So...they wait a full 2 years before bringing this up? Just when Tera plans to release in NA, their main source of income? *tin Foil Hat ON*
It's not like NCSoft hasn't been pursuing this for five years already.
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ncsoft doesn't have a leg to stand on, nothing in tera resembles lineage lore..the races are completely different and seeing as ncsoft never released anything about lineage 3 it will be hard for them to prove bluehole took copyrighted material.
ncsoft doesn't have a leg to stand on, nothing in tera resembles lineage lore..the races are completely different and seeing as ncsoft never released anything about lineage 3 it will be hard for them to prove bluehole took copyrighted material.
they won on korea against bhs
Im not defending NCsoft as it only supports ArenaNet, but things are looking grim for Tera
"It has potential" -Second most used phrase on existence "It sucks" -Most used phrase on existence
ncsoft doesn't have a leg to stand on, nothing in tera resembles lineage lore..the races are completely different and seeing as ncsoft never released anything about lineage 3 it will be hard for them to prove bluehole took copyrighted material.
According to the article, they already proved it in the South Korean court system (for whatever that is worth). Just because they didn't release anything publicly about L3 doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
ncsoft doesn't have a leg to stand on, nothing in tera resembles lineage lore..the races are completely different and seeing as ncsoft never released anything about lineage 3 it will be hard for them to prove bluehole took copyrighted material.
they won on korea against bhs
Im not defending NCsoft as it only supports ArenaNet, but things are looking grim for Tera
They didn't win tera still released in korea..ncsoft took the money.
ncsoft doesn't have a leg to stand on, nothing in tera resembles lineage lore..the races are completely different and seeing as ncsoft never released anything about lineage 3 it will be hard for them to prove bluehole took copyrighted material.
they won on korea against bhs
Im not defending NCsoft as it only supports ArenaNet, but things are looking grim for Tera
They didn't win tera still released in korea..ncsoft took the money.
From the article:
"The former employees were convicted in Korea of stealing trade secrets from NCsoft in 2009, and the convictions were mostly upheld by an appellate court, according to the complaint.
NCsoft also lodged a civil complaint against the individuals and Bluehole in Korea in 2010. The company won damages and an injunction barring the individuals from using NCsoft's proprietary information going forward. However, the damages award was overturned by an appellate court.
Appeals of both the criminal and civil cases are currently pending before Korea's highest court.
Despite the litigation, Bluehole launched its game, Tera, in Korea last year, and has announced plans to release an English version in the U.S., the complaint alleges."
The SK lower court didn't issue an injunction to halt the game, just that they couldn't use any more STOLEN SECRETS going forward. The case is still slogging through the appelate process there.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
"(...)deal a crippling blow to their former employer !"
What does the legal representative from NcSoft mean with this? I dont understand. Were the former employees planning to launch themselfs Lineage 3, or just an similar mmorpg with artwork, game design blah blah taken from L3?
If so, this art and design and blah blah that were put into Tera came from L3 project? Im lost...
"(...)deal a crippling blow to their former employer !"
What does the legal representative from NcSoft mean with this? I dont understand. Were the former employees planning to launch themselfs Lineage 3, or just an similar mmorpg with artwork, game design blah blah taken from L3?
If so, this art and design and blah blah that were put into Tera came from L3 project? Im lost...
To win a suit like this they would have to prove the alleged "theft" would create a finacial burden for the company, while overdramatized they're just saying this product would directly compete with whatever property it was stolen from.
"(...)deal a crippling blow to their former employer !"
What does the legal representative from NcSoft mean with this? I dont understand. Were the former employees planning to launch themselfs Lineage 3, or just an similar mmorpg with artwork, game design blah blah taken from L3?
If so, this art and design and blah blah that were put into Tera came from L3 project? Im lost...
The directors at BHS are former NCSoft employees who stole the L3 source code and assets.
Initially they approached a unamed japanese company in an attempted sale of these, when this didnt work out they sought the financing of BHS and TERA based on what they had at that time which was all L3 work.
BHS has been funded TERA has had the financing to be created and I have no doubt a lot of the code base from the years of work that had went into Lineage 3 before it was stolen and thus scrapped.
NCSoft had to wait until TERA was given a launch date as that is 100% intent to supply it to another market, a market outside of which they have already won 2 court cases in relation to this.
