My statement is quite a claim but you know i've beta tested just about every game thats come out in the last 6 years and i've worked with alot of dev's. In Irth Online is see something that i only saw in Wish and thats devs that genuinely take pride in what they're doing and want the community as involved as it possibly can be. I would like to see this approach become the norm. Technologically Irth Online is top of the line. This means that its a 3rd generation mmorpg. With the standards they are using they can easily upgrade graphics and content to maintain a competitive edge for years to come. Don't ever understimate a small company that cares about its community. CCP has set the standard for what 20 determined people can do and Magic Hat has the same dedication to its game. I could go on all day about the dev's at Magic Hat. They are the best.
Originally posted by StankRug Well that's refreshing to hear that you are so full on integrity. Just like your unbiased poll with no intention to trash DnL to enhance your beloved Irth Online.
I didn't trash it, i just said i've heard from several beta testers that it doesn't give moon from the sky and blend your coffee and give you wild loving every night like alot of people think...and thats quite big amount of people who hasnt been in to beta who thinks so and that is why I think lot of people will be feeling letdown while it'll be ok game, it'll have its flaws too.
I've said about irth that it isnt going to be flawless but it's going to be next best thing for UO fans whoms market has been very light with all these level grinds coming through.
I would have to agree that DnD is the biggest bust here. I saw it at E3 and there was nowhere to go and nothing to do in their live demo. I'm sure there were some dungeons down there, because thats all its going to have, but I certainly couldnt find them in my short time in the city.
Originally posted by Ferox(SM) Originally posted by KaneOriginally posted by Ferox(SM)wasnt one of these just made two days ago?again i say all of them.... because they are all the same old carebear EQ crapYou really have no clue, do you? I'm far from the biggest Irth Online fan (it has a LOOOOOONG way to go) but it has plenty of PvP. Anyone not of your kingdom is open season. I'd hardly call that "carebear". Not to mention its SKILL based, not level/class based. ah, ya got me on that one I didnt realize that was added in. as for lotr online... I agree with the above poster , simply because COMMON! its a game about a WORLD WAR... and theres no pvp ...
ROFL!
god I love the mmorpg industry...
Sorry for the harsh words, but I hate seeing "carebear" thrown around so much. Oh, and I agree...LOTROL lost me when it lost 1) the choice to be bad and 2) a dynamic world.
Originally posted by anarchyart Who the hell is overhyping Irth Online? If anything its over trolled by asses like you. Why didn't you just call this thread "Please hate Irth Online just like me". Dumbass.
I doubt he has ever even tested irth...he did this thread just because his ego got hurt for so many picking DnL as the most overhyped one in the original poll
Irth really can't be overhyped while over half doesnt even know what it is
Lets be serious here.. All of these games are still in development. There are aspects to some that i genuinely dont like but this is just based on my preference not to have instancing and to support some sort of large scale pvp. DnD online will be mostly instanced. I'm sure they'll put out a good product and judging that product at this time is kinda lame considering its nowhere near finished. As i said i judge a game on how it deals with being a mmorpg. If you instance you express failure in dealing with a massive community. Taking a community and breaking it up into parties is a step backwards. I'm not saying that grouping is a step backwards just that taking that group and creating their own little world is.
In my opinion EVE, Vanguard and Irth Online are going to be around and strong for quite some time.
Imperator has real possibilities but without PVP its might as well be a single player game.
Hero's Journey has a real good team behind it with a proven track record.. That and the fact that their office is about 20 minutes away make me like them lol but they never would have beat me at magic if i had their cards!...
Roma Victor will be a niche game and i'm sure it will make a serious go of things for years. If PE can do it so can RV.
DnL has real potential. Potential that is realized is a rare commodity in mmorpgs. To me DnL is EVE with swords and dragons. This means if they dont over complicate it upon release it has a real shot at being around for a long time. They will inevitably be a multi shard game. If EVE was more popular they'd have to open another shard. Current technology can only handle so much traffic. Sad but true.
As i've been drinking a bit i'll cut this off cuz i could go on all day spouting my bullshit..
PE you can make money ingame and exchange it for real like money.
In RV its considered a donation and you get a certain amount of ingame sesterces depending on the value of the poud and us dollar. You never get it back like in PE. You are right though in that RV is a niche game, it is definitly not for every player.
the way RV is setup also means that having tons of money only helps you in politics... extra money doesnt give you uber equipment, because there are none. It doesnt make you an uber warrior, because you have to work on your skills to do that. aven even if your a grand master 5 n00bs could gang up on you and take ya down.
as for Dark and Light, its very carebear, but the environment does look amazing. just like every other carebear mmo i'm sure it will do well for a while.
