"If the public must know, just prior to the you tube upload, a concerned father shared with his 23-year-old daughter that he was unwilling to continue to... be her primary source of financial support... Hillary warned her father if he reduced her financial support, and took away her Mercedes automobile, which her father had provided, he would live to regret it. The post was then uploaded."
?
Oh yeah, the poor little darling chose to live with ebil daddy after her parents divorced.
I knew there was a reason she sat on the video for eight years and still lived with one of her "abusive" parents for years beyond adulthood.
Isolated incident which daddy apologized for long ago.
Yet, more spin-doctory and non-evidence based conjecture by the father's attorney. What he said is not the issue at hand. It is obfuscation tactics. Used to turn the media away from the REAL issue... the savage beating of a 16 year old girl with a belt by a father who is a judge that judges people on child abuse cases.
Did you read the police report that describes her injuries after that beating? Did you see the video of her injuries after the beating? Did you see anything on her body to indicate that she suffered injury after getting hit by her father's belt? Is it possible that the video makes the incident worse than it appears?
People make mistakes and the father apologized to his daughter for making that mistake.
You'd think this level of violence would of come up during the divorce...
You'd think that the abused child would jump at the chance to get away from her father and not live off of him for years after she's an adult.
Child abuse isn't something that happens once and is regretted by the offender it's a life long pattern of abuse.
Do I think that her father lost control? Yes. Do I think that she comes from an abused home or that she was an abused child? Hell, no.
"If the public must know, just prior to the you tube upload, a concerned father shared with his 23-year-old daughter that he was unwilling to continue to... be her primary source of financial support... Hillary warned her father if he reduced her financial support, and took away her Mercedes automobile, which her father had provided, he would live to regret it. The post was then uploaded."
?
Oh yeah, the poor little darling chose to live with ebil daddy after her parents divorced.
I knew there was a reason she sat on the video for eight years and still lived with one of her "abusive" parents for years beyond adulthood.
Isolated incident which daddy apologized for long ago.
Yet, more spin-doctory and non-evidence based conjecture by the father's attorney. What he said is not the issue at hand. It is obfuscation tactics. Used to turn the media away from the REAL issue... the savage beating of a 16 year old girl with a belt by a father who is a judge that judges people on child abuse cases.
Did you read the police report that describes her injuries after that beating? Did you see the video of her injuries after the beating? Did you see anything on her body to indicate that she suffered injury after getting hit by her father's belt? Is it possible that the video makes the incident worse than it appears?
People make mistakes and the father apologized to his daughter for making that mistake.
You'd think this level of violence would of come up during the divorce...
You'd think that the abused child would jump at the chance to get away from her father and not live off of him for years after she's an adult. Child abuse victims have been shown to act in similar manners to spousal abuse victims. IE: Following their own father/husband due to fear. Especially savagely beaten ones.
Child abuse isn't something that happens once and is regretted by the offender it's a life long pattern of abuse. This is what we call an assumption. You have NO idea that this hasn't gone on for her entire childhood life. It is far more likely that it has rather than it hasn't. Especially considering the savagery actions by him and her emotional state after the beating. Also, the evidence of the trauma she experienced is prevalent in her actions as an adult. You are believing the father's story because you support his actions.
Do I think that her father lost control? Yes. Do I think that she comes from an abused home or that she was an abused child? Hell, no.No, you are taking the word of the father over her word because you support his actions rather than focusing on the simple, unquestionable fact that it was assault and battery that he comitted.
It doesn't matter that there was no police report. The act of savegly beating your own 16 year old daughter with a belt is proof enough that it is abuse. The video proves this... end of story.
The father SUPPOSEDLY appologized. There's no real evidence to support this except the spin doctored message from his attorney.
"If the public must know, just prior to the you tube upload, a concerned father shared with his 23-year-old daughter that he was unwilling to continue to... be her primary source of financial support... Hillary warned her father if he reduced her financial support, and took away her Mercedes automobile, which her father had provided, he would live to regret it. The post was then uploaded."
?
Oh yeah, the poor little darling chose to live with ebil daddy after her parents divorced.
I knew there was a reason she sat on the video for eight years and still lived with one of her "abusive" parents for years beyond adulthood.
Isolated incident which daddy apologized for long ago.
Yet, more spin-doctory and non-evidence based conjecture by the father's attorney. What he said is not the issue at hand. It is obfuscation tactics. Used to turn the media away from the REAL issue... the savage beating of a 16 year old girl with a belt by a father who is a judge that judges people on child abuse cases.
Did you read the police report that describes her injuries after that beating? Did you see the video of her injuries after the beating? Did you see anything on her body to indicate that she suffered injury after getting hit by her father's belt? Is it possible that the video makes the incident worse than it appears?
People make mistakes and the father apologized to his daughter for making that mistake.
You'd think this level of violence would of come up during the divorce...
You'd think that the abused child would jump at the chance to get away from her father and not live off of him for years after she's an adult. Child abuse victims have been shown to act in similar manners to spousal abuse victims. IE: Following their own father/husband due to fear. Especially savagely beaten ones.
Child abuse isn't something that happens once and is regretted by the offender it's a life long pattern of abuse. This is what we call an assumption. You have NO idea that this hasn't gone on for her entire childhood life. It is far more likely that it has rather than it hasn't. Especially considering the savagery actions by him and her emotional state after the beating. Also, the evidence of the trauma she experienced is prevalent in her actions as an adult. You are believing the father's story because you support his actions.
Do I think that her father lost control? Yes. Do I think that she comes from an abused home or that she was an abused child? Hell, no.No, you are taking the word of the father over her word because you support his actions rather than focusing on the simple, unquestionable fact that it was assault and battery that he comitted.
It doesn't matter that there was no police report. The act of savegly beating your own 16 year old daughter with a belt is proof enough that it is abuse. The video proves this... end of story.
The father SUPPOSEDLY appologized. There's no real evidence to support this except the spin doctored message from his attorney.
As to the rest, I'll reply in red.
Here's what I don't like about this:
"...beating his cerebral-palsy-stricken daughter ..."
"...using the internet to acquire music and games that were unavailable for legal purchase at the time ..."
That sends up red flags for me - it tells me that someone is trying to emotionally manipulate me. Her reason for uploading the tape after 7 years of sitting on it sounded like something a person would say when they know the real reason wouldn't flatter their position.
Then we get her father's side and it all makes a lot more sense.
Victims of a savage beating have more than just a sore bum. Infact, here's what a "savage beating" looks like when it's over:
She didn't release the video for some noble reason or for her father to get help she released it because she didn't get her way at 23 years old.
She's been pretty damn sneaky thru out this story and has a past history of theft - why should her words carry any weight?
Has the Judge been sneaky?
"She's mad because I've ordered her to bring the car back, in a nutshell, but yeah that's me, I lost my temper," Adams told us. "Her mother was there, she wasn't hurt.. it was a long time ago.. I really don't want to get into this right now because as you can see my life's been made very difficult over this child," Adams continued.
When asked if he felt he was going to face any suspension or discipline from the state over the video Adams responded, "In my mind I have not done anything wrong other than discipline my child when she was caught stealing. I did lose my temper, I've apologized.. it looks worse than it is."
