If what Bill wrote is right, it's pretty reasonable that they have let him go.
Danny's point remains true though and aside a couple of other neutral players' reviews (both positive and negactive), it was among the only honest SWTOR reviews on this page.
The purposefully positive official coverage of all major titles on this page is but a different topic, although to everyone with an open mind or some insight into any business it is clear who makes the scores and pulls the strings.
If what Bill wrote is right, it's pretty reasonable that they have let him go.
Danny's point remains true though and aside a couple of other neutral players' reviews (both positive and negactive), it was among the only honest SWTOR reviews on this page.
The purposefully positive official coverage of all major titles on this page is but a different topic, although to everyone with an open mind or some insight into any business it is clear who makes the scores and pulls the strings.
Pretty much summed up my feelings also the reason why I don't buy pc print magazines anymore, everyone knows how major titles are getting over the top reviews even if they are just mediocre or even worse than that.
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play." "Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
If what Bill wrote is right, it's pretty reasonable that they have let him go.
Danny's point remains true though and aside a couple of other neutral players' reviews (both positive and negactive), it was among the only honest SWTOR reviews on this page.
The purposefully positive official coverage of all major titles on this page is but a different topic, although to everyone with an open mind or some insight into any business it is clear who makes the scores and pulls the strings.
Pretty much summed up my feelings also the reason why I don't buy pc print magazines anymore, everyone knows how major titles are getting over the top reviews even if they are just mediocre or even worse than that.
Or, you know some poeple actually likie the game, i know thats hard for the interent to understand, that some pople like games, but its true, some poeple actually manage to like games.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Regardless of why they were firing that guy, the fact remains is that his review is the only one which would qualify as one which looks at the game and writes a critical review about it, taking into consideration all the short comings of the title. The other reviewers on this site, briefly mentions some of them, but ultimately do not seem to factor them into their scores.
I mean if you look at this title from a pure objective point of view, you would see that this game does not bring one single feature which is MMORPG specific. Everything from flashpoints to their instanced PvP are pure single player/co-op features. There are no world events like in Rift, there are no open RvR objectives and there are no public quests. These all put together would dictate a low score from an MMORPG point of view, even though the game is a good single player or Diablosque co-op RPG.
So if you are interested in the MMORPG genre as a whole there is no way that you can with a good conscience give this game a good score because it is trying to turn the Bioware signature single player RPGs into an MMORPG and slap a sub fee on it. If this trend continues us as gamers will not only face less real MMORPGs but also non-MMORPGS, which are traditionally B2P, into games which you have to pay a big initial fee and then a monthly one to keep playing it.
Its funny how when a reviewer writes a review people agree with he's/she's "the only one writing a critical review" or "coming from a pure objective point of view" and when a guy who's very active on other forums including the Darkfall one (a sandbox FFA PVP game at that) writes a negative review and then lords it up telling the world that he's the only one who had written a "proper review" gets fired for posting articles on sites that are not paying him, the site in question is being "bought" is hilarious. The lengths top which people who don't like games will go to rubbish a game is truly astounding it beggars belief. The bottom line here is he got fired for being a idiot and posting things on other sites that he wasn't allowed to, I would have fired him as well.
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Then we saw he'd already posted the entire review you saw in the OP here on the Darkfall forums... which we were going to pay him $50 for. Then it came to our attention he'd been doing the same with other content for the Guru sites as well. And of course, let's not forget the "I'm Awesome" thread.
Anyone care to comment about the post?
This is what I do not undersand about "bill's post" why add more fuel to a fire that no one really cares about ?
I mean, as unprofessional as it may have been for Danny to do what he did, it is just as unprofessional ( or even more ) for a current member of said company to discuss the nature of someones removal.
strange...
Also publicly discussing a current or previous employees rate of pay is an offence in many countries.
Pretty much summed up my feelings also the reason why I don't buy pc print magazines anymore, everyone knows how major titles are getting over the top reviews even if they are just mediocre or even worse than that.