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Originally posted by Ferox(SM) Roma Victor is NOT the same as Project entropia.. PE you can make money ingame and exchange it for real like money.
In RV its considered a donation and you get a certain amount of ingame sesterces depending on the value of the poud and us dollar. You never get it back like in PE. the way RV is setup also means that having tons of money only helps you in politics... extra money doesnt give you uber equipment, because there are none. It doesnt make you an uber warrior, because you have to work on your skills to do that. aven even if your a grand master 5 n00bs could gang up on you and take ya down.
Thats not what i meant. RV like PE is counting on selling currency to pay for the game. The fact that you can cash that currency in for money in PE never occured to me as so far for me its been a one way investment lol. I was purely talking about how it plans to survive not the gameplay. RV is not PE if it was it would be called PE! RV has alot of promise and i look forward to playing it for a long time.
Originally posted by Ferox(SM) Roma Victor is NOT the same as Project entropia.. PE you can make money ingame and exchange it for real like money.
In RV its considered a donation and you get a certain amount of ingame sesterces depending on the value of the poud and us dollar. You never get it back like in PE. the way RV is setup also means that having tons of money only helps you in politics... extra money doesnt give you uber equipment, because there are none. It doesnt make you an uber warrior, because you have to work on your skills to do that. aven even if your a grand master 5 n00bs could gang up on you and take ya down.
Thats not what i meant. RV like PE is counting on selling currency to pay for the game. The fact that you can cash that currency in for money in PE never occured to me as so far for me its been a one way investment lol. I was purely talking about how it plans to survive not the gameplay. RV is not PE if it was it would be called PE! RV has alot of promise and i look forward to playing it for a long time.
ah yes I understand... It does worry me as well to be quite honest. I have no problem paying monthly for games.
_____________________________________________ "Old UO is now but a dream that will live in the hearts of the faithful for eternity."
Think you have what it takes to take the 'Oath of the legion' and become a true soldier of Rome? Service guarantees citizenship!
I apologize to the OP, I just think these types of threads do nothing to help any part of MMORPG's they only make poeple think we are a bunch of haters.
Irth Online and Dark and Light are both ambitious games with quality ideas. Just agree to disagree, slagging another game will NOT help your game be successful.
Well , me personaly I thinks dnd will be the biggest let down i used to play dnd on paper and it was the funnest thing in the world no mmorpg comes close to late nights around the table with 5 friends making adventures together. I really hope they don't kill it with the mmorpg
I really hope that it will turn out to be a good game but i highly doubt it
Man I wish i still played pen and paper dnd but i cant find any one to play with.
Probably go with DnD like alot of others. From what ive read of the game and gameplay/features, it seems really...boring
I mean Dungeons and Dragons is the grandfather of the modern rpg genre and as such id expect really great things from it. As it looks now, it looks like a half hearted attempt to get into a market, that they #1 started late in and #2 have no real vision. I expect more from DnD because of its prominence, not this watered down thing.
Originally posted by anarchyart I apologize to the OP, I just think these types of threads do nothing to help any part of MMORPG's they only make poeple think we are a bunch of haters. ...slagging another game will NOT help your game be successful.
Here! Here! kishe, you should listen to your buddy anarchyart. For he is wise.
Wow ...a lot of angry folks in this thread. I think D&D might be the one to crash and burn. And as for Irth, I am still in the "let's wait and see" frame of mind. I just wish they would share some new screenshots ...maybe sway the doubters away from their negativity.
Originally posted by Copeland My statement is quite a claim but you know i've beta tested just about every game thats come out in the last 6 years and i've worked with alot of dev's. In Irth Online is see something that i only saw in Wish and thats devs that genuinely take pride in what they're doing and want the community as involved as it possibly can be. I would like to see this approach become the norm. Technologically Irth Online is top of the line. This means that its a 3rd generation mmorpg. With the standards they are using they can easily upgrade graphics and content to maintain a competitive edge for years to come. Don't ever understimate a small company that cares about its community. CCP has set the standard for what 20 determined people can do and Magic Hat has the same dedication to its game. I could go on all day about the dev's at Magic Hat. They are the best.
This community has read about your extensive testing experience before. Volunteering, although certainly a good gesture on your part, is not the same as being an experienced paid professional. But perhaps you are a paid professional? At the very least you do answer directly ...unlike Kishe, who needs to refine this skill. If I see inconsistancies or bold claims without something to back it up, I press for a little information.
