Just post some things you think are going to happen in the MMO world this year. -Guild Wars 2 will be popular for a month, then forgotten about - The Secret World will be exactly like Age of Conan -SWTOR will retain 500,000+ subs -Dominus will take over as the de facto PvP game from GW2 - Mortal Online will finally die
While i would love for GW 2 to be the next thing, it doesnt have enough persistent content to count, but still it can turn into a nice game to play for a while. I belive they will develop a steady database just like with GW 1.
SWTOR - will go free to play eventually, and under 500k subs, probably 100-300k, untill it drops dead. Nothing can save that game, the core is broken.
Secret World - not sure , i am intrigued, but knowing Funcom, they can frack up big time.
TERA - will attact a decent database, even if it has the worse quest system out there, but nice combat, and decent high end content. but managed by Frogster, a free to play publisher....which can run the game to the ground.
ArcheAge - maybe it gets a publisher for EU and US, one of the few promisin games we wait, ignoring the combat..
Dominus - sorry i dont see any persitent pvp there. No castle sieges, player own territory, etc, thats not PVP, thats just the usual shooty, shooty with no purpose, and the art direction yay, another colerfull crap like WOW and Swtor, exactly what we need.
Titan : Hello Kitty Online - will be announced by Blizzfail, as the new casul mmorpg 2.0, where you will only need a button and lots of cash to play it. It will sell like pancakes.
2013 - genre dies, mmo vets play only single players, oh wait, we already there...
Just post some things you think are going to happen in the MMO world this year. -Guild Wars 2 will be popular for a month, then forgotten about - The Secret World will be exactly like Age of Conan -SWTOR will retain 500,000+ subs -Dominus will take over as the de facto PvP game from GW2 - Mortal Online will finally die
While i would love for GW 2 to be the next thing, it doesnt have enough persistent content to count, but still it can turn into a nice game to play for a while. I belive they will develop a steady database just like with GW 1.
Not sure what you mean... this'll be the most persistent MMO world to date aside from a sandbox like Eve online. Changes in the world stick, they're not reset or respawned in a few moments like the current MMO paradigm.
Just post some things you think are going to happen in the MMO world this year. -Guild Wars 2 will be popular for a month, then forgotten about - The Secret World will be exactly like Age of Conan -SWTOR will retain 500,000+ subs -Dominus will take over as the de facto PvP game from GW2 - Mortal Online will finally die
While i would love for GW 2 to be the next thing, it doesnt have enough persistent content to count, but still it can turn into a nice game to play for a while. I belive they will develop a steady database just like with GW 1.
Not sure what you mean... this'll be the most persistent MMO world to date aside from a sandbox like Eve online. Changes in the world stick, they're not reset or respawned in a few moments like the current MMO paradigm.
My on topic prediction is that GW2 starts a little slowly but takes the world by storm for reasons I outlined in this thread.
BG:How big is Guild Wars 2 compared to the last one?
CJ: From a sheer content perspective, volume of game space and stuff you can do, the first Guild Wars with all the expansion packs is about the same size as Guild Wars 2 will be on release – it’s massive. When the first one came out, before any of the expansions, there were 60 designers working on it, we now have 270 who are 100 per cent focused on building Guild Wars 2.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it."-Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
According to this site, there are 44 games coming out in 2012. (Another century and The Temple of Syrinx is a focal point!) Lots of genres, from Historical to Fantasy to Sci-Fi to Modern Day to Horror. Lots of business models, too, from F2P to P2P to B2P to P2W. There are Sandboxes and Themeparks and Hybrids. So much to choose from!
I think that developers have finally caught on that NOT everything has to be "WoW based" to be successful. I think that World of Warcraft will continue to decline as these new games open up new avenues of fun for players. I think that companies will see portions of WoW's millions as being successful, possibly 100K to 250K subscribers.
