Well, seems i was correct... Awesome experience to go through. SW:TOR would do much better if it went B2P... which is not necesarily a bad thing. I'd say that the vast majority of the "best games ever made" were in that category so I'm not dissing it by any means. It's just that Bioware has neither the experience nor sensibility for a continuous "world" thing. If they called it KTOR3 and continued with the same financial model they would probably do better since the vast majority of players will f***k off after the first month or two of play.
Going for the wow-style subscription model and we "all love WoW!!" schtick might hurt them in the end but not by much TBH sicnce they already admitted they're not counting on high retention rates.
(And as a person who grew up on SW franchise, the very notion that everybody and his dog gets to wield a lightsaber is totally odious to me, but that is not Bioware's fault but that dreadful permaed moron Lucas's)
TOR is set in time line when Jedis were not a hunted species and were avilable abundantly throught the galaxy. So yes TOR is being very true to the lore and timeline. Do not mix up TOR with SW movies, they are set in very different times.
Yadda yadda yadda.
If I were Lucas and I thought pink fluff bunnie kittens as Jedi's source of powers would help me sell more plastic I'd find a way to write em in "lore". Jeeez we're not talking about the holy Bible or the epic of Gilgamesh here.
I don't care for my SW experience to look like this:
It's just moronic. It makes me sad I ever thought SW was something. It's like this dreadful perma-haird moron is pissing on my childhood and laughing.
It's just disgusting.
If you grew up on the prequels than have my respect... and pity. I close my case and bugger off into my parallel reality.
Didn't i just tell you that TOR is not set in same time line as SW? your gripe is that there are too many jedis well according to SW once Jedis existed in large numbers. So if anything TOR is more true to SW than SWG ever was.
And since we are not talking about Holy Bible than why are you getting so bent out of shape if Lucas decided to make Jedis available in large numbers during TOR era? even though this was mentioned in original SW trilogy itself. So it is not a surprise that jedis once upon a time were not close to exctintion. Come on dude you call yourself a true SW fan i don't need to tell you something so basic. You should really watch SW again because it was very clearly mentioned in the movies.
I grew up on the originals. that said i like tor and its setting. Oh and the guy claiming there werent a huge jedi order doesnt even know his first star wars movie. The one thing obiwan tells luke is how vadar killed his father and hunted down the jedi to near extinction
That the jedi order was once a huge order and people who served order and justice. So if u dont know that u arent a star wars fan at all.
having millions of jedi running around in tor isnt a thing that goes against lore it actually back up the huge order and all stuff that was told about in the first movie made.
U think of it like this in a world of billions and billions of known beings from rhodian to trandoshan to barabals and wookies and the list goes on and on u cant have 3 million jedi. Thats lie what 1 pct of the universe's population?
Really it still makes jedi rare even at huge numbers like the players that will play tor.
Well, seems i was correct... Awesome experience to go through. SW:TOR would do much better if it went B2P... which is not necesarily a bad thing. I'd say that the vast majority of the "best games ever made" were in that category so I'm not dissing it by any means. It's just that Bioware has neither the experience nor sensibility for a continuous "world" thing. If they called it KTOR3 and continued with the same financial model they would probably do better since the vast majority of players will f***k off after the first month or two of play.
Going for the wow-style subscription model and we "all love WoW!!" schtick might hurt them in the end but not by much TBH sicnce they already admitted they're not counting on high retention rates.
(And as a person who grew up on SW franchise, the very notion that everybody and his dog gets to wield a lightsaber is totally odious to me, but that is not Bioware's fault but that dreadful permaed moron Lucas's)
TOR is set in time line when Jedis were not a hunted species and were avilable abundantly throught the galaxy. So yes TOR is being very true to the lore and timeline. Do not mix up TOR with SW movies, they are set in very different times.
Yadda yadda yadda.
If I were Lucas and I thought pink fluff bunnie kittens as Jedi's source of powers would help me sell more plastic I'd find a way to write em in "lore". Jeeez we're not talking about the holy Bible or the epic of Gilgamesh here.
I don't care for my SW experience to look like this:
It's just moronic. It makes me sad I ever thought SW was something. It's like this dreadful perma-haird moron is pissing on my childhood and laughing.
It's just disgusting.
If you grew up on the prequels than have my respect... and pity. I close my case and bugger off into my parallel reality.
Didn't i just tell you that TOR is not set in same time line as SW? your gripe is that there are too many jedis well according to SW once Jedis existed in large numbers. So if anything TOR is more true to SW than SWG ever was.
