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[Mod Edit] My opinion of the expansion.
nomatics856
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Im not a WoW fanboy, I do play WoW, did play WoW but my favorite all time MMORPG will be old school EQ and UO, I know WoW bashing is fun and popular but its sad to see a hobby of mine get thrashed so bad on this site its unbelievable. WoWs new xpac added more than any other mmorpg I have known of, a new race and a new class, a huge starting area, a new way to look at the pet system of non NPC pets, and then people say pandas are pandering to the chinese, blizzard takes their races and attach them to real life races
tauren = native american
orc = african
trolls = jamaican
worgen = english
dwarves scottish
etc etc
and the pandarian have been huge in warcraft lore, chen stormsnout alone was a huge impact to the lore. This is a great expansion, while I wont be playing a pandarean, Its a great addition to see. but I cant believe how bad t his game gets bashed on this site, EQ 2/ SOE releases their latest expansion a 1 class that should of been there from the start and a few zones and raids.
gets huge apprasial, and not even speaking of LOTOR expansions.
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well i for one dont care about pandas...actually i like the asian theme of the new exp BUT i cant stand POKEMON...seriously something doesnt make it for me...as for themes...well the N.elfs really have an asian like theme but it might be juts me...as for the critique for WoW for the past month or something the majority of the forums were certain that pandaria was the next exp BUT they also thought PANDAS were a joke and blizz had something else in store.
for me POKEMON is the deal breaker...dont know about the rest
oh and the new talent trees...
the pokemon thing isnt really a huge game breaker/ changer, its just a nice incentive to collecting/having NPC pets, cause before they didnt really do anything and were just a cosmetic feature.
Well you don't have to do any of the pokemon stuff. I personally like it because it means blizzard is finally thinking of other things to do at endgame besides bg/arena/dungeons/raid, though I would prefer something else
The talent tree thing is far more of a concern for me than pandas also.
To OP:
Why did you put this in general forums? This website is generally a WoW hate site, you're just getting people that weren't trolling the Wow forums involved.
Don't forget:
Nelf: Japanese/Greek Mix
Human: Typical Medieval European (apparently the only thing allowed in a Western MMO)
Draenei: Russian (lol just a little, but still)
"Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about events, and small minds talk about people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
"Americans used to roar like lions for liberty; now we bleat like sheep for security." -Norman Vincent Peale
You were doing pretty decent till this part. First, the new expansion hasn't added anything yet, we don't know what will really make it in and what won't, so this statement is already pretty out there. Second, looking at the current list of changes, it is a pretty standard expansion content-wise, nothing really huge going for it. A statement like this really hits credibility.
But more to the point, this really does belong in the WoW section, we don't need more panda flame threads here, let alone outside the WoW section.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
New race, new class, beautiful new continent to explore. Improved talent system, PvE scenarios... I have been taking a break from WoW, but the announcement of Mists of Pandaria has won me over. I will be reactivating the day it launches
As far as the NPC pets used as "Pokemon" now, I know why.
Now there is a reason to spend 10$ on a NPC pet from their store, why else would they introduce it?
Why not introduce housing instead? Is it because they cannot make money from introducing housing?
I know it sounds "conspiracy-ish" but I believe one of the main reasons blizzard chose to use NPC pets "pokemon" style is to increase their item shop sales.
Expect a whole new line of cash shop NPC pets to be arriving soon.
I am entitled to my opinions, misspellings, and grammatical errors.
Pandas were a complete joke race created as a joke to be a joke. They could have gone in other directions that made sense in WoW lore, but chose Pandas. It does not make sense to a lot of people.
Well i find it hard to believe you are not a Wow fanbois,i call lies.If Eq is your fave game,then why are you playing WOw?Also Pandaren are NOT huge Warcraft Lore.The Pandaren was made as a JOKE towards Blizzards lead graphic Artist Samwise who loves pandas,otherwise i am 99% sure it would have NEVER been a part of the game what so ever.
Also the TIMING of the Pandaren is impeccable being released post Kung Fu Panda movie.If this was such a HUGE part of their LORE it would have been in previous versions of Wow and was not.Also when using the "Blizzard" tag,you only need to know that Samwise graphic influence is far beyond noticeable because he is also the lead on all their games.All of Blizzards games have that cheap cartoon look and it is because of Samwise not Blizzard he likes his cartoon look,sort of like a big kid.
Yes i agree there seems to be some hatred towards Wow,i don't HATE the game what so ever,but i call a spade when i see it and Wow is not a well done game on any level at least to the way i would design a MMORPG.That part is of course opinion,but at least if i was desgining a MMORPG,it would stay true to it's genre and not stray to get subscriptions or copy other games weak ideas.Aslo when calling so much hatred you need to also realize there has been hundreds of posts by Wow fanbois atagonizing people in forums with nonsense like WOW "must be the best ,it has the most subs" sort of bull.