I am looking forward to this year's upcoming offerings. We will see what sticks and what doesn't, though.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Predictions are like bung-holes: Everyone's got one and they all stink. So, on that note, here's my toot!
1. Tera - Flash-in-the-pan like Aion. People will love it for the first month, then forget about it in 2. In the end it'll be just another Korean F2P grindfest only a handful of masochists enjoy. Future news coverage will tell tales of Dev wars between the Tera US crew vs. the Allods crew, with no one coming out a winner.
2. SWTOR - Will probably level out with 150k-200k active subs, consisting of players continually drinking the coolaid Bioware serves up with each producer's letter. Servers will be merged, massive layoffs will happen at the Austin studio, much anger will be directed at EA for alledgedly "rushing Bioware," and most MMO grognards will forever refer to SWTOR as "the wow clone wearing a Star Wars dress" while proclaiming SWG to be the greatest MMO ever conceived, and far better than SWTOR, even post NGE. And somehow it will be SOE's fault that SWTOR missed it's mark, because everything that's bad in MMOs can be traced back to SOE, m-i-rite?! Oh yes, I went there.
3. TSW - Everyone (MMO folks looking for a "change of pace") will hop onto the TSW crazy train and proclaim what a bitchin' game it is. That is until they emerge from the lengthy tutorial and discover there really is no innovative game at all post tutorial. Tales of woe and prayers of catastrophe to envelope FunCom will ensue. The term "FailCom" will make its triumphant return and some high level executive producer will jump on the proverbial grenade, taking full blame from an unfinished product.
4. Warhammer 40k - THQ will have a press release stating that the release date has been pushed to 2015. The dev crew at Vigil moves into a large storage unit and force fed protein wafers made of dead old people.
5. The Secret World - CCP announces they are still working on this project, that the team is really excited about it, and all is well. And have you played EVE yet? New ships now come with varying sized genitalia!
6. EVE - CCP announces their new battle ships come with varying sized genitalia.
7. Neverwinter - Cryptic announces they are foregoing any internal development and just selling the dev tools to players, "allowing" players to completly design and implement the entire game. They will charge $15/month for players to have an actual interface in which to "create fun" with, while free players will have to guess where stuff goes.
8. WoW - Blizzard announces their next expansion, "ChuChu's Rising!" Blizzard redoes all the character art so that all humanoid NPCs and player character have big eyes and little mouths. All female characters are required to wear little school girl outfits, and everyone can be a bunny-person with a knockout body. Collector's Editions will allow players to have male characters that look alarmingly femanine. All attack sounds are replaced wil little girl screeches.
So let it be written, so let it be done.
I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.
Just post some things you think are going to happen in the MMO world this year. -Guild Wars 2 will be popular for a month, then forgotten about - The Secret World will be exactly like Age of Conan -SWTOR will retain 500,000+ subs -Dominus will take over as the de facto PvP game from GW2 - Mortal Online will finally die
Since Dominus is using the same HeroEngine that SWTOR is using, I'll say that Dominus will not take over as de factor pvp game from anyone. HeroEngine has got to be one of the worst engines to be released in the last ten years.
I would agree if i had not taken part in an early Alpha test of the then unnamed Prime,and guess what even in early Alpha the engine blew SWTOR out of the water,Even the devs from The Repopulation have stated that Bioware only used certain tools and not Hero to it's full potential,there are over 100 dev companies working on Mo's and standard games with the engine !!
Ouch, so what does that say about Bioware? I do like the guys who are Dominus, I'd been watching their videos when I go over and remember. They seem like nice guys. If they can make HeroEngine work a lot better then Bioware, then I'll give it a try.
The Dominus people have said the exact same thing about SWTOR as The Repopulation team. They said Bioware took the Hero Engine and tweaked it so much it barely resembles the Vanilla Hero Engine.
One of the reasons I'm really looking forward to beta testing Dominus is to see just how much of a difference there is between the two. If Dominus is technically sound it is going to make Bioware look really really incompetant.
