But ..He also before that played Diablo and Diablo2
He bought Starcraft2 when that came out..
and he will most likely play Diablo3
But this is also the the ONLY knowledge he has about games, only Blizzard games..
If I woudnt have been there and told him that there is ALOT of other games out there, he would NOT have played any other games then the ones Blizzard has created..
And...He's older friends before me contains of people much like himself..everytime they try to get him to play another game , it's a Blizzard title..
There Is a WoW crowd..Or maybe it's a Blizzard Crowd
Fuck me! World of Warcraft, Starcraft and Diablo. Not only Blizzard games but some of the best games ever made. He should be shot for playing some of the best PC games ever made. You so called "Hardcore" (Laugh) players are alot worse than the "WOW crowd"
I never said anything about being "hardcore"..:)
Hmm..and I think they are well made games, but they are far from "the best games ever made"..
There are games you enjoy and games you don't.
People like to think in terms of Good games and Bad games but ultimately it is just of matter of, does the game hook you.
Blizzard obviously made games the have Hooked your friend.
I think that is better than spending 50 bucks on a game, playing for a couple hours and getting tired of it.
I'm gonna go ahead and quote myself from a similar thread.
True "WoW clones" fail because people who LIKE WoW PLAY WoW, people who left WoW to find a new mmo, obviously did so because they didn't like WoW, and people who have never played any mmo, who are getting into mmos for the first time, are highly likely to have already heard of WoW, and therefore highly likely will try it first. They also most likely have never heard of MMORPG.com.
I'll probably have something to say about that gravity tangent you all want off on in a minute, too...
"I don't have anything funny to say, now. I'm Tsukasa. I'm Tsukasa." ~Tsukasa
Many of the posters on these forums are old school gamers when it comes to MMO's, having their start with either Ultima Online or Everquest of the 1998 year on up. Ultima Online, Everquest 1, Dark Age of Camelot, Asheron's Call, Anarchy Online, Star Wars Galaxies, Planetside, Final Fantasy XI, and a few others were all developed with hobby enthusiast gamers in mind. Pre 2000 and right at the turn of 2000, people were using dial up prominantly to access the internet, along with cable modems. The machines they used were personally owned and expensive. The crowd that played these games WERE different than the ones that play them now.
Enter in World of Warcraft. The game was very user friendly, very forgiving in terms of death penalties and learning curves, and the makers learned very quickly with what changes had to be made to appeal to a larger audience. Very affordable fast internet access through DSL was becoming far more available, and computer costs were going down in terms of performance offered. Add on top of that the fact that WoW required very little in terms of system requirements on its launch.
The WoW crowd is real. The very larger precentage of teen and pre teen players using a spare machine not owned by them or handed down to them accessing the game, using DSL afforded by their parents GROSSLY overshadows the percentage of younger players found in the MMO's that preceded World of Warcraft.
Maybe other people have different definitions of the WoW Crowd, but that's the one I always thought was implied. There's oldschool, there's the WoW crowd, and then there's the people that fall inbetween. Now, to answer your thoughts on if there is a WoW crowd that eats, sleeps, dreams, and will only play a WoW clone game... Sure there is.
But I will agree with you that this percent of players is NOT the vast majority of WoW players that would always embrace that kind of gaming over all overs. It would be a sharply smaller minority.
I actually agree with what you posted, I think we just were using the terms "WoW crowd" differently .
When I said WoW crowd in my OP, I was really referring to the perception that the vast majority of MMORPG players prefer WoW and only WoW and would not be willing to try another game that strayed from the WoW formula, even if it were very good.
So since you said that this group of players is a sharply smaller minority, we are in agreement.
I'm gonna go ahead and quote myself from a similar thread.
True "WoW clones" fail because people who LIKE WoW PLAY WoW, people who left WoW to find a new mmo, obviously did so because they didn't like WoW, and people who have never played any mmo, who are getting into mmos for the first time, are highly likely to have already heard of WoW, and therefore highly likely will try it first. They also most likely have never heard of MMORPG.com.
I'll probably have something to say about that gravity tangent you all want off on in a minute, too...
