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  • PivotelitePivotelite Member UncommonPosts: 2,145

    Originally posted by Snoepie

    i don't think you can compare GW2 with tera tho..

    Tera is pve based.. 

    GW2 is heavily pvp based 

    Its the same comparison between wow and doac..

    The core elements of GW2 is pvp which tera shows a story line pve quest( with some minor pvp elements)

    I do think that gw2 will be more succesfull tho.. Altho i really like the pve in tera.. the combat is not boring @ all.

     Actually TERA is about as PvE based as it is PvP based.

     

    While almost all endgame content set in the game relies on PvE(seven 5 man dungeons, 6 with hardmode option, and a few other things, as well as monster invasions requiring 20 men to close the crevice coming next patch). It also is heavily PvP based for those that want it to be.

     

    I know on a lot of guilds have GvG PvP at schedueled times and many people also make wagers on deathmatches up to 10v10. Not to mention PvP in battlegrounds helps gain control of certain territories.(Not to mention sometime before the end of this year, server invasion content will be added, if they hold true to their word. So let the PvP experience continue to increase...)

     

    However, even being a TERA fanboy as I am, TERA in no way will be more successful than GW2, GW2 has its own set of features, the fanbase from GW1 the hype and the B2P model.

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  • AcvivmAcvivm Member UncommonPosts: 323

    I'm definitely going to give TERA a try, but I doubt I will continue playing once GW2 hits but then again....who knows when that game is going to come out. It could still be a while before GW2 comes out so it may get quite a following if the release goes well and people enjoy what is there.

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  • omidusomidus Member UncommonPosts: 99

    Originally posted by Xasapis

    Really now, SW:TOR and polish don't belong to the same sentence. That game has so many bugs and broken things, you could easily take it for a Bethesda game. The only saving grace is that nothing was gamebreaking, well, except for the end of one the classes (which was fixed post launch).

    Comparing the engine of those two games is even a bigger joke. Tera has miles better better graphics compared to the muddy SW:TOR graphics, an open world instead of zones and all these with a much better performance.

    Really, you can argue that the story of Tera is boring and that the game is a generic quest based MMO, but the polish and responsiveness of the game engine is miles ahead of SW:TOR.

    Actually yeah SWTOR is more polished than TERA. For one the next update content for TERA is a class update for warrior class by adding a new component; now tell me what modern mmo that is in current existence does that? None! As far as bugs go, TERA had plenty; go read the feedback forum, animations, NPCs disappearing, list goes on and this game has been in development longer than  SWTOR.

    Yes graphics is everything, oh wait... WoW comes to mind and Perfectworld comes to mind. Hmmm yeah very valid argument. I know who isn't a game player; want a pretty picture? take one it lasts forever.

    You don't know what polish means in terms of game play. Responsiveness? if TERA wasn't responsive, it's combat system would be a disaster! SWTOR doesn't seem responsive to your trigger happy tendency is because it has a mechanic called global cool down.

    We can keep arguing, but you're not going to win. But I expect more under-educated reponse from superficial gamer who cares about graphics more than what a game has to offer.

  • XenostarXenostar Member Posts: 11

    I have a feeling Titan = TERA + GW2. Just a hunch.

  • syklonissyklonis Member UncommonPosts: 33

    Originally posted by Xenostar

    I have a feeling Titan = TERA + GW2. Just a hunch.

    That maybe a good assumption....

  • AvanahAvanah Member RarePosts: 1,627

    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    I have been waiting for GW2 for years. Nothing else touches it.

    Nothing released this year or close. ( SWTOR )

    But I played TERA and I can see a competitor.

    No wonder NC soft are trying to sue Bluehole and stop Tera.

    *Deep Breath*.....LOL

     

    /regains composure

     

    GW2 has NOTHING to do with the Lawsuit whatsoever. Let's get that out of the way.

    I also played Tera and I am also waiting for GW2....

    When GW2 releases, NOTHING will be even within 1 million subscribers of GW2 in the first MONTH. :)

     

    But that's just me. :)

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  • mbrodiembrodie Member RarePosts: 1,504

    Originally posted by stevebmbsqd

    Originally posted by Loke666


    Originally posted by stevebmbsqd

    TSW>GW2&TERA

    I kinda doubt it. TSW do have the potential of getting a higher playerbase than earlier FunCom games and I like the idea of a Cthulhu styled modern world MMO. TERA and TSW is going straight up against eachothers and anything can happen there.

    GW2 on the other hand have a lot more experienced team than the other 2, a hype level that is beyond any MMO since ever and the fact that it is fantsy is also a huge thing, MMO players seems to prefer fantasy.