"If the public must know, just prior to the you tube upload, a concerned father shared with his 23-year-old daughter that he was unwilling to continue to... be her primary source of financial support... Hillary warned her father if he reduced her financial support, and took away her Mercedes automobile, which her father had provided, he would live to regret it. The post was then uploaded."
?
Oh yeah, the poor little darling chose to live with ebil daddy after her parents divorced.
I knew there was a reason she sat on the video for eight years and still lived with one of her "abusive" parents for years beyond adulthood.
Isolated incident which daddy apologized for long ago.
Yet, more spin-doctory and non-evidence based conjecture by the father's attorney. What he said is not the issue at hand. It is obfuscation tactics. Used to turn the media away from the REAL issue... the savage beating of a 16 year old girl with a belt by a father who is a judge that judges people on child abuse cases.
Did you read the police report that describes her injuries after that beating? Did you see the video of her injuries after the beating? Did you see anything on her body to indicate that she suffered injury after getting hit by her father's belt? Is it possible that the video makes the incident worse than it appears?
People make mistakes and the father apologized to his daughter for making that mistake.
You'd think this level of violence would of come up during the divorce...
You'd think that the abused child would jump at the chance to get away from her father and not live off of him for years after she's an adult. Child abuse victims have been shown to act in similar manners to spousal abuse victims. IE: Following their own father/husband due to fear. Especially savagely beaten ones.
Child abuse isn't something that happens once and is regretted by the offender it's a life long pattern of abuse. This is what we call an assumption. You have NO idea that this hasn't gone on for her entire childhood life. It is far more likely that it has rather than it hasn't. Especially considering the savagery actions by him and her emotional state after the beating. Also, the evidence of the trauma she experienced is prevalent in her actions as an adult. You are believing the father's story because you support his actions.
Do I think that her father lost control? Yes. Do I think that she comes from an abused home or that she was an abused child? Hell, no.No, you are taking the word of the father over her word because you support his actions rather than focusing on the simple, unquestionable fact that it was assault and battery that he comitted.
It doesn't matter that there was no police report. The act of savegly beating your own 16 year old daughter with a belt is proof enough that it is abuse. The video proves this... end of story.
The father SUPPOSEDLY appologized. There's no real evidence to support this except the spin doctored message from his attorney.
As to the rest, I'll reply in red.
Here's what I don't like about this:
"...beating his cerebral-palsy-stricken daughter ..."
"...using the internet to acquire music and games that were unavailable for legal purchase at the time ..."
That sends up red flags for me - it tells me that someone is trying to emotionally manipulate me. Her reason for uploading the tape after 7 years of sitting on it sounded like something a person would say when they know the real reason wouldn't flatter their position.
Then we get her father's side and it all makes a lot more sense.
Victims of a savage beating have more than just a sore bum. Infact, here's what a "savage beating" looks like when it's over:
She didn't release the video for some noble reason or for her father to get help she released it because she didn't get her way at 23 years old.
She's been pretty damn sneaky thru out this story and has a past history of theft - why should her words carry any weight?
Has the Judge been sneaky?
"She's mad because I've ordered her to bring the car back, in a nutshell, but yeah that's me, I lost my temper," Adams told us. "Her mother was there, she wasn't hurt.. it was a long time ago.. I really don't want to get into this right now because as you can see my life's been made very difficult over this child," Adams continued.
When asked if he felt he was going to face any suspension or discipline from the state over the video Adams responded, "In my mind I have not done anything wrong other than discipline my child when she was caught stealing. I did lose my temper, I've apologized.. it looks worse than it is."
So, you complain about emotionally charged phrases yet provide an emotionally charged pic. I won't say the word I am thinking because I would be banned.
You are also getting hung up on the stuff that actually makes no difference what-so-ever. The vid speaks volumes. She was savagely beaten, by an extremely pissed off man, with a belt. The law agrees with me... that's child abuse. If there wasn't a time limit on making claims of child abuse, his ass would be in court right now being prosecuted.
Again, the rest of the stuff that you are supporting doesn't matter. The vid is the only piece of evidence needed. Psychology is just icing on the cake.
Oh, and his statement, "it looks worse than it is." Yeah... only because he's fucked up in the head. There will be reprecussions for him with that statement.
She posted it because he was about to cut off his financial support and take away the Mercedes he let her use. She had quit her college studies and was working part time at a Gamestop.
"Adams's lawyer, William Dudley, said in a written statement that Hillary Adams's explantion of her decision to share the video "have been confusing and hollow ... Very few people find palatable her claim that it was to 'help' her father."
Before the video's release William Adams had threatened to stop supporting her financially because of her lack of achievement in her work and studies. "Hillary warned her father if he reduced her financial support and took away her Mercedes automobile, which her father had provided, he would live to regret it," Dudley said. "The post was then uploaded."
Hillary Adams had played up her cerebral palsy when she was actually "highly functional".
"I used to think the worst thing in life was to be all alone. It's not. The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel all alone." Robin Williams
She posted it because he was about to cut off his financial support and take away the Mercedes he let her use. She had quit her college studies and was working part time at a Gamestop.
"Adams's lawyer, William Dudley, said in a written statement that Hillary Adams's explantion of her decision to share the video "have been confusing and hollow ... Very few people find palatable her claim that it was to 'help' her father."
Before the video's release William Adams had threatened to stop supporting her financially because of her lack of achievement in her work and studies. "Hillary warned her father if he reduced her financial support and took away her Mercedes automobile, which her father had provided, he would live to regret it," Dudley said. "The post was then uploaded."
Hillary Adams had played up her cerebral palsy when she was actually "highly functional".
Again... that doesn't matter one bit. The issue is with the savage beating of her, when she was 16, by her own father, with a belt, when he was severely pissed off. That's child abuse.
Whatever her motivation might be, it doesn't make what her father did any less savage. And beyond this he is a family court judge, supposed to be able to deal with the very abuse he himself is guilty of. And is he still married to that woman? Physical abuse very rarely limits itself to just children. Perhaps that girl is just being vindictive, she has a right to be. Perhaps she is severely psychologically damaged. Maybe she is just being a money-grubbing 20-something who doesn't want to work. Who cares? When has blaming the victim ever exonerated the guilty? She could be a complete monster and it wouldn't make that kind of abuse right. The issue is not her motivation. Abuse took place, we have evidence of that fact.
She posted it because he was about to cut off his financial support and take away the Mercedes he let her use. She had quit her college studies and was working part time at a Gamestop.
"Adams's lawyer, William Dudley, said in a written statement that Hillary Adams's explantion of her decision to share the video "have been confusing and hollow ... Very few people find palatable her claim that it was to 'help' her father."
Before the video's release William Adams had threatened to stop supporting her financially because of her lack of achievement in her work and studies. "Hillary warned her father if he reduced her financial support and took away her Mercedes automobile, which her father had provided, he would live to regret it," Dudley said. "The post was then uploaded."
Hillary Adams had played up her cerebral palsy when she was actually "highly functional".
Again... that doesn't matter one bit. The issue is with the savage beating of her, when she was 16, by her own father, with a belt, when he was severely pissed off. That's child abuse.