Or, you know some poeple actually likie the game, i know thats hard for the interent to understand, that some pople like games, but its true, some poeple actually manage to like games.
Which IS fine with me but especially print magazines aren't even trying to hide this stuff anymore. A german once famous magazine has critizied a not so well known game but also praised another for the exact same thing heavily, after the turning the page you saw a HUGE banner for an €A games game (no not SWTOR think it was ME 2 back then).
Glady the sales of the magazine are plummeting for years now.
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play." "Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
Its blatant lot of major sites are on payroll from big publishers. There is no law preventing it (except law of morality)
And these sites have to make money somehow.
So they strife to get large userbase. Than make money by giving controlled vents for "Viral Marketing"
(where either they only use heavy hand against negative oppinions, while nurturing positive. Or allow payed professionals (from EA for example) to post disguised as users)
No, mmorpg.com will never acknowledge this , neither would any other game site. But , when even the biggest player (gamespot) was caught red handed , what can you expect from small fishes like mmorpg.com
But try it as they might. They can never controll the voice of the people. And "viral marketing" often backfires. As it did for SWTOR.
So respect oppinions of posters you know , and posters with lot of posts
No, mmorpg.com will never acknowledge this , neither would any other game site. But , when even the biggest player (gamespot) was caught red handed , what can you expect from small fishes like mmorpg.com
Since when is having no proof agaisnt you being caught red handed?
People love to scream about that incident, yet the fact remains, there was no proof.
And before someone comes in yelling about how im stupid blah blah blah no proof is no proof, and what i believe in regards to what happened is irrelevent.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Its blatant lot of major sites are on payroll from big publishers. There is no law preventing it (except law of morality)
And these sites have to make money somehow.
So they strife to get large userbase. Than make money by giving controlled vents for "Viral Marketing"
(where either they only use heavy hand against negative oppinions, while nurturing positive. Or allow payed professionals (from EA for example) to post disguised as users)
No, mmorpg.com will never acknowledge this , neither would any other game site. But , when even the biggest player (gamespot) was caught red handed , what can you expect from small fishes like mmorpg.com
But try it as they might. They can never controll the voice of the people. And "viral marketing" often backfires. As it did for SWTOR.
So respect oppinions of posters you know , and posters with lot of posts
As it did for DA 2 and all the other hyped and viral marketers filled games. Even at this point its clear which people on this site are hired EA VMs
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play." "Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
No, mmorpg.com will never acknowledge this , neither would any other game site. But , when even the biggest player (gamespot) was caught red handed , what can you expect from small fishes like mmorpg.com
Since when is having no proof agaisnt you being caught red handed?
People love to scream about that incident, yet the fact remains, there was no proof.
And before someone comes in yelling about how im stupid blah blah blah no proof is no proof, and what i believe in regards to what happened is irrelevent.
No, mmorpg.com will never acknowledge this , neither would any other game site. But , when even the biggest player (gamespot) was caught red handed , what can you expect from small fishes like mmorpg.com
Since when is having no proof agaisnt you being caught red handed?
People love to scream about that incident, yet the fact remains, there was no proof.
And before someone comes in yelling about how im stupid blah blah blah no proof is no proof, and what i believe in regards to what happened is irrelevent.
Well nobody should scream at you regardless.
Someone can claim anything they want to claim. Outside of crossing into Libel or Slander of course (depends on your world location I suppose).
Then agian even if there was "proof" so what?
I've never come to this site to read reviews on games.. because I don't care what their opinion of the game is. (this is me being honest).
I often like the forums here and they are the only reason I ever started coming here. Oh and sometimes I don't like the forums but regardless I almost never read the reviews. I do read the opinion columns tho (not reviews).
not cool. I don't know what happended there and why he would post his review as a user.
everybody knows that SWTOR is a 6/10, so what's the problem?
One negative review among hundreds of positive?
I am also very awesome. There is no use in reading any official article here or anywhere. You get better information from the users even if some of them are fakers or 4chan trolls. You can spot them out by their style of writing.