And since we are not talking about Holy Bible than why are you getting so bent out of shape if Lucas decided to make Jedis available in large numbers during TOR era? even though this was mentioned in original SW trilogy itself. So it is a shocj pr surprise that jedis once upona time were not clsoe to extinct. Come on dude you call yourself a true SW fan i don't need to tell you something so basic.
Well because I don't like it. And that's my prerogative. I think it's stupid and shallow. But you think otherwise and that's your prerogative. Enjoy waving your extra glowy neon tube around just like the rest of the 10000+ heroes on your server if that's your thing. It's not mine. And that's that.
Game ended for me after the intro movie. Call me what you will but I just need better graphics. My first was Age of Conan and I guess I just got used to that level. I think the game will do fine but its to cartoony for me. I'll stay with AoC and wait for Tera and GW2. Cancelled my CE and lost the dream. I know they have to make games for everyone but I spend a ton on my rig and I want to use it.
Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing. -Robert E. Howard
Well, seems i was correct... Awesome experience to go through. SW:TOR would do much better if it went B2P... which is not necesarily a bad thing. I'd say that the vast majority of the "best games ever made" were in that category so I'm not dissing it by any means. It's just that Bioware has neither the experience nor sensibility for a continuous "world" thing. If they called it KTOR3 and continued with the same financial model they would probably do better since the vast majority of players will f***k off after the first month or two of play.
Going for the wow-style subscription model and we "all love WoW!!" schtick might hurt them in the end but not by much TBH sicnce they already admitted they're not counting on high retention rates.
(And as a person who grew up on SW franchise, the very notion that everybody and his dog gets to wield a lightsaber is totally odious to me, but that is not Bioware's fault but that dreadful permaed moron Lucas's)
TOR is set in time line when Jedis were not a hunted species and were avilable abundantly throught the galaxy. So yes TOR is being very true to the lore and timeline. Do not mix up TOR with SW movies, they are set in very different times.
Yadda yadda yadda.
If I were Lucas and I thought pink fluff bunnie kittens as Jedi's source of powers would help me sell more plastic I'd find a way to write em in "lore". Jeeez we're not talking about the holy Bible or the epic of Gilgamesh here.
I don't care for my SW experience to look like this:
It's just moronic. It makes me sad I ever thought SW was something. It's like this dreadful perma-haird moron is pissing on my childhood and laughing.
It's just disgusting.
If you grew up on the prequels than have my respect... and pity. I close my case and bugger off into my parallel reality.
Didn't i just tell you that TOR is not set in same time line as SW? your gripe is that there are too many jedis well according to SW once Jedis existed in large numbers. So if anything TOR is more true to SW than SWG ever was.
And since we are not talking about Holy Bible than why are you getting so bent out of shape if Lucas decided to make Jedis available in large numbers during TOR era? even though this was mentioned in original SW trilogy itself. So it is a shocj pr surprise that jedis once upona time were not clsoe to extinct. Come on dude you call yourself a true SW fan i don't need to tell you something so basic.
Well because I don't like it. And that's my prerogative. I think it's stupid and shallow. But you think otherwise and that's your prerogative. Enjoy waving your extra glowy neon tube around just like the rest of the 10000+ heroes on your server if that's your thing. It's not mine. And that's that.
Well sure why not? but i find double standards in saying that having too many jedis is against the lore of SW even when TOR is being true to original SW movies. And then using 'prerogative' as a quick excuse to exit.
Originally posted by DLangley Lets cut out the namecalling and trolling.
But Thaddius was cool ok ill stop
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
Its funny when I was testing the game(post lvl 10 anyway) it felt like it was kotor 3 online which is pretty much what I thought the game would be so I wasnt' disappointed. The problem with the previous kotor games was the fact that you eventually ran out of things to do, with this I hope they add content here and there to keep me playing. If bioware doesn't keep the content coming and I tire of the game I will quit but tbh I saw nothing from my beta experience that made me any less excited about the game.
Full disclosure I was a huge SWG fan, I played swg for years and love sandboxes but lets get real there will never be another swg from any major companies. I loved kotor, I enjoyed my time grouping in swtor and though the pvp was nothing new it was fun enough to leave me wanting to try some more with other classes.
I wonder if many just expected more out of this game than it could ever deliver. Its kotor online and for me thats enough to make me play through the storys of the classes. If I tire of the end game I'll unsub but the game isn't out yet and til I lvl a toon up further than 18 I guess I'll give bioware the benefit of the doubt.
Well sure why not? but i find double standards in saying that having too many jedis is against the lore of SW even when TOR is being true to original SW movies. And then using 'prerogative' as a quick excuse to exit.
You are one confused gentleman.
fact is he doesn't need to explain why he doesn't like something.
