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  • MurahMurah Member UncommonPosts: 41

    @Soki123 ; your comment, "It has a great end game"  

    You're the first person I've see make any mention of the end game, let alone say it's great.  I was only in a couple of beta weekends.  Will you please say why it's great, and what the end game involves?  Right now, my guildies and I are approaching this game as an awesome single-player with crappy pvp.  When I think of an mmo with a great end game, I'm thinking pvp.  Is that what you're referring to? 

    I had a lot of fun playing, but it was because I wasn't expecting much along the lines of pvp, and I knew the voice-over stuff was going to make it feel very single-player style.  I enjoyed the polish of the game, the star wars theme, the companion, the questing.  And the pvp was a bit meh, as expected.   It would be nice if max level at Ilum will be grand, but again, I'm keeping my expectations low. 

  • Soki123Soki123 Member RarePosts: 2,558

    Pvp is a blast at end game. Really good. Pve stays fresh and alive at end game as well. Of course if they take forever to bring out content, then it will not be, but we all know they re going to add alot of that.

  • pharazonicpharazonic Member Posts: 860

    Originally posted by Soki123

    Pvp is a blast at end game. Really good. Pve stays fresh and alive at end game as well. Of course if they take forever to bring out content, then it will not be, but we all know they re going to add alot of that.

    Do we really?

    This is BW's first MMO after all; we have no idea how they will be at maintaining/updating their game. 

     

    Given that their previous single player games are still riddled with bugs, I am not putting as much faith in them as you are.  

    "Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."

    I need to take this advice more.

  • kostoslavkostoslav Member UncommonPosts: 455

    If a game doesn't have anything new, it must be bad?

  • onthestickonthestick Member Posts: 600

    Originally posted by Falin

    {mod edit}

    I don't care if people waste their money or not, but i just wanted them to have an honest idea of what they were getting themselves into. ah well enjoy yourselves, this is the exact reason I never posted before and was warned multiple times by friends not to post here. have fun folks, you won, enjoy the collective voice.

    I am pretty sure people here are capable of deciding for themsleves and many already did thanks for beta weekends.

    How many servers SWTOR will launch with on release?

    ShredderSE - Umm how many do they need? Maybe 6.
    US, EU, Asian, France, German and Russian.
    Subs will be so low there is no need for more
    Snoocky-How many servers?
    The first 3 months a lot...after that 2 i guess, one for PVE and 1 for PVP...

    Thorbrand - SWTOR doesn't have longevity at all. Might be one of the shortest lived MMOs.

  • MurahMurah Member UncommonPosts: 41

    oh I disagree.  Give me a game with a great pvp system, I don't care much how often new pve content comes out.  Thanks for the answer Soki123

  • Soki123Soki123 Member RarePosts: 2,558

    Originally posted by pharazonic

    Originally posted by Soki123

    Pvp is a blast at end game. Really good. Pve stays fresh and alive at end game as well. Of course if they take forever to bring out content, then it will not be, but we all know they re going to add alot of that.

    Do we really?

    This is BW's first MMO after all; we have no idea how they will be at maintaining/updating their game. 

     

    Given that their previous single player games are still riddled with bugs, I am not putting as much faith in them as you are.  

    I ll try and find the article, but they have a ton of the voice actors under contract for a long time. I m sure that means more content, unless they just pay them for doing nothing.

    found it

    http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=562625 

  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321

    Originally posted by Fed1

    Originally posted by Jackdog


    Originally posted by Fed1


    Originally posted by Jackdog


    Originally posted by Cthulhu23


    Originally posted by Jackdog

    Oh it will be a huge success, just expect a large amount of player churn. As long as you look at it a single player game with some MMO options you won't be dissapointed.

    Or, even better, you can look at it for what it is:  An actual, very solid MMO.

     

     

    really ? . You could play this game to 50 and never talk to another soul and you character will not suffer.

    REALLY? LOL

    OK in the world according to Jack based on your criteria

    WoW not a MMO

    SWG Not a MMO

    Vanguard Not a MMO

    CoH Not a MMO

    STO not a MMO

    Rift Not a MMO

    list goes on and on

    ....

    I have been here since my SWG days. MMORPG never disapoints for the Drama and Ludicrous posts like this one. Its really gives me chuckles. Thanks

     

     

     

     

     

    Assuming you don't mind seeing 37 other guys at the marketplace wearing the exact same armor that is the exact same color of yours 

     

     

     

    Because you asked :-)

    http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=717041

     

    So, I can take my level 7 LS and level 12 robes and and wear them at level 50 - in addition to all of the other orange items from 1-50

     

     

     

     

    wel if you want want to wear a lvl 12 robe at 50 feel free, but I doubt if you will because it will not have as many modification  slots as the 40's gear. Mods only affect the stats of the gear, nothing visual. The higher level the gear the more slots it will have that you can drop mods into.  The mods themselves are  color coded  in the same way, purples are to dye for while greens are a dime a dozen. Even the crafting recipes are color coded and I love the game crafting system.

