The picture is not altered? That's a carbon copy! I can't imagine a company with a record budget not bein able to design a unique combat system. And it's STAR WARS ffs, get some inspiration! jesuschristfenton!
I fail to see the point... If you can offer a set of abilities that people feel familiar with why in the long tooth would you do a lot of wonky stuff with it "just to be different". Were i get my education that is called "art school crap" and widley regarded as a bad idea, never put form before function. And since it would not have finctioned better if it did +2% fire damamge and +3% electrict damage i fail to see how they woudl have made it different.. You need a main attac, a cone attack, a AoE attack, some form of self buff and so on and so forth.
But do elaborate please how you think that they could have done it better.
I know this wasn't addressed to me, but if I had time to sit down and think about it for a bit, I'll bet I (and a lot of other people) could come up with some great ideas that are either new, or uncommonly used enough that it would be new to a lot of people. Sadly I'm at work right now so time for posting is limited.
Maybe I'll get back to you.
Yes but is there an emminent need for it? That's the question. I'm willing to bet there is a large group of customers that actually wants familiarity, maybe even to the point of being turned off by learning something new. I don't know that as a fact but I know a few people like that too.
There's smart business sense in keeping somethings similar if you want people to be able to sit down and get straight to it, specially coming from other MMOs
SWTOR has the most fun and fluid combat (yes yes, I know the animation delay bug, I almost never experience it though) since WoW. Maybe copying from WoW was a smart move? Oddly enough, I onsider the warrior classes to be the least fun, and its the one that did the most direct copying.
By this account all MMORPGs are alike. I can think of many games that has the same basic attacks, debuffs, boss fights and the holy trinity.
Why WoW is used is beyond me. Everybody is doing it discounting sandbox games.
Have you looked at the pic at all? They didn't even bother changing half of the names.
If the pic is legit, of course. Which i find it hard to believe.
Why would calling it something else make any difference? It still does the same thing. If I have a shield and i call a skill 'bash' does it really make sense to call it 'slam' in another game??
MMORPGS have copy pasted the same skill sets since it's beginning. Renaming them for them only to have the exact same effect isn't going to disguise that
It wouldnt make any difference really, its the combat system that matters. But it shows how little they cared. It has surprised me. 130 milion dolars to that? Ok.
Define care. What you care about doesn't translate to what they should care about, nor does it translate into what I as a gamer should care about. You have to realize that the thoughts you have about things are yours alone. You may share the same sentiments with a group of people but that does not make you right or wrong.
Well then what makes you more right then them? I think you need to take your own advise.
I'm sharing an opinion just like everyone else. I never claimed I was right and I always take my own advice. I do try and add some facts to a lot of my posts though just to switch it up
What else do you want to know
You're preaching homie. Try reading your post again if you think otherwise. They didn't do anything that you yourself aren't doing. Just stating their opinion but you think you some moral high ground and start peaching. The simple fact is you don't.
I can't help your reading comprehention anymore than I feel like having lengthy back and fourths trying to explain things to you because of that.
If you write "They do not care" you first have to prove that there's a reason to care as the pure basics of that argument. Second you would have to actually establish how you belong to a valuable group of players where this particular issue is important.
Saying somebody doesn't care about a feature could be correct. Acting like they SHOULD care about 1 particular issue is a whole other matter.
That's where the line between 'opinion' and trying to state a 'truth' gets blurred out. That's like you stating that I do not care about you. How do you know what I care about. It's a pointless comment
So yes there is a world of difference between what I write and what he has written. I don't make statements I can't back up
The guy plays WoW, Warhammer, Rift and Runes of Magic and gets insta experience from all themepark MMOs on the market.
Lets face it, the ones that isn't are sandbox games or hybrids of other genres thrown into the mix.
Assuming there's a hidden message in that post about how the above is "different" then It really isn't fair to compare two seperate subgenres as they cater to two different audiences
What about Runescape, DAoC, Guild Wars, Tibia, FFXIV, Anarchy Online...?
The guy plays WoW, Warhammer, Rift and Runes of Magic and gets insta experience from all themepark MMOs on the market.
Lets face it, the ones that isn't are sandbox games or hybrids of other genres thrown into the mix.
Assuming there's a hidden message in that post about how the above is "different" then It really isn't fair to compare two seperate subgenres as they cater to two different audiences
What about Runescape, DAoC, Guild Wars, Tibia, FFXIV, Anarchy Online...?
best post ever and proves. get together guys and deny the torcraft
This
This x2
As pointless as those statements are. Clones of clones of clones is going to continue to the day you are in a nursing home getting a diaper change. The genre hasn't really evolved since the 90's. We have prettier graphics that's about it. We still cling to the trinity, tab targeting and turn/time based combat. The ones that try and be different can't sustain enough numbers to sort out their own buggy games.
Lets face it you are going to be using this line the next 20 years to come unless you find some niche sandbox game you can hide yourself in.
Disclaimer: this is my opinon and armchair prediction for the future. not a fact
other than dumping $$$ into voice acting u think BW got anything better than the rest of mmo DEV? of course they have to copy everything from the other mmo.
Well when you start something new, you have the choice of copying someone else's work, but not so obvious that it will get you sued, or you can innovate.