Also, not sure where you got that ToR was true to the origional movies, cus that is simply made up.
Edit: while I'm at it, all you guys out there who claim that you've read all the books and you know all the lore etc. You guys do know that George Lucas himself said the book series is not cannon (the series after Return of the Jedi)
Well sure why not? but i find double standards in saying that having too many jedis is against the lore of SW even when TOR is being true to original SW movies. And then using 'prerogative' as a quick excuse to exit.
You are one confused gentleman.
fact is he doesn't need to explain why he doesn't like something.
Also, not sure where you got that ToR was true to the origional movies, cus that is simply made up.
Edit: while I'm at it, all you guys out there who claim that you've read all the books and you know all the lore etc. You guys do know that George Lucas himself said the book series is not cannon (the series after Return of the Jedi)
Bioware simply got creative license approval from Lucas to build upon the lore of the star wars universe which I don't mind.
Well sure why not? but i find double standards in saying that having too many jedis is against the lore of SW even when TOR is being true to original SW movies. And then using 'prerogative' as a quick excuse to exit.
You are one confused gentleman.
fact is he doesn't need to explain why he doesn't like something.
Also, not sure where you got that ToR was true to the origional movies, cus that is simply made up.
Edit: while I'm at it, all you guys out there who claim that you've read all the books and you know all the lore etc. You guys do know that George Lucas himself said the book series is not cannon (the series after Return of the Jedi)
Bioware simply got creative license approval from Lucas to build upon the lore of the star wars universe which I don't mind.
Sure, but its not Cannon.
Its their own version of this IP.
Which they have the rights from Lucas Arts to make, but its still "not cannon"
Well sure why not? but i find double standards in saying that having too many jedis is against the lore of SW even when TOR is being true to original SW movies. And then using 'prerogative' as a quick excuse to exit.
You are one confused gentleman.
fact is he doesn't need to explain why he doesn't like something.
Also, not sure where you got that ToR was true to the origional movies, cus that is simply made up.
Edit: while I'm at it, all you guys out there who claim that you've read all the books and you know all the lore etc. You guys do know that George Lucas himself said the book series is not cannon (the series after Return of the Jedi)
Made up in what sense that Jedis once were not a hunted species and were not a rare sight in galaxy? one doesn't even need to be a geek to know something so basic. I just paid attention while watching SW movies and have avery good long term memory. So yeah TOR is quite true to what was mentioned in original SW about Jedis and that is the only thign i am talking about.
As far as being made up well even original SW is made up.
I remember giggling like a girl during my first battle with my training saber. I loved it. I thought, "This is it... the game I've been waiting for." As a new player, you will be swinging the training saber for several hours. As you find more powerful training sabers, you start to feel even more anticipation for that glowing lightsaber you will eventually have - a major goal, IMO.
I finally obtain my lightsaber. I nearly fall out of my seat when I hear the iconic blade activate and swing. It was fantastic - especially during your first 200-500 fights. However, after the hype died down, I felt like I had no goal to look forward to. The story was nice, but it began to get tiring. I started to feel that I had zero control. I did what I was told to do the entire time. The game felt way too linear.
The negative aura hit me hard when I got to Tattooine. The more I ran around Tattooine, the more I started realize that there is nothing to do other than what you are told.
My review:
Combat & Animations: The combat is extremely crisp. It's probably the best combat I've ever experienced in any MMO. The animations are much more fluid with a hands-on experience.
Story: The story / leveling was extremely entertaining. It was like watching a great movie to be honest. There was, however, an element of individuality that was missing. I never felt like I got to think for myself. It's pretty much the same "collect bear claws" type quests that we've experienced in every other game. The scripted voice work and anticipation of, "what's going to happen next" did make it a bit more exciting, though.
Companions: I've always hated pet classes. However, they did a great job with companions. They performed to the point where you thought an actual player was playing them. They never got caught up on anything, did what you told them to do, and were very powerful when compared to "pets" from other MMOs.
Character Creation: Probably the worst I've seen to be honest. It's much like WoW's creation system, but with options that are so over the top and silly that it REALLY makes any realistic choice more narrow.
Warzones: Certainly the worst I've seen. At the beginning of the round or upon revive, you are in a protective area. This is where players buff up, hop on the flight-path speeders, and then listen to the scripted voice work in the background while they fly you to your little battleground arena. After the first few rounds, I already felt the fatigue from the endless / redundant Battlegrounds from WoW. PvP was exactly as I imagined it: people traveling in groups, throwing snares, and spamming their best attacks in order. It was so predictable - everything about it. I logged off after a few rounds. There was no element of surprise. It felt like an extremely dumbed down version of Counter-Strike - one I would have to pay monthly for.
