Speed of leveling

vtravi · October 2011

After reading a few of the previews I see that most of the writers played for 2 weeks got anywhere between lvl 14-22. This seems to be a reasonable speed if this is the norm. I feel like a new MMO should take at least a month for a fast leveler to get to cap and 3-4 months for slow levelers.

I think we all have seen what stupid fast leveling did to rift and how it affects nearly every aspect of the game down the line. I would hate to see this happen to SWTOR.

Guileplayer · October 2011

Don't forget DCUO. You got to max level in that game so fast and then.....you have nothing to do.

Biggus99 · October 2011

Yeah, it seems as though the pace of levelling, from what I've gathered from previews, as well as the claims of 200 hours of gameplay for class quests, seems to be pretty decent. Of course, that never takes into account the powergamers who will space bar their way through all the quest dialogue and play for 24 hours straight just to get to max level, but overall, this should be nowhere near as ridiculously bad as Rift was. The journey will be much more rewarding.

Silax · October 2011

Don't forget also that there will always be that population (*cough* college students *cough*) that manage to spend a whole week doing nothing but racking in hours. 150-200 hours to level 50 is nothing if you spend 16 hours a day gaming. I imagine there will be quite a number of people sitting at the top spot within a week. I still expect that it will take me far longer, so I will enjoy my time rather than indulge like a binge drinker.

vtravi · October 2011

Yea I am not talking about speed levelers, there is nothing you can do about them. It will just be nice to be able to sell low lvl crafted items in the AH. In Rift they never sold cause you out leveled items too fast.

Also does anyone know if they have a rest XP system. In Wow you have to be in a city to gain but in Lotro you gain just from not playing.

Lord.Bachus · October 2011

Originally posted by vtravi
After reading a few of the previews I see that most of the writers played for 2 weeks got anywhere between lvl 14-22. This seems to be a reasonable speed if this is the norm. I feel like a new MMO should take at least a month for a fast leveler to get to cap and 3-4 months for slow levelers.

I think we all have seen what stupid fast leveling did to rift and how it affects nearly every aspect of the game down the line. I would hate to see this happen to SWTOR.

I just smiled at those numbers, nodding in agreement...

And then it struck my mind, how long did it take casual players to reach level cap in EQ when it released ages ago.... Something about the middle road.... i agree that many of the current games level to fast, espescially for players like me that enjoy the journey most of everything. While back in the old days leveling times in EQ where kind of horrid...

DrunkWolf · October 2011

Originally posted by Guileplayer
Don't forget DCUO. You got to max level in that game so fast and then.....you have nothing to do.

what do u mean? they had a whole 2 raids on a week timer LOL plenty to do!!

nicksname · October 2011

I hope it takes longer to play 20-50 than it does 1-20.

Just saying.

arieste · October 2011

level 20 in 20 hours is about what it took in rift if you did all the content (as opposed to power-leveling). so seems like similar pace. although really, levels 1-20 are rarely a good indicator of the rest of game.

popinjay · October 2011

Originally posted by vtravi
After reading a few of the previews I see that most of the writers played for 2 weeks got anywhere between lvl 14-22. This seems to be a reasonable speed if this is the norm. I feel like a new MMO should take at least a month for a fast leveler to get to cap and 3-4 months for slow levelers.

I think we all have seen what stupid fast leveling did to rift and how it affects nearly every aspect of the game down the line. I would hate to see this happen to SWTOR.

I'm encouraged by what I've read by just about every reviewer, good or bad, said about the leveling time.

I have yet to read a review where someone said "I went from level 1 to level 10 in 30 minutes". When I compare this to Rift, the most recent mmo out, that's exactly what happened. The curve was way too easy and that continued over the entire game. Level 50 was easily reached in one month and that was without any sort of all-night grinding method because you literally fought mobs every two feet in just getting to your quests. It didn't bother me (the fighting) but I made the exp so much faster unfortunately. Even doing rifts gave you tons of exp quick. Just too fast.