The 'WoW-fomula' is more financially successful than games that stray from it in the MMO genre.
It is just a matter of numbers.
Take WoW out, but look at Aion and RIFT. Heck, RIFT is done by an indie studio.
The mechanics/gameplay of WoW appeals to a large crowd and there are people who wants to play a 'WoW-like' game but not actually WoW. RIFT/Aion/LOTRO etc.
To say they don't or somehow they are the 'minority' is factually false.
Gdemami - Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Ok, VengeSunsoar, you're thinking of Newton's old law of gravity. That was disproven by Einstein, and a few others, I think. The current THEORY of how gravity works (relativity) is what Gurpslord is talking about, and it is not an atttractive force of all things, but rather a distortion of "spacetime."
The reason for this, is because if gravity was actually a force, where is the force coming from? Remember those other laws, about for every action there's an equal and oposite reaction and no matter or energy can be created or destroyed?
And no, the current theory of how gravity works (relativity) has never been proven mathmatically, because the equations for the macro and sub atomic do not work together.
But the fact remains that the "law" of gravity was in fact disproven, even if a replacement law hasn't been established.
And it will likely stay that way, unless someone discoveres the massive amounts of fuel being used to generate gravitational forces throught the universe, or disproves the law that matter and energy cannot be created or distroyed, by creating matter or energy from nothing, or distroying it entirely, with no output whatsoever. If that happens, we will have perpetual energy machines.
Look into antimatter.
"I don't have anything funny to say, now. I'm Tsukasa. I'm Tsukasa." ~Tsukasa
Ok, VengeSunsoar, you're thinking of Newton's old law of gravity. That was disproven by Einstein, and a few others, I think. The current THEORY of how gravity works gravtiy (relativity) is what Gurpslord is talking about, and it is not an atttractive force of all things, but rather a distortion of "spacetime."
The reason for this, is because if gravity was actually a force, where is the force coming from? Remember those other laws, about for every action theres an equal and oposite reaction and no matter or energy can be created or destroyed?
And no, the current theory of how gravity works (relativity) has never been proven mathmatically, because the equations for the macro and sub atomic do not work together.
But the fact remains that the "law" of gravity, was in fact disproven, even if a replacement law hasn't been extablished.
And it will likely stay that way, unless someone discoveres the massive amounts of fuel being used to generate gravitational forces throught the universe, or disproves the law that matter and energy cannot be created or distroyed, by creating matter or energy from nothing, or distroying it entirely, with no output whatsoever. If that happens, we will have perpetual energy machines.
Respectfully no. Gravity is a physical phenomenon which is obvious all around us - this is fact not opinion. This much is clear and is without doubt. It exists. The question comes in is how to describe it and how does it work this part is theory.
Newton's Laws are extremely good at describing the motion of planets and attactiveness between them. Specifically "Two things always attract in direct proportion of their masses and in inverse proportion of the square of the distance between them."
This is the theory part of Newtonan gravity, not whether or not it exists. However it doesn't take into effect many things such as the Mercury's odd orbit. Einstein's general relativity theory does describe this. Even Einstein's GR theory does not mathematically work with Quantum phenomena at very small scales.
And there is an opposite force - dark energy. Even Einstein called this is greatest blunder, the cosmological constant, which he made up to explain why it is that objects spaced massively apart seem to be accelerating as they get further apart. Later on, his "blunder" turned out to be correct. Once again every action has a reaction.
This is fact. Gravity exists - this is a natural phenomenon and is accepted. Explaining how it works is under different theories.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
You're not listening, are you? I'm not talking about the fact that we fall back to earth when we jump.
I'm talking about why we do. And so was he.
I didn't mention anything about antimatter. Dark energy is, well theorized anyway, to be a repulsive force/phenomema expanding the universe.
And he stated prove gravity exists. He didn't ask how it works, he said he didn't believe it. There was no question of why. I agree the why is in question, the existence of it is not.