    What the Dev in that post is referring to is the class of the gear, green being the lowest, then blue, then purple, and now orange. Green Blue Purple and orange is just the color of the name of the gear, not the gear itself. The mod system is a good system and one of the things I really like about the game but what I was referring to is the ability to change my armor's appearance from white with black trim to all black just as a example.

    The gane has some realy good points, it is certainly not a Vanguard or a AoC. I just don't see it as a long term game as of now, maybe after a year but not as it stands.

    Edit BTW a male Commando wearing pink armor..I can just see it now LOL

     

     

    I miss DAoC

  • raistlinmraistlinm Member Posts: 673

    I can't think of a single mmorpg that has more than a handful of differend looks for each class so kind of lost on what it is you are harping about in regards to TOR.

    Now to be honest it's never made a bit of difference to me what other people look like because I'm usually too busy enjoying myself to worry about something so silly but I'd sure like to know of what games have these limitless choices.

  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321

    Originally posted by raistlinm

    I can't think of a single mmorpg that has more than a handful of differend looks for each class so kind of lost on what it is you are harping about in regards to TOR.

    Now to be honest it's never made a bit of difference to me what other people look like because I'm usually too busy enjoying myself to worry about something so silly but I'd sure like to know of what games have these limitless choices.

     

    Download LoTRO, stand in the center of Bree on a Saturday evening and you will bnever see two characters wearing the same outfits. There are probably even 15 or 20 different horse styles.

     

    Wait till you play and you are standing in a market and you see 12 otehr gunslingers as you all wearing the same armor and all with the same named companion. That may not botehr you but to me it is just annoying.

    I miss DAoC

  • TeiloTeilo Member Posts: 284

    Originally posted by Jackdog

    Originally posted by Fed1


    Originally posted by Jackdog


    Originally posted by Fed1


    Originally posted by Jackdog


    Originally posted by Cthulhu23


    Originally posted by Jackdog

    Oh it will be a huge success, just expect a large amount of player churn. As long as you look at it a single player game with some MMO options you won't be dissapointed.

    Or, even better, you can look at it for what it is:  An actual, very solid MMO.

     

     

    really ? . You could play this game to 50 and never talk to another soul and you character will not suffer.

    REALLY? LOL

    OK in the world according to Jack based on your criteria

    WoW not a MMO

    SWG Not a MMO

    Vanguard Not a MMO

    CoH Not a MMO

    STO not a MMO

    Rift Not a MMO

    list goes on and on

    ....

    I have been here since my SWG days. MMORPG never disapoints for the Drama and Ludicrous posts like this one. Its really gives me chuckles. Thanks

     

     

     

     

     

    Assuming you don't mind seeing 37 other guys at the marketplace wearing the exact same armor that is the exact same color of yours 

     

     

     

    Because you asked :-)

    http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=717041

     

    So, I can take my level 7 LS and level 12 robes and and wear them at level 50 - in addition to all of the other orange items from 1-50

     

     

     

     

    wel if you want want to wear a lvl 12 robe at 50 feel free, but I doubt if you will because it will not have as many modification  slots as the 40's gear. Mods only affect the stats of the gear, nothing visual. The higher level the gear the more slots it will have that you can drop mods into.  The mods themselves are  color coded  in the same way, purples are to dye for while greens are a dime a dozen. Even the crafting recipes are color coded and I love the game crafting system.

    What the Dev in that post is referring to is the class of the gear, green being the lowest, then blue, then purple, and now orange. Green Blue Purple and orange is just the color of the name of the gear, not the gear itself. The mod system is a good system and one of the things I really like about the game but what I was referring to is the ability to change my armor's appearance from white with black trim to all black just as a example.

    The gane has some realy good points, it is certainly not a Vanguard or a AoC. I just don't see it as a long term game as of now, maybe after a year but not as it stands.

    Edit BTW a male Commando wearing pink armor..I can just see it now LOL

     

     

    Aren't you describing what he's saying was the old system?