As for tooting Bliizzards content and xpacs,that is laughable,NOT one single game comes close to the content in FFXI and not in any xpac either.I mentioned in past that Sqaure Enix used up so many ideas in FFXI that they were soon going to run out of ideas and i was sort of right.Now what they did is the simplistic type content Blizzard does as in Dailies [book burns] and they even used in FFXIV in Leves,sad really.
BTW that Dailies idea or Leves in FFXIV or book burns in FFXI is the EXACT reason i quit FFXI and do not play FFXIV,so it shows what i think of that type of content that Blizzard designs to make me quit my favourite game of 8 years.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Now, more than ever, World of Warcraft is clearly a kids game.
pandarias are nowhere in the lore to be found....its a an april fools and just that....the only references are chen the bremaster in a couple quests and some items
and the pandaren hero in W3
but people loved them so people asked them for it....if i remember correctly SAMWISE used them as a trademark in many paintings in in a way the CREATOR of skroutz mac duck(Carl banks)had done in the past and that being to spot the panda in the picture...for instance in the warglaives of azinoth in W3 the handgrips had the face of a panda ETC thats why people liked them,anyway I REALLY LIKE THE CONSEPT OF PANDARIA and i would easily play a pandaren either monk or something else...also the entire ASIAN style is good too
BUT
In the begining of WoW the N.elves where some what of asian style
http://www.freakygaming.com/gallery/mmorpg/world_of_warcraft/night_elf_building.jpg
but either way the problem with pandaria is the way they introduce them...to me its just "we put this here to say ohhh there they were".I find the way they are implementing it bad and half assed
but beside that...iam still ok with the whole consept
but the whole POKEMON thing is not good...i know its optional but the resourses you need to build a new game because its a new game(having all the pet in the game actually do things and have 6 skills,adding a new interface adding new mechanincs in the form of turn based combat,adding new pokedex style parts where you write lore about the pokemon,adding trainers all over the world where you beat them to gain new skills and finally wild pokemons that roam the world...ALL THE WHILE YOU SAY YOU WONT IMPLEMENT HOUSING BECAUSE ITS TOO EXPENSIVE)is bad for me...i dont know about you guys if you find it ok to play pokemon,,,hell i also like pokemon and i played it when i was young HELL i would still be playing it if i had a game boy or botherer to find it in an other way BUT this is world of WARCRAFT this is a game that people play for WARCRAFT not pokemon its just doesnt fit well to me...And finally i dont like it because they are revolving all this thing around theri online store....where those pets now actually do effect the game play of players....AND dear oh dear after a week that they say you can actually trade pets that you buy with money instead of buying gold they implement an entire game for pets only....
and finally the whole talent thing...i just dont like it,it doesnt feel right to me
most of the things i said that i dont like with MOP can easily be changed if BLIZZ implement them good
lore wise and mechanic wise(pandari and talents)BUT POKEMON will still be POKEMON.And it aims to people that will buy them from their pet store.
and it will draw some players in, so any news, and feedback etc is good for them, as it makes wow keep in the lime light.
the game will epic fail if no one bother to talk about it.
RIP Orc Choppa
I wonder if swtor decided to go after kids and this is blizzards answer or if this is to recover presumed lost subs from swtor with a younger playerbase?
I canceled my swtor pre-order and will wait til the NDA drop to make my decision to purchase just in case.
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
There will be two sides to the fence here and while I used to have admiration towards Blizzard and their direction towards WoW, I no longer feel the same. This is my opinion and this is what I make of it all:
Like I said in another post, WoW has never been centralized on comical relief and over the expansions, I have seen references to real life humorous objects turned into a centralized base. AND now, to top it all off, the pandaren race is just too silly for me I'm sorry to say. Nagrand is a beautiful zone but if I wanted mostly a new continent that looks like it will be even more colorful I would go back to FLYFF. I think for me, I've seen over the years WoW turn into a gimmick fest with all the cutesy pets, mounts, quests and so forth but they were tolerable because the people that wanted a more mature approach to the game could do so in their own way. Some can liken mature to also mean "dark and gloomy." But now, I can not personally see the new zones, the new Pandaren race, the new class, as anything but "cute" and THIS is not WoW used to stand for before.
What started off as a joke turned into a request for the Pandaren race? Chris Metzen trying to soften the blow of the new Xpac and why they want to introduce a race with hardly any PVE context to WoW thus far. All other Blizzcons Chris would introduce the new Xpac by stating how awesome things will be and we would know the direction of Azeroth. This year, he spent 10 mins trying to explain MOP even before the preview trailer was shown. We still don't know a heck of alot of the direction since there will be no key villain.
