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DarkHeart2
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WHy does everyone HATE Tremmel in UO? And why does everyone hate games that are nto open pvp? WTF?
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Not everyone. Its just that a large, rather vocal group of folks would like a good open PvP game. Only ones that come to mind offhand are OLD UO and ShadowBane. Well, I dont much like SB from my limited time in it...so I'm still waiting for a GOOD open PvP game. Thats just it though; it has to have MORE than just good PvP as sometimes I just want to craft or hunt.
Yes there are some of us who strongly believe Trammel (Tremmel sigh) was the begining of the end of UO. It heralded an age of players with no respect for the UO traditions and many of us believe the game went steadily downhill because of it.
Yes its largely about open PvP but mostly its because the old UO provided gameplay with a level of excitement unmatched in any game since.
Ive said it before.... Ill say it again.... Those of you who werent there dont know, those of you who were there understand, those of you who mistakenly believe open PvP ruins games simply dont know what you missed.
I always make the point at this stage that I was not a PK and I sucked at PvP, but the many times I was ganked and robbed did nothing to change my opinion. The game was better with open PvP, lack of open PvP is what makes every other MMO around boring, repetetive and basically aimless.
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"Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees. To hear the softly spoken magic spell" Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon
Reminds me of a time back in the old days of UO...my brother and I were just heading out from Castle Brittania and were just hitting the farmland when we noticed this guy following us. We asked him if he needed something and he said he was just waiting for us to get out of town so he could kill us. We stared him down for a good 5 minutes or so and when he realized that we weren't going to risk getting out of earshot of the guards, he gave up and went on his way. Of course, we had a good back and forth of "you sure you can take both of us?" which, looking back, was great. That is the ONLY really memorable moment for me in my MMORPG career.
"Fuck I laged!" "SHIT IM DEAD!" "The fucker is taking all my shit!"
"This is bullshit Im leaving this game."
Alot of cursing but that is what most people say in there minds or outloud....
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I tried to go back through...um...unnoficial old-school servers and...well, you can't go home again. It really does feel dated now as much as I hate to say it...I really wish someone would just do a full 3D remake of UO (not like that crappy 3D engine thats in it...ugh) and bring it up to the times...a few tweaks here and there...a tutorial in the form of a series of QUESTS instead of a hand holding instance (though some have done even those right...just takes work)
Why do people hate Trammel? ... because it ended an era of gaming that we have yet to come back to. Open PvP was so much fun, the only memories i have from any MMORPG game are all from Pre-Trammel UO. Me and my friends can sit around for litteraly HOURS and just talk about all the fun times we had in UO.
And yes, the "free shards" just arent the same. All the leet PvPers play them, yes, but the game isnt the same without all types of people. It is basically just a pure deathmatch now, but way back when, it was sooooooo much fun.
THE WHAT THE H/LL IS FEL FOR???????????? ALL PEOPLE WINE ABOUT TRAM BUT FORGET FEL. FEL IS OPEN PVP JUST NO ONE GOES THERE CAUSE ONLY A VERY VERY FEW PEOPLE LIKE OPEN PVP.
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"MMOs, for people that like think chatting is like a skill or something, rotflol"
http://purepwnage.com
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"Far away across the field, the tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees. To hear the softly spoken magic spell" Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon
MY OWN ?? RAZOR WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT IM POINTING OUT PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT GAMES WITH NO OPEN PVP AND THERE IS STILL IN UO ITS CALLED FEL I HATE PVPERS WHINING ABOUT THE OLD DAYS OF UO
Eep! CaPs LoCk
If it's got blood, I can kill it.
Vocal is the keyword.
People with jobs come home tired and have to be in bed before midnight so rather spent the 2 or so hours they got actually playing them spamming.
And when they get annoyed,fustrated,bored with a game they leave not spam.They simply poke into the local shop pay $50(no biggie ) and try another game.
Now i seen so much spam back in 1999/2000(can't remember now which yr trammel came live despite it been only 5 yrs ago lol) about how the game will die.
As a newbie helper i saw so many new people play this game when there was only one world and get robbed repeatedly of their meager 100 gold and rags.
And one common thing they always said "is this how the game is?".Understandably ,UO in 1998 had over 100k accounts(check 1999 world record book it was there) and next year dropped to under 60k.
Many said people got bored and moved to try EQ1 and AC1 which is totally true.
But the game was NOT retaining new customers.Even an origin offical in an interview with stratics.com admitted the people staying after free month was drastically down .
1 year after trammel came out UO had over 200k accounts.
So seems funny this "vast majority" as they called themselves when trammel came out that quit and still spent their lives spamming forums actually caused the numbers to rise sharply.
Truth is most people want some laws like in real life(maybe thats why afghanistan is not a top 10 place to migrate to in RL).
Thus the success of games like WoW and DAoC which have pvp but with rules.And other no hold bar pvp games like shadowbane stuggling to maintain even 50k customers.
Makes me laugh when i hear people say trammel killed UO tradition
.There never took away fellucia from people who wanna gank and rob.But oh no !No crafters to kill and no newbies to rob his cheap rags and laugh how u are making his gaming experience a nightmare.
EA(aka origin) did what they needed to do to save their buisness from those who would want to ruin it .Simple as that.