    " in the old system, you could not take any piece of gear, fit it with the best mods and keep it all the way to the end levels: a lot of the green gear did not have all the slots, the mods that could be obtained were for the most part... not good, and you could not extract better one from existing gear. "

  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321

    Originally posted by Teilo

    Originally posted by Jackdog


    Originally posted by Fed1


    Originally posted by Jackdog


    Originally posted by Fed1


    Originally posted by Jackdog


    Originally posted by Cthulhu23


    Originally posted by Jackdog

    Oh it will be a huge success, just expect a large amount of player churn. As long as you look at it a single player game with some MMO options you won't be dissapointed.

    Or, even better, you can look at it for what it is:  An actual, very solid MMO.

     

     

    really ? . You could play this game to 50 and never talk to another soul and you character will not suffer.

    REALLY? LOL

    OK in the world according to Jack based on your criteria

    WoW not a MMO

    SWG Not a MMO

    Vanguard Not a MMO

    CoH Not a MMO

    STO not a MMO

    Rift Not a MMO

    list goes on and on

    ....

    I have been here since my SWG days. MMORPG never disapoints for the Drama and Ludicrous posts like this one. Its really gives me chuckles. Thanks

     

     

     

     

     

    Assuming you don't mind seeing 37 other guys at the marketplace wearing the exact same armor that is the exact same color of yours 

     

     

     

    Because you asked :-)

    http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=717041

     

    So, I can take my level 7 LS and level 12 robes and and wear them at level 50 - in addition to all of the other orange items from 1-50

     

     

     

     

    wel if you want want to wear a lvl 12 robe at 50 feel free, but I doubt if you will because it will not have as many modification  slots as the 40's gear. Mods only affect the stats of the gear, nothing visual. The higher level the gear the more slots it will have that you can drop mods into.  The mods themselves are  color coded  in the same way, purples are to dye for while greens are a dime a dozen. Even the crafting recipes are color coded and I love the game crafting system.

    What the Dev in that post is referring to is the class of the gear, green being the lowest, then blue, then purple, and now orange. Green Blue Purple and orange is just the color of the name of the gear, not the gear itself. The mod system is a good system and one of the things I really like about the game but what I was referring to is the ability to change my armor's appearance from white with black trim to all black just as a example.

    The gane has some realy good points, it is certainly not a Vanguard or a AoC. I just don't see it as a long term game as of now, maybe after a year but not as it stands.

    Edit BTW a male Commando wearing pink armor..I can just see it now LOL

     

     

    Aren't you describing what he's saying was the old system?

    " in the old system, you could not take any piece of gear, fit it with the best mods and keep it all the way to the end levels: a lot of the green gear did not have all the slots, the mods that could be obtained were for the most part... not good, and you could not extract better one from existing gear. "

    I am talking about the last build, otherwise wht would anyone bother trying to craft anything above the beginer recipes. You want to wear lvl 10 gear to 50 ten feel free but have your rez robot handy. And yes one of the changes they made was you can now pull your mods out for a small fee, but trust me you will outlevel them as wel as outlevel the base mods of the gear

    Anyway ebnough of the red herring, all the armor looks the same was  the original point

    I miss DAoC

  • Angier2758Angier2758 Member UncommonPosts: 1,026

    Originally posted by XImpalerX

    Originally posted by onthestick

    Originally posted by XImpalerX

    Compare to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX8GJcGIVbI

    THe star wars video looks like a bunch of nerds swinging around sparklers fighting a plastic dragon.

    Nerds swinging swords, nerds swinging sparklers..anyone feels the irony? when insults is all that is left to make a point you know one has run out of arguments.

    Not trying to make an argument, just posting my initial feeling of what I am watching on the screen.

    I dont get a sense of epicness when watching the Star Wars video. My breath is taken away when I watch the GW2 one though.

    Does your leg tremor too?

  • raistlinmraistlinm Member Posts: 673

    Originally posted by Jackdog

    Originally posted by raistlinm

    I can't think of a single mmorpg that has more than a handful of differend looks for each class so kind of lost on what it is you are harping about in regards to TOR.

    Now to be honest it's never made a bit of difference to me what other people look like because I'm usually too busy enjoying myself to worry about something so silly but I'd sure like to know of what games have these limitless choices.

     

    Download LoTRO, stand in the center of Bree on a Saturday evening and you will bnever see two characters wearing the same outfits. There are probably even 15 or 20 different horse styles.

     

    Wait till you play and you are standing in a market and you see 12 otehr gunslingers as you all wearing the same armor and all with the same named companion. That may not botehr you but to me it is just annoying.

    Don't need to download LOTRO I play it most weekends and having a few different max level toons (champion,RK,Minstrel,Captain) I can say that the armor models are not all that different looking.  Atleast not enough that I would disparage what I've seen from TOR.

