Imagine if they really scored the game for what it was and gave it a 5 or 6.
Haha ... oh dear .... Teala, you are so deliciously out of touch on this one
No offense but it's really starting to entertain me.
I for am happy that I am able to see the quality in things that are not of my personal preference. You however .... somehow simply can't, which is kind of amusing.
Quality? Some of the game is good, but to say this game rates an 8..that is in my opinion dishonest. 5 or 6 maybe, but anything above that would be dishonest to potential players. My writings on this game say how I feel and I honestly can't see giving this game more than a 5 or 6 out of 10. That is average...good game, not great, not awesome...just a good game with issues, shortcomings and flaws. Sorry I am not going to be like others and say this game is the best game ever! Because it is far, far from that.
Dishonest to potential players? Realy? Just because it doesn't cohere with your PERSONAL view about TOR? Do you even know what "dishonest" means? I have news for you lady.. the world doesn't evolve around you and your likes or dislikes. Millions of people are enjoying this game right now, are they all wrong? Perhaps your criteria and ability to judge are superior to us scrubs then.
The self righteous hypocrisy some people display is just overwhelming.
Imagine if they really scored the game for what it was and gave it a 5 or 6.
Haha ... oh dear .... Teala, you are so deliciously out of touch on this one
No offense but it's really starting to entertain me.
I for am happy that I am able to see the quality in things that are not of my personal preference. You however .... somehow simply can't, which is kind of amusing.
Quality? Some of the game is good, but to say this game rates an 8..that is in my opinion dishonest. 5 or 6 maybe, but anything above that would be dishonest to potential players. My writings on this game say how I feel and I honestly can't see giving this game more than a 5 or 6 out of 10. That is average...good game, not great, not awesome...just a good game with issues, shortcomings and flaws. Sorry I am not going to be like others and say this game is the best game ever! Because it is far, far from that.
Just noticed on that above link that TTH rated Deus Ex: Human Revolution amd Total War: Shogun 2 as 87%. So they're saying SW:TOR is better than those two games? Ooookay. I think I'll stop listening to their opinion..
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Even worse! They gave Dead Island a 74?! 74!? What the hell is wrong with these people? Actually, reading through some of the negatives they wrote about Dead Island I start to wonder if they were smoking something when they reviewed SWTOR. A lot of their complaints are equivalent to the bad points of SWTOR.
You know, it's funny, because if you average the 6 scores they gave, it comes out to an 85.83. Not quite sure how they rounded up to an 88.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it."-Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
So they say the game killed the genre and then they give it a high rating? My point stands in that other thread I amde..HUGE IP + Big world = blind fan base to defend mediocrity
I don't think they say it necessarily killed the genre. I just think they are aware that other developers are making games that push the genre in different directions, and SWTOR is probably the last "WoW-like" MMORPG we're going to see (I hope).
Warhammer 40K
Sorry, had to share the bad news.
Purpose in life is not to gain things, but experience. - Rover64dd
So they say the game killed the genre and then they give it a high rating? My point stands in that other thread I amde..HUGE IP + Big world = blind fan base to defend mediocrity
I don't think they say it necessarily killed the genre. I just think they are aware that other developers are making games that push the genre in different directions, and SWTOR is probably the last "WoW-like" MMORPG we're going to see (I hope).
You'll see many more. Many people like that style and it would be a bad day if it stops completely. Its good to have variety, if the WoW style goes away you'll just see clones of the new game and it all starts again.
So they say the game killed the genre and then they give it a high rating? My point stands in that other thread I amde..HUGE IP + Big world = blind fan base to defend mediocrity
I don't think they say it necessarily killed the genre. I just think they are aware that other developers are making games that push the genre in different directions, and SWTOR is probably the last "WoW-like" MMORPG we're going to see (I hope).
You'll see many more. Many people like that style and it would be a bad day if it stops completely. Its good to have variety, if the WoW style goes away you'll just see clones of the new game and it all starts again.
+1. I know a lot of people that like the WoW style, myself included. A lot of posters here seem to think that style is bad because they don't like it. I say diversity is good and I'm glad we have choices.