And again you are gushing about the devs. Before you go this route you might stop and do some investigating into the developer's prior endeavor. But since it is clear you are a diehard fan maybe you shouldn't.
Originally posted by SirBoris Originally posted by Copeland My statement is quite a claim but you know i've beta tested just about every game thats come out in the last 6 years and i've worked with alot of dev's. In Irth Online is see something that i only saw in Wish and thats devs that genuinely take pride in what they're doing and want the community as involved as it possibly can be. I would like to see this approach become the norm. Technologically Irth Online is top of the line. This means that its a 3rd generation mmorpg. With the standards they are using they can easily upgrade graphics and content to maintain a competitive edge for years to come. Don't ever understimate a small company that cares about its community. CCP has set the standard for what 20 determined people can do and Magic Hat has the same dedication to its game. I could go on all day about the dev's at Magic Hat. They are the best. This community has read about your extensive testing experience before. Volunteering, although certainly a good gesture on your part, is not the same as being an experienced paid professional. But perhaps you are a paid professional? At the very least you do answer directly ...unlike Kishe, who needs to refine this skill. If I see inconsistancies or bold claims without something to back it up, I press for a little information. And again you are gushing about the devs. Before you go this route you might stop and do some investigating into the developer's prior endeavor. But since it is clear you are a diehard fan maybe you shouldn't. Boris
Prior endeavor of magic hat?
Leadership was developers of Sphere, second famous server emulator for Ultima Online. (was first untill RunUO came about) and yes, those who know them, praise them for sheer fact you see changes done in beta all the time according to player feedback, they listen to players ideas and if they see something lot of testers really want or something they believe to be good idea, they do it...
and yes, feature wise Irth Online has everything neccesary to be called third gen...
True enough, they're extremely hard pressed to come out with a game that's going to be true to the lore of LOTR universe and still have it be a good MMORPG. I just don't see how it's going to work, because too many peeps are going to want to play as wizards while there only five wizards total in the world to begin with. And I have to say that not alowing orcs and/or trolls as playable races and the ability to join forces with Sauron is a bit of a letdown for this game, not so sorry to say it.
Originally posted by WillJones420 True enough, they're extremely hard pressed to come out with a game that's going to be true to the lore of LOTR universe and still have it be a good MMORPG. I just don't see how it's going to work, because too many peeps are going to want to play as wizards while there only five wizards total in the world to begin with. And I have to say that not alowing orcs and/or trolls as playable races and the ability to join forces with Sauron is a bit of a letdown for this game, not so sorry to say it.
Yah that one change all by itself killed any interest in the game for me. I'm sorry if I want to go wack on NPC orcs for the 1,000,000 time I will just go play EQ.
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Originally posted by Elnator There is no way, I stress this, no way that Turbine is going to come out with an MMO that lives up to the expectations of LOTR fans.
Yes, because you think that Turbine can actually manage to make a good D&D game.............
Originally posted by Elnator There is no way, I stress this, no way that Turbine is going to come out with an MMO that lives up to the expectations of LOTR fans.
Yes, because you think that Turbine can actually manage to make a good D&D game.............
What? LOL no I don't. They're gonna screw that one up too... But at least D&D lends itself to a cooperative non-PVP environment. So they don't have to worry about screwing that part up. In D&D the concept was always pretty much "good players vs. Evil monsters" or "evil players vs. good monsters" It was very very rarely "Evil players vs. Good players".
The LOTR development team at Turbine has already said they're nixxing the entire alignment system (WTF?). Everyone is just 'neutral'? LOL what a hoot. So if I go kill 40,000 hobbits the hobbits, elves, humans and dwarves won't hate me? That's just.... dumb. I suspect that'll change (and quickly) but for now that's sure what it sounds like.
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With no D&L on the list (which I think will flop like a fish out of water the more I look into the game) I think it'll be D&D. You can't recreate the land of D&D for everyone, because every pen$paper gm was completely different. My worlds were fun and chaotic, but some worlds I played in were just INSANE! Imagination has no parameters, but a game can only fit what is programmed in. No random anvils falling from the sky, no dogs that eat troll meat and become insane talking dogs (that don't mind very well!), hell - I bet you can't even ride a horse backwards!
ok you all dont know shit yall just know what the devs have let yall know i can understand irth tho that game does blow i remember running for 15mins strait and no sign of life what so ever but games like dnd lotr DnL yall dont know how they will be and to the guy that says i was in DnL beta so thats how i know your full of shit your not allowed to say your in the beta you liein sack of shit go plays yall wow and guild wars for the rest of your lives since all yall do thrash every other game that could be better
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My statement is quite a claim but you know i've beta tested just about every game thats come out in the last 6 years and i've worked with alot of dev's. In Irth Online is see something that i only saw in Wish and thats devs that genuinely take pride in what they're doing and want the community as involved as it possibly can be. I would like to see this approach become the norm. Technologically Irth Online is top of the line. This means that its a 3rd generation mmorpg. With the standards they are using they can easily upgrade graphics and content to maintain a competitive edge for years to come. Don't ever understimate a small company that cares about its community. CCP has set the standard for what 20 determined people can do and Magic Hat has the same dedication to its game. I could go on all day about the dev's at Magic Hat. They are the best.