Congratulations mmorpg.com,
you have now earned your 0 street credibility award.jpg
For everyone saying they dont care how a site is making money. This can backfire easily, back in the days when the first sites started stuff like allowing viral marketers, being on big publishers payrolls...they went downhill fast and many are closed nowadays.
Gonna wonder what will happen after the free month is up and people start posting their opinions on why they have unsubbed or stayed...
To be honest I also don't read much of the reviews because the best one will always be your own it worked for me in almost every MMOG I've tried and Ill plan sticking to that formula. I've joined this site, because I want to talk with others about the past/future and whatever of this genre, not having flamewars with viral marketers and stuff like that.
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play." "Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
No, mmorpg.com will never acknowledge this , neither would any other game site. But , when even the biggest player (gamespot) was caught red handed , what can you expect from small fishes like mmorpg.com
Since when is having no proof agaisnt you being caught red handed?
People love to scream about that incident, yet the fact remains, there was no proof.
And before someone comes in yelling about how im stupid blah blah blah no proof is no proof, and what i believe in regards to what happened is irrelevent.
Warmaster
You are either very young or have no experience with office buisnesses
There is no proof , because there cant be proof.
They didnt go to Gerstman and said you are fired because of the Dog Days review. No. They just fired him.
When you are fired in this buisness, if its "political" - you will never be given true reason.
But, it was so obvious and blatant. Plus the fact that EIDOS itself complained , and day after Gerstman was fired. Although he was one of the most popular reviewers on internet...
Then we saw he'd already posted the entire review you saw in the OP here on the Darkfall forums... which we were going to pay him $50 for. Then it came to our attention he'd been doing the same with other content for the Guru sites as well. And of course, let's not forget the "I'm Awesome" thread.
Anyone care to comment about the post?
This is what I do not undersand about "bill's post" why add more fuel to a fire that no one really cares about ?
I mean, as unprofessional as it may have been for Danny to do what he did, it is just as unprofessional ( or even more ) for a current member of said company to discuss the nature of someones removal.
strange...
Also publicly discussing a current or previous employees rate of pay is an offence in many countries.
Not if they aren't actual employees, and are only freelance.
Good on MMORPG for no longer using him. He has no integrity at all.
No, mmorpg.com will never acknowledge this , neither would any other game site. But , when even the biggest player (gamespot) was caught red handed , what can you expect from small fishes like mmorpg.com
Since when is having no proof agaisnt you being caught red handed?
People love to scream about that incident, yet the fact remains, there was no proof.
And before someone comes in yelling about how im stupid blah blah blah no proof is no proof, and what i believe in regards to what happened is irrelevent.
Warmaster
You are either very young or have no experience with office buisnesses
There is no proof , because there cant be proof.
They didnt go to Gerstman and said you are fired because of the Dog Days review. No. They just fired him.
When you are fired in this buisness, if its "political" - you will never be given true reason.
But, it was so obvious and blatant. Plus the fact that EIDOS itself complained , and day after Gerstman was fired. Although he was one of the most popular reviewers on internet...
People just put 2+2 together.
I don't think 'caught red handed' means what you think it means.
The phrase is only used if it is based upon facts.
You do not have factual information (you even said so in your post).
Gdemami - Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
No, mmorpg.com will never acknowledge this , neither would any other game site. But , when even the biggest player (gamespot) was caught red handed , what can you expect from small fishes like mmorpg.com
Since when is having no proof agaisnt you being caught red handed?
People love to scream about that incident, yet the fact remains, there was no proof.
And before someone comes in yelling about how im stupid blah blah blah no proof is no proof, and what i believe in regards to what happened is irrelevent.
Warmaster
You are either very young or have no experience with office buisnesses
There is no proof , because there cant be proof.
They didnt go to Gerstman and said you are fired because of the Dog Days review. No. They just fired him.
When you are fired in this buisness, if its "political" - you will never be given true reason.