Venge
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
No I meant dark energy - a hypothetical form of energy the permeates all space and tends to accelerate the expansion of the universe. This is currently the most accepted theory to explain the recent observations of the accelerated expansion of the universe
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
No it isn't. Look it up, dark energy is different than dark matter. Current estimates are the univeries is ~70Dark energy, 25% dark matter and 5%normal matter.
Dark energy is the repulsive force, dark matter is, well we don't actually know. We can say what it isn't, it is dark, it is not in the form of clouds of normal matter, it is not antimatter.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
No I meant dark energy - a hypothetical form of energy the permeates all space and tends to accelerate the expansion of the universe. This is currently the most accepted theory to explain the recent observations of the accelerated expansion of the universe
Let me just cut in here...
I think when gravity was mentioned the first time gurps was referring to the force that that pulls objects to one another. Not necessarily any specific theoretical explanation of it.
"Gravity" as in whatever it is that pulls objects to one another DEFINITELY exists. Our theory of WHY it exists and HOW it acts may be incorrect, but there really is no dissension that it DOES exist.
One way you could think about it is how someone from ancient Greece would think of magnetism. It would be clear to him that there is SOME force that attracts certain pieces of metal to specific items, this is a definite. But his specific theories of how and why it works are uncertain.
No I meant dark energy - a hypothetical form of energy the permeates all space and tends to accelerate the expansion of the universe. This is currently the most accepted theory to explain the recent observations of the accelerated expansion of the universe
Let me just cut in here...
I think when gravity was mentioned the first time gurps was referring to the force that that pulls objects to one another. Not necessarily any specific theoretical explanation of it.
"Gravity" as in whatever it is that pulls objects to one another DEFINITELY exists. Our theory of WHY it exists and HOW it acts may be incorrect, but there really is no dissension that it DOES exist.
One way you could think about it is how someone from ancient Greece would think of magnetism. It would be clear to him that there is SOME force that attracts certain pieces of metal to specific items, this is a definite. But his specific theories of how and why it works are uncertain.
Yeppers.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
Well it's all theory and the wierder the names get, the more unstable the math gets, so it would seem.
Anyway, it's actually trying to prove relativity anyway, so why did you even bring it up?
Why did I bring Dark energy up? *thinks back, this is where IM comes in handy haha* We were comparing theories and someone stated something to the effect of (I'm paraphrasing, probably badly) that gravity wasn't a force because there was no opposite reaction, dispelling Newton's third law. Or something like that.
edit - this may sound odd. But I was more stimulated by this thread than I was with EQ (that I am actually playing as we type), VG, Istaria or any game I've played in the last while.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
...the theory of dark energy isn't trying to prove Newton... it's trying to prove relativity...
Your right it is, and doing a fair bang up job. However the GR theory incorporates the third law which is one reason Einstein had to put is constant in there, before dark energy was thought, because the math didn't work. Without that constant the universe should be decelerating and/or shrinking but that math didn't work, there had to be another force/somethign working against gravity- which actually confirms the third law for every action there is a reaction. We have gravity providing one force and dark energy that is a counter.
Edit - so in conlusion I postulate that the WoW crowd is a myth because dark energy may be real and verifies GR and newtons third law. The WoW crowd and the existance of dark energy would anihilate each other.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
Ok, are you trying to say that gravity accelerates things toward each other, and the reaction to that is the universe is accelarating away from itself??
First of all, how are those forces even connected, and secondly, wtf determines what gets pushed and what gets pulled?!?
And it STILL doesn't match the subatomic, which obviously remain stably at the same distances.
I think it's a lot more likely that matter (and antimatter) and energy can in fact be created and destroyed. Look up antimatter. There's more matter than antimatter.
"I don't have anything funny to say, now. I'm Tsukasa. I'm Tsukasa." ~Tsukasa
There is no such thing as a WOW crowd, I play WOW and so do alot of my friends, We are in our 30's. WOW has so many players there will always be a bunch of kids playing somewhere. WOW gets so much stick on the board but the real reason it gets so much stick is because most of the people on this board don't even play an MMO and have nothing better to do.