The general hatred towards Wow I believe is a combination of two things: Perception and lack of fact. Maybe, when beta is in progress it might not seem too bad but right now the perception is that Blizzard has taken a big smelly dump on WoW and turned it into FLYFF 2. For alot of players, they can sense that this Xpac will be the dividing line of who is casual and who is a more serious player. Before you could fit it in two, but now perhaps the target audience has been changed on it's head.
It is hard to look past perception and look at if the new talent system will be a step in the right direction, or the new pet battle system. I can see why though people are calling it Pokemon meets WoW.
This is just my opinion but I hold onto what I say and that I have matured past the "gimmicky cutesy" world of Azeroth; it had it's place but never to become a central part of WoW used to stand for. Even the gameplay video of the Pandaren race just looks sooooo cute. I couldn't play with them all running around, kicking bosses in the head like Kung Fu Panda.
Pandas started as a joke but they grew into the lore starting with warcraft 3 and chen stormsnout.
Hello no.
I will bet the pets from the store will not be able to partecipate in the pet battle system.
As for housing, THAT would be a veritable cash cow for blizzard! Just imagine it! Everything or almost in housing is cosmetic, so they could sell all sort of furniture, special items and stuff in their store and make bazillion of money. There are already many games on Facebook that do that!
So your idea they are making the pet battle system and not the housing for the money is completely, and I mean COMPLETELY off target.
Yes, it is Pokemon, essentially, so what? it is not mandatory, so you can just not partecipate in it.
For me it seems a fun new thing to do in this game and I actually like that of this expansion that it seems Blizzard is trying to explore new endgame (pve scenarios, new battlegrounds and even DOTA battleground and pve battlegrounds, Dungeon challenges and the pet battle system) types. So that it is not Raid Raid Raid (or PvP).
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
I'll come right out and say it. As a longtime player of EQ2, most EQ2 expansions have been complete crap. SOE churns them out like butter, but it's all quantity over quality. At best these days, most expansions only include a couple new overland zones and the obligatory assortment of group instances and raid content. Just about the only EQ2 expansions that I ever felt were actually worth the title "expansion" were Echoes of Faydwer and Rise of Kunark.
The new WoW expansion has some rather interesting features, but I fail to see how adventures into mystical pandaland is going to stack up against SW:TOR and GW2.
About the pet battle system. If there is some sort of reward, anything, that most players feel they must have it will in practice be mandatory. I mean if all rewards you get from winning or being a master when doing pet battles are intended to help you when participating in pet battles only I agree. Its not mandatory in that case. If the rewards are useful outside pet battles it is mandatory for everyone that feel they must have those rewards.
blizzard also said they were concerned about what players would do with housing
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-03-07-blizzard-wow-housing-may-never-happen
decorating is a fun fluff activity - and hopefully allow other players to visit decorated homes
in EQ2, they have leaderboards for best homes as rated by players
and it "fits" in the world more than a pokemon side game
I think minigames help mmos for variety
there are many players that dont want to do only PVP / Raiding at level cap
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I don't necessarily think that it'll ever actually happen for WOW because the thing that we want to do is... I don't think it's sufficient enough for us in WOW to just say, 'Hey we have player housing - great.' There's got to be some reason to have that, there's got to be gameplay behind that, stuff that happens.
I seriously have a problem trying to understand that statement above. What do you mean gameplay. Have they even looked at Everquest 2 and how they incorperated the amazing housing into it. How people collect trophies ,gather resources,trade and buy and bargain for items for their houses. There is a whole other game that goes on among proud houseowners one of them used to be me.
I just think the person who said that has a very narrow idea of what gameplay is.
there's far to much "I play x game in x way, and my way is best" attitude as a whole for any meaningful discussion about stuff like this, the irony is when EQ2 put in pet battles, I don't remember seeing any threads about Pokemon LOL, guess it's more to do with age groups and maturity than anything else.
― Terry Pratchett, Making Money
there is a difference, EQ2 launched with no PVP -- Arena combat also allowed you to play your own character
Gamespot review regarding EQ2s 1st expansion
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/everquestiidesertofflames/review.html?page=2
As far as participation goes, arena battles can either be fought by player characters themselves (if you select this option, you can choose the level range to allow in increments of 10, from 20 to 60), or fought by champions. Champions are battle avatars that you can purchase from arena master, possessed of their own unique abilities and balanced against each other for strength, from the powerful tentacle-faced Fearknights to the fierce Tae Ew hunters with their mighty ranged attacks and variety of traps, and others. If you do well in arena contests, there are rewards for you to earn, ranging from trophies to special character titles, to new types of champions
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