Everyone I've seen reviewing TOR has said the leveling process was not easy at all and I'm assuming these guys weren't even doing any type of exploring, just doing typical quests and stuff.

arieste · October 2011

Originally posted by popinjay

Originally posted by vtravi

After reading a few of the previews I see that most of the writers played for 2 weeks got anywhere between lvl 14-22. This seems to be a reasonable speed if this is the norm. I feel like a new MMO should take at least a month for a fast leveler to get to cap and 3-4 months for slow levelers.

I think we all have seen what stupid fast leveling did to rift and how it affects nearly every aspect of the game down the line. I would hate to see this happen to SWTOR.

I'm encouraged by what I've read by just about every reviewer, good or bad, said about the leveling time.

I have yet to read a review where someone said "I went from level 1 to level 10 in 30 minutes". When I compare this to Rift, the most recent mmo out, that's exactly what happened. The curve was way too easy and that continued over the entire game. Level 50 was easily reached in one month and that was without any sort of all-night grinding method because you literally fought mobs every two feet in just getting to your quests. It didn't bother me (the fighting) but I made the exp so much faster unfortunately. Even doing rifts gave you tons of exp quick. Just too fast.

Everyone I've seen reviewing TOR has said the leveling process was not easy at all and I'm assuming these guys weren't even doing any type of exploring, just doing typical quests and stuff.

BS. Most people don't even finish the tutorial area in rift in 30 minutes, much less make level 10. You make about level 4 or 5 in that time.

I've had about 5 level 20s in Rift. The first 2 or 3 took approx 20 hours each - same as reported for SWTOR - and the next few i had cut it down to maybe 15 hours since i started skipping some content.

Based on these times, Rift is probably the best indicator of EXACTLY the kind of leveling curve you should expect. Probably a good indicator of the type of progression too, as Rift was all about doing 100 solo quests at hubs and then a new dungeon or two every 10 levels after 20. It sounds like TOR has the same thing going. Rift also had the dynamic content which made for an alternate leveling option, something TOR doesn't have an equivalent for afaik.

popinjay · October 2011

Originally posted by arieste

Originally posted by popinjay

Originally posted by vtravi
After reading a few of the previews I see that most of the writers played for 2 weeks got anywhere between lvl 14-22. This seems to be a reasonable speed if this is the norm. I feel like a new MMO should take at least a month for a fast leveler to get to cap and 3-4 months for slow levelers.

I think we all have seen what stupid fast leveling did to rift and how it affects nearly every aspect of the game down the line. I would hate to see this happen to SWTOR.

I'm encouraged by what I've read by just about every reviewer, good or bad, said about the leveling time.

I have yet to read a review where someone said "I went from level 1 to level 10 in 30 minutes". When I compare this to Rift, the most recent mmo out, that's exactly what happened. The curve was way too easy and that continued over the entire game. Level 50 was easily reached in one month and that was without any sort of all-night grinding method because you literally fought mobs every two feet in just getting to your quests. It didn't bother me (the fighting) but I made the exp so much faster unfortunately. Even doing rifts gave you tons of exp quick. Just too fast.

Everyone I've seen reviewing TOR has said the leveling process was not easy at all and I'm assuming these guys weren't even doing any type of exploring, just doing typical quests and stuff.

BS. Most people don't even finish the tutorial area in rift in 30 minutes, much less make level 10. You make about level 4 or 5 in that time.

I've had about 5 level 20s in Rift. The first 2 or 3 took approx 20 hours each - same as reported for SWTOR - and the next few i had cut it down to maybe 15 hours since i started skipping some content.

Based on these times, Rift is probably the best indicator of EXACTLY the kind of leveling curve you should expect. Probably a good indicator of the type of progression too, as Rift was all about doing 100 solo quests at hubs and then a new dungeon or two every 10 levels after 20. It sounds like TOR has the same thing going. Rift also had the dynamic content which made for an alternate leveling option, something TOR doesn't have an equivalent for afaik.