But, it was so obvious and blatant. Plus the fact that EIDOS itself complained , and day after Gerstman was fired. Although he was one of the most popular reviewers on internet...
People just put 2+2 together.
I don't think 'caught red handed' means what you think it means.
The phrase is only used if it is based upon facts.
You do not have factual information (you even said so in your post).
Someones not old enough to know how to read a dictionary I suppose, whether theyere can or can not be proof is irrelevent, there isnt any, and anything you say is pure speculation since, you know, you have NO PROOF.
No, mmorpg.com will never acknowledge this , neither would any other game site. But , when even the biggest player (gamespot) was caught red handed , what can you expect from small fishes like mmorpg.com
Since when is having no proof agaisnt you being caught red handed?
People love to scream about that incident, yet the fact remains, there was no proof.
And before someone comes in yelling about how im stupid blah blah blah no proof is no proof, and what i believe in regards to what happened is irrelevent.
If a guy gets fired then several co workers quit in response, its proof enough that someone wouldnt give up their income for nothing.
except, it isnt proof, speculation =/= proof, time for the internet to realise this, your own link has no proof, all it did was prove there was NO proof.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
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If what Bill wrote is right, it's pretty reasonable that they have let him go.
Danny's point remains true though and aside a couple of other neutral players' reviews (both positive and negactive), it was among the only honest SWTOR reviews on this page.
The purposefully positive official coverage of all major titles on this page is but a different topic, although to everyone with an open mind or some insight into any business it is clear who makes the scores and pulls the strings.
Pretty much summed up my feelings also the reason why I don't buy pc print magazines anymore, everyone knows how major titles are getting over the top reviews even if they are just mediocre or even worse than that.
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play."
"Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
Or, you know some poeple actually likie the game, i know thats hard for the interent to understand, that some pople like games, but its true, some poeple actually manage to like games.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Its funny how when a reviewer writes a review people agree with he's/she's "the only one writing a critical review" or "coming from a pure objective point of view" and when a guy who's very active on other forums including the Darkfall one (a sandbox FFA PVP game at that) writes a negative review and then lords it up telling the world that he's the only one who had written a "proper review" gets fired for posting articles on sites that are not paying him, the site in question is being "bought" is hilarious. The lengths top which people who don't like games will go to rubbish a game is truly astounding it beggars belief. The bottom line here is he got fired for being a idiot and posting things on other sites that he wasn't allowed to, I would have fired him as well.
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Also publicly discussing a current or previous employees rate of pay is an offence in many countries.
Which IS fine with me but especially print magazines aren't even trying to hide this stuff anymore. A german once famous magazine has critizied a not so well known game but also praised another for the exact same thing heavily, after the turning the page you saw a HUGE banner for an €A games game (no not SWTOR think it was ME 2 back then).
Glady the sales of the magazine are plummeting for years now.
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play."
"Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
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Nice having the link there. I might do the same if you don't mind. But I meant they deleted the thread pointing to that review, few minutes ago.
An honest review of SW:TOR 6/10 (Danny Wojcicki)
In before lockdown
Its blatant lot of major sites are on payroll from big publishers. There is no law preventing it (except law of morality)
And these sites have to make money somehow.
So they strife to get large userbase. Than make money by giving controlled vents for "Viral Marketing"
(where either they only use heavy hand against negative oppinions, while nurturing positive. Or allow payed professionals (from EA for example) to post disguised as users)
No, mmorpg.com will never acknowledge this , neither would any other game site. But , when even the biggest player (gamespot) was caught red handed , what can you expect from small fishes like mmorpg.com
But try it as they might. They can never controll the voice of the people. And "viral marketing" often backfires. As it did for SWTOR.
So respect oppinions of posters you know , and posters with lot of posts
Since when is having no proof agaisnt you being caught red handed?
People love to scream about that incident, yet the fact remains, there was no proof.