"(...)deal a crippling blow to their former employer !"
What does the legal representative from NcSoft mean with this? I dont understand. Were the former employees planning to launch themselfs Lineage 3, or just an similar mmorpg with artwork, game design blah blah taken from L3?
If so, this art and design and blah blah that were put into Tera came from L3 project? Im lost...
Yes, NCSoft alleges (and apparenly proved in court) that the developers of Tera (former NCSoft employees) stole the work that they had done on L3 (while employed by NCSoft) and used it to create Tera.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
ncsoft doesn't have a leg to stand on, nothing in tera resembles lineage lore..the races are completely different and seeing as ncsoft never released anything about lineage 3 it will be hard for them to prove bluehole took copyrighted material.
they won on korea against bhs
Im not defending NCsoft as it only supports ArenaNet, but things are looking grim for Tera
They didn't win tera still released in korea..ncsoft took the money.
No, NCsoft won the initial case, received the injunction, there were criminal convictions and civil damages. The damages were overturned and it's now in appeals court in South Korea. The injuntion was upheld. If you violate an injuntion, by say, releasing the game, you are subject to additional criminal and civil charges... which is what is being held up in the court system. So the game is out in Korea, but it could still be taken offline pending the cases.
But, no, NC didn't get the money, the damages were overturned.
I have to admit I didn't know the full extent of this. That being said, I don't think I could support TERA with a clear conscience if these allegations are true. /sadface
I have to admit I didn't know the full extent of this. That being said, I don't think I could support TERA with a clear conscience if these allegations are true. /sadface
Well, there's little doubt that Bluehole employees or ex-NCSoft employees stole from NCSoft L3 project. There are pretty hard evidences of that including list of files that were taken from NCSoft office by the ex-employees using portable storages. They even have an internal memo of Bluehole regarding those assets. That's why NCSoft won in criminal court and the founder of Bluehole put to jail.
Now, the interesting thing is they have to prove that Bluehole used those assets in TERA which they apparently could for the Korean court. If they could do the same here in the US court, that will be a pretty grim future for the US version of TERA.
heard from a guy that tera was looking better than gw2 especialy in graphics. So this is clearly a fear from nc soft about their product gw2.
Reallly.... no.
Tera looks good, no doubt, but it is 100% niche product.
GW2 is 100% mainstream.
Maybe they just have a problem with thieves making use of their stuff?
Those ''thieves'' made their own stuff while working for NCsoft and now NC wants the exclusivity on it because they were paid to do it. Fuck NC soft , the Blue hole original employees salary and the 3d tools licenses should be refunded to NC and for what it is of the models n stuff they belong to the former employees.
Generally with these non-disclosure agreements that companies make their employees sign, I'd say 95% of them are unenforceable. I think NCSoft will have a very hard time proving that their art was stolen, and this is more likely than not just going to delay the game. Arbitration or settling of course is a possibility as well.
Before you judge Bluehole Studios, first remember that they are innocent until proven guilty.
I have to admit I didn't know the full extent of this. That being said, I don't think I could support TERA with a clear conscience if these allegations are true. /sadface
Well, there's little doubt that Bluehole employees or ex-NCSoft employees stole from NCSoft L3 project. There are pretty hard evidences of that including list of files that were taken from NCSoft office by the ex-employees using portable storages. They even have an internal memo of Bluehole regarding those assets. That's why NCSoft won in criminal court and the founder of Bluehole put to jail.
Now, the interesting thing is they have to prove that Bluehole used those assets in TERA which they apparently could for the Korean court. If they could do the same here in the US court, that will be a pretty grim future for the US version of TERA.
It depends what tack their prosecution takes but it looks like they'll go along the lines that BHS couldn't have possibly developed the assets they have in TERA without Ncsofts resources in the first place. Couple that with the physical evidence of them actually stealing the assets from the servers.
BHS defense will probably consist of challenging ever single assest claim as false due to time and comparison. L3 hasn't been announced so what can they show as proof somethings been taken? Can NCsoft prove ever single asset was stolen in comparison to what TERA is now and prove it with dates? What will they compare it to thats published and stealing their business? L2? That's not similar is it?