As I started before, I've been following this game since 2008 (when they announced). I remember Fridays being especially cool, as those were the days for the small reveals. However, most of everything being revealed was about their epic story and iconic functioning. I always thought, "Yes! We know it has fantastic story. But what else do you offer?".
After experiencing SWTOR, I now realize why story was their main point of interest: SWTOR offers very little innovation outside of story. I find it to be a MUCH more linear version of WoW.
I personally can't imagine paying monthly for it past 2 months. This is my honest take on the game.
I have to agree with everything you said. Although I did not pvp so can't comment.
Well, seems i was correct... Awesome experience to go through. SW:TOR would do much better if it went B2P... which is not necesarily a bad thing. I'd say that the vast majority of the "best games ever made" were in that category so I'm not dissing it by any means. It's just that Bioware has neither the experience nor sensibility for a continuous "world" thing. If they called it KTOR3 and continued with the same financial model they would probably do better since the vast majority of players will f***k off after the first month or two of play.
Going for the wow-style subscription model and we "all love WoW!!" schtick might hurt them in the end but not by much TBH sicnce they already admitted they're not counting on high retention rates.
(And as a person who grew up on SW franchise, the very notion that everybody and his dog gets to wield a lightsaber is totally odious to me, but that is not Bioware's fault but that dreadful permaed moron Lucas's)
TOR is set in time line when Jedis were not a hunted species and were avilable abundantly throught the galaxy. So yes TOR is being very true to the lore and timeline. Do not mix up TOR with SW movies, they are set in very different times.
Yadda yadda yadda.
If I were Lucas and I thought pink fluff bunnie kittens as Jedi's source of powers would help me sell more plastic I'd find a way to write em in "lore". Jeeez we're not talking about the holy Bible or the epic of Gilgamesh here.
I don't care for my SW experience to look like this:
It's just moronic. It makes me sad I ever thought SW was something. It's like this dreadful perma-haird moron is pissing on my childhood and laughing.
It's just disgusting.
If you grew up on the prequels than have my respect... and pity. I close my case and bugger off into my parallel reality.
Didn't i just tell you that TOR is not set in same time line as SW? your gripe is that there are too many jedis well according to SW once Jedis existed in large numbers. So if anything TOR is more true to SW than SWG ever was.
And since we are not talking about Holy Bible than why are you getting so bent out of shape if Lucas decided to make Jedis available in large numbers during TOR era? even though this was mentioned in original SW trilogy itself. So it is a shocj pr surprise that jedis once upona time were not clsoe to extinct. Come on dude you call yourself a true SW fan i don't need to tell you something so basic.
Well because I don't like it. And that's my prerogative. I think it's stupid and shallow. But you think otherwise and that's your prerogative. Enjoy waving your extra glowy neon tube around just like the rest of the 10000+ heroes on your server if that's your thing. It's not mine. And that's that.
I'm not going to bother arguing about which number of jedi is "correct". I personally would have found a star wars game with NO playable jedi to be more compelling, but that's not the game or the era we're talking about.
What i'd like to point out (as it's been pointed out to me) is that if you're actually following the lore of SWTOR, you'd realize that the "assumption" you're suppoed to make is that all the other players don't exist. That is how the story treats it. Numerous NPCs will tell you that you're the only jedi they've seen in a long time. So while there certainly is a jedi order, it's much smaller than "millions of jedi". The game's lore assumes that you're the only player-character jedi (or one of 4, since there are 4 unique jedi storylines).
Now, i still find that stupid personally, but it's a pretty common assumption to be asked to make in single-player driven narratives and one that the majority of the population seems to be happy to accept.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
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Well sure why not? but i find double standards in saying that having too many jedis is against the lore of SW even when TOR is being true to original SW movies. And then using 'prerogative' as a quick excuse to exit.
You are one confused gentleman.
fact is he doesn't need to explain why he doesn't like something.
Also, not sure where you got that ToR was true to the origional movies, cus that is simply made up.
Edit: while I'm at it, all you guys out there who claim that you've read all the books and you know all the lore etc. You guys do know that George Lucas himself said the book series is not cannon (the series after Return of the Jedi)
I guess it's a good thing that The OLD Republic takes place thousand of years before Return Of The Jedi then, huh?
Well, seems i was correct... Awesome experience to go through. SW:TOR would do much better if it went B2P... which is not necesarily a bad thing. I'd say that the vast majority of the "best games ever made" were in that category so I'm not dissing it by any means. It's just that Bioware has neither the experience nor sensibility for a continuous "world" thing. If they called it KTOR3 and continued with the same financial model they would probably do better since the vast majority of players will f***k off after the first month or two of play.