The problem was they took a buggy, unfinished, undocumented completely unproven version of the engine years ago. The codeheads that managed to get anything out of the door deserve qudos. The guy that made the decision (no longer at BW) deserves to never again work on a software project of any sort . (imho)
Torchlight 2 will launch to critical acclaim. Most will agree that is is 'better' than Diablo III yet the latter will be the smash hit,
Cryptic will produce a 'MMORPG' in a little over 12 months start to finish.
Lord Brittish & Brad McQuaid decide to collaborate on a game. Due to 'artistic differences' Brittish leaves for mars and McQuaid adopts his jolly green ranger persona and lives out the rest of his life in Norrath.
While the US Dollar drops well below par against the euro Blizzard start to trade the Diablo buck on imternational exchanges where it fast becomes one of the strongest currencies.
WoW will continue to decline in subs. I assume pandaria is going to flop similar to cata.
Tera might do well with 200-300k subs till the end of the year.
D3 will probably do extremely well initially, but numbers will dwindle in the later months (I don't know about you guys, but item farming and grinding in hell mode was not my thing, although Blizzard carebears seem to worship every hidden grind tactic Blizzard throws at them).
Titan, I doubt will even be announced.
ArcheAge could possibiy become a huge hit in Asia, and become the next new thing for majority of sandbox fans, then grab a publisher in the west. However, I don't see it being released until 2013.
SWTOR depending on that next new update, will retain 1mil subs, or decline to 300k.
GW2 will obviously have over 2-3 mil subs due to its one purchase/transaction method, but we'll have to see if the numbers go down or up depending on how the contents they implement appeal to the gamers.
Other contenders in the MMO industry...I don't know. Honestly they all seem like they still follow the same WoW formula that led to disasters.
TSW, I just don't trust, whether or not it's getting the hype it deserves. I have no faith in the same guys that made AOC a total piece of garbage.
GRIND sucks? You wanna be max level in a month? Since when did society award easy-goers and lazy-fools? MAKES ME PHOBIC OF STUPIDITY!
Torchlight 2 will launch to critical acclaim. Most will agree that is is 'better' than Diablo III yet the latter will be the smash hit,
Cryptic will produce a 'MMORPG' in a little over 12 months start to finish.
Lord Brittish & Brad McQuaid decide to collaborate on a game. Due to 'artistic differences' Brittish leaves for mars and McQuaid adopts his jolly green ranger persona and lives out the rest of his life in Norrath.
While the US Dollar drops well below par against the euro Blizzard start to trade the Diablo buck on imternational exchanges where it fast becomes one of the strongest currencies.
geting too silly I better stop there.
Wait, Mars? I thought the next stop for that bum Garriott was the Moon.
GRIND sucks? You wanna be max level in a month? Since when did society award easy-goers and lazy-fools? MAKES ME PHOBIC OF STUPIDITY!
. Intimidated by Rift the CEO of Blizzard throws himself out of a hightower and in mourning they shut down WoW. Also Ghostcrawler is put on trial by an international court for being such a terrible dev and sentenced to death by stoning.
Lol, intimidated by Rift? Seriously?
Rift is like a little mouse biting in a shoe, while Blizzard is the shoe's owner who notices the mouse and stomps it dead on the ground and smears the dead body all over a nearby wall.
Torchlight 2 will launch to critical acclaim. Most will agree that is is 'better' than Diablo III yet the latter will be the smash hit,
Cryptic will produce a 'MMORPG' in a little over 12 months start to finish.
Lord Brittish & Brad McQuaid decide to collaborate on a game. Due to 'artistic differences' Brittish leaves for mars and McQuaid adopts his jolly green ranger persona and lives out the rest of his life in Norrath.
While the US Dollar drops well below par against the euro Blizzard start to trade the Diablo buck on imternational exchanges where it fast becomes one of the strongest currencies.
geting too silly I better stop there.