All I'll say, from my personal experience, is that getting whipped for violatiing the professional ethics that my father is required to follow for his and my livelyhood was not abusive. It does not abrogate him from violating those same eithics either.
"I used to think the worst thing in life was to be all alone. It's not. The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel all alone." Robin Williams
"If the public must know, just prior to the you tube upload, a concerned father shared with his 23-year-old daughter that he was unwilling to continue to... be her primary source of financial support... Hillary warned her father if he reduced her financial support, and took away her Mercedes automobile, which her father had provided, he would live to regret it. The post was then uploaded."
?
Oh yeah, the poor little darling chose to live with ebil daddy after her parents divorced.
I knew there was a reason she sat on the video for eight years and still lived with one of her "abusive" parents for years beyond adulthood.
Isolated incident which daddy apologized for long ago.
Yet, more spin-doctory and non-evidence based conjecture by the father's attorney. What he said is not the issue at hand. It is obfuscation tactics. Used to turn the media away from the REAL issue... the savage beating of a 16 year old girl with a belt by a father who is a judge that judges people on child abuse cases.
Did you read the police report that describes her injuries after that beating? Did you see the video of her injuries after the beating? Did you see anything on her body to indicate that she suffered injury after getting hit by her father's belt? Is it possible that the video makes the incident worse than it appears?
People make mistakes and the father apologized to his daughter for making that mistake.
You'd think this level of violence would of come up during the divorce...
You'd think that the abused child would jump at the chance to get away from her father and not live off of him for years after she's an adult. Child abuse victims have been shown to act in similar manners to spousal abuse victims. IE: Following their own father/husband due to fear. Especially savagely beaten ones.
Child abuse isn't something that happens once and is regretted by the offender it's a life long pattern of abuse. This is what we call an assumption. You have NO idea that this hasn't gone on for her entire childhood life. It is far more likely that it has rather than it hasn't. Especially considering the savagery actions by him and her emotional state after the beating. Also, the evidence of the trauma she experienced is prevalent in her actions as an adult. You are believing the father's story because you support his actions.
Do I think that her father lost control? Yes. Do I think that she comes from an abused home or that she was an abused child? Hell, no.No, you are taking the word of the father over her word because you support his actions rather than focusing on the simple, unquestionable fact that it was assault and battery that he comitted.
It doesn't matter that there was no police report. The act of savegly beating your own 16 year old daughter with a belt is proof enough that it is abuse. The video proves this... end of story.
The father SUPPOSEDLY appologized. There's no real evidence to support this except the spin doctored message from his attorney.
As to the rest, I'll reply in red.
Here's what I don't like about this:
"...beating his cerebral-palsy-stricken daughter ..."
"...using the internet to acquire music and games that were unavailable for legal purchase at the time ..."
That sends up red flags for me - it tells me that someone is trying to emotionally manipulate me. Her reason for uploading the tape after 7 years of sitting on it sounded like something a person would say when they know the real reason wouldn't flatter their position.
Then we get her father's side and it all makes a lot more sense.
Victims of a savage beating have more than just a sore bum. Infact, here's what a "savage beating" looks like when it's over:
She didn't release the video for some noble reason or for her father to get help she released it because she didn't get her way at 23 years old.
She's been pretty damn sneaky thru out this story and has a past history of theft - why should her words carry any weight?
Has the Judge been sneaky?
"She's mad because I've ordered her to bring the car back, in a nutshell, but yeah that's me, I lost my temper," Adams told us. "Her mother was there, she wasn't hurt.. it was a long time ago.. I really don't want to get into this right now because as you can see my life's been made very difficult over this child," Adams continued.
When asked if he felt he was going to face any suspension or discipline from the state over the video Adams responded, "In my mind I have not done anything wrong other than discipline my child when she was caught stealing. I did lose my temper, I've apologized.. it looks worse than it is."
So, you complain about emotionally charged phrases yet provide an emotionally charged pic. I won't say the word I am thinking because I would be banned.
You are also getting hung up on the stuff that actually makes no difference what-so-ever. The vid speaks volumes. She was savagely beaten, by an extremely pissed off man, with a belt. The law agrees with me... that's child abuse. If there wasn't a time limit on making claims of child abuse, his ass would be in court right now being prosecuted.
Again, the rest of the stuff that you are supporting doesn't matter. The vid is the only piece of evidence needed. Psychology is just icing on the cake.
Oh, and his statement, "it looks worse than it is." Yeah... only because he's fucked up in the head. There will be reprecussions for him with that statement.
You didn't seem to understand the difference between a sore bum and a savage beating. The dude in the pic was beaten savagely, the 16 year old was diciplined for stealing music at a time when being sued for stealing music was big news. She suffered a sore bum and possibly a red ass for a little while, it required no medical attention and no perminant damage was made.
The father's crime is that he was angry when he did it, and that's the problem I have with him, when you are angry you are not supposed to use corporal punishment for obvious reasons that we've seen on that tape. He apologized to his kid for that just as her mother apologized, but unlike her mother, all hasn't been forgiven, or perhaps it was, that is, until daddy cut her off...
Children that are constantly diciplined like that learn not to move. A belt to the ass hurts less than a belt to the legs and when you get that sort of punishment all the time you learn not not resist or struggle. Stay still it hurts less. For this reason I doubt that belt was the standard method of dicipline in that household and was reserved for more serious offenses.
From reviewing the interviews of this incident I get the impression that the 23 year old is trying to sell me magic beans - she's making her position seem far worse than it needed to be given the images in the tape. She's the one spinning stories and doctoring facts to make herself seem more of a victim than was needed.
It's unfortunate that her parents used a belt on her as a method of dicipline but I doubt it was their standard method.
It's unfortunate that her parents were angry when they did it and both have since apologized.
It's unfortunate that a 23 year old woman feels that she has to tolerate the continued "abuse" of her father. Such as taking money away from her since she left school and taking the car away... Damn that ebil bastard! Why can't he just let her live her own life... Oh, wait, he's doing exactly that and surprise! She considers it abusive.
She posted it because he was about to cut off his financial support and take away the Mercedes he let her use. She had quit her college studies and was working part time at a Gamestop.
"Adams's lawyer, William Dudley, said in a written statement that Hillary Adams's explantion of her decision to share the video "have been confusing and hollow ... Very few people find palatable her claim that it was to 'help' her father."
Before the video's release William Adams had threatened to stop supporting her financially because of her lack of achievement in her work and studies. "Hillary warned her father if he reduced her financial support and took away her Mercedes automobile, which her father had provided, he would live to regret it," Dudley said. "The post was then uploaded."
Hillary Adams had played up her cerebral palsy when she was actually "highly functional".
Again... that doesn't matter one bit. The issue is with the savage beating of her, when she was 16, by her own father, with a belt, when he was severely pissed off. That's child abuse.
All I'll say, from my personal experience, is that getting whipped for violatiing the professional ethics that my father is required to follow for his and my livelyhood was not abusive. It does not abrogate him from violating those same eithics either.
Because, personal ethics are subjective. Societal ethics, on the other hand, are not. And, societal ethics states that savagely beating your 16 year old child, with a belt, while enraged is CHILD ABUSE.