Going for the wow-style subscription model and we "all love WoW!!" schtick might hurt them in the end but not by much TBH sicnce they already admitted they're not counting on high retention rates.
(And as a person who grew up on SW franchise, the very notion that everybody and his dog gets to wield a lightsaber is totally odious to me, but that is not Bioware's fault but that dreadful permaed moron Lucas's)
TOR is set in time line when Jedis were not a hunted species and were avilable abundantly throught the galaxy. So yes TOR is being very true to the lore and timeline. Do not mix up TOR with SW movies, they are set in very different times.
Yadda yadda yadda.
If I were Lucas and I thought pink fluff bunnie kittens as Jedi's source of powers would help me sell more plastic I'd find a way to write em in "lore". Jeeez we're not talking about the holy Bible or the epic of Gilgamesh here.
I don't care for my SW experience to look like this:
It's just moronic. It makes me sad I ever thought SW was something. It's like this dreadful perma-haird moron is pissing on my childhood and laughing.
It's just disgusting.
If you grew up on the prequels than have my respect... and pity. I close my case and bugger off into my parallel reality.
Didn't i just tell you that TOR is not set in same time line as SW? your gripe is that there are too many jedis well according to SW once Jedis existed in large numbers. So if anything TOR is more true to SW than SWG ever was.
And since we are not talking about Holy Bible than why are you getting so bent out of shape if Lucas decided to make Jedis available in large numbers during TOR era? even though this was mentioned in original SW trilogy itself. So it is a shocj pr surprise that jedis once upona time were not clsoe to extinct. Come on dude you call yourself a true SW fan i don't need to tell you something so basic.
Well because I don't like it. And that's my prerogative. I think it's stupid and shallow. But you think otherwise and that's your prerogative. Enjoy waving your extra glowy neon tube around just like the rest of the 10000+ heroes on your server if that's your thing. It's not mine. And that's that.
I'm not going to bother arguing about which number of jedi is "correct". I personally would have found a star wars game with NO playable jedi to be more compelling, but that's not the game or the era we're talking about.
What i'd like to point out (as it's been pointed out to me) is that if you're actually following the lore of SWTOR, you'd realize that the "assumption" you're suppoed to make is that all the other players don't exist. That is how the story treats it. Numerous NPCs will tell you that you're the only jedi they've seen in a long time. So while there certainly is a jedi order, it's much smaller than "millions of jedi". The game's lore assumes that you're the only player-character jedi (or one of 4, since there are 4 unique jedi storylines).
Now, i still find that stupid personally, but it's a pretty common assumption to be asked to make in single-player driven narratives and one that the majority of the population seems to be happy to accept.
The Jedi are in Exile on Tython. There's still a ton of them, they are just kinda laying low.
Well sure why not? but i find double standards in saying that having too many jedis is against the lore of SW even when TOR is being true to original SW movies. And then using 'prerogative' as a quick excuse to exit.
You are one confused gentleman.
fact is he doesn't need to explain why he doesn't like something.
Also, not sure where you got that ToR was true to the origional movies, cus that is simply made up.
Edit: while I'm at it, all you guys out there who claim that you've read all the books and you know all the lore etc. You guys do know that George Lucas himself said the book series is not cannon (the series after Return of the Jedi)
I guess it's a good thing that The OLD Republic takes place thousand of years before Return Of The Jedi then, huh?
Well I'd say something but Im getting hit by the banhammer for my past 4 to 5 replies (which you cannot see) so I'd just advise you to have a ball with your witty, unparrieable retorts for as long as you can.
mpelling, but that's not the game or the era we're talking about.
What i'd like to point out (as it's been pointed out to me) is that if you're actually following the lore of SWTOR, you'd realize that the "assumption" you're suppoed to make is that all the other players don't exist. That is how the story treats it. Numerous NPCs will tell you that you're the only jedi they've seen in a long time. So while there certainly is a jedi order, it's much smaller than "millions of jedi". The game's lore assumes that you're the only player-character jedi (or one of 4, since there are 4 unique jedi storylines).
Now, i still find that stupid personally, but it's a pretty common assumption to be asked to make in single-player driven narratives and one that the majority of the population seems to be happy to accept.
Go ahead and point out to me another mmorpg where this wouldn't be the case. I seem to remember thousands of would-be heroes helping out the Fellowship on the same exact missions in Lotro a thousand of times over.