The sillier the better . . .
The Korean government inacts a new form of corporal punishment on youths who spend too much time gaming. They are locked inside a room and forced to play Hello Kitty Online. Korea's suicide rate skyrockets!
A small Asian gaming company sets a new record for cash shop sales. Oddly they only have one item for sale in their shop. Character breast implants.
Sony impliments Merc raid forces into EQ1. To help abolish any social interaction that may be left in the game.
Tera: 150k-200k subs Rift: 300k subs SWTOR: 500k subs WoW: 8 million subs TSW: 200k subs GW2: 400k active players
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
I predict that MMORPG.com will still be a winner as posters continue to bash games that do not give them what they want and talk about how in the old days they had to use a pump to operate the toaster they played Meridian 59 on
Do I win the prize for most accurate prediction yet?
I predict that MMORPG.com will still be a winner as posters continue to bash games that do not give them what they want and talk about how in the old days they had to use a pump to operate the toaster they played Meridian 59 on
Do I win the prize for most accurate prediction yet?
That was epic.
I believe that in 2012 I shall get serious work done and thus in 2015 TTs will be a smash hit blowing WoW out of the water. Then I will get shot in 2016 by raging baptists in an anti Atheist crusade that began due to the constant progression of secular rights.
More WoW clones get developed, released, and fail hard.
WoW continues to lose subs at a steady rate.
Current WoW clones continue to lose subs at a steady rate, some getting closed down outright.
Good sized chunk of WoW and WoW-clone players give up on MMOs entirely for several years and dive into different game types.
Eve Online is linked to Dust 514 and works without any major issues (I really, really bloody hope) and continues to keep the Eve world the most advanced in human history, as well as making Dust the first FPS MMO with long-term tactical aspects instead of mindless rounds. The two games together win Game of the Year by a landslide.
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While i would love for GW 2 to be the next thing, it doesnt have enough persistent content to count, but still it can turn into a nice game to play for a while. I belive they will develop a steady database just like with GW 1.
SWTOR - will go free to play eventually, and under 500k subs, probably 100-300k, untill it drops dead. Nothing can save that game, the core is broken.
Secret World - not sure , i am intrigued, but knowing Funcom, they can frack up big time.
TERA - will attact a decent database, even if it has the worse quest system out there, but nice combat, and decent high end content. but managed by Frogster, a free to play publisher....which can run the game to the ground.
ArcheAge - maybe it gets a publisher for EU and US, one of the few promisin games we wait, ignoring the combat..
Dominus - sorry i dont see any persitent pvp there. No castle sieges, player own territory, etc, thats not PVP, thats just the usual shooty, shooty with no purpose, and the art direction yay, another colerfull crap like WOW and Swtor, exactly what we need.
Titan : Hello Kitty Online - will be announced by Blizzfail, as the new casul mmorpg 2.0, where you will only need a button and lots of cash to play it. It will sell like pancakes.
2013 - genre dies, mmo vets play only single players, oh wait, we already there...
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Not sure what you mean... this'll be the most persistent MMO world to date aside from a sandbox like Eve online. Changes in the world stick, they're not reset or respawned in a few moments like the current MMO paradigm.
Oderint, dum metuant.
My on topic prediction is that GW2 starts a little slowly but takes the world by storm for reasons I outlined in this thread.
Also, this is what we know about the size of GW2.
From http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/2011/09/27/guild-wars-2-developer-interview/3
BG: How big is Guild Wars 2 compared to the last one?
CJ: From a sheer content perspective, volume of game space and stuff you can do, the first Guild Wars with all the expansion packs is about the same size as Guild Wars 2 will be on release – it’s massive. When the first one came out, before any of the expansions, there were 60 designers working on it, we now have 270 who are 100 per cent focused on building Guild Wars 2.