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I didn't trash it, i just said i've heard from several beta testers that it doesn't give moon from the sky and blend your coffee and give you wild loving every night like alot of people think...and thats quite big amount of people who hasnt been in to beta who thinks so and that is why I think lot of people will be feeling letdown while it'll be ok game, it'll have its flaws too.
I've said about irth that it isnt going to be flawless but it's going to be next best thing for UO fans whoms market has been very light with all these level grinds coming through.
Sorry for the harsh words, but I hate seeing "carebear" thrown around so much. Oh, and I agree...LOTROL lost me when it lost 1) the choice to be bad and 2) a dynamic world.
I doubt he has ever even tested irth...he did this thread just because his ego got hurt for so many picking DnL as the most overhyped one in the original poll
Irth really can't be overhyped while over half doesnt even know what it is
Lets be serious here.. All of these games are still in development. There are aspects to some that i genuinely dont like but this is just based on my preference not to have instancing and to support some sort of large scale pvp. DnD online will be mostly instanced. I'm sure they'll put out a good product and judging that product at this time is kinda lame considering its nowhere near finished. As i said i judge a game on how it deals with being a mmorpg. If you instance you express failure in dealing with a massive community. Taking a community and breaking it up into parties is a step backwards. I'm not saying that grouping is a step backwards just that taking that group and creating their own little world is.
In my opinion EVE, Vanguard and Irth Online are going to be around and strong for quite some time.
Imperator has real possibilities but without PVP its might as well be a single player game.
Hero's Journey has a real good team behind it with a proven track record.. That and the fact that their office is about 20 minutes away make me like them lol but they never would have beat me at magic if i had their cards!...
Roma Victor will be a niche game and i'm sure it will make a serious go of things for years. If PE can do it so can RV.
DnL has real potential. Potential that is realized is a rare commodity in mmorpgs. To me DnL is EVE with swords and dragons. This means if they dont over complicate it upon release it has a real shot at being around for a long time. They will inevitably be a multi shard game. If EVE was more popular they'd have to open another shard. Current technology can only handle so much traffic. Sad but true.
As i've been drinking a bit i'll cut this off cuz i could go on all day spouting my bullshit..
Make a difference!
Roma Victor is NOT the same as Project entropia..
PE you can make money ingame and exchange it for real like money.
In RV its considered a donation and you get a certain amount of ingame sesterces depending on the value of the poud and us dollar. You never get it back like in PE. You are right though in that RV is a niche game, it is definitly not for every player.
the way RV is setup also means that having tons of money only helps you in politics... extra money doesnt give you uber equipment, because there are none. It doesnt make you an uber warrior, because you have to work on your skills to do that. aven even if your a grand master 5 n00bs could gang up on you and take ya down.
as for Dark and Light, its very carebear, but the environment does look amazing. just like every other carebear mmo i'm sure it will do well for a while.
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Think you have what it takes to take the 'Oath of the legion' and become a true soldier of Rome?
Service guarantees citizenship!
Thats not what i meant. RV like PE is counting on selling currency to pay for the game. The fact that you can cash that currency in for money in PE never occured to me as so far for me its been a one way investment lol. I was purely talking about how it plans to survive not the gameplay. RV is not PE if it was it would be called PE! RV has alot of promise and i look forward to playing it for a long time.
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D&D and Middle Earth will be the two biggest flops.
Simply because Turbine is developing them.
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Thats not what i meant. RV like PE is counting on selling currency to pay for the game. The fact that you can cash that currency in for money in PE never occured to me as so far for me its been a one way investment lol. I was purely talking about how it plans to survive not the gameplay. RV is not PE if it was it would be called PE! RV has alot of promise and i look forward to playing it for a long time.
ah yes I understand... It does worry me as well to be quite honest. I have no problem paying monthly for games.
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"Old UO is now but a dream that will live in the hearts of the faithful for eternity."
Think you have what it takes to take the 'Oath of the legion' and become a true soldier of Rome?