I used to visit this site just before I started playing again board shitless, Now I'm playing again, Hardly ever. I have played MMO's for years and there is only 1 (Maybe 2) that can demand a monthly sub and that is WOW and maybe EVE.
All the WOW haters are like the band groupies, When they sell out they are uncool, WOW is and forever will be the biggest MMO ever, Fact.
Haha finally some support, thanks.
I'm not playing an MMORPG right now, but normally whenever I pick up the latest WoW clone, I wind up quitting the WoW clone and resubbing to WoW (which I wasn't even subbed to in the first place).
The reason being because the WoW clone fails to live up to WoW in almost every way so I just wind up going back to WoW because it gives a better experience.
What I REALLY want is a game that breaks the mold of WoW. WoW was great, but come on, it's been over 6 years...we need the next step already.
Well, you keep shutting down your own argument. The reason that there will be no next step, is BECAUSE there is in fact a wow crowd. Supply and demand. Devs are too chickenshit to have an orginal thought in their heads, and people want wow..Be it WoW with Hammer attached to it WoW with rifts in it WoW in Space... This is all due to the very real WoW crowd. fact
There is no such thing as a WOW crowd, I play WOW and so do alot of my friends, We are in our 30's. WOW has so many players there will always be a bunch of kids playing somewhere. WOW gets so much stick on the board but the real reason it gets so much stick is because most of the people on this board don't even play an MMO and have nothing better to do. I used to visit this site just before I started playing again board shitless, Now I'm playing again, Hardly ever. I have played MMO's for years and there is only 1 (Maybe 2) that can demand a monthly sub and that is WOW and maybe EVE. All the WOW haters are like the band groupies, When they sell out they are uncool, WOW is and forever will be the biggest MMO ever, Fact.
Haha finally some support, thanks.
I'm not playing an MMORPG right now, but normally whenever I pick up the latest WoW clone, I wind up quitting the WoW clone and resubbing to WoW (which I wasn't even subbed to in the first place).
The reason being because the WoW clone fails to live up to WoW in almost every way so I just wind up going back to WoW because it gives a better experience.
What I REALLY want is a game that breaks the mold of WoW. WoW was great, but come on, it's been over 6 years...we need the next step already.
Well, you keep shutting down your own argument. The reason that there will be no next step, is BECAUSE there is in fact a wow crowd. Supply and demand. Devs are too chickenshit to have an orginal thought in their heads, and people want wow..Be it WoW with Hammer attached to it WoW with rifts in it WoW in Space... This is all due to the very real WoW crowd. fact
Fact: everything you said is conjecture, not fact.
Ok, are you trying to say that gravity accelerates things toward each other, and the reaction to that is the universe is accelaration away from itself??
First of all, how are those forces even connected, and secondly, wtf determines what gets pushed and what gets pulled?!?
I think it's a lot more likely that matter and energy can in fact be created and destroyed. Look up antimatter.
In a sense it does. Gravity and Dark energy seem to be, hmm not antogonistic, but somewhat opposite or different forces. The closer two objects are to each other the stronger gravity is and the weaker dark energy is - this is observed. When things are falling towards earth or other planets, stars... the closer they get to that object the faster they go.
Wheras the further apart they are the stronger dark energy is and the weaker gravity it. The galaxies are accelerating away from each other.
What determines what gets pushed and pulled? Good question? I don't know, it probably has something to do with mass and density though. I would imagine everything is being pushed and pulled at the same time and what is the greater force has to do with mass/density and distance among other things too/ Just like gravity is always acting on birds and yet the birds still fly
And taken to extremes dark energy is very troubling. What is keeping dark energy in check? anything? if not than at some point will all the atoms in the universe will explode. And if something does keep in it check does that mean that eventually the universe will slow down, and contract again - a Big Implosion?
Can matter and energy be created and destroyed? Again a good question, they can be created from each other. E=mc2 But can they spontaneously appear. Some say yes, some say no. According to my texts, no, but I'm not really so sure.