Also this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wCYu_IfGME&feature=player_detailpage#t=759s
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." -Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
According to this site, there are 44 games coming out in 2012. (Another century and The Temple of Syrinx is a focal point!) Lots of genres, from Historical to Fantasy to Sci-Fi to Modern Day to Horror. Lots of business models, too, from F2P to P2P to B2P to P2W. There are Sandboxes and Themeparks and Hybrids. So much to choose from!
I think that developers have finally caught on that NOT everything has to be "WoW based" to be successful. I think that World of Warcraft will continue to decline as these new games open up new avenues of fun for players. I think that companies will see portions of WoW's millions as being successful, possibly 100K to 250K subscribers.
I am looking forward to this year's upcoming offerings. We will see what sticks and what doesn't, though.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Predictions are like bung-holes: Everyone's got one and they all stink. So, on that note, here's my toot!
1. Tera - Flash-in-the-pan like Aion. People will love it for the first month, then forget about it in 2. In the end it'll be just another Korean F2P grindfest only a handful of masochists enjoy. Future news coverage will tell tales of Dev wars between the Tera US crew vs. the Allods crew, with no one coming out a winner.
2. SWTOR - Will probably level out with 150k-200k active subs, consisting of players continually drinking the coolaid Bioware serves up with each producer's letter. Servers will be merged, massive layoffs will happen at the Austin studio, much anger will be directed at EA for alledgedly "rushing Bioware," and most MMO grognards will forever refer to SWTOR as "the wow clone wearing a Star Wars dress" while proclaiming SWG to be the greatest MMO ever conceived, and far better than SWTOR, even post NGE. And somehow it will be SOE's fault that SWTOR missed it's mark, because everything that's bad in MMOs can be traced back to SOE, m-i-rite?! Oh yes, I went there.
3. TSW - Everyone (MMO folks looking for a "change of pace") will hop onto the TSW crazy train and proclaim what a bitchin' game it is. That is until they emerge from the lengthy tutorial and discover there really is no innovative game at all post tutorial. Tales of woe and prayers of catastrophe to envelope FunCom will ensue. The term "FailCom" will make its triumphant return and some high level executive producer will jump on the proverbial grenade, taking full blame from an unfinished product.
4. Warhammer 40k - THQ will have a press release stating that the release date has been pushed to 2015. The dev crew at Vigil moves into a large storage unit and force fed protein wafers made of dead old people.
5. The Secret World - CCP announces they are still working on this project, that the team is really excited about it, and all is well. And have you played EVE yet? New ships now come with varying sized genitalia!
6. EVE - CCP announces their new battle ships come with varying sized genitalia.
7. Neverwinter - Cryptic announces they are foregoing any internal development and just selling the dev tools to players, "allowing" players to completly design and implement the entire game. They will charge $15/month for players to have an actual interface in which to "create fun" with, while free players will have to guess where stuff goes.
8. WoW - Blizzard announces their next expansion, "ChuChu's Rising!" Blizzard redoes all the character art so that all humanoid NPCs and player character have big eyes and little mouths. All female characters are required to wear little school girl outfits, and everyone can be a bunny-person with a knockout body. Collector's Editions will allow players to have male characters that look alarmingly femanine. All attack sounds are replaced wil little girl screeches.
So let it be written, so let it be done.
I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.
I predict the Jets finally make it to the Superbowl, and the Middle East becomes the most peacefull place on Earth.
Wait, what are we talking about?
Taru-Gallante-Blood elf-Elysean-Kelari-Crime Fighting-Imperial Agent
The problem was they took a buggy, unfinished, undocumented completely unproven version of the engine years ago. The codeheads that managed to get anything out of the door deserve qudos. The guy that made the decision (no longer at BW) deserves to never again work on a software project of any sort . (imho)
Torchlight 2 will launch to critical acclaim. Most will agree that is is 'better' than Diablo III yet the latter will be the smash hit,
Cryptic will produce a 'MMORPG' in a little over 12 months start to finish.