Overall, I think it's a fairly decent review...maybe a little generous on some points, but not overly pandering or overly critical. At the end, I thought the reviewre summed it up very well when he writes:
While the game largely adheres to the same, overused template when it comes to combat, progression systems, and itemization that many MMO gamers have grown weary of by this point, it represents the pinnacle of what can be achieved within that particular framework. If World of Warcraft marked the beginning of a new era for the MMO industry back in 2004, then The Old Republic will no doubt be long remembered as the title that helped bring that era to a close on an astoundingly high note.
This is where I disagree most of all, with this common opinion even critics of the game seem to have - that TOR takes the familiar framework, and makes it better, much like WoW did back in 2004.
How can people possibly see it this way? To me, it seems that they took the familiar framework and just did the bare minimum to keep it together. They polished it so that it would be shiny and not fall apart, while carrying players from dialogue to dialogue, but it's not even remotely well done, on any level. Not the combat, not the environments, not the skills, character advancement and customization, nor the itemization, mobs, or NPCs. To me it's epitome of mediocrity for the framework, doing most of it worse than what other MMOs have been doing for years.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Overall, I think it's a fairly decent review...maybe a little generous on some points, but not overly pandering or overly critical. At the end, I thought the reviewre summed it up very well when he writes:
While the game largely adheres to the same, overused template when it comes to combat, progression systems, and itemization that many MMO gamers have grown weary of by this point, it represents the pinnacle of what can be achieved within that particular framework. If World of Warcraft marked the beginning of a new era for the MMO industry back in 2004, then The Old Republic will no doubt be long remembered as the title that helped bring that era to a close on an astoundingly high note.
This is where I disagree most of all, with this common opinion even critics of the game seem to have - that TOR takes the familiar framework, and makes it better, much like WoW did back in 2004.
How can people possibly see it this way? To me, it seems that they took the familiar framework and just did the bare minimum to keep it together. They polished it so that it would be shiny and not fall apart, while carrying players from dialogue to dialogue, but it's not even remotely well done, on any level. Not the combat, not the environments, not the skills and character advancement, nor the mobs, or NPCs. To me it's epitome of mediocrity for the framework, doing most of it worse than what other MMOs have been doing for years.
Perceptions differ? Maybe they feel how these things are executed are better than how they were presented in WOW?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
So they say the game killed the genre and then they give it a high rating? My point stands in that other thread I amde..HUGE IP + Big world = blind fan base to defend mediocrity
I don't think they say it necessarily killed the genre. I just think they are aware that other developers are making games that push the genre in different directions, and SWTOR is probably the last "WoW-like" MMORPG we're going to see (I hope).
Warhammer 40K
Sorry, had to share the bad news.
I'm betting a mint 100 that the game will never see the light of day.
The last interview with the developer i saw the interviewee was clearly stoned out of his ass, I was honestly astounded that he could formulate sentences.
This is where I disagree most of all, with this common opinion even critics of the game seem to have - that TOR takes the familiar framework, and makes it better, much like WoW did back in 2004.
How can people possibly see it this way? To me, it seems that they took the familiar framework and just did the bare minimum to keep it together. They polished it so that it would be shiny and not fall apart, while carrying players from dialogue to dialogue, but it's not even remotely well done, on any level. Not the combat, not the environments, not the skills, character advancement and customization, nor the mobs, or NPCs. To me it's epitome of mediocrity for the framework, doing most of it worse than what other MMOs have been doing for years.
Perceptions differ? Maybe they feel how these things are executed are better than how they were presented in WOW?
Well yeah.. but more specifically than that. I'd like to know what familiar things players feel this game does so well, and how exactly does it do them better than other recent MMOs. because I'm just not seeing it.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Well yeah.. but more specifically than that. I'd like to know what familiar things players feel this game does so well, and how exactly does it do them better than other recent MMOs. because I'm just not seeing it.
I really have no clue, I don't really judge a game based on another I have played. I judge it based on how much entertainment I find in it. I really can't answer your question, but to say, why worry how others view it or why they view it that way?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The most important part of that review is found in the words written under the 'Value' and 'Lasting Appeal' sections.
That's the red meat of an MMO, and will utlimately determine its long-term success.
Those are the two lowest scores and are very telling.