    I can imagine both TERA and TSW having impressing 500K active players but I also think GW2 will have 2 million or so (active that is, number of accounts will be more than the original GWs 3,5 million seperate accounts).

    I salute all 3 of those games for trying to do something different from the standard model MMO but I still don´t see TSW or Tera competing against GW2, I don´t even see both of them together having more active players than GW2.

    GW2 will be up against Wow, TOR, Titan, Copernicus, Class 4 and possible WoDO. 

    TSW will be up against Rift, TERA, EQ Next, PS2, LOTRO and similar games. Successful games but not the ones that are truly huge.

    I have no doubt that GW2 will have the largest player base. It is B2P after all. I think community wise, TSW will be much better though. Every kid under the sun will be playing as they don't need a mommy or daddy's credit card number. I agree with one of the posters above me that GW2 is probably a little too over hyped. I have more of a wait and see attitude with GW2. I see the potential for numerous things that sound great on paper or play great on a limited playthrough but might not stand the test of months of playtime. I'll for sure buy it at launch and give it a play through though. I am also not a huge fan of anything NCSoft.

    lucky GW2 is arenanet then... NCSoft is just a publisher, like EA to bioware, all the development comes down to arenanet, who clearly know how to make a game considering how well GW1 i was done.. (my opinion obviously)

  • mbrodiembrodie Member RarePosts: 1,504

    Originally posted by stevebmbsqd

    Originally posted by biggarfoot


    Originally posted by stevebmbsqd


    Originally posted by biggarfoot


    Originally posted by stevebmbsqd


    Originally posted by Loke666


    Originally posted by stevebmbsqd

    TSW>GW2&TERA

    I kinda doubt it. TSW do have the potential of getting a higher playerbase than earlier FunCom games and I like the idea of a Cthulhu styled modern world MMO. TERA and TSW is going straight up against eachothers and anything can happen there.

    GW2 on the other hand have a lot more experienced team than the other 2, a hype level that is beyond any MMO since ever and the fact that it is fantsy is also a huge thing, MMO players seems to prefer fantasy.

    I can imagine both TERA and TSW having impressing 500K active players but I also think GW2 will have 2 million or so (active that is, number of accounts will be more than the original GWs 3,5 million seperate accounts).

    I salute all 3 of those games for trying to do something different from the standard model MMO but I still don´t see TSW or Tera competing against GW2, I don´t even see both of them together having more active players than GW2.

    GW2 will be up against Wow, TOR, Titan, Copernicus, Class 4 and possible WoDO. 

    TSW will be up against Rift, TERA, EQ Next, PS2, LOTRO and similar games. Successful games but not the ones that are truly huge.

    I have no doubt that GW2 will have the largest player base. It is B2P after all. I think community wise, TSW will be much better though. Every kid under the sun will be playing as they don't need a mommy or daddy's credit card number. I agree with one of the posters above me that GW2 is probably a little too over hyped. I have more of a wait and see attitude with GW2. I see the potential for numerous things that sound great on paper or play great on a limited playthrough but might not stand the test of months of playtime. I'll for sure buy it at launch and give it a play through though. I am also not a huge fan of anything NCSoft.

     

    Okay, I'm seeing this in every post and its bugging the hell out of me, NCSoft isnt working on GW2 its Arenanet, Arenanet is a subsidory of NCSoft, but Arenanet holds all the cards on the GW2 title, please check out the Arenanet website and read up on this company.  Sorry but its one of them niggles that has been eating at me.

    They are OWNED by NCSoft. They are not a seperate entity. I work for a company that is owned by a major defense corporation. Sure, they allow us to develop stuff on our own, but the ultimate financial decisions lie with them and everything we do is reported to them. I know as much as many of you would like to believe that they are only making games for the world's entertainment, they are doing it to make a profit.

    Because your companies budget is controlled by another company then Anet budget is controlled by NCSoft? like I said go do some reading mr know it all.

     Their budget is owned by NCSoft. They OWN Arenanet. What part don't you understand. Their profits are NCSoft profits. On ArenaNet's website...  "ArenaNet is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Korea-based NCsoft Corporation". A subsidiary is a company that is either partially or completely owned and wholly controlled by another company that owns at least half of the subsidiary's stock. In ArenaNet's case, the company is wholly owned.

    you're crazy if you think NCSoft would impede any design or game decisions... arenanet might be owned and controlled by NCSoft but i gaurantee you just like with guildwars 1, arenanet is building the game they want to make.. not what NCsoft wants them to make.. or else we would be seeing Aion 2... NCSoft recognizes the following that GW1 has and would give arenanet full developmental and financial control over their game, otherwise you would have seen another rushed launch not a "when it's done" attitude

  • PivotelitePivotelite Member UncommonPosts: 2,145

    Originally posted by omidus

    I don't realy care? What game doesn't have bugs? As far as music, sound and graphics is meh to you doesn't mean it's meh to other people. But hey being biased is the way to go.