If you have a quest-based mmorpg, this will ALWAYS be the case. And it's going to be the case in every single themepark MMO created. It's kind of what happens when you have thousands of players running around. Most people are intelligent enough to understand that and intelligent enough to suspend belief for a few hours every night when playing.
If you want true realism where you and you alone are the hero, play Skyrim or some other single player rpg. I've seen this argument bandied about by so-called rpers that complain of issues with immersion, and I think it's an utterly absurd argument to make about an MMO. Actually, it's less an argument than it is a justification to not like a very solid game that you are already pre-disposed to disliking due to a myriad of reasons.
Which they have the rights from Lucas Arts to make, but its still "not cannon"
From what I understood, the Old Republic works are EU (Expanded Universe) canon.
Originally posted by ukforze
Everything seems to be instanced, its like a cut down themepark,like STO...
Which is worse than a themepark itself ...if thats possible!?
Again another mmo since SWG i cant see lasting past the first free month sub
Nope, it isn't as instanced as STO, a ridiculous comparison, and nope, it won't be the case that the game won't last past the first month's sub. Sigh, get over SWG please, if that's really the only MMORPG you love I have to wonder why you're still hanging around an MMORPG forum
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I think it's an utterly absurd argument to make about an MMO.
Not as absurd as making a game which you know will have 1000-5000 (approx) players per world who are interacting with each other but writing the story as though there is only 1 player. THAT is absurd. Yet - as you aptly pointed out - it's common practice.
So just because something is absurd, doesn't make it untrue or right.
But anyhow, i wasn't arguing with TOR having this setup (the time for that argument is mostly past), i was merely pointing it out to the poster that is distressed by there being a million jedi, which he thinks is against canon. Your argument (that the other players don't exist) actually makes much easier for him to accept this world and the fact that it is actually canon.
Having millions of jedi = possibly against canon (even old republic canon). Having "many (NPC) jedi", including one special Consular (PC) and one special Knight (PC) = plausible in canon.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
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Well sure why not? but i find double standards in saying that having too many jedis is against the lore of SW even when TOR is being true to original SW movies. And then using 'prerogative' as a quick excuse to exit.
You are one confused gentleman.
fact is he doesn't need to explain why he doesn't like something.
Also, not sure where you got that ToR was true to the origional movies, cus that is simply made up.
Edit: while I'm at it, all you guys out there who claim that you've read all the books and you know all the lore etc. You guys do know that George Lucas himself said the book series is not cannon (the series after Return of the Jedi)
It's not as black and white "canon" and "not canon" as you make it sound.
Star Wars EU has always been considered canon in a way, but not everything is and there is a whole lot of stuff out there.
Lucas (the company) works very closely with most people that write for EU stuff to ensure that it fits very closely with the Star Wars universe and is an accurate description that follows SW continuity.
I can't find a quote of Lucas himself saying the stuff is not canon (he probably did at some point) but this is the companies official statement from the Liscensing Department about what canon consists of (in case you don't click through to my link)
"We have what we call Canon, which is the screenplays, novelizations, and other works that are directly tied into continuity, and then there are a lot of marginal things, like the old Marvel Comics series, that we don't really try to work into the continuity when we're planning new projects. Even the LucasArts interactive games have a premise, a backstory with player characters that we're trying to tie into the overall continuity. It is sort of a godlike undertaking. We are creating this universe as we go along, but somebody has to keep his finger on everything that came before."
— Lucasfilm's then-continuity editor[1] Allan Kausch, in The Secrets of Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire[
In fact, the entire reason that they started attempting to tie all this stuff together and make it "canon" was so they could start doing licensing to third parties and make a boatload of money. We all know how much they love to license the SW IP, but part of their licensing department is responsible for enforcing continuity.
Weird. Kinda makes it look like you're not really telling the whole truth. I'm sure that's just an oversight that you'll promptly correct and apologize for. THANKS!
What I dont get is why people are so amazed that there is nothing really innovative after being told for 6 months by the game makers that there is nothing really innovative...they act like its a shocking revelation that was hidden from everyone! If it isn't broken, don't fix it. If you want new and different, go play Spreadsheet errr EVE Online or Darkfall. And no, GW2 isn't innovative, and I have seen nothing in the videos or previews to say otherwise. Looks to be the same as the original with forced public quests and a prettier wrapper.
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Didn't i just tell you that TOR is not set in same time line as SW? your gripe is that there are too many jedis well according to SW once Jedis existed in large numbers. So if anything TOR is more true to SW than SWG ever was.
And since we are not talking about Holy Bible than why are you getting so bent out of shape if Lucas decided to make Jedis available in large numbers during TOR era? even though this was mentioned in original SW trilogy itself. So it is not a surprise that jedis once upon a time were not close to exctintion. Come on dude you call yourself a true SW fan i don't need to tell you something so basic. You should really watch SW again because it was very clearly mentioned in the movies.