"If the public must know, just prior to the you tube upload, a concerned father shared with his 23-year-old daughter that he was unwilling to continue to... be her primary source of financial support... Hillary warned her father if he reduced her financial support, and took away her Mercedes automobile, which her father had provided, he would live to regret it. The post was then uploaded."
?
Oh yeah, the poor little darling chose to live with ebil daddy after her parents divorced.
I knew there was a reason she sat on the video for eight years and still lived with one of her "abusive" parents for years beyond adulthood.
Isolated incident which daddy apologized for long ago.
Yet, more spin-doctory and non-evidence based conjecture by the father's attorney. What he said is not the issue at hand. It is obfuscation tactics. Used to turn the media away from the REAL issue... the savage beating of a 16 year old girl with a belt by a father who is a judge that judges people on child abuse cases.
Did you read the police report that describes her injuries after that beating? Did you see the video of her injuries after the beating? Did you see anything on her body to indicate that she suffered injury after getting hit by her father's belt? Is it possible that the video makes the incident worse than it appears?
People make mistakes and the father apologized to his daughter for making that mistake.
You'd think this level of violence would of come up during the divorce...
You'd think that the abused child would jump at the chance to get away from her father and not live off of him for years after she's an adult. Child abuse victims have been shown to act in similar manners to spousal abuse victims. IE: Following their own father/husband due to fear. Especially savagely beaten ones.
Child abuse isn't something that happens once and is regretted by the offender it's a life long pattern of abuse. This is what we call an assumption. You have NO idea that this hasn't gone on for her entire childhood life. It is far more likely that it has rather than it hasn't. Especially considering the savagery actions by him and her emotional state after the beating. Also, the evidence of the trauma she experienced is prevalent in her actions as an adult. You are believing the father's story because you support his actions.
Do I think that her father lost control? Yes. Do I think that she comes from an abused home or that she was an abused child? Hell, no.No, you are taking the word of the father over her word because you support his actions rather than focusing on the simple, unquestionable fact that it was assault and battery that he comitted.
It doesn't matter that there was no police report. The act of savegly beating your own 16 year old daughter with a belt is proof enough that it is abuse. The video proves this... end of story.
The father SUPPOSEDLY appologized. There's no real evidence to support this except the spin doctored message from his attorney.
As to the rest, I'll reply in red.
Here's what I don't like about this:
"...beating his cerebral-palsy-stricken daughter ..."
"...using the internet to acquire music and games that were unavailable for legal purchase at the time ..."
That sends up red flags for me - it tells me that someone is trying to emotionally manipulate me. Her reason for uploading the tape after 7 years of sitting on it sounded like something a person would say when they know the real reason wouldn't flatter their position.
Then we get her father's side and it all makes a lot more sense.
Victims of a savage beating have more than just a sore bum. Infact, here's what a "savage beating" looks like when it's over:
She didn't release the video for some noble reason or for her father to get help she released it because she didn't get her way at 23 years old.
She's been pretty damn sneaky thru out this story and has a past history of theft - why should her words carry any weight?
Has the Judge been sneaky?
"She's mad because I've ordered her to bring the car back, in a nutshell, but yeah that's me, I lost my temper," Adams told us. "Her mother was there, she wasn't hurt.. it was a long time ago.. I really don't want to get into this right now because as you can see my life's been made very difficult over this child," Adams continued.
When asked if he felt he was going to face any suspension or discipline from the state over the video Adams responded, "In my mind I have not done anything wrong other than discipline my child when she was caught stealing. I did lose my temper, I've apologized.. it looks worse than it is."
So, you complain about emotionally charged phrases yet provide an emotionally charged pic. I won't say the word I am thinking because I would be banned.
You are also getting hung up on the stuff that actually makes no difference what-so-ever. The vid speaks volumes. She was savagely beaten, by an extremely pissed off man, with a belt. The law agrees with me... that's child abuse. If there wasn't a time limit on making claims of child abuse, his ass would be in court right now being prosecuted.
Again, the rest of the stuff that you are supporting doesn't matter. The vid is the only piece of evidence needed. Psychology is just icing on the cake.
Oh, and his statement, "it looks worse than it is." Yeah... only because he's fucked up in the head. There will be reprecussions for him with that statement.
You didn't seem to understand the difference between a sore bum and a savage beating. The dude in the pic was beaten savagely, the 16 year old was diciplined for stealing music at a time when being sued for stealing music was big news. She suffered a sore bum and possibly a red ass for a little while, it required no medical attention and no perminant damage was made.
You assume that she only suffered a "sore bum". Her affect in the video tells otherwise. Eitherway, beating someone with an object, no matter if it's family or not, constitutes as battery under law.
The father's crime is that he was angry when he did it, and that's the problem I have with him, when you are angry you are not supposed to use corporal punishment for obvious reasons that we've seen on that tape. He apologized to his kid for that just as her mother apologized, but unlike her mother, all hasn't been forgiven, or perhaps it was, that is, until daddy cut her off...
No. The father's crime is that he was clearly enraged when he did it and he was using a belt at the same time. He was committing assault and battery against his own 16 year old daughter. As to the rest of that statement... those things don't matter one bit. They are there to try and obfuscate the REAL issue... the savage beating of a 16 year old girl by an enraged man with a belt.
Children that are constantly diciplined like that learn not to move. A belt to the ass hurts less than a belt to the legs and when you get that sort of punishment all the time you learn not not resist or struggle. Stay still it hurts less. For this reason I doubt that belt was the standard method of dicipline in that household and was reserved for more serious offenses.
First, blue, thank your for describing the assault part of using a belt for corporal punishment. FEAR... using a belt induces fear. Fear into the child. That's Assault... which is against the law.
Second, you assume it was not the normal method of punishment for her. Her tell tale emotional scars tells otherwise.
From reviewing the interviews of this incident I get the impression that the 23 year old is trying to sell me magic beans - she's making her position seem far worse than it needed to be given the images in the tape. She's the one spinning stories and doctoring facts to make herself seem more of a victim than was needed.
Again, this doesn't matter one bit. It's obfuscation tactics. The video speaks the truth LOUD and CLEAR!
It's unfortunate that her parents used a belt on her as a method of dicipline but I doubt it was their standard method.
Again, you assume it was not.
It's unfortunate that her parents were angry when they did it and both have since apologized.
Way after the fact. And only when it came out in public. Yeah... his motives speaks far louder than his "apology" (if you can call it that).
It's unfortunate that a 23 year old woman feels that she has to tolerate the continued "abuse" of her father. Such as taking money away from her since she left school and taking the car away... Damn that ebil bastard! Why can't he just let her live her own life... Oh, wait, he's doing exactly that and surprise! She considers it abusive.
Ahh, yes... hating on the victim so that you can prop up the abuser to victim status. Again, irrelevant! The video speaks truth LOUD and CLEAR!
She posted it because he was about to cut off his financial support and take away the Mercedes he let her use. She had quit her college studies and was working part time at a Gamestop.
"Adams's lawyer, William Dudley, said in a written statement that Hillary Adams's explantion of her decision to share the video "have been confusing and hollow ... Very few people find palatable her claim that it was to 'help' her father."
Before the video's release William Adams had threatened to stop supporting her financially because of her lack of achievement in her work and studies. "Hillary warned her father if he reduced her financial support and took away her Mercedes automobile, which her father had provided, he would live to regret it," Dudley said. "The post was then uploaded."