Not BS. The tutorial is literally 30 minutes. You get out at level 6 or so. What game were you playing? You do like, 6 quests or so then go through the rift. You're telling fibs.

I've had more level 20s in six months time than you do, so now what? If it takes you 20hours to get to level 20 in Rift, you probably should try playing Checkers. There simply isn't that amount of difficulty there at all. When you do a quest, you get five. You do them all in one shot, then turn it in. It doesn't even require any type of grinding at all. Then you fight tons of mobs not even involved in the quests due to mob density.

You probably won't play TOR so you won't actually know. You actually need to pay more attention to what most people say who's played Rift regarding leveling times in their reviews. You will never, ever find anyone saying Rift was some hard chore.. you'll find people saying it was actually one of the easiest mmos they've ever played leveling wise.

RavingRabbid · October 2011

I enjoyed the leveling speed (when i beta'd) also as I'm not a power gamer. i want to enjoy the game as much as possible. everyhting in due time

***Raises plunger in salute to Storylines!***

arieste · October 2011

Originally posted by popinjay

Originally posted by arieste

Originally posted by popinjay

Originally posted by vtravi

After reading a few of the previews I see that most of the writers played for 2 weeks got anywhere between lvl 14-22. This seems to be a reasonable speed if this is the norm. I feel like a new MMO should take at least a month for a fast leveler to get to cap and 3-4 months for slow levelers.

I think we all have seen what stupid fast leveling did to rift and how it affects nearly every aspect of the game down the line. I would hate to see this happen to SWTOR.

I'm encouraged by what I've read by just about every reviewer, good or bad, said about the leveling time.

I have yet to read a review where someone said "I went from level 1 to level 10 in 30 minutes". When I compare this to Rift, the most recent mmo out, that's exactly what happened. The curve was way too easy and that continued over the entire game. Level 50 was easily reached in one month and that was without any sort of all-night grinding method because you literally fought mobs every two feet in just getting to your quests. It didn't bother me (the fighting) but I made the exp so much faster unfortunately. Even doing rifts gave you tons of exp quick. Just too fast.

Everyone I've seen reviewing TOR has said the leveling process was not easy at all and I'm assuming these guys weren't even doing any type of exploring, just doing typical quests and stuff.

BS. Most people don't even finish the tutorial area in rift in 30 minutes, much less make level 10. You make about level 4 or 5 in that time.

I've had about 5 level 20s in Rift. The first 2 or 3 took approx 20 hours each - same as reported for SWTOR - and the next few i had cut it down to maybe 15 hours since i started skipping some content.

Based on these times, Rift is probably the best indicator of EXACTLY the kind of leveling curve you should expect. Probably a good indicator of the type of progression too, as Rift was all about doing 100 solo quests at hubs and then a new dungeon or two every 10 levels after 20. It sounds like TOR has the same thing going. Rift also had the dynamic content which made for an alternate leveling option, something TOR doesn't have an equivalent for afaik.

Not BS. The tutorial is literally 30 minutes. You get out at level 6 or so. What game were you playing? You do like, 6 quests or so then go through the rift. You're telling fibs.

I've had more level 20s in six months time than you do, so now what? If it takes you 20hours to get to level 20 in Rift, you probably should try playing Checkers. There simply isn't that amount of difficulty there at all. When you do a quest, you get five. You do them all in one shot, then turn it in. It doesn't even require any type of grinding at all. Then you fight tons of mobs not even involved in the quests due to mob density.

You probably won't play TOR so you won't actually know. You actually need to pay more attention to what most people say who's played Rift regarding leveling times in their reviews. You will never, ever find anyone saying Rift was some hard chore.. you'll find people saying it was actually one of the easiest mmos they've ever played leveling wise.

