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NIce post OP, +1.
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You are dead wrong OP. You know why? I've been playing since beta and haven't noticed one bit the difference in textures because it's not something I really give a heap about. As long as the game feels great and runs fine on my PC and isn't 8 bit or looking like Ultima Online, then I am a happy camper. SO, if I were to be a reviewer on those sites you quoted then I would have said the same thing. To me, the graphics are visually impressive. I think WoW's are at times, too. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But don't go slandering BW because you are just trying to nitpick a popular game for whatever stupid reason.
Imagine the guy actually doing something usefull with his time. Heh.
I'd rather have him waste his life on something nobody gives a crap about than something I do care about.
OP, keep spinning you wheels!
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I wonder if most thinking the game looks good are playing are smaller screens, I get the game would look fantastic on a 4.3 in smartphone, 15" monitor not bad, 19 okish, 22 a bit patchy anything more ouch !
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The OP is infact not wrong. You however are. He did NOT go after Bioware. He went after reviewers that dont know there ass from a hole in the ground.
Graphics STYLE isnt the problem. But there is a huge diffrence between texture qualities ect (graphics quality) and graphics STYLE. If you dont know the diffrence then you should not be commenting on graphics in general in a review. You can praise the graphical style of SWTOR all you want (and I will completely 100% agree with you) but if you where to say the graphical quality is anything but below average for a game in this day and age you clearly have no clue. I said after the thanksgiving weekend test that the graphical QUALITY was subpar and as it turns out I was right and bioware admitted it. Even though then and even today, after its been admitted by Bioware, people like you still wont admit there is something subpar about the game.
I'm sorry, he IS wrong due to who he is blaming. He blames Bioware, saying busted, thanks Bioware. His argument wouldn't hold any weight in court and neither does yours. You may not agree with people's taste in graphics, that's fine, but don't spew it as fact when it's just opinion.
During beta there was a lot of problems with the textures and they solved it in October build. They changed lots of things during beta, you know that's what betas are for.
I'm sure the reviews aren't based in early beta, if that were the case the scores would be a lot lower.
However, most of the positive reviews listed by the OP use ambigous terms like "visuals," which is more of a style thing. They do not refer to graphic, or more specifically texture, quality, so I don't see how they are misleading.
Wasn't this that game that lots of people hated the "visuals" of, when it was still in beta? Supposedly using higher res textures, but still looking just as Clone Wars like? I find it strange that all these reviewers are praising the graphics now, regardless of the texture issue. Have they just grown on everyone, like an aquired taste, or what?
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
i remember playing this game in beta on high rez and it actually ran better with that client than when they changed it *due to a bug but it will be back!*
i remember and still do feel sorry for you guys that spent money upgrading to run this game when it released with a high rez option...you guys got blindsided
They still advertise this game with their highrez code screenshots - terrible form
I couldn't give a crap if you all think it looks fine/great whatever..just remember the so called 'haters' are the ones funding the graphics card industry which it turn funds the gaming industry more than you do - these people spend the money to enjoy a better quality product and bioware's story changed from during beta to how it is now decieving those spenders of money.
whats this got to do with this thread? nothing but hey all the blind defense of what bioware does doesnt have jack to do with this thread either so *shrugs*
same way people were crazy defending the space combat part of the game lol - highrez did look pretty good..it was just much of the armor modelling was halfassed and many corners were cut for the december release - LA/EA wanted the game out before xmas to maximise box sales so the crappier client was used. $$$$$$$$$ speaks to the corporates way more than consumers wishes
Yes. Not sure about the "select edition" though.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
The screenshots from their next "big update" is in hi-res
http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/719835/star-wars-the-old-republic-content-update-rise-of-the-rakghouls-coming-next-week/
I understood it as he is blaming the game reviewers who claim that the game's visuals are outstanding despite releasing without a high quality graphics settings.
Though graphics quality can be bad, artistic direction and what the developers do with those graphics. A game can still look visually pleasing on low quality graphics settings. I think that is more what the reviewers are saying... the visuals are stunning, but they don't mention that the game shipped with only low quality graphics settings, which can be quite a nasty surprise for a graphics junky (and yes they do exist) buying the game based off of those reviews.
I agree with the OP that some sort of mention should be made about what version of the game it is that they are reviewing. I can't say I agree with the idea that just because people can only set the low graphics quality settings the game must look like ass. That is the subjective part...
But I guess the lesson here is not to pay too much attention to what the reviewers say is good, but rather concentrate on what they say is bad because those are the elements that will annoy a potential player the most in the end. At least, that is how I see it.
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Zero problems here. Must be your system.
My only slight hiccup is that sometimes transferring zones has a pause while connecting to whatever server it's sending me to.
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Agree
OP you never know if they based it off of a private server or anything.
Though I will say after recent news and the fact all their PR has high res textures which is misleading, there is a chance they might have done so.