Lord Brittish & Brad McQuaid decide to collaborate on a game. Due to 'artistic differences' Brittish leaves for mars and McQuaid adopts his jolly green ranger persona and lives out the rest of his life in Norrath.
While the US Dollar drops well below par against the euro Blizzard start to trade the Diablo buck on imternational exchanges where it fast becomes one of the strongest currencies.
geting too silly I better stop there.
GW2 will sell 9million units worldwide. SWtor reduces servers to 1, Blizzard reveals the dancer class for WoW.
WoW will continue to decline in subs. I assume pandaria is going to flop similar to cata.
Tera might do well with 200-300k subs till the end of the year.
D3 will probably do extremely well initially, but numbers will dwindle in the later months (I don't know about you guys, but item farming and grinding in hell mode was not my thing, although Blizzard carebears seem to worship every hidden grind tactic Blizzard throws at them).
Titan, I doubt will even be announced.
ArcheAge could possibiy become a huge hit in Asia, and become the next new thing for majority of sandbox fans, then grab a publisher in the west. However, I don't see it being released until 2013.
SWTOR depending on that next new update, will retain 1mil subs, or decline to 300k.
GW2 will obviously have over 2-3 mil subs due to its one purchase/transaction method, but we'll have to see if the numbers go down or up depending on how the contents they implement appeal to the gamers.
Other contenders in the MMO industry...I don't know. Honestly they all seem like they still follow the same WoW formula that led to disasters.
TSW, I just don't trust, whether or not it's getting the hype it deserves. I have no faith in the same guys that made AOC a total piece of garbage.
GRIND sucks? You wanna be max level in a month?
Since when did society award easy-goers and lazy-fools?
MAKES ME PHOBIC OF STUPIDITY!
Wait, Mars? I thought the next stop for that bum Garriott was the Moon.
GRIND sucks? You wanna be max level in a month?
Since when did society award easy-goers and lazy-fools?
MAKES ME PHOBIC OF STUPIDITY!
Lol, intimidated by Rift? Seriously?
Rift is like a little mouse biting in a shoe, while Blizzard is the shoe's owner who notices the mouse and stomps it dead on the ground and smears the dead body all over a nearby wall.
The sillier the better . . .
The Korean government inacts a new form of corporal punishment on youths who spend too much time gaming. They are locked inside a room and forced to play Hello Kitty Online. Korea's suicide rate skyrockets!
A small Asian gaming company sets a new record for cash shop sales. Oddly they only have one item for sale in their shop. Character breast implants.
Sony impliments Merc raid forces into EQ1. To help abolish any social interaction that may be left in the game.
Tera: 150k-200k subs
Rift: 300k subs
SWTOR: 500k subs
WoW: 8 million subs
TSW: 200k subs
GW2: 400k active players
I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to ease his lot by all possible means - except by getting off his back.
I predict that MMORPG.com will still be a winner as posters continue to bash games that do not give them what they want and talk about how in the old days they had to use a pump to operate the toaster they played Meridian 59 on
Do I win the prize for most accurate prediction yet?
That was epic.
I believe that in 2012 I shall get serious work done and thus in 2015 TTs will be a smash hit blowing WoW out of the water. Then I will get shot in 2016 by raging baptists in an anti Atheist crusade that began due to the constant progression of secular rights.
More WoW clones get developed, released, and fail hard.
WoW continues to lose subs at a steady rate.
Current WoW clones continue to lose subs at a steady rate, some getting closed down outright.
Good sized chunk of WoW and WoW-clone players give up on MMOs entirely for several years and dive into different game types.
Eve Online is linked to Dust 514 and works without any major issues (I really, really bloody hope) and continues to keep the Eve world the most advanced in human history, as well as making Dust the first FPS MMO with long-term tactical aspects instead of mindless rounds. The two games together win Game of the Year by a landslide.
Where's the any key?