Hillary Adams had played up her cerebral palsy when she was actually "highly functional".
Again... that doesn't matter one bit. The issue is with the savage beating of her, when she was 16, by her own father, with a belt, when he was severely pissed off. That's child abuse.
All I'll say, from my personal experience, is that getting whipped for violatiing the professional ethics that my father is required to follow for his and my livelyhood was not abusive. It does not abrogate him from violating those same eithics either.
Because, personal ethics are subjective. Societal ethics, on the other hand, are not. And, societal ethics states that savagely beating your 16 year old child, with a belt, while enraged is CHILD ABUSE.
I'll also say that by 16 any pain felt wasn't the punishment. It was the embarassment.
"I used to think the worst thing in life was to be all alone. It's not. The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel all alone." Robin Williams
She posted it because he was about to cut off his financial support and take away the Mercedes he let her use. She had quit her college studies and was working part time at a Gamestop.
"Adams's lawyer, William Dudley, said in a written statement that Hillary Adams's explantion of her decision to share the video "have been confusing and hollow ... Very few people find palatable her claim that it was to 'help' her father."
Before the video's release William Adams had threatened to stop supporting her financially because of her lack of achievement in her work and studies. "Hillary warned her father if he reduced her financial support and took away her Mercedes automobile, which her father had provided, he would live to regret it," Dudley said. "The post was then uploaded."
Hillary Adams had played up her cerebral palsy when she was actually "highly functional".
Again... that doesn't matter one bit. The issue is with the savage beating of her, when she was 16, by her own father, with a belt, when he was severely pissed off. That's child abuse.
All I'll say, from my personal experience, is that getting whipped for violatiing the professional ethics that my father is required to follow for his and my livelyhood was not abusive. It does not abrogate him from violating those same eithics either.
Because, personal ethics are subjective. Societal ethics, on the other hand, are not. And, societal ethics states that savagely beating your 16 year old child, with a belt, while enraged is CHILD ABUSE.
I'll also say that by 16 any pain felt wasn't the punishment. It was the embarassment.
Blue: Which is assault. The act of savagely beating his 16 year old child is battery. Again, if she or someone else would've reported the abuse, he would've been prosecuted for child abuse. Specifically, assault and battery.
"If the public must know, just prior to the you tube upload, a concerned father shared with his 23-year-old daughter that he was unwilling to continue to... be her primary source of financial support... Hillary warned her father if he reduced her financial support, and took away her Mercedes automobile, which her father had provided, he would live to regret it. The post was then uploaded."
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Oh yeah, the poor little darling chose to live with ebil daddy after her parents divorced.
I knew there was a reason she sat on the video for eight years and still lived with one of her "abusive" parents for years beyond adulthood.
Isolated incident which daddy apologized for long ago.
Yet, more spin-doctory and non-evidence based conjecture by the father's attorney. What he said is not the issue at hand. It is obfuscation tactics. Used to turn the media away from the REAL issue... the savage beating of a 16 year old girl with a belt by a father who is a judge that judges people on child abuse cases.
Did you read the police report that describes her injuries after that beating? Did you see the video of her injuries after the beating? Did you see anything on her body to indicate that she suffered injury after getting hit by her father's belt? Is it possible that the video makes the incident worse than it appears?
People make mistakes and the father apologized to his daughter for making that mistake.
You'd think this level of violence would of come up during the divorce...
You'd think that the abused child would jump at the chance to get away from her father and not live off of him for years after she's an adult. Child abuse victims have been shown to act in similar manners to spousal abuse victims. IE: Following their own father/husband due to fear. Especially savagely beaten ones.
Child abuse isn't something that happens once and is regretted by the offender it's a life long pattern of abuse. This is what we call an assumption. You have NO idea that this hasn't gone on for her entire childhood life. It is far more likely that it has rather than it hasn't. Especially considering the savagery actions by him and her emotional state after the beating. Also, the evidence of the trauma she experienced is prevalent in her actions as an adult. You are believing the father's story because you support his actions.
Do I think that her father lost control? Yes. Do I think that she comes from an abused home or that she was an abused child? Hell, no.No, you are taking the word of the father over her word because you support his actions rather than focusing on the simple, unquestionable fact that it was assault and battery that he comitted.
It doesn't matter that there was no police report. The act of savegly beating your own 16 year old daughter with a belt is proof enough that it is abuse. The video proves this... end of story.
The father SUPPOSEDLY appologized. There's no real evidence to support this except the spin doctored message from his attorney.
As to the rest, I'll reply in red.
Here's what I don't like about this:
"...beating his cerebral-palsy-stricken daughter ..."
"...using the internet to acquire music and games that were unavailable for legal purchase at the time ..."
That sends up red flags for me - it tells me that someone is trying to emotionally manipulate me. Her reason for uploading the tape after 7 years of sitting on it sounded like something a person would say when they know the real reason wouldn't flatter their position.
Then we get her father's side and it all makes a lot more sense.
Victims of a savage beating have more than just a sore bum. Infact, here's what a "savage beating" looks like when it's over:
She didn't release the video for some noble reason or for her father to get help she released it because she didn't get her way at 23 years old.
She's been pretty damn sneaky thru out this story and has a past history of theft - why should her words carry any weight?
Has the Judge been sneaky?
"She's mad because I've ordered her to bring the car back, in a nutshell, but yeah that's me, I lost my temper," Adams told us. "Her mother was there, she wasn't hurt.. it was a long time ago.. I really don't want to get into this right now because as you can see my life's been made very difficult over this child," Adams continued.
When asked if he felt he was going to face any suspension or discipline from the state over the video Adams responded, "In my mind I have not done anything wrong other than discipline my child when she was caught stealing. I did lose my temper, I've apologized.. it looks worse than it is."
So, you complain about emotionally charged phrases yet provide an emotionally charged pic. I won't say the word I am thinking because I would be banned.
You are also getting hung up on the stuff that actually makes no difference what-so-ever. The vid speaks volumes. She was savagely beaten, by an extremely pissed off man, with a belt. The law agrees with me... that's child abuse. If there wasn't a time limit on making claims of child abuse, his ass would be in court right now being prosecuted.
Again, the rest of the stuff that you are supporting doesn't matter. The vid is the only piece of evidence needed. Psychology is just icing on the cake.
Oh, and his statement, "it looks worse than it is." Yeah... only because he's fucked up in the head. There will be reprecussions for him with that statement.
You didn't seem to understand the difference between a sore bum and a savage beating. The dude in the pic was beaten savagely, the 16 year old was diciplined for stealing music at a time when being sued for stealing music was big news. She suffered a sore bum and possibly a red ass for a little while, it required no medical attention and no perminant damage was made.
You assume that she only suffered a "sore bum". Her affect in the video tells otherwise. Eitherway, beating someone with an object, no matter if it's family or not, constitutes as battery under law.
The father's crime is that he was angry when he did it, and that's the problem I have with him, when you are angry you are not supposed to use corporal punishment for obvious reasons that we've seen on that tape. He apologized to his kid for that just as her mother apologized, but unlike her mother, all hasn't been forgiven, or perhaps it was, that is, until daddy cut her off...