If you look at higgs particle theory - putting two metal plates very very close together (closer than a sheet of paper) the metal plates close because particles are pressing in on them, but between those plates, there is an awful lot happening. Particles and energy seem to be created and anihilated instantly. Why? No idea, want to be famous, lets figure it out.
edit - just checked one of my books. Quantum theory states that energy can be created spontaneously partly explained by Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. Particles created are created in pairs. Energy conservation can be violated for short times and may happen all the time.
edit 2 - now I need to go watch big bang theory
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
There is no such thing as a WOW crowd, I play WOW and so do alot of my friends, We are in our 30's. WOW has so many players there will always be a bunch of kids playing somewhere. WOW gets so much stick on the board but the real reason it gets so much stick is because most of the people on this board don't even play an MMO and have nothing better to do.
I used to visit this site just before I started playing again board shitless, Now I'm playing again, Hardly ever. I have played MMO's for years and there is only 1 (Maybe 2) that can demand a monthly sub and that is WOW and maybe EVE.
All the WOW haters are like the band groupies, When they sell out they are uncool, WOW is and forever will be the biggest MMO ever, Fact.
Haha finally some support, thanks.
I'm not playing an MMORPG right now, but normally whenever I pick up the latest WoW clone, I wind up quitting the WoW clone and resubbing to WoW (which I wasn't even subbed to in the first place).
The reason being because the WoW clone fails to live up to WoW in almost every way so I just wind up going back to WoW because it gives a better experience.
What I REALLY want is a game that breaks the mold of WoW. WoW was great, but come on, it's been over 6 years...we need the next step already.
Well, you keep shutting down your own argument. The reason that there will be no next step, is BECAUSE there is in fact a wow crowd. Supply and demand. Devs are too chickenshit to have an orginal thought in their heads, and people want wow..Be it WoW with Hammer attached to it WoW with rifts in it WoW in Space... This is all due to the very real WoW crowd. fact
Fact: everything you said is conjecture, not fact.
Of course it is.. the numbers speak for themselves.. learn about statistics or something.
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There are games you enjoy and games you don't.
People like to think in terms of Good games and Bad games but ultimately it is just of matter of, does the game hook you.
Blizzard obviously made games the have Hooked your friend.
I think that is better than spending 50 bucks on a game, playing for a couple hours and getting tired of it.
I'm gonna go ahead and quote myself from a similar thread.
True "WoW clones" fail because people who LIKE WoW PLAY WoW, people who left WoW to find a new mmo, obviously did so because they didn't like WoW, and people who have never played any mmo, who are getting into mmos for the first time, are highly likely to have already heard of WoW, and therefore highly likely will try it first. They also most likely have never heard of MMORPG.com.
I'll probably have something to say about that gravity tangent you all want off on in a minute, too...
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I actually agree with what you posted, I think we just were using the terms "WoW crowd" differently
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When I said WoW crowd in my OP, I was really referring to the perception that the vast majority of MMORPG players prefer WoW and only WoW and would not be willing to try another game that strayed from the WoW formula, even if it were very good.
So since you said that this group of players is a sharply smaller minority, we are in agreement.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
The 'WoW-fomula' is more financially successful than games that stray from it in the MMO genre.
It is just a matter of numbers.
Take WoW out, but look at Aion and RIFT. Heck, RIFT is done by an indie studio.
The mechanics/gameplay of WoW appeals to a large crowd and there are people who wants to play a 'WoW-like' game but not actually WoW. RIFT/Aion/LOTRO etc.
To say they don't or somehow they are the 'minority' is factually false.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Ok, VengeSunsoar, you're thinking of Newton's old law of gravity. That was disproven by Einstein, and a few others, I think. The current THEORY of how gravity works (relativity) is what Gurpslord is talking about, and it is not an atttractive force of all things, but rather a distortion of "spacetime."
The reason for this, is because if gravity was actually a force, where is the force coming from? Remember those other laws, about for every action there's an equal and oposite reaction and no matter or energy can be created or destroyed?
And no, the current theory of how gravity works (relativity) has never been proven mathmatically, because the equations for the macro and sub atomic do not work together.
But the fact remains that the "law" of gravity was in fact disproven, even if a replacement law hasn't been established.