     I'm not basing this on my opinion, the graphics of these two games whether to your taste or not, makes it easy to see which ones are more detailed and well done.

     

    The music can be preference but seriously, SW:TOR is lacking a lot of complex music or sufficient ambient sounds, maybe you like few noises better but it still lacks in the department regardless.

     

    I'm not being biased, i'm not being blind, these things are true, SW:TOR wins in voice acting and that's about it. Want me to post animations, screenshots, videos of sounds when exploring areas to compare? It wouldn't look good. I don't care about your tastes or mine but be realistic here if you think the graphics in SW:TOR are comparable with TERA you're clearly the one whos being biased.

     

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  • ComafComaf Member UncommonPosts: 1,150

    Originally posted by Lobotomist

    I have been waiting for GW2 for years. Nothing else touches it.

    Nothing released this year or close. ( SWTOR )

    But I played TERA and I can see a competitor.

    No wonder NC soft are trying to sue Bluehole and stop Tera.

     Youtube Taugrim's look at Tera.  The lag issues are ridiculous.  The hit box around various characters really fudge up pvp.  Oh, did I mention the memory leaks?

     

    Take a look.  Taugrim is a long time player with tons of feedback as he plays through the various mmorpg releases.  GW 2, though it's more an E-Sport as opposed to an in depth politically driven mmorpg like Dark Age of Camelot, will undoubtedly do very well.  Most video games with a decent amount of creativity will always do well.

     

    Personally?  I'm waiting for an mmorpg for grown ups who read George R.R. Martin, did well at the university level, and believe it's okay to have a more complex mmorpg, such as having enemies to fight that are actually different than I am (lol).

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  • teakboisteakbois Member Posts: 2,154

    This notion that TERA will be a huge success is laughable.  Eastern games just dont do well in the west, and its not like TERA is a knockout game.  The artstyle alone will turn plenty of people away, as well the prejudices about the 'asian grinder', true or not.  Also the fact that its the same old themepark set up that people just had with Rift and WoW will hurt it.

     

    200k subs by the end of the year, tops.

  • mbrodiembrodie Member RarePosts: 1,504

    Originally posted by Shadowdawnz

    Originally posted by Xasapis

    Really, you can argue that the story of Tera is boring and that the game is a generic quest based MMO, but the polish and responsiveness of the game engine is miles ahead of SW:TOR.

    I agree

    what are you talking about... SWTOR shipped for launch with a broken client > server communication of global cooldown tracking and bugged combat both that were acknowledged and "fixes were in the works"

     

    sorry if i'm wrong, but i kinda consider combat and the game client to be kinda fundamentals of the MMORPG any of these being broken is unpolished like.. not even close to polished

  • DannyGloverDannyGlover Member Posts: 1,277


    Originally posted by Xasapis
    Welcome to what genre exactly?
    Got to love the condensating tone in that post.

    I'm sorry about that. I didn't mean to sound condescending in my post. Things get lost in translation sometimes, especially in a touchy subject.

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  • BilboDogginsBilboDoggins Member Posts: 198

    Not a chance in Hell.

     

    I have said it before and I'll say it again the vast majority of gamers in the West and Europe do NOT want to play a game with heavy manga animu influence and artstyle.

     

    I know this is a hard thing for some of you to accept but its just the facts. The average gamer wont even consider TERA because its Animu.

  • teakboisteakbois Member Posts: 2,154

     




    Originally posted by Xasapis

    Welcome to what genre exactly?

    Got to love the condensating tone in that post.




     

    His post was turning from gas to liquid?

  • mbrodiembrodie Member RarePosts: 1,504

    Originally posted by teakbois

     




    Originally posted by Xasapis

    Welcome to what genre exactly?

    Got to love the condensating tone in that post.





     

    His post was turning from gas to liquid?

    i rofled for a second.... i think he meant condescending

  • grimm6thgrimm6th Member Posts: 973

    Sometimes I feel that people who haven't played anything but quest driven MMOs without really solid stories (SWTOR doesn't count because it is essentially kotor 3 + generic MMO) REALLY don't know what GW2 is going to be like.

