...
I vote with my consumer dollar all the time and won't buy an inferior product (and no I don't shop at Walmart but I have no political issues with them: I just prefer higher end stuff). But I just find it funny how people are demonizing certain companies as if they are living breathing incarnations of true evil. These companies are just people doing jobs, who have bosses trying to be successful, who themselves have bosses, etc and who are all working in the end at behest of the stockholders (e.g. everybody who has a 401K).
And although I used hyperbole my point is essentially unchanged. Me and these "greedy" companies don't have to be friends, heck we can even dislike each other. But we profit from each other and have a mutual understanding. They want my money, and I want them to make me a kick-ass game. Sure I can call them greedy, but they can call me selfish as well: I won't give them my hard earned money for their effort if it results in a crap game. Even if they tried really really hard and had the best intentions.
Just give me my kick-ass game and I'll give you my money...
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
This. Any company that is allright with their game being pay to win deserves to bankrupt.
I'm looking at you, Tubrine.
"Only in quiet waters do things mirror themselves undistorted.
Only in a quiet mind is adequate perception of the world."
Hans Margolius
Approach with great caution list.
1. SOE
2. CCP
3. Mythic
Avoid like the plague / Worst mmo companies on earth list.
1. Bigpoint
2. IGG
SOE is a given.
CCP lost my trust completely with the CEO/newsletter leak scandal.
Mythic - Made Warhammer online, enough said.
Bipoint is the actual enemy of MMOs, and intelligent people everywhere.
And IGG makes cash shops with games tacked on.
To find an intelligent person in a PUG is not that rare, but to find a PUG made up of "all" intelligent people is one of the rarest phenomenons in the known universe.
the no negative never no list:
cryptic
the proceed with caution list:
$oe
aventurine
EA-mythic
and, because it's great to be positive too! the good lists!!
the "it's got to be decent because these guys are good list":
Bioware
CCP
anything by Sid meier
Arena-net
the "oh, they made it, it's worth watching" list"
Blizzard
valve
the makers of lineage2
RIP Ribbitribbitt you are missed, kid.
Currently Playing EVE, ESO
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed.
Dwight D Eisenhower
My optimism wears heavy boots and is loud.
Henry Rollins
Yes, I caught the tendency to hyperbole.
I loved what you wrote; it's why I wanted to respond to it.
I think we agree on more than we disagree on, actually. I too want a kick-ass game and am willing to exchange a fair amount of cash for it.
May we see many worthy prospects in the years to come.
President of The Marvelously Meowhead Fan Club