I'm willing to back my shit up, how about you? Let's get into rift tonight and if you can make level 10 in 30 minutes as you said above, I'll come back here and tell everyone I was wrong and you're right.

Until then, you're full of it.

I agree that htere is no difficulty in Rift - when did i say otherwise? But - as a new player - you still have to figure out how the game works, where everything is and read those 100 terribly written quests and figure out where to go for them - even if you DO take 5 at a time.

And yes, Rift is by far the easiest major MMO i've played to level in. My point wasn't that it's not. My point is that by all accounts, it sounds like SWTOR is closer to Rift in terms of leveling speed than anything else. Reviews are saying 20 hours to level 20. That's on the first playthrough, while reading all the quests and not knowing where to go. So, that means that once you're no longer interested in the quests and DO know where to go, you're going to go 1-20 in 10 hours. Which - if anything, is probably even less than Rift.

popinjay · October 2011

Originally posted by arieste
I'm willing to back my shit up, how about you? Let's get into rift tonight and if you can make level 10 in 30 minutes as you said above, I'll come back here and tell everyone I was wrong and you're right.
Until then, you're full of it.

I agree that htere is no difficulty in Rift - when did i say otherwise? But - as a new player - you still have to figure out how the game works, where everything is and read those 100 terribly written quests and figure out where to go for them - even if you DO take 5 at a time.

And yes, Rift is by far the easiest major MMO i've played to level in. My point wasn't that it's not. My point is that by all accounts, it sounds like SWTOR is closer to Rift in terms of leveling speed than anything else. Reviews are saying 20 hours to level 20. That's on the first playthrough, while reading all the quests and not knowing where to go. So, that means that once you're no longer interested in the quests and DO know where to go, you're going to go 1-20 in 10 hours. Which - if anything, is probably even less than Rift.

Back what up? I played Rift at launch and signed up for six months. My sub has lapsed. I'm not willing to pay for that game, lol.

It doesn't much longer than 30 minutes guy. If it took you two hours, I don't know what to say about that really. Doesn't mean you're bad.. maybe it means you were checking out the scenery or the background or fiddling with UIs and counted that as time as well.. I dunno. But it didn't take me much longer than 30 minutes or so. It really isn't a pissing contest here, so you should probably tone it down a bit.

The fact is MOST of these reviews of TOR, whether they are good or bad, do NOT say TOR is some easy leveling game. If it was, you can best believe that those experienced mmo players would mention it in their article yet not ONE does. Regardless of what you think that says a lot for the game. They didn't even say things trolls say like "Oh well you spend all the time in cutscenes" either. They mention them but they would have pointed out if it felt as though most of their leveling time was spent watching videos, dontcha think?

There is no way TOR and Rift are on the same leveling pace because half of the people in Rift can hit max extremely fast, and that's not even the hardcores. You get that right from the start in Rift in the tutorial area, it's a easy quick game to play. Doesn't make it bad but it makes it easy, which in many ways makes it boring. When you get into higher levels its all AOE this, AOE that, AOE heal/taunt, those.. easiness. Again, that's not bad for those players who want that, but I'm looking for more challenging play (hello, crowd control classes?) and an actual journey instead of "Generic Quest #45".

grawss · October 2011

Originally posted by popinjay
"I went from level 1 to level 10 in 30 minutes". When I compare this to Rift, the most recent mmo out, that's exactly what happened.

Originally posted by popinjay
Not BS. The tutorial is literally 30 minutes. You get out at level 6 or so.

Originally posted by popinjay
It doesn't much longer than 30 minutes guy.

First 1-10 in 30 minutes, then 1-6 in 30 minutes, then maybe longer than 30 minutes.

I love you Popinjay.

popinjay · October 2011

Originally posted by grawss
Originally posted by popinjay"I went from level 1 to level 10 in 30 minutes". When I compare this to Rift, the most recent mmo out, that's exactly what happened.
Originally posted by popinjayNot BS. The tutorial is literally 30 minutes. You get out at level 6 or so.