    I used to TL;DR, but then I took a bullet point to the footnote.

  • omidusomidus Member UncommonPosts: 99

    Originally posted by Pivotelite

    Originally posted by omidus

    I don't realy care? What game doesn't have bugs? As far as music, sound and graphics is meh to you doesn't mean it's meh to other people. But hey being biased is the way to go.

     I'm not basing this on my opinion, the graphics of these two games whether to your taste or not, makes it easy to see which ones are more detailed and well done.

     

    The music can be preference but seriously, SW:TOR is lacking a lot of complex music or sufficient ambient sounds, maybe you like few noises better but it still lacks in the department regardless.

     

    I'm not being biased, i'm not being blind, these things are true, SW:TOR wins in voice acting and that's about it. Want me to post animations, screenshots, videos of sounds when exploring areas to compare? It wouldn't look good. I don't care about your tastes or mine but be realistic here if you think the graphics in SW:TOR are comparable with TERA you're clearly the one whos being biased.

     

     

    You do understand there's a clear difference between art style right? I mean correct me if I'm wrong, if SWTOR has the same art style as TERA, then what would SWTOR be called? Oh gosh that's a hard question. See the graphics are comparable, but simply drawn differently; but I guess you wouldn't know what artistic style given the nature of your reply.

    So since you don't know what artistic difference or artistic style is, you saying TERA is sports better visual would make you the biased person here.

  • Sector13Sector13 Member UncommonPosts: 784

    Originally posted by BilboDoggins

    Not a chance in Hell.

     

    I have said it before and I'll say it again the vast majority of gamers in the West and Europe do NOT want to play a game with heavy manga animu influence and artstyle.

     

    I know this is a hard thing for some of you to accept but its just the facts. The average gamer wont even consider TERA because its Animu.

    Don't agree with your usage of "vast majority of gamers" and "the average gamer" since the vast majority of gamers aren't even PC gamers and a chunck of PC gamers only play browser based social games. Not to mention that FF13-2 became the top selling game when it came out in the UK kinda shows that "the average gamer" will buy "animu". Try not to push personal bias into facts that aren't true, while the eastern art style will be a hinderance, it wont be the main factor.

  • omidusomidus Member UncommonPosts: 99

    Originally posted by teakbois

    This notion that TERA will be a huge success is laughable.  Eastern games just dont do well in the west, and its not like TERA is a knockout game.  The artstyle alone will turn plenty of people away, as well the prejudices about the 'asian grinder', true or not.  Also the fact that its the same old themepark set up that people just had with Rift and WoW will hurt it.

     

    200k subs by the end of the year, tops.

     

    Added on top of the fact taht TERA isn't even a finished game! Their next update in korea is a complete class revamp for one of the "tanking" class and adding a reputation system into the game (components of the game that should have already been done) oh and a whole 2 new dungeon; only after a year of it's release.

    TERA is not only not a knockout game, its an unfinished game; just like any other korea based MMO it has no clear direction of where it wants to go.

    Korean devs are just incapable of changing their ways and see the bigger picture; they have to be different. If the quest system formula was such a tried and true system; TERA would probably sport a different one altogether.

  • MaephistoMaephisto Member Posts: 632

    I think you are correct to a point.....at some point however, the money will rule all decisions.   Anet is engaging in and trying to realize the next step in the evolution of mmo's.  That could mean unpredictable development times and missed timelines.  I hold confidence that Anet is hesitant to release an unfinished game.   However, Anet pays thier employees through the monies given them by NC Soft.  NC Soft controls things in the end.

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  • Sector13Sector13 Member UncommonPosts: 784

    Originally posted by omidus

    Originally posted by Pivotelite


    Originally posted by omidus

    I don't realy care? What game doesn't have bugs? As far as music, sound and graphics is meh to you doesn't mean it's meh to other people. But hey being biased is the way to go.

     I'm not basing this on my opinion, the graphics of these two games whether to your taste or not, makes it easy to see which ones are more detailed and well done.

     

    The music can be preference but seriously, SW:TOR is lacking a lot of complex music or sufficient ambient sounds, maybe you like few noises better but it still lacks in the department regardless.

     

    I'm not being biased, i'm not being blind, these things are true, SW:TOR wins in voice acting and that's about it. Want me to post animations, screenshots, videos of sounds when exploring areas to compare? It wouldn't look good. I don't care about your tastes or mine but be realistic here if you think the graphics in SW:TOR are comparable with TERA you're clearly the one whos being biased.