No. The father's crime is that he was clearly enraged when he did it and he was using a belt at the same time. He was committing assault and battery against his own 16 year old daughter. As to the rest of that statement... those things don't matter one bit. They are there to try and obfuscate the REAL issue... the savage beating of a 16 year old girl by an enraged man with a belt.
Children that are constantly diciplined like that learn not to move. A belt to the ass hurts less than a belt to the legs and when you get that sort of punishment all the time you learn not not resist or struggle. Stay still it hurts less. For this reason I doubt that belt was the standard method of dicipline in that household and was reserved for more serious offenses.
First, blue, thank your for describing the assault part of using a belt for corporal punishment. FEAR... using a belt induces fear. Fear into the child. That's Assault... which is against the law.
Second, you assume it was not the normal method of punishment for her. Her tell tale emotional scars tells otherwise.
From reviewing the interviews of this incident I get the impression that the 23 year old is trying to sell me magic beans - she's making her position seem far worse than it needed to be given the images in the tape. She's the one spinning stories and doctoring facts to make herself seem more of a victim than was needed.
Again, this doesn't matter one bit. It's obfuscation tactics. The video speaks the truth LOUD and CLEAR!
It's unfortunate that her parents used a belt on her as a method of dicipline but I doubt it was their standard method.
Again, you assume it was not.
It's unfortunate that her parents were angry when they did it and both have since apologized.
Way after the fact. And only when it came out in public. Yeah... his motives speaks far louder than his "apology" (if you can call it that).
It's unfortunate that a 23 year old woman feels that she has to tolerate the continued "abuse" of her father. Such as taking money away from her since she left school and taking the car away... Damn that ebil bastard! Why can't he just let her live her own life... Oh, wait, he's doing exactly that and surprise! She considers it abusive.
Ahh, yes... hating on the victim so that you can prop up the abuser to victim status. Again, irrelevant! The video speaks truth LOUD and CLEAR!
There's no assumption. If she has sustained any type of injury other than what's typical of that sort of dicipline - she would of told the world all about it when she uploaded the video, just as she told everyone that she was "handicapped", and only stole music that was not available for sale, and masked the real reson why she released the video. Cite texas law or local law that says you can't use a belt to dicipline your child.
She released the video because her dad cut her off of his support, not because he/she needed help, or for a healing process, or therapy, but because her dad cut her off and made her turn in her car. There's no indication of emotional scars prior to him cutting her off.
She sat on that tape and threatened her father with it to extort further financial support from him and she did it by embellishing her position and failing to disclose her true reasons behind releasing it - how can you not loath a person like that?
The video shows a 16 year old girl being diciplined for stealing in a nature that many people, including myself, disagree with. It's not pleasent to watch and I wouldn't subject my own kid to that, but I'm also not willing to convict somebody of a crime just because I saw an ugly video without having a legal trial. The father shouldn't be punished by mob justice.
He's innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and if there's no trial you have no choice but to respect his freedoms and rights.
"If the public must know, just prior to the you tube upload, a concerned father shared with his 23-year-old daughter that he was unwilling to continue to... be her primary source of financial support... Hillary warned her father if he reduced her financial support, and took away her Mercedes automobile, which her father had provided, he would live to regret it. The post was then uploaded."
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Oh yeah, the poor little darling chose to live with ebil daddy after her parents divorced.
I knew there was a reason she sat on the video for eight years and still lived with one of her "abusive" parents for years beyond adulthood.
Isolated incident which daddy apologized for long ago.
Yet, more spin-doctory and non-evidence based conjecture by the father's attorney. What he said is not the issue at hand. It is obfuscation tactics. Used to turn the media away from the REAL issue... the savage beating of a 16 year old girl with a belt by a father who is a judge that judges people on child abuse cases.
Did you read the police report that describes her injuries after that beating? Did you see the video of her injuries after the beating? Did you see anything on her body to indicate that she suffered injury after getting hit by her father's belt? Is it possible that the video makes the incident worse than it appears?
People make mistakes and the father apologized to his daughter for making that mistake.
You'd think this level of violence would of come up during the divorce...
You'd think that the abused child would jump at the chance to get away from her father and not live off of him for years after she's an adult. Child abuse victims have been shown to act in similar manners to spousal abuse victims. IE: Following their own father/husband due to fear. Especially savagely beaten ones.
Child abuse isn't something that happens once and is regretted by the offender it's a life long pattern of abuse. This is what we call an assumption. You have NO idea that this hasn't gone on for her entire childhood life. It is far more likely that it has rather than it hasn't. Especially considering the savagery actions by him and her emotional state after the beating. Also, the evidence of the trauma she experienced is prevalent in her actions as an adult. You are believing the father's story because you support his actions.
Do I think that her father lost control? Yes. Do I think that she comes from an abused home or that she was an abused child? Hell, no.No, you are taking the word of the father over her word because you support his actions rather than focusing on the simple, unquestionable fact that it was assault and battery that he comitted.
It doesn't matter that there was no police report. The act of savegly beating your own 16 year old daughter with a belt is proof enough that it is abuse. The video proves this... end of story.
The father SUPPOSEDLY appologized. There's no real evidence to support this except the spin doctored message from his attorney.
As to the rest, I'll reply in red.
Here's what I don't like about this:
"...beating his cerebral-palsy-stricken daughter ..."
"...using the internet to acquire music and games that were unavailable for legal purchase at the time ..."
That sends up red flags for me - it tells me that someone is trying to emotionally manipulate me. Her reason for uploading the tape after 7 years of sitting on it sounded like something a person would say when they know the real reason wouldn't flatter their position.
Then we get her father's side and it all makes a lot more sense.
Victims of a savage beating have more than just a sore bum. Infact, here's what a "savage beating" looks like when it's over:
She didn't release the video for some noble reason or for her father to get help she released it because she didn't get her way at 23 years old.
She's been pretty damn sneaky thru out this story and has a past history of theft - why should her words carry any weight?
Has the Judge been sneaky?
"She's mad because I've ordered her to bring the car back, in a nutshell, but yeah that's me, I lost my temper," Adams told us. "Her mother was there, she wasn't hurt.. it was a long time ago.. I really don't want to get into this right now because as you can see my life's been made very difficult over this child," Adams continued.
When asked if he felt he was going to face any suspension or discipline from the state over the video Adams responded, "In my mind I have not done anything wrong other than discipline my child when she was caught stealing. I did lose my temper, I've apologized.. it looks worse than it is."
So, you complain about emotionally charged phrases yet provide an emotionally charged pic. I won't say the word I am thinking because I would be banned.
You are also getting hung up on the stuff that actually makes no difference what-so-ever. The vid speaks volumes. She was savagely beaten, by an extremely pissed off man, with a belt. The law agrees with me... that's child abuse. If there wasn't a time limit on making claims of child abuse, his ass would be in court right now being prosecuted.
Again, the rest of the stuff that you are supporting doesn't matter. The vid is the only piece of evidence needed. Psychology is just icing on the cake.
Oh, and his statement, "it looks worse than it is." Yeah... only because he's fucked up in the head. There will be reprecussions for him with that statement.