Service guarantees citizenship!
I apologize to the OP, I just think these types of threads do nothing to help any part of MMORPG's they only make poeple think we are a bunch of haters.
Irth Online and Dark and Light are both ambitious games with quality ideas. Just agree to disagree, slagging another game will NOT help your game be successful.
Well , me personaly I thinks dnd will be the biggest let down i used to play dnd on paper and it was the funnest thing in the world no mmorpg comes close to late nights around the table with 5 friends making adventures together. I really hope they don't kill it with the mmorpg
I really hope that it will turn out to be a good game but i highly doubt it
Man I wish i still played pen and paper dnd but i cant find any one to play with.
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Probably go with DnD like alot of others. From what ive read of the game and gameplay/features, it seems really...boring
I mean Dungeons and Dragons is the grandfather of the modern rpg genre and as such id expect really great things from it. As it looks now, it looks like a half hearted attempt to get into a market, that they #1 started late in and #2 have no real vision. I expect more from DnD because of its prominence, not this watered down thing.
Wow ...a lot of angry folks in this thread. I think D&D might be the one to crash and burn. And as for Irth, I am still in the "let's wait and see" frame of mind. I just wish they would share some new screenshots ...maybe sway the doubters away from their negativity.
This community has read about your extensive testing experience before. Volunteering, although certainly a good gesture on your part, is not the same as being an experienced paid professional. But perhaps you are a paid professional? At the very least you do answer directly ...unlike Kishe, who needs to refine this skill. If I see inconsistancies or bold claims without something to back it up, I press for a little information.
And again you are gushing about the devs. Before you go this route you might stop and do some investigating into the developer's prior endeavor. But since it is clear you are a diehard fan maybe you shouldn't.
Boris
Prior endeavor of magic hat?
Leadership was developers of Sphere, second famous server emulator for Ultima Online. (was first untill RunUO came about) and yes, those who know them, praise them for sheer fact you see changes done in beta all the time according to player feedback, they listen to players ideas and if they see something lot of testers really want or something they believe to be good idea, they do it...
and yes, feature wise Irth Online has everything neccesary to be called third gen...
How anyone expects any game besides LOTR to be "the biggest letdown" is beyond me.
There is no way, I stress this, no way that Turbine is going to come out with an MMO that lives up to the expectations of LOTR fans.
Hell I'm willing to bet that LOTR Online doesn't even live up to THIS game (Which is a Text Based MMO aka MUD):
Multi Users in Middle Earth
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Still in: A couple Betas
True enough, they're extremely hard pressed to come out with a game that's going to be true to the lore of LOTR universe and still have it be a good MMORPG. I just don't see how it's going to work, because too many peeps are going to want to play as wizards while there only five wizards total in the world to begin with. And I have to say that not alowing orcs and/or trolls as playable races and the ability to join forces with Sauron is a bit of a letdown for this game, not so sorry to say it.
Yah that one change all by itself killed any interest in the game for me. I'm sorry if I want to go wack on NPC orcs for the 1,000,000 time I will just go play EQ.
Currently Playing: Dungeons and Dragons Online.
Sig image Pending
Still in: A couple Betas
What? LOL no I don't. They're gonna screw that one up too... But at least D&D lends itself to a cooperative non-PVP environment. So they don't have to worry about screwing that part up. In D&D the concept was always pretty much "good players vs. Evil monsters" or "evil players vs. good monsters" It was very very rarely "Evil players vs. Good players".
The LOTR development team at Turbine has already said they're nixxing the entire alignment system (WTF?). Everyone is just 'neutral'? LOL what a hoot. So if I go kill 40,000 hobbits the hobbits, elves, humans and dwarves won't hate me? That's just.... dumb. I suspect that'll change (and quickly) but for now that's sure what it sounds like.
Currently Playing: Dungeons and Dragons Online.
Sig image Pending
Still in: A couple Betas
LOL! I know it is off topic but I found out the identity of Sir Boris. LOL!
http://www.angelfire.com/mech/sirboris/
ok you all dont know shit yall just know what the devs have let yall know i can understand irth tho that game does blow i remember running for 15mins strait and no sign of life what so ever but games like dnd lotr DnL yall dont know how they will be and to the guy that says i was in DnL beta so thats how i know your full of shit your not allowed to say your in the beta you liein sack of shit go plays yall wow and guild wars for the rest of your lives since all yall do thrash every other game that could be better
"Negaholics are people who become addicted to negativity and self-doubt, they find fault in most things and never seem to be satisfied."
^MMORPG.com