     

     

    You do understand there's a clear difference between art style right? I mean correct me if I'm wrong, if SWTOR has the same art style as TERA, then what would SWTOR be called? Oh gosh that's a hard question. See the graphics are comparable, but simply drawn differently; but I guess you wouldn't know what artistic style given the nature of your reply.

    So since you don't know what artistic difference or artistic style is, you saying TERA is sports better visual would make you the biased person here.

    SWTORs graphics and textures are terrible. It has nothing to do with artistic style or difference, it's just bad. TERA isn't the best in class either but it's graphics are by far more appealing and have greater detail. There is nothing biased about that. You may prefer cartoony over anime style but when the cartoon style of one game is bad and the anime style of another is good then  one obviously wins on graphics whether there your preference or not. 

  • DeathofsageDeathofsage Member UncommonPosts: 1,102

    Originally posted by omidus

    Originally posted by teakbois

     

     Added on top of the fact taht TERA isn't even a finished game! Their next update in korea is a complete class revamp for one of the "tanking" class and adding a reputation system into the game (components of the game that should have already been done) oh and a whole 2 new dungeon; only after a year of it's release.

    TERA is not only not a knockout game, its an unfinished game; just like any other korea based MMO it has no clear direction of where it wants to go.

    Korean devs are just incapable of changing their ways and see the bigger picture; they have to be different. If the quest system formula was such a tried and true system; TERA would probably sport a different one altogether.

    OMG IT DOESN'T HAVE A REPUTATION SYSTEM...

    Just because game doesn't have certain features doesn't make it complete or incomplete. I also can't name many games that present a clear picture on where they want to go. WoW certainly doesn't. They're saying the same things for MoP that they said for Cata and Wrath. A shining example is how they built wrath up to something easy and then introduced Cata with the stated goal of wanting it to be hard again, only to crush on the skill players thought they had.

    My favorite MMO, FFXI, certainly didn't. They kept adding stupid features to the game that held players like a fad and then faded and players went back to playing the normal style of the game.

    It is so much easier to just copy WoW and just call it a game. Every stride in a different direction that you take is an adjustment to the fundamentals of the game that you need to take. I can see several "issues" with TERA but it earns points for fun play and different play. Going into this game being comfortable with WoW, RIFT, etc will do as much harm to your playstyle as it will help.

    My favorite part of AION, though I only played the trial, was the gliding rather than mounts (The flying, ironically, was terrible), but jumping in the air and gliding along a path was quite fun.

    The differences are what make it worth $50 rather than periodically checking the site to see if its P2W yet.

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  • mbrodiembrodie Member RarePosts: 1,504

    Originally posted by omidus

    Originally posted by teakbois

    This notion that TERA will be a huge success is laughable.  Eastern games just dont do well in the west, and its not like TERA is a knockout game.  The artstyle alone will turn plenty of people away, as well the prejudices about the 'asian grinder', true or not.  Also the fact that its the same old themepark set up that people just had with Rift and WoW will hurt it.

     

    200k subs by the end of the year, tops.

     

    Added on top of the fact taht TERA isn't even a finished game! Their next update in korea is a complete class revamp for one of the "tanking" class and adding a reputation system into the game (components of the game that should have already been done) oh and a whole 2 new dungeon; only after a year of it's release.

    TERA is not only not a knockout game, its an unfinished game; just like any other korea based MMO it has no clear direction of where it wants to go.

    Korean devs are just incapable of changing their ways and see the bigger picture; they have to be different. If the quest system formula was such a tried and true system; TERA would probably sport a different one altogether.

    are bioware korean?

  • PivotelitePivotelite Member UncommonPosts: 2,145

    Originally posted by omidus

     

    You do understand there's a clear difference between art style right? I mean correct me if I'm wrong, if SWTOR has the same art style as TERA, then what would SWTOR be called? Oh gosh that's a hard question. See the graphics are comparable, but simply drawn differently; but I guess you wouldn't know what artistic style given the nature of your reply.

    So since you don't know what artistic difference or artistic style is, you saying TERA is sports better visual would make you the biased person here.

     I understand artstyle, but it doesn't mean TERAs are not more technically/artistically impressive, even so SW:TORs honestly, just look and feel lazily done.

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcvFBzbOsUU Seriously? It doesn't even look like sand. That monsters textures are awful, same with the sand.

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVb5JmybKvY Put this to 1080p, you can't even justify it's just SW:TORs artstyle, the difference in texture and artistic quality is immense. Look theres even dust blowing around, why not dust in SW:TOR, it's a desert. SW:TORs graphics are just lazy.

     

     

     

     

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