Originally posted by popinjay

It doesn't much longer than 30 minutes guy.

First 1-10 in 30 minutes, then 1-6 in 30 minutes, then maybe longer than 30 minutes.

I love you Popinjay.

If it took 31 minutes, then you'd be the first in line with "Aha!" so "30 minutes or so".

It certainly didn't take me one hour, that's for sure.

grawss · October 2011

Originally posted by popinjay

Originally posted by grawss

Originally posted by popinjay

"I went from level 1 to level 10 in 30 minutes". When I compare this to Rift, the most recent mmo out, that's exactly what happened.

Originally posted by popinjay

Not BS. The tutorial is literally 30 minutes. You get out at level 6 or so.

Originally posted by popinjay

It doesn't much longer than 30 minutes guy.

First 1-10 in 30 minutes, then 1-6 in 30 minutes, then maybe longer than 30 minutes.

I love you Popinjay.

If it took 31 minutes, then you'd be the first in line with "Aha!" so "30 minutes or so".

It certainly didn't take me one hour, that's for sure.

Would I? Gosh, you must know me better than I do! O_o

hikaru77 · October 2011

Originally posted by arieste

Originally posted by popinjay

Originally posted by vtravi

After reading a few of the previews I see that most of the writers played for 2 weeks got anywhere between lvl 14-22. This seems to be a reasonable speed if this is the norm. I feel like a new MMO should take at least a month for a fast leveler to get to cap and 3-4 months for slow levelers.

I think we all have seen what stupid fast leveling did to rift and how it affects nearly every aspect of the game down the line. I would hate to see this happen to SWTOR.

I'm encouraged by what I've read by just about every reviewer, good or bad, said about the leveling time.

I have yet to read a review where someone said "I went from level 1 to level 10 in 30 minutes". When I compare this to Rift, the most recent mmo out, that's exactly what happened. The curve was way too easy and that continued over the entire game. Level 50 was easily reached in one month and that was without any sort of all-night grinding method because you literally fought mobs every two feet in just getting to your quests. It didn't bother me (the fighting) but I made the exp so much faster unfortunately. Even doing rifts gave you tons of exp quick. Just too fast.

Everyone I've seen reviewing TOR has said the leveling process was not easy at all and I'm assuming these guys weren't even doing any type of exploring, just doing typical quests and stuff.

BS. Most people don't even finish the tutorial area in rift in 30 minutes, much less make level 10. You make about level 4 or 5 in that time.

I've had about 5 level 20s in Rift. The first 2 or 3 took approx 20 hours each - same as reported for SWTOR - and the next few i had cut it down to maybe 15 hours since i started skipping some content.

Based on these times, Rift is probably the best indicator of EXACTLY the kind of leveling curve you should expect. Probably a good indicator of the type of progression too, as Rift was all about doing 100 solo quests at hubs and then a new dungeon or two every 10 levels after 20. It sounds like TOR has the same thing going. Rift also had the dynamic content which made for an alternate leveling option, something TOR doesn't have an equivalent for afaik.

SWTOR have dialogues, cutscenes and a story that you cant just ignore, because your decisions have consequences. so as an example a generic quest like ¨kill 10 things¨ who normally take you 10-15 min in a MMO like rift, in swtor the same quest will take you like 40 min, sure you can just skip all de cutscenes and dialogues but that will be just stupid, is like buy a movie to watch just tne end, but still some people will do it and i just fell sorry for them. Even better, you cant grind in swtor like some people did in rift or any other MMO before, Grind in TOR mean = a useless Toon, so probably for the normal people (im not talking about the non-life guys) gonna take us like a Month or maybe more to hit the cap.