And it will likely stay that way, unless someone discoveres the massive amounts of fuel being used to generate gravitational forces throught the universe, or disproves the law that matter and energy cannot be created or distroyed, by creating matter or energy from nothing, or distroying it entirely, with no output whatsoever. If that happens, we will have perpetual energy machines.
Look into antimatter.
"I don't have anything funny to say, now. I'm Tsukasa. I'm Tsukasa." ~Tsukasa
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Respectfully no. Gravity is a physical phenomenon which is obvious all around us - this is fact not opinion. This much is clear and is without doubt. It exists. The question comes in is how to describe it and how does it work this part is theory.
Newton's Laws are extremely good at describing the motion of planets and attactiveness between them. Specifically "Two things always attract in direct proportion of their masses and in inverse proportion of the square of the distance between them."
This is the theory part of Newtonan gravity, not whether or not it exists. However it doesn't take into effect many things such as the Mercury's odd orbit. Einstein's general relativity theory does describe this. Even Einstein's GR theory does not mathematically work with Quantum phenomena at very small scales.
And there is an opposite force - dark energy. Even Einstein called this is greatest blunder, the cosmological constant, which he made up to explain why it is that objects spaced massively apart seem to be accelerating as they get further apart. Later on, his "blunder" turned out to be correct. Once again every action has a reaction.
This is fact. Gravity exists - this is a natural phenomenon and is accepted. Explaining how it works is under different theories.
You're not listening, are you? I'm not talking about the fact that we fall back to earth when we jump.
I'm talking about why we do. And so was he.
"I don't have anything funny to say, now. I'm Tsukasa. I'm Tsukasa." ~Tsukasa
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And dark energy and antimatter are two completely different things. I think you have them slightly confused.
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I didn't mention anything about antimatter. Dark energy is, well theorized anyway, to be a repulsive force/phenomema expanding the universe.
And he stated prove gravity exists. He didn't ask how it works, he said he didn't believe it. There was no question of why. I agree the why is in question, the existence of it is not.
Venge
Wait... I think you meant dark MATTER not energy.
Dark matter has nothing to do with this, and is just a theory.
"I don't have anything funny to say, now. I'm Tsukasa. I'm Tsukasa." ~Tsukasa
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No I meant dark energy - a hypothetical form of energy the permeates all space and tends to accelerate the expansion of the universe. This is currently the most accepted theory to explain the recent observations of the accelerated expansion of the universe
Dark matter Dark energy
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No it isn't. Look it up, dark energy is different than dark matter. Current estimates are the univeries is ~70Dark energy, 25% dark matter and 5%normal matter.
Dark energy is the repulsive force, dark matter is, well we don't actually know. We can say what it isn't, it is dark, it is not in the form of clouds of normal matter, it is not antimatter.
looking it up now, and added a link if anyone else is interested
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Let me just cut in here...
I think when gravity was mentioned the first time gurps was referring to the force that that pulls objects to one another. Not necessarily any specific theoretical explanation of it.
"Gravity" as in whatever it is that pulls objects to one another DEFINITELY exists. Our theory of WHY it exists and HOW it acts may be incorrect, but there really is no dissension that it DOES exist.
One way you could think about it is how someone from ancient Greece would think of magnetism. It would be clear to him that there is SOME force that attracts certain pieces of metal to specific items, this is a definite. But his specific theories of how and why it works are uncertain.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
Yeppers.
Well it's all theory and the wierder the names get, the more unstable the math gets, so it would seem.
Anyway, it's actually trying to prove relativity anyway, so why did you even bring it up?
"I don't have anything funny to say, now. I'm Tsukasa. I'm Tsukasa." ~Tsukasa
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Why did I bring Dark energy up? *thinks back, this is where IM comes in handy haha* We were comparing theories and someone stated something to the effect of (I'm paraphrasing, probably badly) that gravity wasn't a force because there was no opposite reaction, dispelling Newton's third law. Or something like that.
edit - this may sound odd. But I was more stimulated by this thread than I was with EQ (that I am actually playing as we type), VG, Istaria or any game I've played in the last while.