I grew up on the originals. that said i like tor and its setting. Oh and the guy claiming there werent a huge jedi order doesnt even know his first star wars movie. The one thing obiwan tells luke is how vadar killed his father and hunted down the jedi to near extinction
That the jedi order was once a huge order and people who served order and justice. So if u dont know that u arent a star wars fan at all.
having millions of jedi running around in tor isnt a thing that goes against lore it actually back up the huge order and all stuff that was told about in the first movie made.
U think of it like this in a world of billions and billions of known beings from rhodian to trandoshan to barabals and wookies and the list goes on and on u cant have 3 million jedi. Thats lie what 1 pct of the universe's population?
Really it still makes jedi rare even at huge numbers like the players that will play tor.
Well because I don't like it. And that's my prerogative. I think it's stupid and shallow. But you think otherwise and that's your prerogative. Enjoy waving your extra glowy neon tube around just like the rest of the 10000+ heroes on your server if that's your thing. It's not mine. And that's that.
Game ended for me after the intro movie. Call me what you will but I just need better graphics. My first was Age of Conan and I guess I just got used to that level. I think the game will do fine but its to cartoony for me. I'll stay with AoC and wait for Tera and GW2. Cancelled my CE and lost the dream. I know they have to make games for everyone but I spend a ton on my rig and I want to use it.
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Well sure why not? but i find double standards in saying that having too many jedis is against the lore of SW even when TOR is being true to original SW movies. And then using 'prerogative' as a quick excuse to exit.
You are one confused gentleman.
Lets cut out the namecalling and trolling.
ok ill stop
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
Its funny when I was testing the game(post lvl 10 anyway) it felt like it was kotor 3 online which is pretty much what I thought the game would be so I wasnt' disappointed. The problem with the previous kotor games was the fact that you eventually ran out of things to do, with this I hope they add content here and there to keep me playing. If bioware doesn't keep the content coming and I tire of the game I will quit but tbh I saw nothing from my beta experience that made me any less excited about the game.
Full disclosure I was a huge SWG fan, I played swg for years and love sandboxes but lets get real there will never be another swg from any major companies. I loved kotor, I enjoyed my time grouping in swtor and though the pvp was nothing new it was fun enough to leave me wanting to try some more with other classes.
I wonder if many just expected more out of this game than it could ever deliver. Its kotor online and for me thats enough to make me play through the storys of the classes. If I tire of the end game I'll unsub but the game isn't out yet and til I lvl a toon up further than 18 I guess I'll give bioware the benefit of the doubt.
what? for "geekishness?" that's pretty awful I must say.
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fact is he doesn't need to explain why he doesn't like something.
Also, not sure where you got that ToR was true to the origional movies, cus that is simply made up.
Edit: while I'm at it, all you guys out there who claim that you've read all the books and you know all the lore etc. You guys do know that George Lucas himself said the book series is not cannon (the series after Return of the Jedi)
Bioware simply got creative license approval from Lucas to build upon the lore of the star wars universe which I don't mind.
Sure, but its not Cannon.
Its their own version of this IP.
Which they have the rights from Lucas Arts to make, but its still "not cannon"
Made up in what sense that Jedis once were not a hunted species and were not a rare sight in galaxy? one doesn't even need to be a geek to know something so basic. I just paid attention while watching SW movies and have avery good long term memory. So yeah TOR is quite true to what was mentioned in original SW about Jedis and that is the only thign i am talking about.
As far as being made up well even original SW is made up.
I have to agree with everything you said. Although I did not pvp so can't comment.
I'm not going to bother arguing about which number of jedi is "correct". I personally would have found a star wars game with NO playable jedi to be more compelling, but that's not the game or the era we're talking about.
What i'd like to point out (as it's been pointed out to me) is that if you're actually following the lore of SWTOR, you'd realize that the "assumption" you're suppoed to make is that all the other players don't exist. That is how the story treats it. Numerous NPCs will tell you that you're the only jedi they've seen in a long time. So while there certainly is a jedi order, it's much smaller than "millions of jedi". The game's lore assumes that you're the only player-character jedi (or one of 4, since there are 4 unique jedi storylines).
Now, i still find that stupid personally, but it's a pretty common assumption to be asked to make in single-player driven narratives and one that the majority of the population seems to be happy to accept.
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I guess it's a good thing that The OLD Republic takes place thousand of years before Return Of The Jedi then, huh?