It is clear that Bioware took the former approach. Then they re-used what they are good at, which is single player stories and voice overs, and claimed that they innovated.
You have to be naive as a child to buy into that nonsense.
It actually does not have a tanking chain class though. But does Rift have a healing Plate class?
mage, rogue, warrior, and cleric in Rift is just cloth, leather, plate and chain. One game has 32 talent trees, the other has 30. Rift lets you mix and match more, WoW has better trees.
WoW also has a 7 eyar head start. Don't worry 1 year and counting and Blizzard terrible for all of 2011. That will not be changing in 2012. I hope your not counting on Pokemon and Pandas to save WoW? Deathwing sure as hell was no ICC and did not even dent TOR's launch.
What does WoW's 7 year head start have to do with it having similar varety to Rift? It did at launch. Just pointing out that bragging because Rift has a heaing mage and a tanking cleric isnt impressive.
That the game is a shameless WoW clone. Something denied by many fans.
Rarely discuss the game at all any more...just waiting for you Crusaders to run out of steam, some day.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Yup very similar can't be denied but i do have to say the Jedi Knight plays much better than WoW warrior even if those abilities are similar. Force leap, taunt and guard are much better just to name a few.
I would like to see a side by side comparison of EQ warrior and WoW warrior. That would be interesting. I don’t remember the warrior abilities as my main was a SK but they did have some cross over abilities.
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Yes but is there an emminent need for it? That's the question. I'm willing to bet there is a large group of customers that actually wants familiarity, maybe even to the point of being turned off by learning something new. I don't know that as a fact but I know a few people like that too.
There's smart business sense in keeping somethings similar if you want people to be able to sit down and get straight to it, specially coming from other MMOs
Opinion much?
High Five FTW!
ahahahaha NOT a WoW clone at all....
GZ to OP!!!
I can't help your reading comprehention anymore than I feel like having lengthy back and fourths trying to explain things to you because of that.
If you write "They do not care" you first have to prove that there's a reason to care as the pure basics of that argument. Second you would have to actually establish how you belong to a valuable group of players where this particular issue is important.
Saying somebody doesn't care about a feature could be correct. Acting like they SHOULD care about 1 particular issue is a whole other matter.
That's where the line between 'opinion' and trying to state a 'truth' gets blurred out. That's like you stating that I do not care about you. How do you know what I care about. It's a pointless comment
So yes there is a world of difference between what I write and what he has written. I don't make statements I can't back up
What about Runescape, DAoC, Guild Wars, Tibia, FFXIV, Anarchy Online...?
OFC! They dont cater the WoW clone audience
best post ever and proves. get together guys and deny the torcraft
Grats for mentioning the 10% that isn't
This
"The guy plays WoW, Warhammer, Rift and Runes of Magic and gets insta experience from all themepark MMOs on the market."
indeed
This x2
As pointless as those statements are. Clones of clones of clones is going to continue to the day you are in a nursing home getting a diaper change. The genre hasn't really evolved since the 90's. We have prettier graphics that's about it. We still cling to the trinity, tab targeting and turn/time based combat. The ones that try and be different can't sustain enough numbers to sort out their own buggy games.
Lets face it you are going to be using this line the next 20 years to come unless you find some niche sandbox game you can hide yourself in.
Disclaimer: this is my opinon and armchair prediction for the future. not a fact
Check the dropping stats before even the free month ends…
http://www.swtorarena.com/statistics/
If only that was something official and not possibly a guy with an agenda that decided to create a webpage to link in various posts online
/tinfoil hat off
Well when you start something new, you have the choice of copying someone else's work, but not so obvious that it will get you sued, or you can innovate.
It is clear that Bioware took the former approach. Then they re-used what they are good at, which is single player stories and voice overs, and claimed that they innovated.
You have to be naive as a child to buy into that nonsense.
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You can check xfire numbers too. They can't all lie
http://www.swtorarena.com/page/story/_/swtor/devtracker/about-server-populations-and-the-trends-r73
I guess this one is from the same site you linked compared to xfire numbers
Is there a point to this thread that I'm missing?
What does WoW's 7 year head start have to do with it having similar varety to Rift? It did at launch. Just pointing out that bragging because Rift has a heaing mage and a tanking cleric isnt impressive.
That the game is a shameless WoW clone. Something denied by many fans.
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Trion's also said similar things about RIFT, looks how the game's doing now.
Never trust vague comments from from dev, the only thing that is solid is the numbers
lolz...owned
Rarely discuss the game at all any more...just waiting for you Crusaders to run out of steam, some day.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
It will happen the day they get their quality triple A bug free sandbox game to play in. Which translates to never
Not every SWTOR "hater" is a sandboxer, actually most people who hate SWTOR hate it becauses they want something new, not necessarily a sandbox.
For me at least, it doesn't have to be a sandbox specifically, but just stepping outside the box, even slightly.
Yup very similar can't be denied but i do have to say the Jedi Knight plays much better than WoW warrior even if those abilities are similar. Force leap, taunt and guard are much better just to name a few.
I would like to see a side by side comparison of EQ warrior and WoW warrior. That would be interesting. I don’t remember the warrior abilities as my main was a SK but they did have some cross over abilities.
I can feel your anger. This game is defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike this game down with all of your hatred, and your journey towards towards the Dark Side will be complete.