Ok... yeah I said that.
...the theory of dark energy isn't trying to prove Newton... it's trying to prove relativity...
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Your right it is, and doing a fair bang up job. However the GR theory incorporates the third law which is one reason Einstein had to put is constant in there, before dark energy was thought, because the math didn't work. Without that constant the universe should be decelerating and/or shrinking but that math didn't work, there had to be another force/somethign working against gravity- which actually confirms the third law for every action there is a reaction. We have gravity providing one force and dark energy that is a counter.
Edit - so in conlusion I postulate that the WoW crowd is a myth because dark energy may be real and verifies GR and newtons third law. The WoW crowd and the existance of dark energy would anihilate each other.
Ok, are you trying to say that gravity accelerates things toward each other, and the reaction to that is the universe is accelarating away from itself??
First of all, how are those forces even connected, and secondly, wtf determines what gets pushed and what gets pulled?!?
And it STILL doesn't match the subatomic, which obviously remain stably at the same distances.
I think it's a lot more likely that matter (and antimatter) and energy can in fact be created and destroyed. Look up antimatter. There's more matter than antimatter.
"I don't have anything funny to say, now. I'm Tsukasa. I'm Tsukasa." ~Tsukasa
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Well, you keep shutting down your own argument. The reason that there will be no next step, is BECAUSE there is in fact a wow crowd. Supply and demand. Devs are too chickenshit to have an orginal thought in their heads, and people want wow..Be it WoW with Hammer attached to it WoW with rifts in it WoW in Space... This is all due to the very real WoW crowd. fact
Haha finally some support, thanks.
I'm not playing an MMORPG right now, but normally whenever I pick up the latest WoW clone, I wind up quitting the WoW clone and resubbing to WoW (which I wasn't even subbed to in the first place).
The reason being because the WoW clone fails to live up to WoW in almost every way so I just wind up going back to WoW because it gives a better experience.
What I REALLY want is a game that breaks the mold of WoW. WoW was great, but come on, it's been over 6 years...we need the next step already.
Well, you keep shutting down your own argument. The reason that there will be no next step, is BECAUSE there is in fact a wow crowd. Supply and demand. Devs are too chickenshit to have an orginal thought in their heads, and people want wow..Be it WoW with Hammer attached to it WoW with rifts in it WoW in Space... This is all due to the very real WoW crowd. fact
Fact: everything you said is conjecture, not fact.Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
In a sense it does. Gravity and Dark energy seem to be, hmm not antogonistic, but somewhat opposite or different forces. The closer two objects are to each other the stronger gravity is and the weaker dark energy is - this is observed. When things are falling towards earth or other planets, stars... the closer they get to that object the faster they go.
Wheras the further apart they are the stronger dark energy is and the weaker gravity it. The galaxies are accelerating away from each other.
What determines what gets pushed and pulled? Good question? I don't know, it probably has something to do with mass and density though. I would imagine everything is being pushed and pulled at the same time and what is the greater force has to do with mass/density and distance among other things too/ Just like gravity is always acting on birds and yet the birds still fly
And taken to extremes dark energy is very troubling. What is keeping dark energy in check? anything? if not than at some point will all the atoms in the universe will explode. And if something does keep in it check does that mean that eventually the universe will slow down, and contract again - a Big Implosion?
Can matter and energy be created and destroyed? Again a good question, they can be created from each other. E=mc2 But can they spontaneously appear. Some say yes, some say no. According to my texts, no, but I'm not really so sure.
If you look at higgs particle theory - putting two metal plates very very close together (closer than a sheet of paper) the metal plates close because particles are pressing in on them, but between those plates, there is an awful lot happening. Particles and energy seem to be created and anihilated instantly. Why? No idea, want to be famous, lets figure it out.
edit - just checked one of my books. Quantum theory states that energy can be created spontaneously partly explained by Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. Particles created are created in pairs. Energy conservation can be violated for short times and may happen all the time.
edit 2 - now I need to go watch big bang theory
Of course it is.. the numbers speak for themselves.. learn about statistics or something.