And before someone comes in yelling about how im stupid blah blah blah no proof is no proof, and what i believe in regards to what happened is irrelevent.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
As it did for DA 2 and all the other hyped and viral marketers filled games. Even at this point its clear which people on this site are hired EA VMs
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play."
"Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gerstmann
If a guy gets fired then several co workers quit in response, its proof enough that someone wouldnt give up their income for nothing.
This is normal. Seriously mmorpg.com and similar sites ARE business.
They are made to make money.
Who are real clients of those sites? Who provide money?
Game companies through advertisement & marketting money.
Simple as that.
We as readers are not paying a dime, so why anyone is surprised?
Do you demand "objectivity" from free newspaper with lots of advertisements that's given out on a streets?
Well nobody should scream at you regardless.
Someone can claim anything they want to claim. Outside of crossing into Libel or Slander of course (depends on your world location I suppose).
Then agian even if there was "proof" so what?
I've never come to this site to read reviews on games.. because I don't care what their opinion of the game is. (this is me being honest).
I often like the forums here and they are the only reason I ever started coming here. Oh and sometimes I don't like the forums but regardless I almost never read the reviews. I do read the opinion columns tho (not reviews).
Like I care... I read the most reviews just to see what's a + or a - of some game and then discuss it..
I'm here for discussion about the games... Reviews only help me to decide if I want to play some game or not.
"Happiness is not a destination. It is a method of life."
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not cool. I don't know what happended there and why he would post his review as a user.
everybody knows that SWTOR is a 6/10, so what's the problem?
One negative review among hundreds of positive?
I am also very awesome. There is no use in reading any official article here or anywhere. You get better information from the users even if some of them are fakers or 4chan trolls. You can spot them out by their style of writing.
Congratulations mmorpg.com,
you have now earned your 0 street credibility award.jpg
Just you don't go blaming MMORPG.
I just reported this thread as being retaliation.
This is at least in the wrong forum, but it is also abusive speculative slander.
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For everyone saying they dont care how a site is making money. This can backfire easily, back in the days when the first sites started stuff like allowing viral marketers, being on big publishers payrolls...they went downhill fast and many are closed nowadays.
Gonna wonder what will happen after the free month is up and people start posting their opinions on why they have unsubbed or stayed...
To be honest I also don't read much of the reviews because the best one will always be your own it worked for me in almost every MMOG I've tried and Ill plan sticking to that formula. I've joined this site, because I want to talk with others about the past/future and whatever of this genre, not having flamewars with viral marketers and stuff like that.
We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!
"Everything you're bitching about is wrong. People don't have the time to invest in corpse runs, impossible zones, or long winded quests. Sometimes, they just want to pop on and play."
"Then maybe MMORPGs aren't for you."
lol what?
Is english not your first language?
If someone is blatently unprofessional like that, why would I want to read anything by him?
Why would any site have him?
That is just so awful and I can't see him as a 'writer' in any capacity for any site (excluding his blog/facebook).
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Warmaster
You are either very young or have no experience with office buisnesses
There is no proof , because there cant be proof.
They didnt go to Gerstman and said you are fired because of the Dog Days review. No. They just fired him.
When you are fired in this buisness, if its "political" - you will never be given true reason.
But, it was so obvious and blatant. Plus the fact that EIDOS itself complained , and day after Gerstman was fired. Although he was one of the most popular reviewers on internet...
People just put 2+2 together.
Not if they aren't actual employees, and are only freelance.
Good on MMORPG for no longer using him. He has no integrity at all.
I don't think 'caught red handed' means what you think it means.
The phrase is only used if it is based upon facts.
You do not have factual information (you even said so in your post).
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Someones not old enough to know how to read a dictionary I suppose, whether theyere can or can not be proof is irrelevent, there isnt any, and anything you say is pure speculation since, you know, you have NO PROOF.
Here ill say it again so it sinkcs in, NO PROOF.
Educate yourself
.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
except, it isnt proof, speculation =/= proof, time for the internet to realise this, your own link has no proof, all it did was prove there was NO proof.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.