Reviewers least the so called proffesional ones have always rated MMOs based on wha they could be or what they see now.
I don't think I've seen reviewers actually give the "real" deal. Hell upcoming mmos are going to be the same way most of the time you'll see "This is the most polished launch ever." and what not.
But the reviewers can honestly be having fun it might be their taste, I already know they got reviewers who are already interested into the game.
If they weren't then the rating and other stuff wouldn't be so great.
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TOR is an awesome game, just like themeparks are the dominant genre of MMOs. You will learn to accept it or I will pull a Rodo on ya.
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I don't mind the graphics either way, but this comment is rediculous. If a 16gb card was needed for high res SWTOR, that would effectively mean that RIFT, BF3, Metro 2033, etc. would be completely unplayable with top of the line computers for many years to come...
Correct. The point of the thread is about inaccurate reviews.
Think of it the other way around. If the graphics in beta had been really bad - lets say the reviewers only had the low option - and alll the reviews had come out complaining about poor graphics and all the scores were 6s and 7s then lots of posters would be up in arms about how inaccurate the reviews were.
Well this is the exact same issue. Worse the reviewers probably expected the game to be better at launch and so probably gave the game some wiggle room. Suckered they were padawan; suckered. As were people who bought the game because of what they read.
Now I prefer performance to graphic excellence as well - but I prefer truthful, honest and accurate advertsing even more.
Okay, I am a little disappointed to see this moved to the SW:TOR forum.
Really, this thread is more about the quality of games reviews than any particular game - but okay.
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In answer to a few posters:
Thodra, Moaky07, Omnifish and others on a similar who assume I am a 'hater' or don't like the game, or don't like the graphics, or have no life or...
You guys really need to read the original post and think about what is being said.
I actually don't have SW:TOR and I have no opinion on it either way. I also don't care about graphics myself. If you read the thread you will see that. So, you need to read the thread.
My issue is with crappy games reviews. As many posters have noticed - that is what the thread is about. Some of these so called 'professional' reviewers completely missed the fact that the graphics in game were not high quality. In fact some of them went so far as to gush about them:
Cheat Code Central by Robert VerBruggen
The graphics are a definite step up from everything else on the market,...
4.7/5 Graphics
From the cutscenes to the in-game world, no other MMO comes close visually.
This has now been exposed as totally false. Mr VerBruggen can say what he likes but he cannot dodge the fact that his review is factually wrong. The simple fact is he clearly did not review the retail release.
And that is what we (consumers) expect from a game review. If he was reviewing the Beta, he should have said so. It makes a difference, simply because a Beta is not the game. We all know that in development games change lots. Features are added, changed and removed. But none of that matters because that is not the game. The game (the thing that we pay for) is the thing that comes in the retail box. Mr VerBruggen clearly never played that version. The Cheat Code Central review is therefor for a game that was never released. Mr VerBruggen probably got paid for his review - IMHO he owes someone their money back.
Oh, and as for the fact "I have no life", the OP took me about 1 1/2 hours to write and research. I would normally spend that time playing MMOs. So really, no biggy either way.
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ktanner3, if you would like to link me to your review I will see what you said.
If you completely missed that the actual game segments were not the same quality as the Cut Scenes, or gushed about the quality of the graphics in game, or made (false) claims about how you nearly blew up your high end graphics card (as one reviewer claimed) then you should be suitably embarressed.
If on the other had you made comments about how the Cut Scenes alone were of high quality, or noted that the game seemed lacking in comparision (as the mmorpg.com reviewer did) then you were correct.
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Elocke, I did not blame Bioware anywhere at all. I thanked them because they actually made a statement which is perfectly clear and exposes the fraud reviewers for what they are.
The Dark Zero reviewer for example – definitely did not play the retail release and put it up to 'max settings'. As Bioware said – he couldn't.
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For those that took the time to read the OP and think about it for what it was - thank you.
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
they locked the other thread about the high-res textures so ill post this here... I was trying out conan again yesterday since its F2P and tried to get the game running with everything maxed out and guess what not even my 3,500 dollar gaming system can run those settings with a resonable framerate yet they are still there. But guess what I can leave al lthe textures and everything max and turn off shadows and get a good framerate.. i would much rather run high res textures with no shadows in this game since the shadows suck anyway and just take up valuable resources. Options options options.. this is why people usually play pc games over console in many cases for the options(assuming game is avaialble for both platforms...). If I wanted to be stuck without being able to choose anything myself I'd stick with my 200 dollar xbox 360.
this link has some good comparison shots.. one big issue I have is the face.. without the high-res peoples faces look awful.. I know not a big deal to many people but it bothers me a lot.
http://mmomfg.com/2012/01/11/star-wars-the-old-republic-high-resolution-textures-011/
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
I have to agree the graphics overall are very poor. There are only pockets of the game that seem to look decent almost as if that zone or area was worked on by a different team of devs within BW.