The Jedi are in Exile on Tython. There's still a ton of them, they are just kinda laying low.
Well I'd say something but Im getting hit by the banhammer for my past 4 to 5 replies (which you cannot see) so I'd just advise you to have a ball with your witty, unparrieable retorts for as long as you can.
I never got my hopes up to start with but after almost 7yrs & a record amount ever spent on an
mmo & there isn't a single piece of noteable "innovation" its just another themepark with
cinematics, these cinematics basically sum up "go get 10 bear claws" ...yippee!
Instead of skipping a wall of text i can now press 'esc' & skip some cinematic version of the
same crap i dont want to hear, this is a single player style element (& i dont like single player)
hence why i PAY to play with others online.
The probelm with the cinematics is that some people want to watch them & others dont,
causes issues in groups.
Everything seems to be instanced, its like a cut down themepark,like STO...
Which is worse than a themepark itself ...if thats possible!?
Again another mmo since SWG i cant see lasting past the first free month sub
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Go ahead and point out to me another mmorpg where this wouldn't be the case. I seem to remember thousands of would-be heroes helping out the Fellowship on the same exact missions in Lotro a thousand of times over.
If you have a quest-based mmorpg, this will ALWAYS be the case. And it's going to be the case in every single themepark MMO created. It's kind of what happens when you have thousands of players running around. Most people are intelligent enough to understand that and intelligent enough to suspend belief for a few hours every night when playing.
If you want true realism where you and you alone are the hero, play Skyrim or some other single player rpg. I've seen this argument bandied about by so-called rpers that complain of issues with immersion, and I think it's an utterly absurd argument to make about an MMO. Actually, it's less an argument than it is a justification to not like a very solid game that you are already pre-disposed to disliking due to a myriad of reasons.
From what I understood, the Old Republic works are EU (Expanded Universe) canon.
Nope, it isn't as instanced as STO, a ridiculous comparison, and nope, it won't be the case that the game won't last past the first month's sub. Sigh, get over SWG please, if that's really the only MMORPG you love I have to wonder why you're still hanging around an MMORPG forum
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Not as absurd as making a game which you know will have 1000-5000 (approx) players per world who are interacting with each other but writing the story as though there is only 1 player. THAT is absurd. Yet - as you aptly pointed out - it's common practice.
So just because something is absurd, doesn't make it untrue or right.
But anyhow, i wasn't arguing with TOR having this setup (the time for that argument is mostly past), i was merely pointing it out to the poster that is distressed by there being a million jedi, which he thinks is against canon. Your argument (that the other players don't exist) actually makes much easier for him to accept this world and the fact that it is actually canon.
Having millions of jedi = possibly against canon (even old republic canon). Having "many (NPC) jedi", including one special Consular (PC) and one special Knight (PC) = plausible in canon.
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Obviously OP is a noob.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon
It's not as black and white "canon" and "not canon" as you make it sound.
Star Wars EU has always been considered canon in a way, but not everything is and there is a whole lot of stuff out there.
Lucas (the company) works very closely with most people that write for EU stuff to ensure that it fits very closely with the Star Wars universe and is an accurate description that follows SW continuity.
I can't find a quote of Lucas himself saying the stuff is not canon (he probably did at some point) but this is the companies official statement from the Liscensing Department about what canon consists of (in case you don't click through to my link)
"We have what we call Canon, which is the screenplays, novelizations, and other works that are directly tied into continuity, and then there are a lot of marginal things, like the old Marvel Comics series, that we don't really try to work into the continuity when we're planning new projects. Even the LucasArts interactive games have a premise, a backstory with player characters that we're trying to tie into the overall continuity. It is sort of a godlike undertaking. We are creating this universe as we go along, but somebody has to keep his finger on everything that came before."
— Lucasfilm's then-continuity editor[1] Allan Kausch, in The Secrets of Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire[
In fact, the entire reason that they started attempting to tie all this stuff together and make it "canon" was so they could start doing licensing to third parties and make a boatload of money. We all know how much they love to license the SW IP, but part of their licensing department is responsible for enforcing continuity.
Weird. Kinda makes it look like you're not really telling the whole truth. I'm sure that's just an oversight that you'll promptly correct and apologize for. THANKS!
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What I dont get is why people are so amazed that there is nothing really innovative after being told for 6 months by the game makers that there is nothing really innovative...they act like its a shocking revelation that was hidden from everyone! If it isn't broken, don't fix it. If you want new and different, go play Spreadsheet errr EVE Online or Darkfall. And no, GW2 isn't innovative, and I have seen nothing in the videos or previews to say otherwise. Looks to be the same as the original with forced public quests and a prettier wrapper.