    Now let's also not forget that using your example I would be encountering people of every level from start to max as well as people who are using the appearance tab (which was one reason I disagreed with TOR not using a traditional appearance tab).

    But I haven't seen all that much variety in LOTRO that I could say TOR is doing somethin wrong at this point.

  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321

    Originally posted by raistlinm

    Originally posted by Jackdog


    Originally posted by raistlinm

    I can't think of a single mmorpg that has more than a handful of differend looks for each class so kind of lost on what it is you are harping about in regards to TOR.

    Now to be honest it's never made a bit of difference to me what other people look like because I'm usually too busy enjoying myself to worry about something so silly but I'd sure like to know of what games have these limitless choices.

     

    Download LoTRO, stand in the center of Bree on a Saturday evening and you will bnever see two characters wearing the same outfits. There are probably even 15 or 20 different horse styles.

     

    Wait till you play and you are standing in a market and you see 12 otehr gunslingers as you all wearing the same armor and all with the same named companion. That may not botehr you but to me it is just annoying.

    Don't need to download LOTRO I play it most weekends and having a few different max level toons (champion,RK,Minstrel,Captain) I can say that the armor models are not all that different looking.  Atleast not enough that I would disparage what I've seen from TOR.

    Now let's also not forget that using your example I would be encountering people of every level from start to max as well as people who are using the appearance tab (which was one reason I disagreed with TOR not using a traditional appearance tab).

    But I haven't seen all that much variety in LOTRO that I could say TOR is doing somethin wrong at this point.

    really and how many dye colors are in LoTRO right now? How many cosmetic outfits can you wear that will affect only your appearance and not your armor stats. Compare that to SWTOR. How many different looking horses are there? Compare that to the variety of speeders in SWTOR

    Like I said SWTOR has some great points, but character customization is not one of them

    I miss DAoC

  • SilaxSilax Member Posts: 250
    Wow. Griping about outfits. The game hasn't even been released yet. I'm sure this time next year there will be more flamboyant and pointless outfits than you can shake a stick at especially when they have already stated that an appearance tab was coming. Of all the things to gripe about, this has to be the lowest of importance to me.
  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321

    Originally posted by Silax

    Wow. Griping about outfits. The game hasn't even been released yet. I'm sure this time next year there will be more flamboyant and pointless outfits than you can shake a stick at especially when they have already stated that an appearance tab was coming. Of all the things to gripe about, this has to be the lowest of importance to me.

    did you ever stop and think that maybe whatever it is that you find important in a MMO might be of the lowest importance to me? Anyway reading comprehension for the win, it is not just the outfits the gripe was about the overall lack of character customization for  MMO releasing in this day and age. Bioware lack of experiance in MMOs really shows. Most of the people I play with want their characters to be unique as possible, if that is of no importance to you then thats your problem not mine. subscripton.

    It is a good solid basic game, with fun gameplay  but in a lot of ways it reminds me of MMO's of ten years ago. I just don't see the point in buying it right now after betaing it for the last year. It is not just one thing that caused me to cancel my pre order, it is a combinatiojn of severl things. Maybe in a year when they have added and improved some things I will reconsider. I don't think they are going to miss me since I am estimating release to be at 1 million plus, maybe even two.

    I miss DAoC

  • GibboniciGibbonici Member UncommonPosts: 472

    Originally posted by Jackdog

    It is not bad, but it si certainly not what I would call a great step forward in multiplayer gaming either.

     

    Neither would I but I don't see that as a bad thing. In fact I'm not sure if very many TOR fans see it as a great step forward or a revolution in MMOs, so much as those views being put on them by people who don't like TOR for what it is.

     

    Over and over again I see so-called fanboys saying "I like it for what it is" while people tell them they're wrong for not disliking it for what it isn't.

     

     

  • Fed1Fed1 Member Posts: 167

    Originally posted by Jackdog

    Originally posted by Fed1

     

    Because you asked :-)

    http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=717041

     

    So, I can take my level 7 LS and level 12 robes and and wear them at level 50 - in addition to all of the other orange items from 1-50

     

     

     

     

    wel if you want want to wear a lvl 12 robe at 50 feel free, but I doubt if you will because it will not have as many modification  slots as the 40's gear. Mods only affect the stats of the gear, nothing visual. The higher level the gear the more slots it will have that you can drop mods into.  The mods themselves are  color coded  in the same way, purples are to dye for while greens are a dime a dozen. Even the crafting recipes are color coded and I love the game crafting system.

    What the Dev in that post is referring to is the class of the gear, green being the lowest, then blue, then purple, and now orange. Green Blue Purple and orange is just the color of the name of the gear, not the gear itself. The mod system is a good system and one of the things I really like about the game but what I was referring to is the ability to change my armor's appearance from white with black trim to all black just as a example.