You didn't seem to understand the difference between a sore bum and a savage beating. The dude in the pic was beaten savagely, the 16 year old was diciplined for stealing music at a time when being sued for stealing music was big news. She suffered a sore bum and possibly a red ass for a little while, it required no medical attention and no perminant damage was made.
You assume that she only suffered a "sore bum". Her affect in the video tells otherwise. Eitherway, beating someone with an object, no matter if it's family or not, constitutes as battery under law.
The father's crime is that he was angry when he did it, and that's the problem I have with him, when you are angry you are not supposed to use corporal punishment for obvious reasons that we've seen on that tape. He apologized to his kid for that just as her mother apologized, but unlike her mother, all hasn't been forgiven, or perhaps it was, that is, until daddy cut her off...
No. The father's crime is that he was clearly enraged when he did it and he was using a belt at the same time. He was committing assault and battery against his own 16 year old daughter. As to the rest of that statement... those things don't matter one bit. They are there to try and obfuscate the REAL issue... the savage beating of a 16 year old girl by an enraged man with a belt.
Children that are constantly diciplined like that learn not to move. A belt to the ass hurts less than a belt to the legs and when you get that sort of punishment all the time you learn not not resist or struggle. Stay still it hurts less. For this reason I doubt that belt was the standard method of dicipline in that household and was reserved for more serious offenses.
First, blue, thank your for describing the assault part of using a belt for corporal punishment. FEAR... using a belt induces fear. Fear into the child. That's Assault... which is against the law.
Second, you assume it was not the normal method of punishment for her. Her tell tale emotional scars tells otherwise.
From reviewing the interviews of this incident I get the impression that the 23 year old is trying to sell me magic beans - she's making her position seem far worse than it needed to be given the images in the tape. She's the one spinning stories and doctoring facts to make herself seem more of a victim than was needed.
Again, this doesn't matter one bit. It's obfuscation tactics. The video speaks the truth LOUD and CLEAR!
It's unfortunate that her parents used a belt on her as a method of dicipline but I doubt it was their standard method.
Again, you assume it was not.
It's unfortunate that her parents were angry when they did it and both have since apologized.
Way after the fact. And only when it came out in public. Yeah... his motives speaks far louder than his "apology" (if you can call it that).
It's unfortunate that a 23 year old woman feels that she has to tolerate the continued "abuse" of her father. Such as taking money away from her since she left school and taking the car away... Damn that ebil bastard! Why can't he just let her live her own life... Oh, wait, he's doing exactly that and surprise! She considers it abusive.
Ahh, yes... hating on the victim so that you can prop up the abuser to victim status. Again, irrelevant! The video speaks truth LOUD and CLEAR!
There's no assumption. Yes you were. If she has sustained any type of injury other than what's typical of that sort of dicipline - she would of told the world all about it when she uploaded the video, just as she told everyone that she was "handicapped", and only stole music that was not available for sale, and masked the real reson why she released the video. Cite texas law or local law that says you can't use a belt to dicipline your child.
There is none because Texas does not care for the wellfare of children when it comes to pain. A vast majority of states use "not to cause excessive pain" or "emotional injury" or "mental distress". Texas also executes a far greature percentage of criminals in the US than other states. This speaks volumes of their ass-backwardsness.
She released the video because her dad cut her off of his support, not because he/she needed help, or for a healing process, or therapy, but because her dad cut her off and made her turn in her car. Irrelevant. There's no indication of emotional scars prior to him cutting her off. False. Her affect after the beating in the video speaks volumes.
She sat on that tape and threatened her father with it to extort further financial support from him and she did it by embellishing her position and failing to disclose her true reasons behind releasing it - how can you not loath a person like that? Irrelevant.
The video shows a 16 year old girl being diciplined for stealing in a nature that many people, including myself, disagree with. It's not pleasent to watch and I wouldn't subject my own kid to that, but I'm also not willing to convict somebody of a crime just because I saw an ugly video without having a legal trial. The father shouldn't be punished by mob justice. Yet, that is what law is. Mob justice. Tried by your "peers". He committed a grievous crime of assault and battering his child. And, if he was in any of the states that values the physical and emotional welfare of a child, he would've been punished.
He's innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and if there's no trial you have no choice but to respect his freedoms and rights. Who said anything about not "respecting his freedoms and rights." That doesn't constitute savagely beating a 16 year old child with a belt while extremely pissed off to cause both excessive pain and mental distress. Aka: Assault and Battery.
I was in awe of reactions on this. Growing up with what I did, to me, I would have been thankful, grateful, if this was the type of punishment I received. I would have begged for this to happen instead. I am honestly at a loss of words. It is like living on two different worlds entirely. I don't think people can really understand. Do not get me wrong, I am not condoning this, I am just left with a feeling of confusion trying to take it all in.
I was in awe of reactions on this. Growing up with what I did, to me, I would have been thankful, grateful, if this was the type of punishment I received. I would have begged for this to happen instead. I am honestly at a loss of words. It is like living on two different worlds entirely. I don't think people can really understand. Do not get me wrong, I am not condoning this, I am just left with a feeling of confusion trying to take it all in.
You are a sufferer of assault. The blue highlight is a tell-tale sign of the abuse that you had to endure.
I was in awe of reactions on this. Growing up with what I did, to me, I would have been thankful, grateful, if this was the type of punishment I received. I would have begged for this to happen instead. I am honestly at a loss of words. It is like living on two different worlds entirely. I don't think people can really understand. Do not get me wrong, I am not condoning this, I am just left with a feeling of confusion trying to take it all in.
Now i'm concerned about your education. Or this could be an explanation about your nickname/avatar (j/k)
Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt. Among those who dislike oppression are many who like to oppress.
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Did you read the police report that describes her injuries after that beating? Did you see the video of her injuries after the beating? Did you see anything on her body to indicate that she suffered injury after getting hit by her father's belt? Is it possible that the video makes the incident worse than it appears?
People make mistakes and the father apologized to his daughter for making that mistake.
You'd think this level of violence would of come up during the divorce...
You'd think that the abused child would jump at the chance to get away from her father and not live off of him for years after she's an adult.
Child abuse isn't something that happens once and is regretted by the offender it's a life long pattern of abuse.
Do I think that her father lost control? Yes. Do I think that she comes from an abused home or that she was an abused child? Hell, no.
It doesn't matter that there was no police report. The act of savegly beating your own 16 year old daughter with a belt is proof enough that it is abuse. The video proves this... end of story.
The father SUPPOSEDLY appologized. There's no real evidence to support this except the spin doctored message from his attorney.
As to the rest, I'll reply in red.
Here's what I don't like about this:
"...beating his cerebral-palsy-stricken daughter ..."
"...using the internet to acquire music and games that were unavailable for legal purchase at the time ..."
That sends up red flags for me - it tells me that someone is trying to emotionally manipulate me. Her reason for uploading the tape after 7 years of sitting on it sounded like something a person would say when they know the real reason wouldn't flatter their position.
Then we get her father's side and it all makes a lot more sense.
Victims of a savage beating have more than just a sore bum. Infact, here's what a "savage beating" looks like when it's over:
She didn't release the video for some noble reason or for her father to get help she released it because she didn't get her way at 23 years old.
She's been pretty damn sneaky thru out this story and has a past history of theft - why should her words carry any weight?