To be honest it's a poor defense really, it's sounds like the BHS guys were disgruntled, (it wouldn't be the first time Ncsoft got into a spat with a former employee, eh Richie? :P), but thats no excuse to steal their former employees property.
Somehow I don't think TERA will ever see the light of day over here, which is a shame but really they shouldn't have done what they did in the first place.
Generally with these non-disclosure agreements that companies make their employees sign, I'd say 95% of them are unenforceable. I think NCSoft will have a very hard time proving that their art was stolen, and this is more likely than not just going to delay the game. Arbitration or settling of course is a possibility as well.
Before you judge Bluehole Studios, first remember that they are innocent until proven guilty.
They've already been proven guilty in SK court. So, yeah, they're not innocent.
Evening again, folks. We have updated our official response with a quoted statement from En Masse Entertainment's Publishing VP Chris Lee:
Originally Posted by Chris Lee:
"We are disappointed that NCsoft is attempting to mar the launch of TERA. Unfortunately we can't discuss much publicly due to the sensitivity of legal actions, but we do outright reject the NCsoft claims, and we are going to do everything in our power to defend and protect ourselves.
To all our supporters who have been anticipating the arrival of TERA – please know that this situation has no impact on our continuing efforts to realize the vision we have for our game. We are committed to making TERA awesome and delivering the game to you on time on May 1. Thank you for your patience and support."
yes, they can release on may 1st, but the problem is how long can it last?
if they are being stop by law to bring this game.forward, which a poster have pointed out, than I personally don't think it will last long before being order to shutdown, worst now that we have acta involve.
don't get me wrong, im waited for so long for this game to be release, but would like to have a good assurance before I jump in.
To be brutally honest this saddens me, I for one would like to see TERA as a game released under the Lineage umbrella that would have been a great great game I have no doubt, hopefully they will sort this out and NCSoft will publish Bluehole products from now on or something and be friends.
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It's not like NCSoft hasn't been pursuing this for five years already.
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"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
I think that was his point buddy...
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ncsoft doesn't have a leg to stand on, nothing in tera resembles lineage lore..the races are completely different and seeing as ncsoft never released anything about lineage 3 it will be hard for them to prove bluehole took copyrighted material.
they won on korea against bhs
Im not defending NCsoft as it only supports ArenaNet, but things are looking grim for Tera
"It has potential"
-Second most used phrase on existence
"It sucks"
-Most used phrase on existence
According to the article, they already proved it in the South Korean court system (for whatever that is worth). Just because they didn't release anything publicly about L3 doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
They didn't win tera still released in korea..ncsoft took the money.
From the article:
"The former employees were convicted in Korea of stealing trade secrets from NCsoft in 2009, and the convictions were mostly upheld by an appellate court, according to the complaint.
NCsoft also lodged a civil complaint against the individuals and Bluehole in Korea in 2010. The company won damages and an injunction barring the individuals from using NCsoft's proprietary information going forward. However, the damages award was overturned by an appellate court.
Appeals of both the criminal and civil cases are currently pending before Korea's highest court.
Despite the litigation, Bluehole launched its game, Tera, in Korea last year, and has announced plans to release an English version in the U.S., the complaint alleges."
The SK lower court didn't issue an injunction to halt the game, just that they couldn't use any more STOLEN SECRETS going forward. The case is still slogging through the appelate process there.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
NCSoft just lost a fanboy. Boo.
"(...)deal a crippling blow to their former employer !"
What does the legal representative from NcSoft mean with this? I dont understand. Were the former employees planning to launch themselfs Lineage 3, or just an similar mmorpg with artwork, game design blah blah taken from L3?
If so, this art and design and blah blah that were put into Tera came from L3 project? Im lost...
To win a suit like this they would have to prove the alleged "theft" would create a finacial burden for the company, while overdramatized they're just saying this product would directly compete with whatever property it was stolen from.
The directors at BHS are former NCSoft employees who stole the L3 source code and assets.
Initially they approached a unamed japanese company in an attempted sale of these, when this didnt work out they sought the financing of BHS and TERA based on what they had at that time which was all L3 work.
BHS has been funded TERA has had the financing to be created and I have no doubt a lot of the code base from the years of work that had went into Lineage 3 before it was stolen and thus scrapped.