Purutzil · October 2011

Keep in mind, press aren't usually the 'super fast' ones in leveling. I'm sure there will people who will speed through the game pretty quickly. Take out all the 'cutscenes' and that snazzy stuff and I'll bet you the game leveling is a lot faster then you expect. They simply capitalize on a player being captivated on a story to make it take longer, which isn't a bad thing either if it works.

popinjay · October 2011

Originally posted by grawss

Originally posted by popinjay

Originally posted by grawss

Originally posted by popinjay

"I went from level 1 to level 10 in 30 minutes". When I compare this to Rift, the most recent mmo out, that's exactly what happened.

Originally posted by popinjay

Not BS. The tutorial is literally 30 minutes. You get out at level 6 or so.

Originally posted by popinjay

It doesn't much longer than 30 minutes guy.

First 1-10 in 30 minutes, then 1-6 in 30 minutes, then maybe longer than 30 minutes.
I love you Popinjay.

If it took 31 minutes, then you'd be the first in line with "Aha!" so "30 minutes or so".

It certainly didn't take me one hour, that's for sure.

Would I? Gosh, you must know me better than I do! O_o

Indeed Space.. indeed.

popinjay · October 2011

Originally posted by Purutzil
Keep in mind, press aren't usually the 'super fast' ones in leveling. I'm sure there will people who will speed through the game pretty quickly. Take out all the 'cutscenes' and that snazzy stuff and I'll bet you the game leveling is a lot faster then you expect. They simply capitalize on a player being captivated on a story to make it take longer, which isn't a bad thing either if it works.

Probably not.

You forget TOR is made for the casual gamer playing a themepark, you know.. the WoW type player. Do many of them fly through WoW content overall or do they spend time doing everything else at the lower/middle levels?

It's not how fast it takes the hardcore/experienced gamer sometimes, because people like you, me and others who instinctively KNOW how to level can get through most any game quick.

It's how long it takes the novice casual gamer; this was my point about Rift. Even that casual WoW type player can blow through their content.

The fact that you are even suggesting "Take out all the 'cutscenes' and that snazzy stuff" is the point. That's PART of the content aka LORE, story, immersion. Why would you want to take that out??? /boggled

Unknown · October 2011

I wouldn't bother even considering speed of leveling until the last week of beta before early start.

Games often inflate speed initially and then fuck with it perpetually until the end.

Punkre · October 2011

Its a pretty slow leveling for those who actually listen to all the quests.

For those that spacebar through and skip all the side quests and go straight through the class storyline, they will probably end up being max level way before any one else.

This isn't WoW, you don't get incentives for finding the uber fast way to grind out your levels the fastest. So in at least one aspect of the game it is clearly not trying to gain a specific part of the WoW fanbasis.

popinjay · October 2011

Originally posted by Punkre
Its a pretty slow leveling for those who actually listen to all the quests.
For those that spacebar through and skip all the side quests and go straight through the class storyline, they will probably end up being max level way before any one else.
This isn't WoW, you don't get incentives for finding the uber fast way to grind out your levels the fastest. So in at least one aspect of the game it is clearly not trying to gain a specific part of the WoW fanbasis.

Hallelujah.

I get tired of telling party members "Just one sec, I'm still reading the quest to find out why we are going to kill those ten pigs" and they're all like, "cmon dude.. let's just go kill them"

Now I don't have to.

Still looking forward to this game.

Clywd · October 2011

Originally posted by grawss

Originally posted by popinjay

"I went from level 1 to level 10 in 30 minutes". When I compare this to Rift, the most recent mmo out, that's exactly what happened.

Originally posted by popinjay

Not BS. The tutorial is literally 30 minutes. You get out at level 6 or so.

Originally posted by popinjay

It doesn't much longer than 30 minutes guy.

First 1-10 in 30 minutes, then 1-6 in 30 minutes, then maybe longer than 30 minutes.

I love you Popinjay.

But he is right... the tutorial is easily done in less than 30 minutes. To go from 6 to 10 you do only one quest hub, so for speed levelers it is doable in less than another 30 minutes. On release the first lvl 50 appeared after two days of grinding...

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