Has the Judge been sneaky?
"She's mad because I've ordered her to bring the car back, in a nutshell, but yeah that's me, I lost my temper," Adams told us. "Her mother was there, she wasn't hurt.. it was a long time ago.. I really don't want to get into this right now because as you can see my life's been made very difficult over this child," Adams continued.
When asked if he felt he was going to face any suspension or discipline from the state over the video Adams responded, "In my mind I have not done anything wrong other than discipline my child when she was caught stealing. I did lose my temper, I've apologized.. it looks worse than it is."
So, you complain about emotionally charged phrases yet provide an emotionally charged pic. I won't say the word I am thinking because I would be banned.
You are also getting hung up on the stuff that actually makes no difference what-so-ever. The vid speaks volumes. She was savagely beaten, by an extremely pissed off man, with a belt. The law agrees with me... that's child abuse. If there wasn't a time limit on making claims of child abuse, his ass would be in court right now being prosecuted.
Again, the rest of the stuff that you are supporting doesn't matter. The vid is the only piece of evidence needed. Psychology is just icing on the cake.
Oh, and his statement, "it looks worse than it is." Yeah... only because he's fucked up in the head. There will be reprecussions for him with that statement.
She posted it because he was about to cut off his financial support and take away the Mercedes he let her use. She had quit her college studies and was working part time at a Gamestop.
The below is the first URL that I could find.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/03/texas-judge-william-adams-beats-daugther
"Adams's lawyer, William Dudley, said in a written statement that Hillary Adams's explantion of her decision to share the video "have been confusing and hollow ... Very few people find palatable her claim that it was to 'help' her father."
Before the video's release William Adams had threatened to stop supporting her financially because of her lack of achievement in her work and studies. "Hillary warned her father if he reduced her financial support and took away her Mercedes automobile, which her father had provided, he would live to regret it," Dudley said. "The post was then uploaded."
Hillary Adams had played up her cerebral palsy when she was actually "highly functional".
Again... that doesn't matter one bit. The issue is with the savage beating of her, when she was 16, by her own father, with a belt, when he was severely pissed off. That's child abuse.
Whatever her motivation might be, it doesn't make what her father did any less savage. And beyond this he is a family court judge, supposed to be able to deal with the very abuse he himself is guilty of. And is he still married to that woman? Physical abuse very rarely limits itself to just children. Perhaps that girl is just being vindictive, she has a right to be. Perhaps she is severely psychologically damaged. Maybe she is just being a money-grubbing 20-something who doesn't want to work. Who cares? When has blaming the victim ever exonerated the guilty? She could be a complete monster and it wouldn't make that kind of abuse right. The issue is not her motivation. Abuse took place, we have evidence of that fact.
All I'll say, from my personal experience, is that getting whipped for violatiing the professional ethics that my father is required to follow for his and my livelyhood was not abusive. It does not abrogate him from violating those same eithics either.
You didn't seem to understand the difference between a sore bum and a savage beating. The dude in the pic was beaten savagely, the 16 year old was diciplined for stealing music at a time when being sued for stealing music was big news. She suffered a sore bum and possibly a red ass for a little while, it required no medical attention and no perminant damage was made.
The father's crime is that he was angry when he did it, and that's the problem I have with him, when you are angry you are not supposed to use corporal punishment for obvious reasons that we've seen on that tape. He apologized to his kid for that just as her mother apologized, but unlike her mother, all hasn't been forgiven, or perhaps it was, that is, until daddy cut her off...
Children that are constantly diciplined like that learn not to move. A belt to the ass hurts less than a belt to the legs and when you get that sort of punishment all the time you learn not not resist or struggle. Stay still it hurts less. For this reason I doubt that belt was the standard method of dicipline in that household and was reserved for more serious offenses.
From reviewing the interviews of this incident I get the impression that the 23 year old is trying to sell me magic beans - she's making her position seem far worse than it needed to be given the images in the tape. She's the one spinning stories and doctoring facts to make herself seem more of a victim than was needed.
It's unfortunate that her parents used a belt on her as a method of dicipline but I doubt it was their standard method.
It's unfortunate that her parents were angry when they did it and both have since apologized.
It's unfortunate that a 23 year old woman feels that she has to tolerate the continued "abuse" of her father. Such as taking money away from her since she left school and taking the car away... Damn that ebil bastard! Why can't he just let her live her own life... Oh, wait, he's doing exactly that and surprise! She considers it abusive.
Because, personal ethics are subjective. Societal ethics, on the other hand, are not. And, societal ethics states that savagely beating your 16 year old child, with a belt, while enraged is CHILD ABUSE.
I'll also say that by 16 any pain felt wasn't the punishment. It was the embarassment.
Blue: Which is assault. The act of savagely beating his 16 year old child is battery. Again, if she or someone else would've reported the abuse, he would've been prosecuted for child abuse. Specifically, assault and battery.
There's no assumption. If she has sustained any type of injury other than what's typical of that sort of dicipline - she would of told the world all about it when she uploaded the video, just as she told everyone that she was "handicapped", and only stole music that was not available for sale, and masked the real reson why she released the video. Cite texas law or local law that says you can't use a belt to dicipline your child.
She released the video because her dad cut her off of his support, not because he/she needed help, or for a healing process, or therapy, but because her dad cut her off and made her turn in her car. There's no indication of emotional scars prior to him cutting her off.
She sat on that tape and threatened her father with it to extort further financial support from him and she did it by embellishing her position and failing to disclose her true reasons behind releasing it - how can you not loath a person like that?
The video shows a 16 year old girl being diciplined for stealing in a nature that many people, including myself, disagree with. It's not pleasent to watch and I wouldn't subject my own kid to that, but I'm also not willing to convict somebody of a crime just because I saw an ugly video without having a legal trial. The father shouldn't be punished by mob justice.
He's innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and if there's no trial you have no choice but to respect his freedoms and rights.
this is why texas is awesome, im gonna move their so i can whoop my kids
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
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Locked.
Going to give this one another chance. If you guys can discuss it maturely without attacking each other we'll leave it open.
seeing a single page long of collapsing quote boxes is beginning to give me nightmarish flashbacks of R&P.
Can't you guys come to the realization that each of you will never convince the other that you are right and vice versa?
Formally known as Enigma
I was in awe of reactions on this. Growing up with what I did, to me, I would have been thankful, grateful, if this was the type of punishment I received. I would have begged for this to happen instead. I am honestly at a loss of words. It is like living on two different worlds entirely. I don't think people can really understand. Do not get me wrong, I am not condoning this, I am just left with a feeling of confusion trying to take it all in.
You are a sufferer of assault. The blue highlight is a tell-tale sign of the abuse that you had to endure.
all i see is "nu uh", "uh huh", "nu uh", "uh huh" for three straight pages. Also, who can get the last word in seems to be "the winner."
So if you two disagree with other, it will go back and forth for eternity then?
Formally known as Enigma
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"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
Now i'm concerned about your education. Or this could be an explanation about your nickname/avatar (j/k)
Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt.
Among those who dislike oppression are many who like to oppress.
As I have stated before, as the phrase that was commonly used in the R&P subforum, "You don't like it, don't read it."