Yeah, I can see high marks for most of those elements, but I feel the game has all the long-term traction of a Brittany Spears marriage. Time will tell though. If in six months, this game has even half the player base it has now, I'll eat Totalbiscuit's hat. If said hat is unattainable, I'll take mine off to salute a job well done.
The most important part of that review is found in the words written under the 'Value' and 'Lasting Appeal' sections.
That's the red meat of an MMO, and will utlimately determine its long-term success.
Those are the two lowest scores and are very telling.
Yeah, I can see high marks for most of those elements, but I feel the game has all the long-term traction of a Brittany Spears marriage. Time will tell though. If in six months, this game has even half the player base it has now, I'll eat Totalbiscuit's hat. If said hat is unattainable, I'll take mine off to salute a job well done.
The most important part of that review is found in the words written under the 'Value' and 'Lasting Appeal' sections.
That's the red meat of an MMO, and will utlimately determine its long-term success.
Those are the two lowest scores and are very telling.
Yeah, I can see high marks for most of those elements, but I feel the game has all the long-term traction of a Brittany Spears marriage. Time will tell though. If in six months, this game has even half the player base it has now, I'll eat Totalbiscuit's hat. If said hat is unattainable, I'll take mine off to salute a job well done.
Note to self: I have 6 months to accuire TBs hat.
It'll probably be auctioned off to charity by then.
Their review is imo very generous - especialy graphics without AA and high res textures and multiplayer without lfg tool ...
But they are at least consistent with their marks - Rift got 95% (too high again), but i agree with them that rift was better game at release than swtor.
Wow, they gave Rift a 95%?
I think that kind of kills their credibility regarding "points." I actually thought their review for SWTOR was written well, but I agree that the points make no sense.
You really want to go down the list of features missing from TOR compared to Rift on launch date? I got a thread over on the Rift sub forum if you want to take it there.
Also dead world completely instanced and no public grouping feature.
You know whats sad? When your defense of one game over another resorts to 'but my game has a customizable UI!!!' Yes, but your game is bland and its story telling is equivalent to hearing someone like Ben stein read war and peace in his dull monotone voice.
And those instances hold over 100 people which is more than is usually in a typical Rift zone anyway. its the EQ2 model and it works well there.
ok it is a review who cares, it is worth as much as mine or any other, personaly cant stop playing the game(working atm that is why i'm here ) it is awsome, vanguard at lvl 25 got my speeder, at Nar Shaddaa atm, killed my first sith assassin ganking a shield specc vanguard not cool
I really have no clue, I don't really judge a game based on another I have played. I judge it based on how much entertainment I find in it. I really can't answer your question, but to say, why worry how others view it or why they view it that way?
I want to say its just human nature, but I think I tend to study people more closely than just that. It's the kind of person I am, I find human behaviour interesting.. and that collides with my interest in video games, resulting in lots of gaming forum posts over the years. Do you really find it so inexplicable?
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
I really have no clue, I don't really judge a game based on another I have played. I judge it based on how much entertainment I find in it. I really can't answer your question, but to say, why worry how others view it or why they view it that way?
I want to say its just human nature, but I think I tend to study people more closely than just that. It's the kind of person I am, I find human behaviour interesting.. and that collides with my interest in video games, resulting in lots of gaming forum posts over the years. Do you really find it so inexplicable?
No it's not that it's impossible to explain, I'm saying I view games differently so I couldn't begin to tell you why those who do feel that way.
Unless you're asking if I find your reasoning for asking unexplainable, which no I do not. Your reasons are your own, likewise I'm sure their reasons are their own.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
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"On average, this publication grades 3.8 points higher than other critics. (0-100 point scale)"
So 88% from TTH counts as 84% in fact.
Dishonest to potential players? Realy? Just because it doesn't cohere with your PERSONAL view about TOR? Do you even know what "dishonest" means? I have news for you lady.. the world doesn't evolve around you and your likes or dislikes. Millions of people are enjoying this game right now, are they all wrong? Perhaps your criteria and ability to judge are superior to us scrubs then.
The self righteous hypocrisy some people display is just overwhelming.
Do you know what "honesty" means? Is this a joke?