NCSoft had to wait until TERA was given a launch date as that is 100% intent to supply it to another market, a market outside of which they have already won 2 court cases in relation to this.
Yes, NCSoft alleges (and apparenly proved in court) that the developers of Tera (former NCSoft employees) stole the work that they had done on L3 (while employed by NCSoft) and used it to create Tera.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
edit: Withdrawn.
(thanks, Praetalus)
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
In case anyone cares to read up:
http://tsi.brooklaw.edu/sites/tsi.brooklaw.edu/files/filings/ncsoft-corporation-et-al-v-bluehole-studio-inc-et-al/20120109ncsoft-corporation-et-al-v-bluehole-studio-inc-et-alcomplaint.pdf
EDIT: Sorry, didn't see it had already been posted.
No, NCsoft won the initial case, received the injunction, there were criminal convictions and civil damages. The damages were overturned and it's now in appeals court in South Korea. The injuntion was upheld. If you violate an injuntion, by say, releasing the game, you are subject to additional criminal and civil charges... which is what is being held up in the court system. So the game is out in Korea, but it could still be taken offline pending the cases.
But, no, NC didn't get the money, the damages were overturned.
Well this just sucks.
I have to admit I didn't know the full extent of this. That being said, I don't think I could support TERA with a clear conscience if these allegations are true. /sadface
pie.
Well, there's little doubt that Bluehole employees or ex-NCSoft employees stole from NCSoft L3 project. There are pretty hard evidences of that including list of files that were taken from NCSoft office by the ex-employees using portable storages. They even have an internal memo of Bluehole regarding those assets. That's why NCSoft won in criminal court and the founder of Bluehole put to jail.
Now, the interesting thing is they have to prove that Bluehole used those assets in TERA which they apparently could for the Korean court. If they could do the same here in the US court, that will be a pretty grim future for the US version of TERA.
Generally with these non-disclosure agreements that companies make their employees sign, I'd say 95% of them are unenforceable. I think NCSoft will have a very hard time proving that their art was stolen, and this is more likely than not just going to delay the game. Arbitration or settling of course is a possibility as well.
Before you judge Bluehole Studios, first remember that they are innocent until proven guilty.
It depends what tack their prosecution takes but it looks like they'll go along the lines that BHS couldn't have possibly developed the assets they have in TERA without Ncsofts resources in the first place. Couple that with the physical evidence of them actually stealing the assets from the servers.
BHS defense will probably consist of challenging ever single assest claim as false due to time and comparison. L3 hasn't been announced so what can they show as proof somethings been taken? Can NCsoft prove ever single asset was stolen in comparison to what TERA is now and prove it with dates? What will they compare it to thats published and stealing their business? L2? That's not similar is it?
To be honest it's a poor defense really, it's sounds like the BHS guys were disgruntled, (it wouldn't be the first time Ncsoft got into a spat with a former employee, eh Richie? :P), but thats no excuse to steal their former employees property.
Somehow I don't think TERA will ever see the light of day over here, which is a shame but really they shouldn't have done what they did in the first place.
This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!
They've already been proven guilty in SK court. So, yeah, they're not innocent.
I'll be playing on may 1
New update from Scapes:
Evening again, folks. We have updated our official response with a quoted statement from En Masse Entertainment's Publishing VP Chris Lee:
Originally Posted by Chris Lee:
"We are disappointed that NCsoft is attempting to mar the launch of TERA. Unfortunately we can't discuss much publicly due to the sensitivity of legal actions, but we do outright reject the NCsoft claims, and we are going to do everything in our power to defend and protect ourselves.
To all our supporters who have been anticipating the arrival of TERA – please know that this situation has no impact on our continuing efforts to realize the vision we have for our game. We are committed to making TERA awesome and delivering the game to you on time on May 1. Thank you for your patience and support."
if they are being stop by law to bring this game.forward, which a poster have pointed out, than I personally don't think it will last long before being order to shutdown, worst now that we have acta involve.
don't get me wrong, im waited for so long for this game to be release, but would like to have a good assurance before I jump in.
RIP Orc Choppa
To be brutally honest this saddens me, I for one would like to see TERA as a game released under the Lineage umbrella that would have been a great great game I have no doubt, hopefully they will sort this out and NCSoft will publish Bluehole products from now on or something and be friends.