    The gane has some realy good points, it is certainly not a Vanguard or a AoC. I just don't see it as a long term game as of now, maybe after a year but not as it stands.

    Edit BTW a male Commando wearing pink armor..I can just see it now LOL

     

     

     

    Try reading the link a little slower :-) - All Orange gear is FULLY modable and has the SAME number of slots (4) - it is outside of the normal MMO color code scheme for power. IE orange is not between say blue and purple.

     

    "So, yes, if you see a green armor you really like, you still can have that appearance until end level.  It does take a bit of work - you either need to become a crafter yourself, befriend one or trawl the GTN. "

     

     

     

     

  • sirphobossirphobos Member UncommonPosts: 620

    The most important question is - who cares how "innovative" a game is if it's fun?

  • MattVidMattVid Member Posts: 399

    Originally posted by sirphobos

    The most important question is - who cares how "innovative" a game is if it's fun?

    I think the problem is, it isn't either.

    The most fun I had with the beta was uninstalling it. It is obvious that there is something wrong when 90% of all the MMO buddies you have played with over the past 15 years say "they are not buying it or are cancelling their pre-order". Again, many of my friends don't find WoW that enjoyable (for an extended period of time), yet it has a ridiculous amount of subs.

    I guess, I don't feel this is a real gamer's game. It is a Bioware/SW fanboy game. I didn't have much fun playing it, but I am sure some people will. To each their own.

  • NaughtyPNaughtyP Member UncommonPosts: 793

    I can honestly say the two things I play these games for now is crafting and PvP.

    A solid persistent PvP system in this game is sorely lacking. Unless you are fine with instanced PvP or open world PvP without objectives/rewards, I'd stick with another game. Ilum just resets at the end so I don't even consider that persistent. Unfortunate for me I guess! But I realize a lot of people just want Warzones so maybe they will be happy. Who knows.

    As for crafting, there was a dev post today that clarified (or muddied depending on your POV) the current state of the "mod" system for armor (didn't say much about weapons). I can't say I'm super thrilled. It is a small step forward, but it seems way too convulated when there are easier solutions to the "lack of customizaiton" threads that have plagued the beta boards since I was let in.

    Ah well. I'll wait and see what the verdict is a few months after launch.

    Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.

  • Rusty715Rusty715 Member Posts: 482

    Originally posted by popinjay

     




    Originally posted by Rusty715





    Originally posted by Distopia






    Originally posted by Rusty715





    You missed my edit I will post it again. My opinion is the only one that matters to whether I will buy this game or not. Your opinion has no value at all in that respect. In fact, those that feel the need to constantly defend whatever negative is posted says alot about the game and the defender.






    So wait replying in general to something said is now defending a game? Is that the secret that everyone is missing? Just don't reply or offer another view towards a negative opinion?





    There are negatives about this game that some of us will not overlook.

     



    Enjoy your game, really, have fun. I chose to save my $60 for something better.





     

    Do you get the sense that someone is trying to get you to sub to ToR so that they can play with... you?

     



    You keep posting "I'm not playing ToR" and "This is nothing new so I'm not wasting $60". I have yet to see someone post:

     

     

     

    "Please.. Rusty715.. reconsider! Please play ToR with us!"

     

    Man you never stop do you? You ask for reasons I dont l ike the game, you get them and then spit out crap that only reinforces that you cannot stand anything negative posted about your game. I dont know how you got so self important but if you think everyone in life has to agree with you, you are in for a lot of disappointment. Now please, make some more childish personal attacks to make yourself feel clever.

    Really? This game sucks and Im not having fun? Im going to unsub right now. Thanks for the tip.

  • FrodoFraginsFrodoFragins Member EpicPosts: 6,050

    Originally posted by h0urg1ass

    I've said it before and I'll say it again.  If this game had any other name attached to it, then it would be going down in flames like the hindenberg on all the review sites.  If it was called Space Wars and they replaced the Jedi and Sith with sword wielding space monks that have psionic powers, then this game wouldn't be anything special at all.  In fact, it would be getting laughed at.

    I don't think so.  It's a lot better than Rift and that game didn't get ripped to shreds and it is a shallower copy of WOW.

  • DeserttFoxxDeserttFoxx Member UncommonPosts: 2,402

    Originally posted by Falin

    well gee of course they have 900k pre-orders they were all over their forums asking people to pre-order for a chance to get in the beta!

    Please link 1 thread, not several just one, where that proves this statement isnt complete bullshit.

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