Just noticed on that above link that TTH rated Deus Ex: Human Revolution amd Total War: Shogun 2 as 87%. So they're saying SW:TOR is better than those two games? Ooookay. I think I'll stop listening to their opinion..
Edit:
Even worse! They gave Dead Island a 74?! 74!? What the hell is wrong with these people? Actually, reading through some of the negatives they wrote about Dead Island I start to wonder if they were smoking something when they reviewed SWTOR. A lot of their complaints are equivalent to the bad points of SWTOR.
You know, it's funny, because if you average the 6 scores they gave, it comes out to an 85.83. Not quite sure how they rounded up to an 88.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." -Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
Warhammer 40K
Sorry, had to share the bad news.
Purpose in life is not to gain things, but experience. - Rover64dd
You'll see many more. Many people like that style and it would be a bad day if it stops completely. Its good to have variety, if the WoW style goes away you'll just see clones of the new game and it all starts again.
+1. I know a lot of people that like the WoW style, myself included. A lot of posters here seem to think that style is bad because they don't like it. I say diversity is good and I'm glad we have choices.
This is where I disagree most of all, with this common opinion even critics of the game seem to have - that TOR takes the familiar framework, and makes it better, much like WoW did back in 2004.
How can people possibly see it this way? To me, it seems that they took the familiar framework and just did the bare minimum to keep it together. They polished it so that it would be shiny and not fall apart, while carrying players from dialogue to dialogue, but it's not even remotely well done, on any level. Not the combat, not the environments, not the skills, character advancement and customization, nor the itemization, mobs, or NPCs. To me it's epitome of mediocrity for the framework, doing most of it worse than what other MMOs have been doing for years.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Perceptions differ? Maybe they feel how these things are executed are better than how they were presented in WOW?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I'm betting a mint 100 that the game will never see the light of day.
The last interview with the developer i saw the interviewee was clearly stoned out of his ass, I was honestly astounded that he could formulate sentences.
Well yeah.. but more specifically than that. I'd like to know what familiar things players feel this game does so well, and how exactly does it do them better than other recent MMOs. because I'm just not seeing it.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
I really have no clue, I don't really judge a game based on another I have played. I judge it based on how much entertainment I find in it. I really can't answer your question, but to say, why worry how others view it or why they view it that way?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Yeah, I can see high marks for most of those elements, but I feel the game has all the long-term traction of a Brittany Spears marriage. Time will tell though. If in six months, this game has even half the player base it has now, I'll eat Totalbiscuit's hat. If said hat is unattainable, I'll take mine off to salute a job well done.
Note to self: I have 6 months to accuire TBs hat.
It'll probably be auctioned off to charity by then.
On that note: http://kingofweb.com/users/9217369491
I noticed in his pic that the hat is conspicuously missing. Hmmm.
Most gaming website need to cater to game companies or they don't get the Interviews or Exclusives.
So lets just say the review scores are actualy 70 being terrible and 100 being amazing. Looks like TOR with an 88 got an average score.
"It would be awesome if you could duel your companion. Then you could solo pvp".--Thanes
You know whats sad? When your defense of one game over another resorts to 'but my game has a customizable UI!!!' Yes, but your game is bland and its story telling is equivalent to hearing someone like Ben stein read war and peace in his dull monotone voice.
And those instances hold over 100 people which is more than is usually in a typical Rift zone anyway. its the EQ2 model and it works well there.
ok it is a review who cares, it is worth as much as mine or any other, personaly cant stop playing the game(working atm that is why i'm here
) it is awsome, vanguard at lvl 25 got my speeder, at Nar Shaddaa atm, killed my first sith assassin ganking a shield specc vanguard not cool
I want to say its just human nature, but I think I tend to study people more closely than just that. It's the kind of person I am, I find human behaviour interesting.. and that collides with my interest in video games, resulting in lots of gaming forum posts over the years. Do you really find it so inexplicable?
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
No it's not that it's impossible to explain, I'm saying I view games differently so I couldn't begin to tell you why those who do feel that way.
Unless you're asking if I find your reasoning for asking unexplainable, which no I do not. Your reasons are your own, likewise I'm sure their reasons are their own.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson